What is the final solution to the McPherson struts problem? Could the government truly incentivize manufacturers to wholly discontinue cheap ass struts and add double wishies to even the cheapest poorbox?
>>28868905>toyota still sells trailing arms Toyota fags are an embarrassment
shifter karts have zero suspension n handle better than both of those.less suspension = better handling
>>28868905Man i hate looking at mcdonalds struts so much, just screams poverty, rental, cheap, bean counters have been here, jewish influence etc.
>>28868940uhhhh which jews have influenced the design of my gookmobile?
>>28868905>What is the final solution to the McPherson struts problem?What is bus rider's obsessions with McPhersons?
>>28868951shut the hell up wrenchlet, you drive a rental
>>28868905unironically just restart the factories that make the old boatsCrown Vic and AU Falconlive rear axle and double-wishes up front, dead reliable, and any feature these cars don't have that new cars do is automatically gay and retarded. Still cheap enough to be family cars. the AUs even had optional LSD.
>>28868954>t. bus rider
>>28868960um why can't we have double wishies up front with IRS multi link rear suspensionthe front suspension imho is way worse than the rear
>>28868960its wild that even the cheapest mass produced shitboxes used to have bones as a standard, you have to drop 250,000+ to get a boned car in 2026
>>28868963the front suspension is worse? I don't get what you mean by that, the front on every Vics/Falcons is double-wishbonesanyway, you can. the AUs had IRS options. I've only driven one with a solid axle, and I like the solid axle (extremely easy to control a drift with) but I know a lot of people don't. IDK if the Vics had IRS options.
>>28868980the front suspension seems to crash harder over bumps, less rebound, more spooky handling, but could just be cuz its a front driver (AWD) carI know they re-jiggered the front suspension on my car in the model years since I bought it, so they know it is a problem my understanding is solid axle blows for most situations except towing, racing in a straight line, and rough roadsand they only used a solid axle on those cars to save money, not for suspension performance
>>28868985Crown Vic suspension?I haven't driven it, also didn't know there were AWD/FWD versions. I drive a Falcon (every one is rwd) which I thought was basically the same concept, since Ford Australia considered just importing the crown vic instead of designing the au falcon.as in, they're made to do the same goal, but the designs are actually pretty different on details, e.g. vics body on frame vs. falcons unibodytowing was pretty important because australia didn't have pickup truggs, we used utes which are literally the front half of a sedan with a bed on the back, and they're expected to tow. the falcon tows 5,000 lbs, that's probably why they went with a solid axle. the mustang had solid axles up to 2015 I think? Can't be that bad.I haven't driven IRS cars enough but I like the handling on the solid axle. very predictable.
>>28868905>What is the final solution to the McPherson struts problem?Having proper wishbones on all four and allowing normies to buy maccas because it makes you better in comparison.
>>28868905You're not a good enough driver to notice the difference in suspension geometry, fag
>>28868996>because it makes you better in comparisonYou actually believe that, don't you?>>28869262This, x10.
>>28868951They dont understand camber (or suspension geometry in general).These dipwads drive fwd shitboxes with torque steer and think its "normal".Just imagine a high school classroom full of autoshop101 students- thats who posts these threads.
>>28869301I have an AWD/FWD shitbox and the AWD basically eliminates torque steer, not as if there's enough torque to really feel it anyways
>>28868905>double swiss bonez
>>28869669maybe they just need an enticing marketing campaign to sell the public on the virtue of upgrading vehiclesprobably would be safer too
>>28869767Orly? What are the amazing benefits that the average driver would feel and want? And how are you going to sell them on the inferior suspension packaging?
>>28869262>>28869271but lets say I am, what then?
>>28870621I don't deal in unlikely theoreticals. Besides, you're not.
>>28870627BUT what if I am?
>>28868905OP sounds like a communist.
>>28870636You're not. If you were, you'd post s learned piece of the effect McPherson geometry has on bump steer, or some lap times you've done around challenging circuit in cars, similar in layout, but with the two suspension types, such as a 911 GTS and a 911 GT3.You posted a frog.
>>28868905My suspension is never close enough to the limit in a corner that my McPherson struts get to the part of their stroke where I lose camber, so it literally doesn't matter.It is adjusted properly with aftermarket camber plates, sprung properly, with good quality struts/shocks and handles better than your shitbox.If I ever decide I really need it, I can simply do a complete conversion of the front suspension to a Griggs or similar SLA. I have not felt like it would be a meaningful improvement for the driving I do. Same as the IRS rear conversion - I actually like the live rear axle and even serious racing guys like the dudes at MM acknowledge IRS has tradeoffs, it's not all good.
>>28870765There are classes that allow IRS swaps on Fox Body mustangs. The wins are about 50/50 for IRS to Solid Axle. Some tracks are better suited for one or the other. There is no clearly defined winner.
>>28869530>I have an AWD/FWD shitboxStopped reading right there, good luck with the sale.
>>28868944Nigga we have 4 cylinders because of a fuel crisis because we supported jews in 1973
>>28868964>even theThey didn't. Double wish was never a mass market standard on cheap cars.>>28869530>not as if there's enough180ftlb is enough to make noticeable torque steer on a fwd. 250+ like any decent engine is the range where you need to fight it and use brakes through turns for grip balance.I'll make a guess you have a shitter PTU system that caps at 50/50 and an engine that peaks at ~260 or less. god forbid its a subaru and not a ford or chrysler like I'm guessing.But anon, McPherson has fuckall to do with torque steer. So you're just blabbering on nonsensically.>>28868905HiPerStrut, RevoKnuckle, or the dual ball joint/a-arm design like a Camaro.Or you could do the ultracramped packaging of a porsche.Many ways to minimize the inherent limitations of a McPherson
>>28870636If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike
>>28871016>Double wish was never a mass market standard on cheap carsIt was if the manufacturer was being based, Honda Civics, Accords, Hyundai Sonatas, Ford FiveHundreds, those E class based chrysler 300s and chargerchallies.It can be done, the bada ba ba ba strut suspension is literally cost cutting incarnate.
