Read it, study it, learn to recognize it.
https://generation180.org/resource/your-influence-matters-peer-influence-and-electric-vehicle-adoption/
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>>28882904Whats the point of this post op?
>>28882909This explains why only NPCs and Jeets drive these
>>28882915Knowledge is power.
>>28882915Some kind of psyop
>>28882904I can smell the fear from your thread. If EV shilling were a fruitless endeavour, you would not feel forced to "pre-bunk" it. You are actually afraid. So my guess is there is something to be said about electric cars.
>>28883140It's because EVfags want to legislate ICE cars despite easily 75% of EV owners having no idea how electricity is generated.When you try to ban things, and create a whole psyop to sell a product, some people might reasonably push back.
>>28883143I find bans of anything despicable and I know how electricity is generated, but I also think that EVs are cool.Not necessarily the whole networked bullshit (that's in every new car today), but electric drives. The high and instantaneoous torque, the wide range of RPM, the relatively simple construction.What astonishes me, is that this shill document seems to be entirely focussed at retarded leftists.l
>>28883168It's perfectly fine to like EVs, but you wondered why OP seems "defensive" and that's why. Lots of people are calling for legislation. But we've been legislating cars to hell for 60 years, we've got cat converters, turbos, 9spd gearboxes with tall final drives, variable timing, yadda yadda. Why do these "environmentalists" think that cars are the only source of pollution or emissions?
>>28882911Are these people being paid?
>>28883143Where I live electricity generation is 80% renewable/nuclear. If your area still relies on coal maybe you live in a shithole.
>>28883184Let me just quit my hobby and buy a new surveillance car because this anon lives where it's nuclear! Despite 3/5ths of electricity in the US being from burning fossil fuels with "drill babby drill," and "big, beautiful coal (BBC)" going on and data centers are demanding more and more.The next biggest superpower uses primarily coal.
>oil prices skyrocketing>every nation on earth rethinking fossil fuel reliance>EVs are the easiest replacement for fossil fuel dependable>oil companies know this could be the final nail in the fossil fuel transport industry>hires op to make this thread
>>28883197Everyone knows anons on this Mallorcan die casting forum hates cars and loves government regulation on what they can or cannot buy! Why would OP ever defend cars here?Buy more EVs damnit!
>>28883208The whole war is proving that fossil fuels are subject to government slavery, while EVs mean freedom.
>>28883143>despite easily 75% of EV owners having no idea how electricity is generated.The remaining 25% operate their own PV. In some regions the percentage is even higher.
>>28883178They hate cars. All cars. Even EVs.All this bullshit has simply the goal of making owning a car more of a hassle.They also won't stop. Euro 7 legislation already takes the "emissions" from brakes and tires into account.There will never be a point when they stop pushing further, until everyone (at least the middle class) goes by train.
Only EV worth buying. FUCK Tesla and FUCK Byd.
they do it for free
>>28883226>takes the "emissions" from brakes and tires into account.What's wrong with that? Particulates are a real concern and if manufacturers have ways to reduce them then they should.>>28883178Most other sources of pollution aren't directly in cities except for those horrible pellet stove and fireworks that are also in process of getting banned.People don't want to live in shitholes like India or China.
>>28883383The problem is that these "emissions" can not be reduced without putting the function of the device into jeopardy.And the second problem is that these things will never stop - there will be Euro 8, 9 and 10, each with increased demands that will make compliance more costly and cars more expensive and shittier, while at the same time "solving" ever smaller "problems".The pareto principle tells us that there is an optimum somewhere, where the effort put into emissions reduction generates big benefits for an acceptable cost. But by increasing the demands, we are leaving this optimum.
>>28883383>People don't want to live in shitholes like India or China.The US mandated catalytic converters over 50 years ago. India runs on shit 2-strokes and China barely had any cars until 10 years ago, its problem is that it burns more coal a year for electricity than the US's whole electrical grid.
>>28882904>these niggas really think they can convince us that EV is the way to gotheir blood spilling cannot come sooner bros
>>28883759>The problem is that these "emissions" can not be reduced without putting the function of the device into jeopardy.I don't see why that should be the case, a lot is down to improving efficiency.I'm a lot more bothered by the excessive encroaching safety systems making cars bigger, heavier and more expensive. All while other traffic users are completely exposed on bicycles, scooters, motorcycles or on foot without problems aside from oversized cars running into them.
>>28883832Maybe use the sidewalk. I don't drive on train tracks.You see this 12% Road Transport figure? That includes semi trucks.Yo see that 18% in agriculture? Over half of all food is wasted and 70+% of Americans are overweight. Why don't you bitch about that?
