How did things get so bad?
>>28885154the days of form over function are long goneNGDV is highly optimized for its task at the expense of literally everything else
>>28885154The bottom one was the result of Jewish tricks at the federal level. The company contracted to make them never had, and still doesn't have, the capability to actually produce the trucks.
>>28885158>The company contracted to make them never had, and still doesn't have, the capability to actually produce the trucks.They've delivered 5000 so far
>>28885160https://youtube.com/shorts/ekXZfQZxcVM?si=IQoacCrgJ3QyBbIe
>>28885154Jews.
>>28885154All 3 are ugly.All 3 are function over form.
>>28885166I ain't defending the Military Jews But I do see the new mail vans around.Production is slowly increasing.I work manufacturing, a lot of shit goes wrong all the time.
>>28885180>I work manufacturingHope you're able to get your GED and into a better situation
>>28885234you know that there are more manufacturing jobs besides minimum wage button pusher, right?actually even the button pushers make surprisingly decent money
I drove middle for 18 months they're delightful little boxes
>>28885160wow 5,000 in almost 3 years is really impressive
>>28885251fuckin way she goes in procurementthere were none until late 2025, then 2500 by the end of the year, now 5000 and production is still ramping up
>>28885154>>28885158i dont think you give a shit about how it looks after an 8 hour shift
>>28885252first ones were delivered in 2024
>>28885256You're right, my mistake. It was 60 something in 2024, most of the deliveries came in the latter half of 2025 though
>>28885234>He doesn't have a high skill union job >He doesn't have a $1,000 a month mortgage
>>28885154Looks like the Jews have been covered.I heard some story about the middle one being an aluminium body and the need for rubber material between it and the frame to prevent dissimilar metal corrosion.
>>28885154usps employees apparently loved the last one during trial. Crazy but who am I to complain
>>28885300>He doesn't have a high skill union jobI do! But it's a desk job. >He doesn't have a $1,000 a month mortgageGod i wish. Mine is $3500.
I recently found out the Grumman LLV didn't have heating and air conditioning. The poor driver has to endure terrible weather all year.
>>28885312Fug. Nta but give deets.Purchase priceDown payment Percentage rateDate of saleArea
>>28885321No, see, it has a big windshield, so it has no SOVL. And the sliding doors make it look like a minivan which gives me, a woman, the ick.
>>28885154They're ugly but they're designed to make the job easier as a mail carrier.
the hate for the new mail truck is so fascinating to meit shows how the average person is oblivious to modern automobile ugliness until a single model undergoes a harsh transition bridging 40 years of subtle styling evolutioneven more hilarious is that the ngdv is actually pretty conservatively styled compared to what the consumer brands are putting out
>>28885494I think it's a lot less ugly than most consumer cars coming out lately.I actually like it; it kinda looks like a cartoon of the Grumman mail truck
>>28885154Third is what the commietrannies want all trucks to look like
>>28885567>mail vans are designed to have better visibility, the west has fallen...
>>28885321I also own a quad plex. But this is my single family home. >Purchase price$570k>Down payment5%>Percentage rate5.5%>Date of sale9/2022>AreaPacific Northwest
>>28885156>NGDV is highly optimized for its task at the expense of literally everything elseso was the LLV
>>28885721They didn't really do a great job of it back then.
>>28885616>Purchase price $305K (Twin sister and I own it)>Down payment $20,000>Percentage rate 2.75%>Date of sale 2019>Area PNWMy starter home is most likely my forever home
>>28885251They're being delivered at the rate the ones they need to replace are being decommissioned.
>>28885234Brother there are some crazy good tech jobs in the manufacturing sector
>>28885776Is your sister single?
>>28885567Easily solvable with a bumper cam and as a bonus it'll be like playing my racing games but in real life!
>>28885154The only bad thing about Oshkosh is that it's made by Oshkosh. It's engineered for the task with feedback from people who worked on the previous generation, it's an EV in a job where an EV actually makes sense, but an exclusive manufacturing contract with a military contractor is a thing they got burned on twice already. And with Oshkosh of all people. Grumman are at least "the good ones".
