why the fuck are they so expensive?I drive a 325i e91 (218hp inline 6 manual rwd) with M3 front arms and its honestly fun to trash around cornersa cayman from the same year costs like 8 times as muchsure its faster, but 8 times faster, 8 times more fun to drive?I dont get it, sure they are sports cars, but whats with the premium? the baby porcshes are insanely pricedits insane to see a 911 on the road and its actually 2-3 times more expensive than an S-classand to think porsche needs their SUVs to stay afloat...
While the build quality is undeniably excellent and the car is just brilliant its overpriced simply because of price gouging.
>>28862265Yes, it's that good.
>>28862265Faggots who can't afford a Ferrari buy them to show off.That is all there is to it.
>>28862271>>28862272It's a Volkswagen.
>>28862265Because they can charge that much and still sell cars.
>>28862265The crazy thing is they're all McDonald's strutted so pretty much built like a kia. I think Arabian motherfuckers use these cars as bait to get white women to fuck them.
>>28862265Ever since coof especially it seems like they've been trying to raise Porsches into exotic status. Barely a decade ago you could grab a 996 for under $10k, especially a tip Cabrio. Air cooled 911s were still no more than $25-50k on average. A regular 996 coupe would've been around $15k. Those prices have since doubled if not more, for no reason other than the meme status of the brand.>sure its faster, but 8 times faster, 8 times more fun to drive?Compare any 335i, especially with a shitty off the shelf tune, and it'd probably blow the doors off of the Cayman. "But muh twisties!", the Porschephile might claim, but again, is it worth paying multiple times what a faster car might cost just so you can claim to be faster around a corner? The dude that pulls up in a clapped old Miata can claim the same thing.I don't know, I just don't get how something like a 2007-08 Cayman S can cost ~$30k used while having a 0-60 time of 5.1 seconds. A Mustang GT of the same year matches that. A Subaru WRX is even faster. Hell, a BMW 135i of the same era is faster than that stock, no tune shit needed, and you can grab one around $10k, less sometimes. I'm sure it's fun, but is the "feel" of the mid engine really worth paying 3-4x as much to have a car that'll be slower in 95% of regular driving? Sovl isn't an excuse either, since that only works when you're driving an actual classic, plus I'm comparing with cars of the same vintage.
>>28862265I'm happy paying extra knowing that spics and faggots like you won't be driving the same car as me. It's meant to filter poorfags like you.
>>28862378Bro you drive a v6 lol on McDonald's, it doesn't get any poorer than that
>>28862384>v6
>>28862306you are talking out of ass. Porsche is for connoisseurs who want an exceptionally reliable and fun to drive premium car. Ferrari is for people who ultimately buy a Porsche as a daily driver because the Ferrari is in the shop most of the time
>>28862389what did you get the quadruple turbo 2.0 or some shit lmoa, the fuck out of here. its automatic btw.
>>28862378Any ghetto is littered with Porsche trucks, they outnumber Range Rovers nowadays.
>>28862397buying a clapped porsche suv or some v6 sports car is probably the quickest ticket out of inceldom for a lot of these men. cant even blame them.
>>28862394It's not reliable, nor is it premium, it's a volkswagen. No Ferrari owner would be caught dead in a Volkswagen.
>>28862402all of my Porsches are as reliable as it gets. I have 5
>>28862378Your Cayman is NARP (Not A Real Porsche) and impresses no one.
>>28862401Niggers aren't incels, man, they fuck like rabbits. My black friend drives a 93 Fleetwood, it's pretty boss, I'd say it gets more attention than the German shitwagons. Insanely under powered, though, the first year got the 307 Olds.
>>28862404Nice junkyard.I can tell you are a serious collector just by how you park those broken down shitboxes in the mud. Real sports cars don't need floors.
>>28862415cope
>>28862416should have never sold the lotus
>>28862405Boxsters are fagmobile of the highest order, BUT, to give credit where it's due, that is the smoothest 4 cylinder I have ever driven. I hit the limiter like 10 times in one drive.
>>28862416Lol.Seethe.
>>28862418Lots OfTrouble UsuallySerious
>>28862418What's funny is that whoever bought that cobbled together piece of shit also wishes it was never for sale.
