Seems like a pretty good value
Yes but the rube goldberg machine cultists will cry because you should be using Iranian oil.
>>28869525I think my biggest worry is how long the battery will last but I'm seeing many people ride these out 200k+ miles
>>28869580The fearmongering dates back to the old Leafs and other prehistoric EVs. Any modern EV battery lasts basically forever. Even after 10 years Teslas still avg about 87% battery capacity.
>>28869580The car will fail before the battery.
>>28869604How? Isn't the battery basically the whole car
>>28869611>Cooling system>Drive unit(s) - basically the transmission>Suspension components presumably wear.BEVs are some Rube Goldberg shit.
>>28869616still fewer moving parts in the entire car than there is in a single cylinder of a dohc fi engine
>>28869625>[[moving]] partsIs that some sort of own to you? Who gives a shit? EVs are complex and you clearly know that because you instinctively had a goalpost move ready.
>long range
>>28869507I'm not completely against EVs as a daily driver.But you have to be able to change one at home fully overnight.No extension cords to your garage.No parking spots that can be taken by neighbors during a party.Otherwise it's a bad choice.
>>28869507>lives in a place where you can drive RWD convertible sports cars on summer tires year round>wants an AWD eggshit EVJust buy a Toyota like every other spic in Kissimmee if you just want an NPC commuter, make it a hybrid if you're so concerned about muh MPG.
>>28869591>Even after 10 years Teslas still avg about 87% battery capacity.My car is 30 years old and still has 100% of its fuel capacity.
>>28869655>he has perfect compression on all cylinders>perfect injectors>perfect timing
>>28869651For private use, definitely.But there are EV taxis that are more or less exclusively charged fast.
>>28869655>My car is 30 years old and still has 100% of its fuel capacity.No it doesn't. It has lost a fuck ton of efficiency over the years and is most likely rusted to hell and beyond too.
>>28869507You want to look up what years Tesla did the major revisions and what you're getting. These cars have undergone a lot of changes just from one year to another. I believe from 2021-2022 was a pretty big jump. I also think the Model 3 is a better purchase with more efficient drive line and better range but that is if you don't need the trunk space of Y.
>>28869655Actually it's far worse. You lose efficiency, so you have to burn more fuel mile. i.e. It costs more money per mile.EVs just lose capacity, so even though both cars lose total range, EVs don't increase in cost per mile.
>>28869672You could probably do an engine rebuild, but then we're at the price of a battery overhaul.Nothing technical lasts forever.Many years ago a friend had an old VW beetle as his first car. The thing only had 35hp, but did less than 10mpg.
>>28869633>Is that some sort of own to you? Who gives a shit?You clearly give a shit.>>28869616>BEVs are some Rube Goldberg shit.What do you think "Rube Goldberg shit." means? Do you literally not even know what a rube goldberg machine is?
>>28869708I saw Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, yes. A rube goldberg machine does not necessarily imply that all steps are purely mechanical.
>>28869735>A rube goldberg machine does not necessarily imply that all steps are purely mechanical.Technically true. Also completely irrelevant.
>>28869655I bet you felt smart putting that . At the end of your sentance you little bitch
I would only get an EV if I also had a reliable regular car. The EV would be for like grocery runs and shit like that.
>>28869651>No extension cords to your garage.Who doesn't have at least one outlet in their garage? Shit I've seen people charge their tesla in municipal parking garages
>>28869507Is that good value? 25k for a 6 year old car?I guess the markets just bad all over
My boss has a 2019 model 3 and in Canadian winter it'll lose like 100km range in a 20km trip with the heater cranked. He's trying to replace it and they're scared of driving it far in winter, it's city-only.EVs in Canada just seen kind of dodgey in general. My landlord has a Nissan Leaf (newest gen) and says it uses 80% charge driving to the city an hour of highway in winter... That's brand new. What if he can't make it to the city in winter after so many years?
>>28869507If all you want is an NPC commuter then it'll do the job. If you want any joy in your life I'd suggest almost anything else
>>28870334Nah nobody's paying that kind of money for a clapped out ancient Tesla. OP's using Tesla's own rip off store.
