I can't imagine a car uglier uglier than TVR Cerbera Speed 12 but compared to this monster McLaren F1 is like a cute innocent Miata
Speed Twelve was slated to be a road car but "This car will kill people" was a TVR decision.
>>28867612Was it really like this? TVR isn't known for caring about safety particularly much.
>>28867615Yep. TVR was a bit devil may care but they considered the Speed Twelve a bit silly.
they should've gone for it. This could've been the Veyron of the 90s
>>28867673The sledgehammer was the Veyron of the 90s.
>>28867724daddy vette always wins, always.these captchas are getting outta hand tho
>>28867673Well, it wasn't, this was.
>>28867741Id still take the bugatti tbqh
>>28867758Enjoy being slow™, i guess
>>28867763Trashy sloppa
>>28867612That's TVR-speak for "We can't deliver what we promised."
>>28867765whatever helps you cope with being slower™, i suppose
>>28867741That's just how it is with turbo-hybrid vs naturally aspiratedA sad fate for true enthusiasts
>>28867724lol no, didn't they only make like 2 of them?>>28867750not even half as good as the Mclaren F1
>>28867741lmao which retard made up those vette numbers?
>>28867771Corvette produces twice the power per cylinder in comparrison to the tourbillon. superior.
>>28867608I find that some of the famous muscle cars fit into that ugly but cool category.
>>28867608>compared to this monster McLaren F1 is like a cute innocent MiataIronic considering the McLaren walked right by the Speed 12 in British GT. TVR are pieces of shit.
>>28867788Didn't they only make 1 Mclaren F1 that was capable of 240? cope harder.
>>28867763Speed is an absolutely meaningless metric in 2026. Find me another car with an n/a v16
>>28867792I think these are just the bullshit Roadster 2 numbers but with the C8 in its place.
>>28867803all of them were
>>28867856no they weren't.
>>28867857cope
>>28867858No need to cope when pushrods are faster. the mclaren F1 would've been faster with the big block chevy they were testing it with.
>>28867863>No need to cope when pushrods are faster.lol then why do none of the current fastest road cars use pushrods?
>>28867866are you retarded.
>>28867871doesn't use pushrods retard
>>28867871>https://www.encycarpedia.com/ssc/20-tuatara-coupekek
>>28867873is this nigger for real?
>>28867877Whoever wrote that shit must be a jeet and never actually bothered looking at the engine. compare this actual dual overhead cam engine to the SSC.
>>28867615The car was a complete piece of shit. Too much power, bad suspension and the powertrain ate itself. They had serious trouble keeping the one race car they built operational, to the point that they took parts off the prototype road car to keep the race car running. They simply could not afford to build any road cars that nobody would have bought anyways.
>>28867608
>>28867767>>28868398This but don't tell TVR enthusiasts that.Also don't mention the hilarious number of S1-3s with bodies that don't fit the frame right so the car looks like it's drifting down the road at 5 degrees off axis lmao.
>>28867608Marcos LM600 is sex https://youtu.be/mlZ762PrOA8?si=7XW7hZJyjk84XrMu
>>28868588This thing looks like a complete cartoon. it actually won some races, though. it even beat the Mclaren F1.
>>28867608>>28867612My brother owned a Cerbera at the time so he took me to the factory for a big event in early 2000. They had the purple road going mockup Speed 12 there and the general opinion of the TVR staff was that they’d built a great engine but the rest of the car really wasn’t up to it. Peter Wheeler did declare it overpowered and not suitable for road use but ultimately it was a flawed product. They had Martin Brundle test the road legal car at Croft before a Japanese prospective buyer (someone from the Gran Turismo development team, funnily enough) came to have a go in it and Brundle basically said the same as Wheeler. Undeterred, they sent it to Donington and had Tim Harvey and Damon Hill give it a run out. By now they had a Le Mans winner, an F1 World Drivers Champion and the BTCC champion tell them the same thing in addition to the company owner so they shitcanned the road car and focused on British GT, where it ran at a restricted 600WHP and didn’t really do much Like everything TVR there’s a lot of confusion about where, when, what, why and who but basically they’d abandoned the road car project a few years before I went down there but were still using it as advertising and as a flagship even though you couldn’t buy one. They’d have been far better off putting the money into Cerbera development, which was probably the best car they ever made
>>28867608Look up what Ssangyong makes, kid.
>>28867724Nah, they actually made 450 Veyrons, it wasn't a one off with no proven specs like the trashhammer
>>28867795Having fewer cylinders isn't a flex
>>28868676that only applies to cars with less than 8 cylinders.There's actually no reason for any vehicle to have more than 8 cylinders.
