knew i should have bought a fucking leaf
>>28882487Said no one ever.
>>28882490said me actually
>[LEAFEV]I'm so glad you paid $500 for a custom number plate to tell me that the car is a Leaf because I couldn't see the badge. O_o
>>28882487I worked with a guy that had both first and second generation Leafs (Leaves) and claims he never paid to charge either of them in the five or so years I knew him. That's pretty good gas milage there.
>>28882487>terrible range>take forever to chargeNot really.
>>28882610150kms is plenty for me since i only ever drive to work and around town, plus work has fast chargers. surely modern aftermarket batts have better range nowadays if i ever needed more
>>28882616>work has fast chargersI'll be a sperg here for a moment since I worked for an EV company briefly, but fast charging is typically bullshit, much the same as sales say "up to 90%" but you'll rarely find anything that is that much off. They might be able to fast charge up to a specified amount but the likelihood of actually doing it is extremely varied.
>>28882622Priuuses here run taxi rides from the charger then run back home. I bet they have a "free" deal with the local government.
>>28882613I called a taxi. Put the back seats down and put a 6' load in it.Put it back when I left.Educated the guy driving that day.
>>28882487Uncle bought one, it worked fine for a year or so, and now it won't go more than 10 miles. Definitely don't get a used one
>>28882487My sister has one that she uses to commute to work. It's about 60km round trip per day and she charges it at home on a regular 10amp powerpoint overnight every two days. Works for her. Bought as a used JDM import so it has a cute Japanese woman's voice that says something when you turn it on. Cute.
>>28882487Even when was gas was 4$/gallon and a used Leaf was 4k$ it was hard to justify getting one as a second vehicle to commute in.ROI of 7 years if I remember correctly not including registration and insurance.Obviously other people have different requirements. Know someone that financing a Volkwagan TDI was cheaper than using a Tacoma to commute.
>>28882487batteries in these things break down really fast and they're like 8 grand to replace. No bueno
I wish I bought one a decade ago. There were bunch in my area with low mileage under $10K.
>>28884618A Leaf is the only case of battery failure in EVs I personally know of....
>>28882487Coworker has one. His battery lasts less than 50 miles and is hopelessly dependent on temperature. The weather dictates if he can travel to any nearby cities or not. If your car says "fuck you it's too cold" to travel 25 miles and back just buy a fucking horse.
>>28882616>150kmsMaybe if you're buying that shitty crossover-looking new one. The old ones have aged horribly at this point.
>>28885794how did nissan approve this?
>>28885358So every other manufacturer has cracked the code and invented a magic battery that doesn't lose charge capacity after years of continuous charging/discharging? You learn something new every day
>>28885904It's just anecdotal evidence in my case.But the Leaf is quite an early EV - technology surely has improved in recent years.
>>28884311>Obviously other people have different requirements. Know someone that financing a Volkwagan TDI was cheaper than using a Tacoma to commute.My daily is 128mi and my truck gets 14mpg I'm at around $800/mo in fuel. Thinking about a new car tbqhwy.
>>28885916Improved yes but batteries are still just a consumable that degrades quickly if you're constantly using/charging and you're a bona fide retard if you believe any bold claims the chinese make about their tech.
>>28885929I don't care about the Chinese claims, but batteries in modern EVs don't seem to degrade quickly.Otherwise the warranty virtually all the manufacturers are offering would wreck them financially.Also we are already seeing tons of EVs with 200tkm+ mileage and a battery SOH of around 90%.Sure, there are some early failures - just as there are ICE vehicles with early engine or transmission failures.
>>28885904nissan, just like shitco CVTs, use cheaper chemistry that is well known to degrade like a fucking duracell battery
>>28885916early leafs use lithium manganese oxide which is used for stuff like smoke detectors and remote controls, they fucking suck. In 2018 they switched to Nickel manganese cobalt which is what hybrid batteries like the prius used before switching to lithium ion in 24, those are much more reliable but still low energy density garbage
>>28882652>it has a cute Japanese woman's voice that says something when you turn it onhow can other cars even compete?
>>28885794I don't get this. Teslas retain like 90% of their range after 10 years. What chinkshit garbage batteries are they using in these things?
>>28886045the gen 1 and gen 2 leafs have air cooled batteries that degrade faster. they're also more susceptible to cold, so they lose more range in the winter. tesla batteries are liquid cooled and better insulated. nissan cut corners to make their ev cheap and it ruined the reputation of evs.