>>28862422A 7 race car is probably fun, as a street car they have always been a joke, Esprits are free for a reason, and they had their own motor, the new ones are Toyota powered, because Toyotas are known for their sports car soul.
>>28862271the build qualitty is terrible, even the most expensive 911 rattles and creaks like crazy new, let alone used one. all their cars have terrible build quality, nvh and reliability
>>28862265>a cayman from the same year costs like 8 times as much>325i: 2k>base cayman: 8kwhat country?
>>28862448now compare pristine ones instead of the most clapped ones you can find
>>28862452ok it's kind of high mileage but it's the 3.4 S and i'd hardly call it clapped
>>28862448I think he's saying the BMW would be $8,000 sorted and the Boxster would be $64,000, which seems right.
>>28862454Caymans cost 64k to fix? God you BMW retards can't even hyperbole properly
>>28862454$64,000 for a boxster? really?
>>28862453Oh, it is. That car is leaking everywhere.German cars are a fucking horror when the motor is in the front, this 15 second turd is going to be on a whole different level. These cars cost less than a Corrola for a reason.
>>28862456The price of pussy is at an all time high right now
>>28862265It's always the BMW drivers kek
>>28862459it's not you're just coping
>>28862455>>28862456Yes.For you, /o/ posters, it won't be because you can fix it. If a teenaged girl brings that car to the dealer how much would it be to straighten out an $8,000 Porsche?
i thought this was a case of euro cars being much more expensive in america for no reason but it seems you can get a clean cayman s in the states for around 12k usd so the prices are pretty similar, in what 3rd world shithole does a cayman cost 8 times as much as an e91 325i
>>28862463Buy it, then, seems like the internet is full of money making opportunities for a man of your ability.100% sorted you can sell that sexy little thing to a sexy little thing for $20,000. No young lady wants to drive a Camry.Keep me posted.
>>28862354You do not compare a Cayman or 911 to a Mustang or a WRX. They are not in the same league of driver engagement. WRX is just a cheap econobox and Mustang is Americrap. My preference is for the 330i ZHP or the Z3 since I prefer low-end torque to revving the shit out of the engine, but I can't deny that the 911/Cayman/Boxster are fucking tight and fun to drive. There's a tier of excellence that's worthy of love and that changes the desirability.>>28862404A man of esteemed taste.
>>28862475>for $20,000i can't because it's only worth about £8,000, are you retarded?
>>28862473E91 actually bring a premium here, there is a weird wagon subculture, and they almost always have anime avatars.They are generally pretty knowledgeable, honestly.
>>28862479pretty sure nu-mustang has bones also it has a v8 so yea you really cant compare them to rental spec euro trash
>>28862481Oh, no, that is not correct. That car just needs your loving touch.Good luck my brother, glad I could turn you on to this untouched market!! Maybe some day you will look out for me.
>>28862487what am i going to do? ship a right hand drive example to america? i ask again, are you retarded?
>>28862487also
>>28862453>bore scoring
>>28862492are all americans terrified by the notion that you can own a relatively fun car for not much money? is it like a cultural thing or?
Funny how a car with struts drives better than a shitbox with wishbones
>>28862265>>28862271>Prices!!The price is what the market will bearYou just cant afford it
>>28862453>>28862488You said that was a nice car, you said it was not leaking everywhere.You are a fucking clown, you would be lucky to get air in a tire.>>28862492You are talking to someone who has never driven a car outside of a video game. He knows Porsches in and out, though. Porsche owners are known to be hands on.
>>28862494>no compression>funFuck off, retard.
>>2886250116 cars in at this point and most of them were on the lower end of the market, you'd have the same reaction towards every single one and yet they were all pretty much finewhatever past experience or trauma is causing all this anxiety towards old cars for you is not my problem wanna see the 4.2 v8 jag i bought for £3800 2 years ago?
>>28862495They can, absolutely.
>>28862504i dont get how people pretend to be car enthusiasts when they're scared to own cars
>>28862509>anxiety towards old carsI posted my car above, it's 39 years old.It is not, however, a disposable piece of shit like that Indian built Ford you are posting.I'm going out, without a fake rich car, you fellows take care, I do love you.