My USPS guy drove a fucking Camry in my small town. No markings or anything
Third looks comfy
>>28885154> Look kinda nice> Is more practical, has more space for cargo and has more visibility on the road> Have a big bumper so it doesn't break too easilly and dont wreck the other cars> DOESN't KILL YOUR CHILDREN.> Is friendly to the community.> NOOOOO ! IT'S THE JOOOOS ! they destroyed our big angry and (((sexy))) vehicles ! the west has fallen mom WAAAAAh mommy i pooped in my diapers WAAAAAAAH !!!
>>28886517Most of them are going to be the ICE variant.
>>28885776>Area >PNW>bought before COVIDFuck off, then.
>>28885251thats almost 5 per day. how many mail trucks can you make in one day anon?
Why does anybody give a fuck what a mail truck looks like?Thats like being worried about what model kenworth delivered fuel to your local gas station.It has zero effect on your life.
>>28886692People across the country will see this vehicle for decades. The mail truck is an icon by default. Plus our tax dollars are paying for it, which gives us license to complain.
Shout out out to USPS drivers, this job seems awful
>>288853211.1m250k2.75%2/2022Jew York burbs>>28885300Nice.
>>28886630>EcopoopAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>28886734you're right they should've kept the Iron Duke from the LLVs
>>28885154>"based chuds" like to worship quirky economical function-over-form boxes until they actually get made
>>28885156>>28885154the new design is ugly but who gives a shit? i want something that is great at performing its function, which the new ones areone thing i dont get is why they switched to ICE from electric. was it literally just "yeah it'll cost more in the long term, but it'll save a little money before the next election"?
>>28885154I like it. Looks very utilitarian, as a government vehicle should. If you want a bugatti to deliver your mail, maybe consider moving to Dubai.
>>28886734I started reading more into the NGDV after this thread and holy fuck what an absolute shit show. >turbocharged 2.0l dragging a 6,000 lb vehicle around with AC blasting all day And they expect these pieces of shit to last a minimum of 12 years? Lmao how many new engines will that include
where do i get my hands on a decom llvi want a s10 frame and a motorcycle shed for 300 bucks.
>>28886680give me $6,000,000,000 and i could absolutely do better.
>>28885167/thread
>>28885318I think they only have heat, you need that to survive in actual winter climates. Whenever it's toasty I see those LLVs with the windows/doors open, fan on and the courier walking the route to get outta that hot box.
>>28887116Sadly, dubai's post office was nuked today.
>>28885154In non kiked countries they just use normal vans.
>>28887264The USPS is in the process of purchasing up to 30k Metris vans, and they have a bunch of promasters and stuff too.
>>28887264>no RHD>no cargo area passthrough
>>28887702They literally sell them in rhd countries goy
>>28887778That and they'll make RHD cars specifically for mail delivery in LHD countries.
>>28887274So they're just for letters?Ours just ride motorbikes.
I think it looks cool
>>28887784They deliver packages too.
>>28885567>>28886461Solved
>>28885721can tell you're not a letter carrier lol. the LLV's suck ass, they are notorious death traps, have terrible visibility (policy is to NEVER back up because you can't see for like 100 feet directly behind you), and break down constantly. they're cool and kind of fun to drive but the new one looks way better for actually doing the job, except that it looks massive and like it will be more difficult to maneuver in tight spaces.>>28887246they're not walking to get out of the heat, they're walking because the route they serve is a walking route
>>28888345Now the kids are at risk of getting hit with golf balls.
>>28885154i dare one of you fuckers to ride in the mail jeep for 30 minutes in a hot summer day
>>28887246They fucked up by not testing for Ligma.
>>28887274That's what makes this shit so fake and gay. These vans were supposed to replace the trucks, as were ProMasters. My office has 45 routes and weve got 5 ProMasters and it's been a decade. This shit was all a publicity stunt
>>28886930>i want something that is great at performing its function, which the new ones areIsn't that what the LLV did? The new ones do nothing better other than provide AC, at 10x the cost. We know this is accurate because they designed it for deliverers between midget size (4'10") and lanky giants (6'8"). They built a car for the 1% on both ends of the bell curve because a government contractor wanted that sweet NGO cash.