>>28883836Greenhouse gases and particulates aren't the same thing. Most food production is outside of cities so it shouldn't matter as much as traffic.Noise pollution is another issue that has been sidelined for far too long beyond basic mufflers and horn limits.
>>28883836Maybe use your air conditioning less. Maybe eat less and don't get food delivered. Maybe stop buying plastic garbage from china that's only used 1-2 rimes. Maybe stop having so many goddamn kids. Maybe stop using 1000W power supplies and crypto mining. IDK, but no, the cars are the problem because some Disney film made before you were born told you so, despite catalytic converters and unleaded gas being implemented like 60 years ago.
>>28883844>Muh greenhouse gas emissions and plastic waste don't matter - I don't like seeing engines and hearing noise.Wah wah wah. Cry me a river. I grew up on air force bases by the flightline; I'm not going on some crusade against planes.
>>28882907I got jew vibes from that post
>>28883852So Disney cruise ships are doing their part in reducing carbon emissions?>Maybe stop using 1000W power suppliesThe 80+ system has led to improved efficiency in power supplies. Most 1000W PSU are going to be rated Gold or higher so even if you run them at 20% they won't use excessive amounts of power.People are also having less kids and food production is getting focus, e.g. reducing meat. You're complaining as if cars were the only thing getting affected.
>>28883862You know I was just throwing out examples. Personal automotive transport is maybe 10% of emissions.[googled it]Yep, picrel. Go bitch about pharma waste, plastics, fertilizers, militaries, obesity, yadda yadda. We 2,300lb car guys have had enough of your bullshit.
>>28883852>>28883866>unironically using google AI
>>28883226Trains straight to the liquidation vats. ICE is weak and inefficient and the stuff we have now has been retarded and gimped for the last 100 years so it's not even realized to it's full potential. Can't have people getting 500mpg. But the problem is fake, the reaction cultivated, and the solution is worse than the nanny police boxes already rolling around.
>>28883862>People are also having less kids and food production is getting focus, e.g. reducing meat. You're complaining as if cars were the only thing getting affected.Black people get paid to have kids, this has been true since before I was born in the '80s. Who is having fewer children? Educated people. Meanwhile educated men get treated lik--- you know. Meanwhile, actual crackheads get PAID to have kids.Who gets food and housing benefits? Not educated people.Did you know being intelligent literally disqualifies you from disability? "You could work from home" despite gov't workers not knowing that companies don't hand out wfh jobs to people unemployed for years. But for a black woman who never graduated high school? Fuck yeah $1,500/ mo!Educated people in the US cannot get benefits even in the difficult medical circumstances the programs were made for. Yet some get it for "depression" or "drug abuse effects." Think about it.
>>28883869>Gives no counterpoint.It was better than spending 20 minutes a post to cherry pick a quote from some blogger. I could have provided no image at all, did you even read my posts?
>>28883876What counterpoint is there to give to a mongoloid that gets a computer to use the internet for them and trusts its accuracy 100%?
>>28883879You said literally nothing. You didn't even read my posts, which were what I said. The Images were supplementary. But you can't read or make arguments of your own, can you? Very sad.Prove to me that personal vehicles in the first world are the place to focus for reducing pollution and emissions. I posted >>28883836 , what'chu got?
>>28883884>Post real sourcesREEEEE they're jeeews!>Post AI bullshitNoooooooooo that can't be true. [doesn't even read my post]>Post why I like light manual ICE carsYou're a fucking jew>Post where electricity comes fromREEE no, some youtuber said it'll be solar and mass-scale batteries>What makes EVs so goodThey post shit about idealized energy consumption and ignore weight, where the energy comes from, and tires.
>>28883884They're not a focus to reducing greenhouse gas emissions, those get reduced across the board. They're a focus to reducing pollution because they produce the pollution in places where people are.
>>28883866>Go bitch about pharma waste, plastics, fertilizers, militaries, obesity, yadda yadda.They already do that.Do you eat bugs?And according to your image personal transportation makes up 19% of the greenhouse gas emissions in the US, significantly above the global level.
>>28883902That's bullshit and I don't care. A gas station clerk in wyoming will have more cancer risk than someone in NYC.We could prevent species being eliminated from drug hormones in urine. We could argue against overpopulation. We could argue obesity. Crypto mining does nothing for society and burns GPUs at their limit, did you know that. Cargo ships and planes carry all those garbage funko pops and halloween costumes you never use.Yet you want to tell me my 2,300 car made in the '90s is evil because I need to buy a car with a SIM car that brakes on me if I take corners too hard that costs 8x more than my car and 3x more to maintain per year? No. Go suck a fuck.
>>28883911>car that brakes on me if I take corners too hardIsn't that more of a safety feature unrelated to reducing pollution?