>>28862514You are pretending.You can't bore that motor, it is dead. Nice, huh?
>>28862421what this? >>28862421LMFAO
>>28862494Bore scoring isn’t inexpensive to fix
>>28862495>Funny how a car with struts drives better than a shitbox with wishbonesThings that never happened delusional wrenchlet kek, who told you this?
>>28862495Ignorance
>>28862265Multiple Porsche owner here, and I'll agree they've really gotten ridiculous in pricing. Conveniently this also acts as a nice filter so you're not seeing a bunch of brownoids driving around in the same car and giving the brand a bad reputation a la Chally Wally and they dont call bmw the "Brown Man's Wheels" for nothing. If I was in your position as a young lad today and looking for a sporty ride while being strapped for cash I'd either keep driving the e91 shitbox I have or get something cheap and fun like a miata, a mustang gt, c8 (or earlier vette). Then if you save your money, make some good decisions, get a little bit lucky and maybe once youre ready to step up to a porsche or something you'll be in a better financial position to do so. Don't live your life in a world of seethe but dont break the bank trying to look like youre wealthy when youre not. It's fairly simple if you dont let your ego get in the way and just enjoy your car(s) but I know thats not the zeitgeist here so carry on.
I don't understand this larp of >porsche is for white pride. I was at a cars n coffee in long beach the other day and majority of the 911 owners were tech jeets in patagonia vests. Same thing at tons of other events. Nobody actually thinks this way in the real world or in real places. It's purely an image in the brain of terminally online larpers>>28863009post one along with hand.
>>28862265equivalent of swiss watches. push,luxurious, overpriced. nothing new ,move along/thread
>>28863046Honda owners lmao STFU
>>28863104im not a honda owner and im not saying i wouldnt buy a porsche tho. overpriced? yes. but they have excellent precision engineering no other sport daily offers.
I see no need to pay more new for anything than BMW.new M BMW cars are actually quite reasonably priced considering their monstrous performance and reliability. I would find it very hard to justify buying a new 911 over a new M5 on price difference alone and not being a super porsche fanboy
>>28863110>excellent precision engineering >Maccas on all 4Yea
>>28863113new m5 looks ugly tho.
>>28863117its an acquired taste for sure. I think the crazy direction they took all the new G generation M cars in is quite cool actually. BMW mogs porsche so hard in value for the money, all the tech jeets and porsche fanboys try to push the 911 into the supercar category when it doesn't deserve that at all.
>>28863118i dont think potential m5 owners cross-shop with porsche. maybe 3series/cayman or maccan/x5, but 911 and m5?
>>28863119why wouldn't they? I cross shopped a lot of different stuff before ending up with a fully loaded M2
>>28863104At least you can buy a Honda with double bones on all four corners that doesn't cost as much as a house
>>28863123You’d have a gay ass Honda though.
>>28863026LMAO this nigga in california lookin around going 'i dont see any white people around here'. Yeah no shit bro. xD>>28863026 can larp on my dick.
>>28863110lmao overpriced vw with macdonalds
>>28862389Yes, a 180 degree v6
>>28863651>fastest road legal car with best in class steering feedback >as reliable as a Toyota >overpriced
>>28863790Bro it's a McDonald's strutted plastic engined auto only v6 RENTAL with GAY as FUCK EPS
>>28863120>>28863119i didn't even consider a porsche when looking for my M5. i looked at E63s and a ZL1. i think 911s are more of like what a miata driver would get if he was successful in life. also for example i don't think many M5 owners are cyclists while i think all 911 owners are.
>>28863845Based and UDMpilled
>>28863803>buzzwords sounds like cope and lies as per usual
>>28863845Your dad bought the M5
No one is cross shopping a 911 with a boat that weighs 2000lbs more.
>>28862265Because people keep fucking paying for itMe personally I can't fathom dropping 200k for a 6-cylinder unless it's a GT-R
>>28863696underrated
>>28862494We already have one, it's called a Corvette that mogs Porsches all day.