>>28886297How much would a battery replacement cost for a Leaf?Surely it would be good if all EVs had easily replaceable batteries. You could stop at a service station and just swap your batteries instead of having to wait for your existing battery to charge.I reckon the industry should come up with a standard size battery. A motorbike might use 1 or 2 of these standard batteries, while a big car might use 8 or something like that. You just pull them out and throw in some new ones.
>>28886568In Australia it costs about US$13,200 for new batteries fitted, drive in, drive out.
>>28886617That sucks. Surely that's a big problem with EVs if they require very expensive battery replacements every few years.
>>28886648evs are fake cars pushed by billionaires with a financial stake in lithium mines and battery production and sale
>>28886655If you're going to say that then you could also say that combustion engine cars are pushed by billionaires with a financial stake in the oil industryPersonally I'm not completely attached to either combustion engines or EVs. Potentially either technology can be used for a great car. Hopefully battery replacements for EVs will be cheaper in the future.
>>28886656combustion cars are practicalevs take an hour to fill up and weigh twice as much as normal cars and go half as far, and that's assuming you don't live in the mountains or somewhere very cold
>>28886660I think modern EVs can charge 80% of the battery in 20 or 30 minutes. Just charge it overnight, problem solved. For some people (e.g. in cold areas) then yeah, combustion engines might make more sense. But for people in mild climates EVs can make sense.
>>28886648most ev batteries keep a good amount of capacity for a long time. with normal usage you'll see 1-2% degradation every year. let's say i have tesla model 3 and i drive it regularly for 20 years. worst case scenario, i'll have 60% capacity left. that means i can still drive it for 150 miles which is a lot for most people.you only see more than 1-2% degradation with extreme use in extreme weather. like someone driving uber in a desert.
>>28886002Wha'chu talkin bout? NMC is one of the main types of Li-ion batteries, alongside LFP.
>>28887266my bad the old priuses used nickel metal hydride, not NMC
I'm interested in a e-Golf but they're so expensive. They're old and have short range. They shouldn't cost more than 5K.
>>28886568>Surely it would be good if all EVs had easily replaceable batteries. You could stop at a service station and just swap your batteries instead of having to wait for your existing battery to charge. They genuinely tried that at several points in the past 20 years, but the economics didn't work properly. I think some Chinese companies (Nio?) still offer it on a limited scale, but the majority of electric car manufacturers have moved away from attempting to implement it.
>>28886568Would you really trust something that gets passed around? What if you get a battery someone modified? What if it gets damaged and no one reports it? Lots of problems can occur.
>>28888779The Pony Express did such a thing with horses, but they were a company as far as I know, they didn't exchange horses for every faggot around.
>>28882616Why are you here
>>28882610depends on your needs. Clearly is you are doing other than the usual commute mileages per day, and local trips they are not going to be any good. The leaf I have is perfect for what I need tho, the charging isn't an issue either/ The way i look at it if I ever did need a carto go longer distance I would just hire one. Obviously the next car another EV I get will be far higher milage tho on a charge and faster charging.
>>28886045That's a 2011 model tho and the lower power as well. I get around 80 miles on a full charge on my 2016 model. the avg daily milage in he UK is around 35 miles, in the US about 45. People doing higher mileages per day obviously are not going to go anywhere near a car that can't do a day's daily milage for them on a charge.
>>28885929They do a designated amount of miles per life. If evena Leaf can be 10 years old and have done 50k miles then even that is viable on the lower scale of use (5k a year). Newer tech batteries will do more range and last longer do to the colling and heating to help plus the charging whilst braking and coasting. ICE vehicles got better with tech to last longer - they didn't all have to be some slow as fuck diesel from the 80's that was pretty shit with economy anyway. At the end of the day it is all about how much they cost over their lifetime and if the infrastructure for charging arrives
>>28886648EV's don't need new batteries tho. Even the Leafs with old tech are still running with 50k on the clock. People are not going to get one of those Leafs and run it as if they can do 10k a year - unless of course they don't care if the battery may well decline in a couple of years. They could of course not buy a cheaper 1st gen Leaf and buy a new one or another EV that they can run more conventually. Most people in the UK will go for a hybrid just for that safety factor. The thing is of course aside from the odd journey out they will be doing pretty short avg milages per day, however they won't have to keep charging and may only charge once a week
>>28885919My uncle was in a similar long commute when he bought the TDI