>>28883910>And according to your image personal transportation makes up 19% of the greenhouse gas emissions in the US,12%. And that includes road trucking. Maybe not being so fat and using aircon so much would save more than me switching my 2,300# car for a 5,000# one. Maybe there are better things to focus on? But since the leaded gas / catalytic converter thing in the '70s people have been happy to ignore the other shit.Why aren't they so up in arms about anything else? It's all performative. They never took thermo or o-chem - they watched wall-E.
>>28883911I'm not seeing any data that people in Wyoming are at higher cancer risk than people living in New York State or New York City in particular. Pollution doesn't just cause cancer either, it's generally linked to various diseases.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pollution-related_diseases#Air_pollution_diseases
>>28883914If you want to frame it that way. But you could also frame it as I don't want a car that fucking brakes or cuts throttle on me if I try to drive 5/10 while sending info about it to my insurance company and storing it so a future regime can use it against me.t. Worked engineering in ABS / TSC / ESP for 2-3 years. Shit's garbage.
>>28883921>12%.>In the United States, transportation as a whole represents 28% of total greenhouse gasemissions, with personal cars, SUVs, and light-duty trucks making up roughly 66% of that subsector's total emissions.When I checked, 66% of 28% were 19%.>Why aren't they so up in arms about anything else?But they are? Try actually paying attention instead of thinking you're being singled out.
>>28883929From a pollution standpoint, (non-regenerative) braking is bad because it produces particulate matter.
>>28883927Lots of things cause cancer bud. You have no idea how much better it was decades ago. Yes, people focused on cars to make it better - that's what I call a solved problem. How about solving the other 90% of emissions? Or maybe solving overpopulation? I don't think banning manual ICE cars will make a goddamn difference at all. Not having so many fucking kids might. Not eating so much food (deforestation + fertilizer + water transport for hay to feed the cows which fart methane for them to be frozen in AC carriages and chopped up, chemic- you see what I'm saying).You don't actually give a fuck about the environment, do you?
>>28883941Post bugs.
>>28883933>But they are? Try actually paying attention instead of thinking you're being singled out.They are not.>When I checked, 66% of 28% were 19%.Even by the numbers in your link I got 15.96%. You notice how different that is from other gov't org numbers?Cars are absolutely being singled out what the actual fuck?
>>28883946You actually think making me buy a $40k EV is going to make me sell my paid-off $4k manual that doesn't even take $30 to fill up? >I LOVE BEING SURVEILLED.How much is spent in going to work every day in air conditioned rooms with servers and refridgeration systems just to buy a new EV goypod while I'm still driving a '90s car? Oh yeah, you're too dumb to care. Wall-E say car bad.
>>28883947Are you going to believe it if I post the Google answer?But you don't seem to read the ones you posted yourself either.
Fuck off this government
>>28883963Where'd you get your numbers? Do you notice how numbers for these things vary significantly?
Wait, bros...I thought China was the renewable energy EV paradise but they make more electricity from coal alone than 1.5 of all of the US grid? Whaaaaat? No way!
>>28883969That's Norway you're thinking off.
>>28883969You have to consider per capita as China is home to a billion people, four times as much as the US. They do however produce a lot more emissions per capita than Europeans.
>>28883965cuck island never disappoints
>>28883971>80% hydropowerThis is not normal and as I understand nothing new. It is not a new dynamic. Worldwide hydro has remained steady as a percentage and nuclear is decreasing slightly to nat gas,>>28883979>You have to consider per capita as China is home to a billion peopleConsider that cars were almost non-existant in China in '00 then... see this chart? Do some basic math and that's an optimistic 5% private family car ownership by 2010.
>>28883969For China replacing ICE with EV helps a lot reducing local pollution since the coal fired plants are miles away and have long chimneys. Not sure why they haven't built more gas plants.
>>28883984>For China replacing ICE with EV helps a lot reducing local pollution sinceSee: >>28883983Even by 2010 fewer than 5% of Chinese had a car. They all got them during the recent EV surge. And they primarily burn coal. It's not because they were moving emissions away from anything (there were none from private vehicles lol).
>>28883986Imagine the smell if they all got ICEs, especially without proper emission control.
>>28883981Its stupid though>home of writers and politicians warning the world of corruption and oppression>world leader in corruption and oppression bar the US of gay
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>>28883994You can measure the number of adult households that own cars. You cannot measure corruption.
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>>28883226I agree even if you EV swapped they'd still find something to complain about. Think about it an EV swapped daily and an ICE trackcar and they'd still tell you you're the problem because "well the track is too loud!" It was always clear as day because they're not enthusiasts so they don't like motorsports and they don't even like decorating cars. They're posting a 0-6 speed thinking that'll win us over the dumb bastards. I remember a thread discussing safety in electric vehicles and design flaws and a monkey shill thinking "well you'd be dead in a crash do why do you care what happens after?" EV shills aren't just retarded they're unempathetic drabs who you couldn't classify as being 'out of touch ' because they were never 'in touch' with humanity to begin with. I tell a normie what I like they say "alright" you tell one of these bad faith arguing numnuts and they fucking short circuit.