Just work a route in a shit town and they let you drive whatever you want
>>28889194No.The NGDV is designed for mailmen to actually stand in, unlike the LLV. It also has a ton more capacity (important for packages) and yes, AC is good.
>>28889201>The NGDV is designed for mailmen to actually stand in, unlike the LLVSo, an automobile you can stand in? Sure sounds like a delivery van like Amazon got from manufacturer that could just be a large van. Why do mailmen need to stand up inside their vehicle anyway?>It also has a ton more capacityAre LLVs insufficient for most package delivery needs? Disregarding xmas (because thats 1 month a year) has the USPS needed greater package delivery capability? >and yes, AC is goodI sure do love it when the government spends hundreds of billions to ensure the comfort of some 80IQ welfare queen. Sounds just like my state spending $300million for AC for prisoners.
>>28889205>So, an automobile you can stand in? Sure sounds like a delivery van like Amazon got from manufacturer that could just be a large van. Why do mailmen need to stand up inside their vehicle anyway?USPS mostly delivers letters (though volume is decreasing) and smaller packages. The use case is different than a pure-parcel service like Amazon/UPS.>Are LLVs insufficient for most package delivery needs?More capacity means more deliveries possible with fewer vehicles. >billions to ensure comfortThat isn't the only reason they switched, which you know, nor did it add billions to the cost, which you also know. So you're just being a dishonest faggot.
>>28889215>USPS mostly delivers letters (though volume is decreasing) and smaller packages. The use case is different than a pure-parcel service like Amazon/UPS.Right, so they deliver 90% junk mail, 5% bills, IRS noticies, and legal letters, and 5% packages. You're still ignoring why they might need more cargo area and capability to stand inside. >More capacity means more deliveries possible with fewer vehicles. The routes they take are based on estimated time to complete all the deliveries for an ~8.5 hour day. During holidays and high volume periods there are overtime provisions. Are you suggesting they're finishing their day in less than ~8.5 hours justifying a larger cargo area? Or are you suggesting they're about to have to work longer hours. If thats the case, why not get a UPS sized truck, even more cargo area, plenty of space to stand, and AC already equipped. >That isn't the only reason they switched, which you know, nor did it add billions to the cost, which you also know. So you're just being a dishonest faggot.You haven't outlined any good reasons, and new vehicles costing $56,000 a piece on an untested engine and chassis isn't free. the LLVs have engines you can't kill in a steel box designed to ram into everything. The government is crushing all the old LLVs and they're making it illegal for anyone but them to have them. Do you really think any of this hasn't cost billions already?
To the person who thinks it's cost effective to switch over to electric: you are an extremely, extremely, fucking stupid person. My office has 50 routes, so 50+ vehicles. In my county alone you're talking probably just under 10k vehicles. 1 single county. You think the USPS is going to pay to install charges and pay to charge shit all day and night? Let alone routes not being able to get delivered because a charger malfunctioned or someone forgot to plug in. People like you are so fucking dumb the only thing to do is just cave your fucking head in. You being alive is a net negative on society. You need to fuckin die
>>28889217The ProMaster are already 10,000% suitable for the average letter carrier.
>>28889236>10,000 trucks in a single countyeither you're retarded or you think we are
>>28889215USPS delivers just as many packages as amazon and UPS. Promasters are already 100000% suitable for every letter carrier in the nation
>>28889240There's over 50 post offices in my metro with some offices having 150+ routes in a single office. You *are* fucking stupid
>>28889174The vans were a stopgap between the LLV and NGDV, the USPS fleet is over 200k vehicles, obviously 30k vans isn't going to replace the whole thing.>>28889194NGDVs also come with the benefit of not being 50 year old shitboxes.
>>28889242They would have to buy the entire annual production of promasters for several consecutive years to have enough to replace the fleet.
>>28889244so you're retarded. good to know
>>28889256>NGDVs also come with the benefit of not being 50 year old shitboxes.So your argument is that they're new so spending that kind of tax money on useless "upgrades" is a good decision?
>>28889292It's an improvement over the LLV in nearly every conceivable way and also they aren't ancient, falling apart, and becoming increasingly costly to keep running.The absolute newest LLV is 30 years old.