>>28869507I'll be straight with you. Aside from other tips you've gotten, you should honestly get a used 2024 version of model 3 IF you don't need the space of model Y. The current gen of model 3 and Y are so far ahead in comfort, quality and driving compared to the 1st gens
>>28870468The Highland refresh right? I would opt for one of those just for the quiet cabin upgrade. That's a pretty nice thing to have when on the highway. Just be aware of the removal of the indicator stalk (brought back in 2026 models)
>279mil rangeYou'll fucking hate to death unless you don't get out the city with a car.Get something with at least 700km range with an around 500 km of real range at highway speeds.
>>28870559Do you really drive more than 300 miles a day often enough that using a supercharger would be that big of an inconvenience? Like yeah sure it sucks to have to spend 15 minutes charging it but if it's only a few times a year then who cares. Still less time per year spent than getting gas
>>28870570This.If you drive in an area where fast DC chargers are available, this is actually not an issue - at least if your car supports fast charging.You'd stop anyway at some point to take a piss or have a coffee or whatever, so you just select a rest area with a charger.
>>28870570It's more for when you're going on a trip, for inner city usage you'd barely use any battery, but you're in the US, there's barely any EV chargers there, you might find yourself stranded constantly if you're on a trip and can't find a charger around in hundreds of miles.
>>28870597It's not possible to get "stranded" unless you're trying to drive through the rural Northwest in the middle of winter which you're not doing in the first place. >As of early March 2026, there are over 3,000 Tesla Supercharger stations in the United States
>26k for a 5ton ipad
>>28870605>3000 superchargers in the USThat's not good, tho, there are over 1000 in Spain which is smaller than texas, plus thousands more from other brands of chargers.Hell, in my middle of nowhere town we had a free charger from the local town hall until it broke some months ago.
>>28870640I suppose you can go anywhere and have a supercharger available, and that's without other operators.People have been doing the cannonball run in EVs using superchargers since 2014....
>have supercharger attached to car at all times>dont have to drive to one>can refill tank from empty to full in a minute or soare EVs just for poorfags then
>>28870675And in the 1860s the US cavalry took all these gas stations from the injuns, who had been tending to them for the last 10 millennia.
>>28870640You're mixing stations and stalls. Spain has 1000 stalls but only 90 stations. The US has 3000 stations and almost 40000 stalls.
>>28870411> 2019 Model 3 without the heat pump required 2,170 watts to maintain the temperature. The new 2021 Model 3, on the other hand, needed only 735 watts.heatpump literally night and day difference in cold climate, also LFP batt do better in cold. And only tesla has heatpump.
>>28870705Bullshit.Almost every current EV (except the Dacia spring) has a heat pump either as standard or as an extra.
>>28870559>Get something with at least 700km rangeOnly the latest model of Model 3, CLA and maybe Ioniq 6 can do that. The upcoming BMW i3 will be able too. But other than that, your options are nonexistant. I go on 400km drives maybe once a year. I think the same applies to most people.
>>28870330You clearly misunderstood what is being said
>>28870784Fast charging is more important than battery size.When you drive 500km you usually stop at least once (at least it's a good idea to do it), so you can charge anyway.
>>28870787Yeah I don't understand the current arms race of maxing out charging speeds AND range. One of either will do just fine. If you have great range, you can make do with slower charging at the rare stops you will make. If you have fast charging, then range is not as important. The iX3 with its 800km WLTP range also has record fast charging. For me all that tech and costs are completely wasted in a car with 110 kWh battery.
>>28870799This.Also a 110kWh battery needs more than 10 hours on a standard home wall box, or 8 hours for a standard 80% charge.Range anxiety is mainly a thing for people who don't even drive an EV.