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>>28883986Well there are several scenarios, I'm ranking them from least harmful to most harmful:1)EV and energy from renewables or nuclear2/3)EV and energy from a clean coal power station3/2)ICE with modern, well-maintained engine and emissions control4)EV and energy from a dirty coal power station5)ICE with old or broken engine
>>28884025There's a lot of different persons out there. I still drive a 2004 diesel with Euro 4 and no DPF but I'm going to replace it with an EV since we have our own solar panels to charge it instead of having to pay for fuel. Didn't want to be an early adopter but a lot of the issues seem to have been solved by now. New ICE cars don't interest me.
>>28882915Oil keks are having a bit of a hard time if you haven’t noticed.
>>28883197Oil industry is so powerful that Norway, an oil producing country was promoting EVs for years and is set to ban ICE in passenger cars all while multiple startups in the US(a big oil producer) were basing their entire financial strategy on subsidies. The EU was seemingly the only country that was institutionally affected(Trump is a wildcard) by not the oil industry but the car lobby and downsized their electrification plans, but didn't abandon them.The oil industry shills must be really bad at their job if that was the state they were in long term regardless of oil price shock.
>>28884750ACK
>>28883226>Euro 7 legislation already takes the "emissions" from brakes and tires into account.Rubber tires are one of the largest source of the microplastics that are now in your balls killing your sperm, reducing your testosterone, and feminizing younormies shouldn't be driving cars as much as they do, it should be predominantly the realm of hobbyists
>>28884753Bro, nobody is believing your conspiracy shit.
>>28884792>Rubber tires are one of the largest source of the microplastics that are now in your balls killing your sperm, reducing your testosterone, and feminizing youOh gee, I wonder which pollutes more of this? My 2,200 lb miata on all seasons that last 50k miles, or the 5,000 lb EV on summer tires (because the weight is so large, the torque distribution so bad, and the suspension so shitty that they need them just to take corners normally) that last 5-12k miles... I wonder...
>>28884753>The EU>countryI thought it was a continent?
>>28884798Your 2200lb miata is an enthusiast vehicle, personal EVs are a compromise. Everyone that isn't into cars as a hobby or doesn't legitimately need one should be on public transit.
>>28884801I don't respect authority. I don't like being told what to do and I reciprocate by not telling others what to or not to do.Leaded gas? That was very bad. But that's long in the past. You have to have a compelling argument that gas cars are worse than shifting to coal and nat gas - and I'm not seeing it.It uses fuel to transport people on trains or cars unless those trains happen to run on nuke. France is the only nuke-positive country but they literally have slave labor mining towns to get their uranium.If you like having freedoms, allow others to have them too - a society works out better that way.
>>28884815I fully believe we should be doing everything possible to get as many people off the road as possible. Most people are not like us, they genuinely dislike driving, it's just something they have to do to get to the things they actually want to do.
>>28884817>I fully believe we should be doing everything possible to get as many people off the road as possible.The problem is overpopulation. Cars are not the primary source of pollution. Everything is tied to population.The only real environmental option is mass-scale slaughter of people. And I don't really advocate for that. I'm more into birth control and education, personally - notice how educated people have fewer children?
>>28884817Problem is, that if a majority does not drive, things will get shittier for those driving fast.It's not like in the early days of the automobile when it was a curiosity used by the elites, they will do anything in their power to stop you from driving as well.
>>28884846if there are less people on the road they won't be able to justify spending assloads of money handing out tickets
>>28882904evs are for jeets, fags and other kinds of non-human
>>28884815Renewable energy is accounting for 48% of the electricity in the EU and the amount is rising.Member states like Sweden are almost entirely free from coal or gas.https://www.iea.org/countries/sweden/electricity>gas cars are worse than shifting to coal and nat gasCars running on LNG or LPG were generally better than cars running on petrol but they never managed to become the mainstay. Shifting the the emissions to large power plants instead of small combustion engines alone would already improve air quality.
>>28884800It's definitely not a continent since countries like Switzerland or Belarus aren't included. But whether it's a country or not depends on how you define a country. It's not a full member of the United Nations but so was Switzerland until 2002. The EU has bilateral relations with over hundred UN member states and has accredited ambassadors
>>28883140Is this elaborate bait thread?Anyone peer pressured [retarded] into conidedering an EV is going to get sticker shocked into muh used Camry. EV have there place but even normies know this.
>>28883226Finally a good postE isnt important its getting ride of the V they want
