I want a vehicle that>is big like a truck>difficult to park like a truck>with shitty fuel economy like a truckbut without a bed.Who the fuck even buys these things?
>>28873426Actually, a full-sized SUV is infinitely more practical as a personal vehicle. Put the seats down, you can fit a ton of stuff. Usually has 3 rows of seats, great for a family. Tows like a truck.Honestly, most truck owners never use the bed anyway. So you may as well drop the LARP and get an SUV.
Kia Telluride.
>>28873426>Who the fuck even buys these things?people with large families.
>>28873430who are you people that constantly have a ton of shit to fit in their vehicle? what are you driving around with so often
>>28873441Tradesman. Tools. There's a whole stereotype.
>>28873431are a hairdresser with three mutt kids?
>>28873426>difficult to park like a truckThey have 15 fucking cameras and park themselves... Also large vehicles aren't automatically harder to park. Unless you have skill issues.>with shitty fuel economy like a truckThey get 25-30mpg highway just like a truck. How is that shitty and why would somebody with a $100k vehicle care about fuel economy?>>28873441Hockey gear, groceries, baby strollers, pets such as large dogs???
>>28873444>Tradesman. Tools. There's a whole stereotype.Why don't they get a work van? Infinitely more practical.
>>28873444Those people buy trucks, no tradesman is driving around in an expedition with the seats folded down
>>28873466Kia Carnival. Honestly the Carnival probably is roomier than the Telluride.
>>28873426SUVs aren't as big as you think they are. An Expedition is significantly smaller than a truck. And they still have just as much passenger space plus the ability to house a 3rd row. To really put things into perspective, an Expedition is closer in length to an Accord than an F150.16.3ft > 17.5ft > 19.3ft
>>28873502I wouldn't call them not that big just because they're the same size as a half ton which is a massive vehicle even by American standards. Even midsized SUV's like the Expedition and the Tahoe are big vehicles and their bigger siblings like the Expedition Max and the Suburban are modern land yachts. Any half ton or half ton sized SUV is going to make a Rolls Royce disappear when you park beside to put things into prespective.
>>28873426>Who the fuck even buys these things?It's mainly families. People who have 2 or more kids but also want a vehicle large enough to transport all of their luggage and/or additional passengers when necessary. Like, even if you just have 2 kids you take to school, maybe you carpool and routinely pick up 3 or 4 more. Can't really do that in any other kind of vehicle besides a minivan, and those are objectively gay plus they can't go off-road
>>28873516Almost no one buys LWB SUVs though.
>>28873533Bullshit they don't. I see a shitload of Suburbans, Yukon XL's and Escalade ESV's. They sell over 100k of them a year. They're a quintessential part of the yuppie mom starter pack.
>>28873430the Expedition I had in my early 20s couldn't fit nearly as much as the dodge caravan my family had when I was a teenager
>>28873516they're encroaching on the size of what you'd consider a huge full size van 40 years ago
>>28873476>They get 25-30mpg highway just like a truck???
>>28873430why not get a minivan?
>>28873502thats the short wheelbase, show it again with the long wheel base Expedition MAX.
>>28874190That's what people buy bro. If you want to play that game then I'll post the Expedition Max next to a cclb F250 instead.
My parents swear by their 2006 Sequoia. They still lament my sister wrecking it. They're a product of a different era when families actually went places together
>>28873426Is this some shitty engagement post?Awesome for hauling people Can sleep and fuck in the backCarry way longer stuff than a truckCarry way more inside than a truckTrue Chád have both
>>28874312>chads drive ugly fatbody minivans-in-all-but-name that make them look like fragile women who are scared of everyone else on the roadif you as a man drive an suv or new pickup basically everyone thinks you're gay. women, everyone who sees you behind the wheel of a navi or explorer thinks you're retarded and dangerous, unless you drive a subaru then you're retarded, dangerous, and gay.the only acceptable suvs for men are station wagons with awd or fullsize conversion vansthe only acceptable suvs for women are [null] drive a car.
>I need the front to be 3 feet tall and completely vertical so seven children could be sat in front of it and I wouldn't see them
no you DONT UNDERSTANDi NEED to sit 7 feet off the ground so i can feel safe driving on perfectly smooth asphalt to my 9-5 office job after taking my ONLY CHILD to his brand new public school you just NEVER KNOW when a TERRORIST ATTACK wil happen and we'll need to drive up the weekly graded and regravelled logging trails to the federal government owned campsite for a week util it all blows over WHEW good thing i prepared for such an eventuality by buying a 4 row aircraft carrier!!
>>28874088Because, Hitler, a minivan is just as expensive these days, and an Expedition/Escalade/Tahoe doesn't turn every pussy in a ten block radius into the Sahara.
>>28874322Oh no, I hope some nigger from 4channel doesn't see me driving around with the three kids I pumped into my wife and think I'm gay! I don't know how my self respect would ever recover.
>>28873426Men and women who feel small but think they can buy themselves bigSame as trucks.
>>28874628while there are 3 row suvs* that cost the same as a minivan the 3 you listed cost 20-40k more.and if making random women wet was the goal of your car maybe you should have said that in the original post instead of carrying around your family.*crossovers
>>28874642I wasn't the poster you replied to, I was just giving reasons not to get a minivan. In addition to what I listed, minivans can't tow shit. If you've got a boat, or ATV, or for whatever reason a trailer, good luck hauling it on a road trip with the family in your Odyssey >inb4 but you're not using it every dayMaybe not, but when I do need it, I don't want to rent some bullshit from Penske.