>>28864219The Panamera exists becuase they were losing 911 customers to bmw
>>28864272retard
>>28864855It’s true dumbass. Most people don’t want a 2 door car the second they have kids
>>28862265People who buy Porsche SUVs ought to shampoo my sack.
>>28864272The avg panny buyer makes 800k. A 5 series is not a competitor to it.
>>28867395lol what a joke. if 29 owners made 135k and one made 20m the average would be 800k. guarantee you the typical new M5 owner is within 10% of the typical new panamera owner.
>>28867411Delusional. Here's median income for the entry level Porsche.
>>28867471so we're talking household income? if you have access to comparable stats then post them for the panamera and M5.
>>28867395You can buy a Panamera for cheaper than you can buy an M5 for. Both new and used.
I love my V6 Porsche Cayman S Pikachu-Mcdonald's Edition with the NARP Package!
>>28869308Should have just got a 350z wtf are you doing lmao
>>28862265They used to be a lot cheaper but then they started appealing to sheikhs sometime after 2010
Because there’s no substitute.
>>28869308Don't turn left too hard and keep an eye on those bores bro
>>28869318>Should have just got a 350zSir that's a Puerto Rican flag on the mirror, not a Mexican flag.
>>28869775racial jokes aside fuck driving a rental, that is a car with mcdonalds struts, automatic trans, and a plastic engine.
>>28869827Post car.
>>28869839you dont get to drive lease bait and then command people post their shit kek. dumbass fucking ricer, good luck with the sale.
>>28869841My car would sell perfectly fine kek
>>28869844yea take that shit back to carmax lmao
>>28869827I can assure you, she's not auto and she's not a rental. This thing was cheaper than an STI, and she's a whole hell of a lot of car for the price.Save the snobbery for the 911 guys who only drive to country cafes and dialysis clinics.
>>28869910Shit's got maccas on all fours and a plastic engine, it's built to lease
>>28869914>>28869914based knower>>28869910just sell it dude wtf are you doing lol
>>28869914>>28869920MacChadson struts are good, as they offer much better performance than double wishboneshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Delta_HF>Suspension (front) MacPherson struts>Suspension (rear) MacPherson struts
>>28869910I like Caymans though. Congrats anon
>>28869932>my rinky dink little 1.2 liter diesel hatchback from 100 years ago!!!dumbass wrenchlet
911 or bust. miss me with NARP garbage
>>28869966the greatest rallying car EVER used MacChadson strutsMacChadson rape you daily, brown son.>>28869969>911another MacCHADson utilising chariot of the Aryan godsMacChadson struts keep raping you daily, brown son.Remember that
>>28869992fucking basedstrut gods win again and again and again
>/o/ is obsessed with reliability and durability>/o/ prefers double chudbone over maccassomething does not add up
>macfags' wifes' son struts
>>28862265krauts are not cheap to run.
>>28862440this is probably the first time i have ever heard anyone say that about a porsche.
>>28871214Guy is poor so it's sour grapes. Some 992 do have a rattle from the fuel tank. Mine does it only when it's colder out for some reason. There's threads on rennlist about it. Otherwise, build quality is great, nvh is shit but it's a sports car, 992 is almost 7 years old and there's no major issues so far.
>>28862384>>28862401>>28863696>>28863803they would be v6s if opposing pistons shared a crank pin. what makes an engine a boxer is that opposing pistons have crank pins that are 180 degrees out from each otherthis makes the engines have worse balance, uneven firing intervals, and more expensive to rebuild/maintain. on the upside they don't sound like vacuum cleaners
>>28871254Bro they sound like straight piped minivans tf are you talking about
>>28871254you're talking to wrenchlet, sour grapes poorfags like >>28871268probably sudacas/mexcrement larping as whiteswhat they need to remember is that Porsche rapes them on the daily, forever.Remember that, brown sons.
>>28869910Cute.
>>28862265I don't know where you're from but where I am from, they are not positioned as a premium ("you get what you pay for, pay more and get a good experience") but as a luxury ("you absolutely overpay but showing you can afford it is the point") brand. Cayenne is THE high-class escort/trophy wife car around these parts (Macan is the daughter or a slightly lower class escort).
