Let's say there's a solar flare and everything goes to shit, would a pull start engine powered go kart work? Would the Predator 212cc be a good engine? Would an engine per tire be best for carrying more weight over long journeys? Let's discuss the best custom set-ups for such a scenario.
>>28885600>there's a solar flare and everything goes to shitgasoline is now too valuable to use over long journeys. Horse and carriage is the best option for carloads or truckloads, while trains could make a comeback once switching stations are retrofitted with manual controls instead of wireless/electrical signal controls
>>28885602Internal combustion is used in generators to power long distance communication, maybe in docks to power larger cranes and get goods already in the water back to land, and possibly near existing refineries where infrastructure doesn't rely exclusively on electricity powered pumps
>>28885602but if you had this readily available you could get to a bug out spot before people go crazy
>>28885610>if you had this readily available you could get to a bug out spot before people go crazyHow? Cars would have been affected, their electronics fried as they drove, and give into failsafe/limp mode. People wouldn't have been able to restart them or contact a towing service (machinery also fried), so most of the roads will be blocked basically as soon as you get notice that you need to bug out
>>28885611mostly blocked is good enough odds to make it worth it
>>28885600there has been done tests on this, exposing various types of cars to nuclear like levels of EMP and while many got bugs and errors while running, some even stopped, only a few actually wouldnt start after the EMP blast. The effects on EMP is totally taken out of context and overrated, it *can* toast electronics, it will not toast basic electrical wires and stuff like a starter or old school ignition. what it can do is at the time it happends it can create false signals and voltage spikes on a running engine that might make it stop or act out. if its parked, ignition off nothing will happend. even better if you disconnect the battery and clamp the +&- cables together.
>>28885600cars use old semiconductors with gate sizes that are large enough to prevent most of them from shorting out
>>28885611I never understood this. Wouldn't the 50 lbs steel hood block that?
>>28885654>>28885749Let's say aliens wipe out electrical stuff then
Why do people think they're just going to drive around when everything goes to shit? Have you seen what a 1/8'' of snow does to some places WITH infrastructure in place?
>>28885831Because they're retarded larpers.
>>28885831When there's a blackout it takes at least a day before people start looting BLM style. I'm suggesting if you wanted to go like 300 miles the moment the lights go out to get out of there before shit gets worse. I don't get why you reddit tier retards are autistically attacking the premise rather than discussing builds
>>28885827>a coil of 25m of indoor wiring left outside in the yard>a metal stick of rebar>miles of fencing around your propery..all these are affected by the emp, but in an old car equal to that. the fence doesnt disappear, the rebar doesnt melt, your twine of cables doesnt offer free energy. old cars is just that.
>>28885841It's pretty pointless discussing builds when that would be the least of your worries. People would start chimping out immediately and you wouldn't be able to leave the city. Now if you live outside the city then we can start discussing builds. Your best bet would be a Rokon with a diesel and as much fuel as you can carry and head out into the middle of nowhere. Even then it won't matter because you'll just run out of fuel or reach a point where you can only travel by foot.
>>28885817Yes and no.EMP can be reflected since its just a wave. So in theory it can bounce off the road surface and come in from underneath.
mechanically-injected diesel
>>28885817If the earths natural defense against solar flares doesn't work you little civic hood isn't going to do shit
>>28885852Let's say you don't live in the city and already have a route laid out and would be able to carry enough fuel with you, rokon is a good idea thank you for an actual answer
>>28885607Refinery:The electric motors will be fine, the contactors and switches as well, inverters maybe, control systems could be a problem (though the hardware they use is relatively tough), the long cables to the sensors will pick up the pulse well, which will probably fry their input circuits (those are often already destroyed by lightning in the area (not even a direct hit)).But people have spares in stock.But producing enough energy to run the refinery will be hard - they often have their own power plants but are probably not able to start them (again) without the grid.
>>28885600to show what electromagnetic fields does i give you my year at an elkem now alcoa aluminium electrolysis and melting plant. currents where so high a wrench would stand straight up in your hand. power was delivered through 20x80cm aluminium girders delivering 160 000A at 950DC. workers where set to cut through these girders live using chainsaws. they where bypassed at that point buy still live... if we lost a tool, a wrench or whatever, it got so electromagneticly stuck to the nearest owen i had to find one of the designated stainless prybars to get it free. stainless is almost non magnetic. my phone, card and car keyes survived it.
>>28885600Honestly, if everyone is so worried about the environment and gas, idk why we don’t just make multifuel go karts. Honestly, seems way more practical to me.
most vehicle electronics are incased in metal that protects them from em radiation the danger from solar flares is to do with how they effect powerlines
>>2888560090%+ of gasoline has ethanol in it and will be borderline unusable 6-8 months after "solar flare". This is a fantasy and the best possible choice would be a dirt bike or dual sport motorcycle though you're just going to wind up abandoning it because you can no longer find fuel.
>>28885921It's literally for journeying the first day
>>28885914Metal only shields from the E part of an emp. The M goes through.The biggest problem are probably not currents induced in the electronics itself, but those coming in through the lines going in and out.