>>28868995>didn't have pickup truggsWe did until about the 00s, they just weren't as popular.
ay so yall know about suspension? what's this dune buggy lookin ass setup? can it handle the DONKs? what's it called? I need the suspension for big wheels man
>>28871016>But anon, McPherson has fuckall to do with torque steer. So you're just blabbering on nonsensically.my point was more about the AWD system (on my FWD-based cuckover) totally negating torque steer. I've had FWD cars that DID have torque steer and it's a very different sensation. the "your clutch pack isn't real AWD" screechers don't realize what an improvement AWD is, of course at the expense of extra fuel and having to maintain the diff and components and fluids. I have noticed what could be strut shittiness on steep dirt roads in hairpin turns where there's no stability and it's very bouncy and insecure, esp uphill.
>>28871119What part of torque steer has nothing to do with the usspension did you and >>28869301 not understand.torque steer is from the driveshafts being unequal length.it wouldnt matter if a car had F1 suspension or a perfect magnaride or 20tw super tires.suspension does nothing to change torque steer.>totally negating torque steeragain physically impossible you're just feeling less of it from the F/R power split>strut shittinessyour car is used and worn out duhkind of hilarious to see retards >>28869301 post about busriders when they don't even understand the basics of the topic
>>28871137>suspension does nothing to change torque steer.that's not what the reviews of the civic type r say
The real reason McPherson struts are the most widely used is because double wishbones go to absolute shit as the bushings wear. Total slop city, and become actually unsafe.Companies aren't going to accept the liability of a suspension that becomes a hazard if the owner doesn't get the bushings all replaced every 30-50k miles.Mccys can run on totally shot bushings and feel like shit without being an actual safety hazard.
>>28871209that makes sense, but then, what's a better alternative?my dad doesn't believe in replacing suspension components, he just thinks cars get "more comfortable" over time
>>28869301>>28870765>part of their stroke where I lose camber, so it literally doesn't matter.Shut the hell up wrenchlet, the flaw of mcqueersons is no camber gain or loss at all lol. How do you feel now?
>>28871209>as the bushings wear.Just say you're a poor wrenchlet kek. How the fuck do you get filtered by bushing wear kek
>>28871118Cantilever suspension , mainly used to gain more travel when the car is too lowered to allow that level of travel with the standard setup Seems like it's a meme most of the time though for people who just want cool looking rear suspension
>>28871417Normies do. It's one of the least likely repairs they'll ever approve a mechanic to do
>>28871417it's a safety thing from the manufacturer too. same reason why cars are set up from the factory to understeer rather than oversteer.
>>28871542I don't think I've had oversteer even once from my Kia. Not that I push it at all, but it is VERY safely tuned. It really fucking hates turning at speed, I wonder if a suspension change would alter that at all.
>>28871415>the flaw of mcqueersons is no camber gain or loss at all lol.orly> MacPherson struts will slightly gain negative camber under roll at first (which is good), but as the roll angle increases they will actually lose negative camber, (not good). It is really important to limit roll on strut equipped cars for this reason.How do YOU feel now?
>>28871565fatter rear sway bar will do that
>>28871644You'd be lucky to get a .5 you faggot wrenchlet
>>28871660>no camber gain or loss at allSo you admit you were wrong and now we're just arguing the degree of incorrectness?
>>28871680Holy shit you are retarded, dumbass wrenchlet larp faggot. Fuck your rental take that shit back to car max kek
>>28871694I accept your apology
>>28870993Jfc it's literally impossible to not attribute every negative aspect of our lives to these fucking people.
>>28871712Apologize this dick, back to CarMax, fuck out of the fast lane. Wrenchlet.
>>28871789No, no it's fine. Your first apology is enough. No need to beat yourself up about posting an incorrect fact on /o/ - you can't help your lack of education as long as you commit to improve it
>>28871794Dumbass wrenchlet kek
>>28871797I know you are. But let it go, anon. You didn't know any better.
Having a job that pays 200/hr is better than wrenching on a shitbox
>>28871802>make 200/hr>Drive McDonald's strutsYea I think you're retarded or have low standards. >>28871800Dumbass wrenchlet
>>28868905>greatest car ever built>uses McPherson struts front and backI don't see the problem?
>>28871905Needs an upper control arm and a sway bar, then it's perfect.
>>28871917Also DOHC, it needs DOHC
>>28868964>you have to drop 250,000+ to get a boned car in 2026New Miatas start at $30k, bones on all 4. BRZs are about the same, bones in the rear.Lots of things are multilink which is somewhat like more complicated wishbones. Though I prefer wishbones, easier to keep aligned.
>>28871917>transmission eats itself after 100k miles
>>28871939The transmission failures of Hondas are way overblown, there's so many of them out there and of course the many shitheads who can't into doing a simple drain and fill every so often have got the most to say about how unreliable the automatic transmission of a Honda is.
>>28871942>The transmission failures of Hondas are way overblownI personally got fucked out of $3000 for the car plus another $1000 by a piece of shit attorney that was gonna "write a letter for $50".
>>28871944oops