>>28870799>can only park where there is a chargeror>have to charge for 10 hours before any kind of tripvs.>just leave whenever for however long you want to drive lolevs will always be cucked until both are solved
>>28870720i stand corrected, i guess ford is last to the party
>>28870823>>have to charge for 10 hours before any kind of tripYou're not depleting a 110kWh battery every time you fetch the groceries son
>>28870823Do you really believe that gasoline magically appears at fuel stations?Both need infrastructure.Why would I care if I charge my car at night?Is the trip to the gas station really the highlight of owning a car?"Wow. 6 min and 45sec! That was so fast! I'm such a professional refueler!"
>>28870670That's what I thought when my cousin's rented a Tesla in Virginia.There's charging stations everywhere. They're all insanely expensive completely full or take 2 hours to get a full charge. That's if you can find a charging station with the right plug that is. The Eevee infrastructure is a fucking disaster outside of the West Coast citys
>>28870583>stop>plug in car>go piss>still have to wait 40 minutes
>>28870900Why?You don't charge to 100% in that case.With most cars you're actually faster if you only charge for 15 minutes air something.
>>28870905>anything more than a couple hours of highway driving means waiting on the cuck bench for half an hour with the other redditors
Should I get a used Model S instead? Hatchback trunk is more practical and the Model S also looks sleek and not like a gay fish.
>>28870900it's like you still live in 2015. a modern charger will charge 50% in 10-15 minutes. i'm infinitely fascinated by /o/'s ability to learn a piece of information once and keep a death grip on it for decades but being utterly incapable of learning any new information that supersedes it. mind is like a steel trap; nothing escapes but also nothing new can get in.
Had a Model 3 Performance as a company car. This was ideal for me as I was going to one of three places on a given day and all were within an hour of my houseThere really isn’t anything wrong with them if you do the sort of commuting and tasks that 90 percent of people do but if you do huge miles out of your own pocket for whatever reason then they’re not ideal, but neither is doing that sort of job
>>28870921>charging 80% at a 250W with 20 min of preconditioning took 1.5 hours at about 30° F.Nigga, time is valuable.I ain't got 90 minutes to blow.I can fill up a gas tank in 3 minutes and get 300mi or range in a car that's bad on gas.
>>28870929yeah, they make for an ok second car and should be treated as disposable beaters/appliances
>>28871057>>charging 80% at a 250W with 20 min of preconditioning took 1.5 hours at about 30° F. That's actually not normal.Fuel is getting expensive >Haha nigga, don't care, just don't be poor!Charging takes time>OMG time is money, I'm gonna get fired by Mr Shekelberg and become homeless!
>>28871057How often are you scheduling 300+ mile road trips in below freezing weather?
>>28869507>driving an EVDo you want people to think you're gay?
>>28871083Tesla claims 275 mi for a 2022 standard M3.-10% loss due to age=247mi range-15% for HVAC=210mi-15% above 60mph=175mi-50% because Tesla's range is complete bullshit=88miSo ya, not enough for a trip without blowing 3hrs to charge.>Gas pricesWhy you didn't get job gets cost of living races every 3 months. When gasoline prices go up I also get a raise that covers the increase.Sucks to not have negotiated your pay non union anon.Even if I didn't get inflation raises.When a +$1 gallon increase happens, it's a tiny $1 a day loss.So a 0.03% loss in daily wages
>>28871089Aside from old people who are at the diaper stage of their life, nobody cares if you're gay or thought of as gay.
>>28870784One of our contractors can do 700kms in his Silverado EV but you're doing that on "fumes" and that's in the summer on flat ground. If people live anywhere near the mountains they're likely doing 400km every weekend. Even if they're not doing long distance trips a lot of range is useful for more than just long trips. It's useful for not having to plug in and unplug your EV every time you want to use it. Most people do not want to do that as they have enough bullshit to plug in and charge as it is. I know you EV people think the world is some mythical utopia where everybody had a garage with a 200a sub panel but in the real world people won't be able to charger at home. Lines would be endless with the current 15 minute "fast charges" with a 100% EV adoption rate. Thus EV's would need a lot of real world range just like a gas car. >>28871087The ski/snowboard industry alone pulls in billions a year. Figure it out.
>>28871284Sure is a lot of you just not answering the question in this post
>>28869633This.EVs are more complicated than ICE and you still have all the legacy issues.Pic related.