>>28873426>oversized POS>horrible fuel economy on most>shitty turn radius on many>not at all fun to drive if you're under 5'5>massive blindspots on many which promote reliance on cameras and other tech>you may sacrifice storage space (half the reason to buy this POS in theory), for a shitty 3rd row which could only fit a child.>less utility for more cost than a soccer mom minivan>if made within the last half decade, everything inside and out is cheap and plasticy, things will come up broken within the 1st year>will turn grandma or the neighborhood kids into a tropical smoothie if you run over them>impossible to parallel park in some areas>will rape your wallet if everything works, will do it even more if ANYTHING breaks (DIYers need not apply)why do women in particular love these things so much?
>>28874662Why wouldn't an Odyssey be able to tow an ATV?
>>28874695>why do women in particular love these things so much?They can carry Aidynn, Brayden, Caighlynne, and their soccer teammates comfortably; they feel safe as a tank on the freeway in the likely event she crashes; it doesn't give women the ick like a minivan (maybe they just hate sliding doors?); it's (historically) more expensive than a van, so therefore better...
>>28873920Huh? That wasn't a question. You really think a modern full sized SUV gets 12mpg?https://youtu.be/VEw9ti1xb2Y?t=593>>28874708Minivans have extremely soft springs in the back and no ground clearance. You would rip your hitch off before even reaching the trailhead.
>>28873426>I want a vehicle that>is big like a truck>difficult to park like a truck>with shitty fuel economy like a truck>but without a bed.How about a full size cock in your ass?
>>28874768got cocks and assfucking on the mind, huh
>>28873426They're for Catholics and Mormons with half a dozen kids.
Give me one reason why a conversion van is not better than an SUV if you have more than two kids.
>>28874790It's going to be over $100k. It probably won't have AWD or 4x4. It won't fit in a underground parking garage. Vans are a meme in North America.
>>28873426>Need 4WD for hunting and boat ramp>Need space for me, wife, two kids, and mother-in-law to go to church>Gas prices are a poor people or blue state problem>Need tow capacity for utility trailer or camper>Can sleep in back comfy if doing overnight out shit and it’s cold>Pilot seats make 3rd row access easy so I don’t have to move the car seats
>>2887347625-30 mpg is fucking atrocious fuel economy my good man. Anythingunder 40 is terrible and I have no idea why tradies aren't efficiency conscious because every dollar they burn is a dollar pulled directly out of their profit.
>>28874882You know it's still cheaper to drive a gas guzzling truck in America then it is to drive an economical truck in Europe, right? Sure you may get better fuel economy but you also need a license to carry a garbage bag.
>>28874088nta but SUVs are body-on-frame, greater towing capacity, 4WD
>>28874882Because it's diminishing returns bro. The difference between 20 and 30 is pretty big, that's $5 every 100 miles. But going to 40 is only 2.50. Above that is pointless. Going to 50mpg would only save an extra dollar.
>>28875183yeah fuel economy scales with driving more miles. pic related is 2k miles per year @ $3.50/gal. like $400 difference from a new prius and an old 4WD Sequoia or Tundra with the big engine options. $30/month for something infinitely safer and more practical. It's totally irrelevent.
>>28875300but at 20k miles, it becomes a ~$3-4k difference, or $250-333/month.
>>28875302$12,500 @5 years is $2,500 a year for 15mpg.And those also an extreme examples you specifically chose.Fullsize trucks were doing those numbers in the 80s.A 2019 F150 has a city/highway average in the mid 20s.If $80 a month makes a difference in your financial situation then you have other more serious issues and shouldnt be driving at all.And youre also forgetting about insurance rates and registration prices.Registration on an older vehicle in my state is a flat rate of 20 bucks. A new vehicle has a 7% ad valorem registration tax on the vehicles value.EVs have an "alternative fuel" tax of $234.So it would take well over a decade (probably more like 20 years) for the cost of a new vehicle to even break even with an older vehicle that has poorer fuel mileage.
>>28874322I truly have had the opposite lived experience. Women love big trucks
>>28873426So like a van but with less space?
>>28873916>SUVs are evolving to become vansIt was meant to be
>>28874882>Anythingunder 40 is terrible and I have no idea why tradies aren't efficiency conscious because every dollar they burn is a dollar pulled directly out of their profit.You're forgetting work expenses. Unless you live in a dogshit country that doesn't allow you to do this, you can use your work expenses to reduce your tax bill. And guess what? gas and mileage are work expenses.
>>28873426I knew someone that had an Excursion. its so nice riding in a big ass truck/suv.
>>28873426>Who the fuck even buys these things?fags, npcs, and women
>>28875376none of those people buy an SUV. they buy a crossover or a prius
I spent $1500 on 93 octane gas last year and average 20mpg. Who cares.
>>28874695>not at all fun to drive if you're under 5'5>>will turn grandma or the neighborhood kids into a tropical smoothie if you run over themwtf I need an SUV nowt. 5' 6"
>>28873426Women using divorce money.
>>28873426Dumb mutts.
>>28873517People are having less kids than ever are all these SUV owners exceptions?
Understand the Amerimutt mindset. If it's bigger, than it's automatically better. This is how every single consumer purchase of their goes. BIG House, BIG Car, Big Wife means you made it for the average Amerimutt. They don't understand elegance. They're an inherently low IQ people dumbed down by an intense selective information feed.
>>28873426>"truck"fag trying to deflect from his own faggotry.
>>28874312>hauling
If Moms find out you have one of these and kids who go tonthe same school as their kids they will invite you into their carpooling group taking their kids to school