>>28889284>Says the redditor cultist that thinks the USPS is going to install 200k chargers for some piece of shit EVs
>>28889322>The absolute newest LLV is 30 years old.You're so close. The newest is 30 years old and still going 6 days a week in brutal stop-and-go usage.Sure sounds like we need to replace them, huh?
>>28885154USPS route delivery was fucked from the moment they gave up on Studebaker.
>>28889322>It's an improvement over the LLV in nearly every conceivable way and also they aren't ancient, falling apart, and becoming increasingly costly to keep running.>The absolute newest LLV is 30 years old.The MPG is just as bad, if not worse. Otherwise sure, they're better, but can Oshkosh even build enough to satisfy the contract? From what I've read they've only actually supplied a few dozen so far. At the current rate it'll be 2045 or 2050 until all the new vehicles are delivered. Rivian has actually done a way better job of providing their delivery vehicles to Amazon. Maybe they should've just had Rivian make a bunch of mail trucks? Outside of rural areas, seems like an EV would be the obvious choice for mail delivery, they excel at city driving and stop and go
>>28889334Do you really think all 200k of them are puttering around without issues? They spend about $5000 annually on maintenance, and parts are scarce because all the COTS stuff they used went out of production 30 years ago.>>28889362>From what I've read they've only actually supplied a few dozen so far.2500 as of late last year, production's ramping up. Current contract is for ~50k over 10 years, with roughly half being EVs
>>28889292>Spend loads of money putting bandaids on old, worm out designs>Spend loads of money getting ready, willing, and able designs
>>28889339Busytown looking mf
>>28889339More like Studebaker was fucked when USPS gave up on them. All the debt they inherited when Stude bought up Packard didn't help either.
>>28889413>>28889501Both of you are using girl math. >$5000 a year is a lot!>I'll buy a brand new $60,000 vehicle to avoid that!
>>28889242Lmao I miss fucking up those promasters on muddy country roads as an Amazon driver.
>>28885154>How did things get so based?ftfy
>>28886732what dafuk job is that
>>28885318If you turn the fan on, roll the windows down and keep driving it makes a nice cooling breeze in the cabin, it only becomes unbearably hot if you park in the sun and don’t move or drive slowly for awhile >t. rural carrier
>>28889962It's not going to get any cheaper to keep LLVs running. The Vs have reached the end of their LLs50 years is a good run, time for something new.
>>28889292Yeah, what a waste to be spending tax dollars on improving the working conditions of postal workers when that money could be going to Israel instead.
>>28890262They already get government paid healthcare, pensions, and union breaks every 16 minutes. God forbid they have to work in anything but 72 degree temperatures while they sit and drive around residential roads all day.
>>28887241Nest I can do is $271,000,000
>>28890278this. NO job should be well paid, everyone should be terminally destitute, from brain surgeons to mail men
>the USPS wont surplus the LLV and instead will turn them into cubesI am going to send actionable threats to the postmaster general
>>28890278most routes are walking routes. you have to wait for someone at your post office to die to get a mounted route.this job sucks ass, you clearly have no clue about it.
>>28890724>most routes are walking routes.>you clearly have no clue about it.I do because I know most routes aren't walking routes. They're a small minority of routes. And I know its ass, its why I'm not a letter jockey.
They're practical, not for picking up bitches or your need for constant eye candy you fucking overstimulated brain rot fuck
>>28890887wrong
>>28885300>>28885312My mortgage is $351.16/mo right now. It went up a little because property taxes went up so they need to escrow more.
>>28890643Send an actionable threat on my behalf as well
>>28885776How twin are we talking here? Like can I bang you and be able to picture that it's her instead?
>>28889240How many mail vehicles do you think are in LA?
>>28889339Did Studebaker also make ice cream trucks?
>>28889962>This 78 year old is still capable at his job! We don't need to train new workers
>>28890452Americans are so fucking cucked.