>>28868592It also sounds ridiculously good, even better in person. Not the LM600 but there's a whole Marcos Mantis race still ongoing in the Netherlands iirc so fairly successful to say they built them in a shed in rural England.Also adding the Marcos TSO to the threadhttps://youtu.be/iB7PwKviHpQ?si=HQu65DMAtncBpRJa>>28867673Didn't see this before but lol. The TVR/Marcos audience is just not the same as Veyron/Ferrari/Lamborghini/other big supercar name.They never had the brand recognition to pull it off which is ultimately what people buying these things are largely paying for. Noble had the same issue.One of the reasons Ginetta is still around is because they're not competing with these brands, they have their own little market which seems to work well enough for them.
>>28867800The winged B-body cars really weren't meant for the road. Too ahead of their time. It's a shame too because they look genuinely stunning as racecars. The proportions were a lot better.
>>28867871>>28867873>>28867877>We've come to expect speed records to be set by deep-pocketed global car companies like the VW Group's Bugatti brand, which has the budget to produce crazy complicated quad-turbo W-16 engines. So when the Washington state-based and independent SSC Tuatara managed to set an official two-way average speed record of 315.7 mph (!) running a small-block engine boasting half the cylinder and turbo count and a single (billet) camshaft, we were desperate to learn more about this record-setting engine. Who better to tell us all about it than its architect, Tom Nelson, of Nelson Racing Engines? - MotortrendHoly shitPushrod with flatplane crank is crazy
in a just world the ford torino king cobra would've actually launched this thing is fucking peak goofy kino I mean just look at it!
>>28869225It would've pushed designs into the future 20 years early and would've been a cult classic, 100%
>>28868603I CAN FIX HER
>>28867615They broke a 1000 hp rated engine dyno. Then they put the engine into a car anyway, tried it out and decided that they are mad but not THAT mad afterall.
It seems as though the F1's true legacy is making people born long after it ended production endlessly seethe that shed-built paper tigers and one-trick ponies never got a fraction of the F1's recognition and accolades.
>>28869993reminding you that the F1 needed to be a one off one-trick modified pony to even reach its top speed seems to make F1 fangirls seethe even more that their favorite boomer isn't all he's cracked up to be.
>>28870013Even if amy of what you said was ever true, the point still stands that nobody cares about your shitbox and you will not be the last person that will be foaming at the mouth about that.
>>28868528OP said ugly, not beautiful.
>>28870024you're so asshurt about the mclaren F1 needing to be modified to still be slower than pushrods that you can't even spell correctly.the fact that you can still get people to reply coping about the sledgehammer all these decades later shows that everyone still cares.
>>28867750neat
>>28870085Kek. Literally nobody cares about the Callaway. Nobody talks about it without mentioning the McLaren because nobody cares enough about to appreciate it for its own merits. Every conversation about it is ALWAYS made relative to the McLaren because if it doesn't it just becomes another hotrodded dime-a-dozen Corvette and that's the end of the conversation. The F1's legacy is that it will forever have this power over your type.
>>28870352Yeah its literally only one fatso on here that still remembers the callaway while the F1 is rightfully legendary
>>28870410every time you make a thread about the sledgehammer, a volley of ass blasted europeans and their elk come out of the woodwork to cope like>>28870352if no one remembered the sledgehammer, people wouldn't have their cope recitals at the ready.
>>28870418Found the one seething fatso
>>28867608Superior (it wasn't a piece of shit that constantly broke and actually reached production). Oh, and it also had a better power to weight ratio than the Mclaren F1 and made more downforce so it's probably faster around any track. I can't be bothered to look that up though.
>>28871200this was the only production track car that could beat the viper ACR until the 918. it's amazing that even with a superior mid engine layout, more downforce, and a whopping 800 lbs less weight, it was still only half a second faster than the viper at the ring.
>>28870418>every time you make a thread about the sledgehammer, a volley of ass blasted europeans and their elk come out of the woodworkFake news. Every Sledgehammer thread gas always ends up one of two ways:>OP mentions his misconceptions about the McLaren in the OP or one of his own replies and then gets assmad when corrected.OR>Nobody mentions the McLaren or OP gets ignored when he does and the thread gets pruned with barely any replies.Regardless of which direction the thread takes, the conclusion remains the same: The car community doesn't care about the Sledgehammer and it only ever gets a chance to discussed when the McLaren has already gotten name dropped. Just facts.
1975 Jensen RoadsterIf this image sucks I will get another one. Saw this on an Ebay auction and had no idea it existed a good attempt but butt ugly imhoSold for 8000 for the record.
>>28871270That is surprising, what tires were the viper and apollo on, respectively, during those laps? And were the drivers of equivalent skill?
>>28871395Good job replying to a day old post trying control the narrative about how totally not asshurt you are about your favorite boomer getting his one off prototype special dunked on. sledgehammer threads never get ignored precisely because if you mention it in any way even without saying anything, someone like you will always be there to preemptively cope about how fast it went or it being a "one off" without a hint of irony.I know you're wrong because i can just check the archives.
>$400,000 in 1988 for GM build qualitylollmao even