>>28871303You must think Teslas need an oil change every 5000 miles
>>28869633>>28871303Rube goldberg machine cultists are trying so hard with their mental gymnastics.
>>28871481chatgpt could tell you sucking your own dick isn't gay and you'd happily do it thinking it wasn't gay
>>28871557That's just advanced masturbation. If that's gay so is jacking off.
>>28869507Tesla are a status symbol for people with very large IQ to wealth ratio. If you genuinely like those cars you are no doubt an insufferable hipster techbro.
>>28869662>>28869672>>28869678>.t retards with zero reading comprehensionfuel capacity =/= fuel efficiency The other anon said fuel CAPACITY and yes, after 30 years ANY CAR will have the same CAPACITY it always did. This board is full of illiterate, knuckle dragging troglodytes.
>>28870411The Chinese tested this with a wide array of EVs. Most loss more than 2/3 their range in standard driving conditions in -20C weather. I think Tesla's with the heat pumps made up most of the top 4 and a couple BYD models where they were in the 30-40% range in the cold. Still a huge hit. Imagine picking up your used EV with 80% capacity and then losing 70% of that in the winter. Doesn't make sense in Canada. I'm waiting for semi solid state batteries with >1000km EPA range before I jump in.
>>28869525>>28869580>>28869591samefag
>>28869699What is a "Battery Overhaul", not trolling google is just unhelpful. I thought with EVs you just replace the batteries. Assuming we replace the batteries, that's like a $10k job. Rebuilding an engine is maybe $2k, if you don't machine the block. I'm rebuilding a Porsche engine right now and even with a new block and the Porsche tax and buying chinesium rebuild tools the rebuild is $2.5k. If you were to go to a shop, they would just throw in a new engine, which is <$5k for most cars. Unless you're replacing the batteries on a citroen ami you're not gonna be close to engine rebuild/replace costs.Like EVs clear ICEs in cost to run, but rebuild costs are not really comparable.
>>28871986In most cases you don't replace the whole battery (though official workshops probably want to do this, just like they tend to sell you a new engine or transmission instead of fixing the old one). So if you change a couple of modules/cells, you're in the price range of an engine rebuild.
>>28871481>controlled explosionsGasoline burns, it does not explode. Wouldn't an AI know that?
>>28872106it explodes when it's at 1000 psi retard. the combustion stage is measured in milliseconds, that's how fast the gas """burns"""
>>28872116An EV is just as much of a rube goldberg machine. Maybe moreso, as they're comically complicated but you just see it as "computer thing." This is silly, your whole "meme" is silly.We do micron level microchips just so grandma can send a text.
>>28872125An EV is complex on a cellular level. An ICE vehicle is complex on a mechanical level. An EV is fairly simple on a mechanical level. ICE vehicles have more than a 100 years of R&D to perfect it whereas EV only has had a decade or two.
>>28872125>An EV is just as much of a rube goldberg machineyou keep saying that but you literally don't know what it means.
>>28872126What? That has nothing to do with this idiotic conversation.Also EVs predate ICE cars.
>>28872127You clearly don't as you assume it's purely mechanical. All it implies is complexity to perform a simple task. EVs are very complex and just spin wheels.
>>28872116This.Also: Gasoline burns, but a mixture of gasoline and oxygen (air) does explode - even at ambient pressure.There are workshops that blew up because someone ignored a puddle of gasoline and then something like a dropped tool caused a spark.
>>28872133>you assume it's purely mechanicalthat's literally what it is. have you ever seen one before? the entire premise is that the contraption uses as many possible moving parts to achieve and end result in the least efficient way possible. you don't have to agree with me, it's not my job to change your mind. all i'm saying is you're using the expression wrong and it makes you look like a moron.
>>28869507Why would you get a new tesla when used are much cheaper?
>>28872145I have but they are not purely mechanical.The term only implies using complex machinery to perform a simple task.
>>28872152>complex machineryyou're so close to having an epiphany. those poor little brain cells are working as hard as they can but it's just not quite hard enough.