>>28885602I think I'll just use my ev, since your fossil fuel polluter shitboxes are obsolete anyway
>>28885928>op scenario is one where electronics have been rendered useless>hurr i'll just use my electronicsAre you an actual retard Anon?
>>28885930>there is no scenario where electronics becomes uselessthen what?
>>28885930Well he has an EV so yes he is
>>28885654sounds like you're talking about the department of energy experiments/tests they did in the 90s iirc. It's worth noting that they were responsible for any repairs needed on the vehicles so they likely didn't simulate the full energy level one could expect from an actual EMP in case they totalled the vehicle. A shame because who knows what would actually happen then.
Would it be possible to just use an older vehicle or just have a part ready to swap out?
>>28885939A solar flare would probably not affect any cars at all.But indirectly the electrical grid going down will make driving in more densely populated areas a hassle/impossible.
>>28885600cars will survive emps, the biggest issue is the electric grid and things connected to it since the conductors are very long.i've been in natural disasters and it is always instant gridlock, you aren't getting anywhere in a wide vehiclei'd go with an older motorcycle since they are cheap, can fit through gaps, and are super easy to maintain.other option is four wheeler with trailer but they use significantly more gas than a bike.winter your only choice is snowmachine
>>28885600Motorcycle with a bike trailer would be an easier bet. Pick a bike that's been in production for decades so parts are cheap and readily available.
>>28885600Let's not. Your stupid shit is boring.
>>28885865Stupid Logic. A faraday cage would work
why not just buy a carburated motorcycle? an underpowered gokart doesn't seem very practical.
>>28885831generally the only reason to travel in a situation like that is if where you live is no longer safe and you've become a refugee. depending on terrain a couple packhorses and a good pair of shoes is your best option.
>>28886298No.It only blocks electric fields and it doesn't block currents coming in over the wires connected to it.A solar flare would predominantly affect long wires - mainly the electrical grid itself.
>>28885602Imagine being this brainletThe answer is bicycles
>>28886397why would you have something plugged into a faraday cage?
>>28886433Because you want the thing to do something in the real world - like get energy or sensor data and move actuators.
>>28886410Bicycle engines still need fuel. So you load up a bunch of food onto your bicycle and start peddling. What happens when you run out of food? Where do you plan on getting groceries? I bet you've watched plenty of "bushcraft" videos on youtube but good luck actually living off the land.
>>28885602It's not going to take very long to reproduce the damaged parts and get logistics back online. >>28885600Just be a normal white person and have 2 freezers, or stop living in America where you have to drive to the store
I think the problem should shift to microwave shielding vs emp at this point
>solar flare happens>normal people just stay put>order is restored shortly, within a month life is back on track for most people>preppers who disappeared into the woods to live off the land wind up dead as they find out it's not nearly as easy as it sounds
>>28885600Real talk though if there's a solar flare bad enough to fuck the entire planet that badly im blowing my brains out. Why the fuck would I even want to stay alive in a world where best case scenario im living in a shack out in the woods rationing berries and beans hoping I dont get murdered or enslaved.
>>28885921>borderline unusable 6-8 months after "solar flare".It still stores for longer periods than that. Big tank, cap on to prevent evaporative loss and it's easily useable over a year or more. I empty and refill my fuel tanks at least once a year though so I don't have any longer data points than that.
>solar flare>society in panic>be me (literal genius)>hide myself in a hidden car sized tomb>go into hibernation with my car>wake up months later very hungry but it's okay because I slept with my mre pizzas too>society already rebuilding or rebuilt at this point>eat the salty pizza anyways>go to my local McDonald's and clog all the toilets EZ
>>28885602>gasoline is too valuableIn the ultra short term.Gas supply will run out in 3-5 days, gas production and delivery (at a minimally functional level) may take 8-12 months just to start back up.People need a loooootttttttt of gasoline normally, but, if EVERYTHING is fucked, 95% of people wont even be able to job until that's fixed anyways.If you wanted to be super prepared for if a major X-class worldwide shit's fucked flare happens you would buy a high speed capable e-bike, extra battery sets, 200w or so of solar panels and gear to charge it, and keep that shit in a strong faraday box.And really one should target some level of battery supply+ solar to be kept faraday boxed that could minimally provide for people's needs - cooking, heating, electronics. 1500w of panels and a 20kwh battery bank, thats 1500w and 20kwh rated because real life is not a spec sheet.But back to the gasoline and worst case scenarios.Gas already turns into unusable paint thinner in 6 months if nonstabilized, 12 if. Like 87AKI octane 10%eth in regularly wet/humid areas. Even pure gas 91/93 stored sealed underground gets you 2 years maybe. Sure maybe engines can run degraded gas, but for how long, are we so screwed this is Mad Max scenario? Don't rely on it, you'll be way ahead of the game with solar supply and electric transport. Even that 1500w of panels, if you drive an EV at max efficiency like 37mph, you could get 33 miles of charge per day if half that solar runs the bare minimum needs of a house.>>28886436So have a double stock up of tires, a spare chain, all the lubes, and a 5x supply of legitimate HD quality tire tubes. Would you rather be 100% fucked or moderately prepared just in case?