>>28891304>USPS says there are 257,894 trucks for 154 million delivery points (assuming mostly households, but with some shared properties/mailboxes sprinkled in)>~597 delivery points per mail truck>LA county has 3.7 million households>if it had 10k trucks, it would have ~370 delivery points per truckso a densely populated area would be LESS efficient than the country overall, with its many rural areas, which makes zero sense>divide 3.7 million by 597>based on that math, it'd be about 6200 trucks>many places are sparsely populated and still have mail delivery, so the average is skewedso it's probably like 4k-5k trucks in LA countybut more importantly, the way he says "hurr durr in my county alone" makes it sounds like he lives in a typical county. as if that's typical for the 3k+ counties in the US
>>28889168You can only get soo much from NIGGA mail
>>28885300I don't think pilots have a union, I haven't heard of one other than the skybus one. I also don't have a mortgage. I did but don't anymore.
>>28888384Underrated post.
>>28886630>94kwh>70 miles rangeThat seems pretty short. Was that a fully loaded test only doing stop and go route stuff?
>>28891381We'd save a whole lot more money if we simply shut the USPS down. Junk mail would stop, paper trash would be down, less diesel and gasoline used overall.Why do we have the USPS again?
>>28891792>Was that a fully loaded test only doing stop and go route stuff?Yeah why didn't they take it on a freeway cruise? Surely that would give better range!
>>28891898I am no expert on bev appliances however don't they get better range at low speed? Some routes do require getting on the highway to get to the neighborhood they'll service. They probably won't use the bev boxes for rural routes though.
>>28891900>don't they get better range at low speed?I want you to think about what it is a mail delivery truck does all day and why they may have tested fully loaded "doing stop and go route stuff".
>>28891792That's an estimation, not an actual tested result. They expect they'll only use 20% of their battery capacity daily. I assume the plan is to use the ICE ones on the longer, more rural routes.
>>28885156Like aerodynamics?
>>28892325these will spend the bulk of their lives between 0 and 40mphaerodynamic forces are negligible
>>28891897The USPS can deliver to locked mailboxes because they are the only ones that have specified keys for them. otherwise, UPS/Fedex will leave your package outside for niggers to steal. Just a personal anecdote, but I have never had anything arrive broken with the USPS. whereas shit tends to arrive broken more often from Fedex and Especially UPS. Fedex and UPS have shareholders, and are incentivised to take on as much volume as they possibly can, which stresses out imployees and increases the likelihood of your shit being lost/damaged before it gets to you.If you have ordered a lot of fragile shit in the mail, you'll hope the USPS delivers it over Fedex/UPS. it is far more likely to make it to you without damage and without being stolen, since only USPS get keys for locked mailboxes. If the USPS was gone, our delivery service would be way worse.
>>28892751And there are millions who simply never get their mail because USPS is so inept it'll lose multiple packages. You know why? Because they hire people who couldn't finish high school. 50% of their revenue is from junk mail. Their bread and butter is delivering trash to people. They're so inept they have to ask congress for billions of dollars because if you simply ship a lot of garbage, they discount it below what it costs them to deliver. But yeah, your glass anime figurines get to your house unbroken and that has nothing to do with the packaging.
>>28893196USPS is still better than the niggers at UPS/Fedex, who do everything you're complaining about with the added bonus that they just leave your packages outside because they can't access locked mailboxes and have shareholders so they work their employees even harder to take on volume they can't handle leading to much more chaos and damages.I'll take USPS any day of the week. Fuck Fedex/UPS.
>>28893196>Because they hire people who couldn't finish high school.They don't. find me a drop listing where USPS doesn't require a High School level education. you know who actually does that, though? UPS/Fedex. because they aren't a government job. UPS/Fedex will hire anyone with a pulse. they'll hire bums off the side of the street as a "manager" without even knowing what their managing. I've actually worked at UPS. they have ZERO standards. the USPS being a government job actually has a higher barrier to entry. they often don't even look at your application at UPS when they're desperate for workers. they used to just straight up hire people blindly within 30 minutes of submitting an application. some of the shittiest managers you will ever see in your life that will make McDonald's managers look like Jeff Bezos in comparison.
>>28887780What are you talking about, why would they need to be different? In the UK the Royal Mail vans are just normal vans but red with the emblem on, the newer ones are electric.
>>28893373our mailboxes are on the street in the US.
>>28893353>USPS is still better than the niggers at UPS/FedexLast Fedex guy I saw couldn't even speak English apparently. UPS dudes are OK so far. But I agree, USPS is the best of the bunch.