>>28886747>electricity goes out for 4 months, anon immediately KYSOk bye.
>>28885600Oooh yeah
>>28888727>1 week later>oh god im out of food, all i could hunt was this squirrel i dont know how to eat and i just realised how dependant i am on buying shit.
>>28886927i honestly think petrol (no ethanol) lasts a lot longer than people give it credit for. had a jerry can full of it that i forgot about for at least five years, dumped it all in my car when it was empty and it didnt have any problems. it was filled to capacity so minimal oxygen content in whatever air pockets were inside.
>>28886436>>28885921>>28886773You guys are all retarded, is this not /o/?The answer is you make more fuel and tune for high compression
>>28888750Man just read about it. Take you less time than me arguing about it.
>>28888792This is fantasy for most scenarios.Yes it can be done at home, but neither easily nor efficiently.Liquefaction is usually done by heating a starch solution with steam and pressing it through a nozzle, cooking a batch in water could probably work.Saccharification needs enzymes that must be added to do this, you could probably use barley malt instead of corn which already contains amylase, but then you'd probably be better off making beer or whiskey and selling it than going the fuel route and burning the valuable shit in your engine.The same applies to fermenting and distilling high sugar (mostly fruit) juices. In most cases the calories will be more valuable for your body than your car, or the alcohol is more valuable to cope with the shitty doomsday world you're living in.Get a bike - maybe an electric one - and solar panels on your bug-out cabin.
>>28888797Also the (semi-) continuous industrial process cannot be implemented at home, you must do batch processing. If you are able to cook a batch of 100L starch solution at a time (which already requires a big vessel), you can probably ferment it up to 15% alcohol. So if your still is efficient, you get 15L of pure alcohol in every batch (which probably means 2 days of work - especially if you count chopping the wood necessary for cooking and distilling).And this amount of fuel takes your super-heavy V8 all-terrain bug-out truck exactly how far?
>>28888793i forget that the US has lower fuel quality requirements than straya. storing fuel here in jerry cans would likely last longer than in the US.
>>28885600>carrying more weight over long journeysFor a super basic fuel efficient setup, I'd choose an old mini truck or van. 660cc motor and low range 4WD. Just pack some tune up parts and fuel filters.
>>28889037It's what I have, that's why I'd choose it, LoL.
>>28888840>had*
>>28888734Lol
>>28888797You are being contrarian because you want to be. Realistically, you could produce ~20 gallons per batch due to distillation being compounding. 15% per cycle. And they can be staged so while your cruising the neighborhood scavenging that dick head down the streets worldly possessions, you can be making batch 2,3,4,5 and six.
>>28885600best to have a multifuel or older diesel. I've thought about this a little bit before. Cummins 12 valve doesn't actually need electricity at all they're purely mechanical. Put it in front of a stick shifter and you're good. obviously you need to be able to start the damn thing but you could bump start it if manual.... not sure what you would have to do to make up for the battery though
>>28885938You don't need an actual EMP to know the effects if you understand basic electrical and magnetic field theory. This has always been a ton foil shenanigan propagated by carb slurping boomers who can't take 5 extra minutes out of their day to read a schematic. The entire vehicle is grounded and you are highly unlikely to see any issues at all.
>>28885600>not owning a 4x4 f350 with an IDI 6.9 diesel ngmi
>>28886757get a load of this pussy
>>28890121And how do you get the sugar?Starch must be broken down first.Making Ethanol as a fuel with makeshift technology is retarded.
>>28890185>And how do you get the sugar?>Starch must be broken down first.>Making Ethanol as a fuel with makeshift technology is retarded.>farm sugar source>extract sugar> ferment> distill fermented sugar> ?????> Profit!!!
>>28890191>Sugar sourceSo sugar beets or cane (depending on the climate)This is not easy to grow, especially without machinery and fertilizer.So provided you have the seeds and an already plowed field, you have to wait a whole season.If you have the knowledge, material and tools available (and the time), you'd be much better off making food, because this will be your (and everyone else's) primary problem.Even with modern agriculture it is not entirely clear, whether growing plants to make fuel is a good idea. Much less so in a low-tech world.
>>28890199Can use honey as well. I live where i can get sugar but it would require slaves to harvestIf we ever get to a situation where we need to worry about this, you are better off with horses anyway
>>28886747>within a month life is back on track for most people>within a monthGoddammit, what am i going to do with all this everclear, toiletpaper, porn and cocaine!?
>Sips fuel>Suprisingly reliable>Quieter than a 212>More storage space>Same engine used in buggys and ATVs>Parts available on literally every street corner>Already has stator for charging on the go (Predator 212 does not, I believe)For me, scooters are one of the best survival vehicles.
>>28885602I agree. Gas and diesel would be used to power generators, not automobiles Anything that can be hauled with a tiny engine can be hauled by a cart.
