>>28886557
>App
you should be shot

>>28886560
Why?
>convenience... is LE BAD!!!
It's a car for daily driving, not for le ebin driving experience

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>>28886557
ugly, model 3 looks much better

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>>28886578
Agree to disagree. I find the old headlights pretty ugly and outdated.
Not a fan of the light bar so I unironically think the y standard is the best looking Tesla from the front, while the premium is the best looking one from the back.
If we're talking pure car profile, the S is still the best and sleekest one.

>>28886557
>god tier and pretty gud: everything involved with the screen
>shit and what the actual fuck: anything related to driving
I like EVs as a grocery getter/commuter but Tesla is absolutely pants on head retarded when it comes to actually driving or using your car like a normal car

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>>28886557
>>god tier
>App and seamlessness for connectivity and driver settings
No hate, but what does this mean? I drive a simple old car.

>>28886604
it means you can sync up your indicators and your vibrating buttplug to activate at the same time

>>28886604
>No hate, but what does this mean?

>get into car
>it is already preheated or precooled
>seat and mirrors automatically adjust to your previous settings if someone else was driving the car
>same for climatization and your preferred temperature
>music you were just listening to on Spotify keeps playing
>navigation automatically starts for the appointment you have in your calendar
>did I mention all of this without carrying any car keys whatsoever you can forget wherever
The list goes on, there's just a shitton of convenience features which by themselves sound super minor, but as a sum are pretty fucking convenient.

>>28886583
I see your point about the lights. I just find the body shape bulbous and off-putting.

>>28886560
*all ev owner should be shot
ftfy

>>28886623
3 looks much better than y, no amount of cope can change that.

>>28886755
Just don't commit suicide due to gas prices first kek

Idk about your picture but this version without the light bar looks WAY better than with the light bar

>>28886789
tesla is just superior daily to anything else unless you don't have anywhere to charge it like me then you're fucked.
charging on public chargers is as expensive as driving on gas.
used to charge at work then some EU law came because of stupid ukraine whatever, there's some threshold of how much electricity you can use, go over it and you get tariffed by 50% so I got banned from charging at work.

>>28886557
Congratulations, you bought the non-retarded version of Model Y. No stupid Star Trek light bar. No annoying roof glass with poor sun protection. And you get LFP battery that are basically indestructible and can and should always be charged to 100% unlike NMC. For 30k, it sounds like quite the deal for a new car that has basically zero running costs save tires.

>>28886794
Light bars are gay.
Someone seems to have sent out a memo to all EV designers, that light bars are a necessity to look "futuristic".

>>28886618
>it is already preheated or precooled
so remote start
>seat and mirrors automatically adjust to your previous settings if someone else was driving the car
why is anybody else driving your car regularly enough for this to be a problem?
>same for climatization and your preferred temperature
same as above
>music you were just listening to on Spotify keeps playing
subscription cucks should be shot
>navigation automatically starts for the appointment you have in your calendar
irrelevant for 95% of driving
>did I mention all of this without carrying any car keys whatsoever you can forget wherever
but you can't forget your phone or have its battery die or bluetooth malfunction or...

>>28886822
>so remote start
It's far better than basic remote start. You don't have to be within key fob range, it's electric so you don't have to worry about it idling unattended, and you can set it up so it always gets set to a certain temperature at a certain time, for like a work schedule.
>why is anybody else driving your car regularly enough for this to be a problem?
Friends? Family? Mechanics?
>subscription cucks should be shot
Ah the ol "if it doesn't appeal to me then it doesn't matter at all"
>irrelevant for 95% of driving
Yeah that one is reaching I didn't even know it did that either
>but you can't forget your phone or have its battery die
And how often does this happen? When really in the last 20 years have you ever straight up forgotten your phone? You also still have the backup card in your wallet for emergencies.
>But what if I forget my wallet!
If you've lost your phone and your wallet then you probably wouldve lost your car keys too because you just got mugged
>or bluetooth malfunction
It's not bluetooth but also bluetooth never just randomly "malfunctions"

>>28886839
>Friends? Family? Mechanics?
Why are they driving your car enough for this to matter?
>Ah the ol "if it doesn't appeal to me then it doesn't matter at all"
Ah the ol false dichotomy
>And how often does this happen? When really in the last 20 years have you ever straight up forgotten your phone?
All the time
>If you've lost your phone and your wallet then you probably wouldve lost your car keys too because you just got mugged
Leaving something at home isn't losing it
Why are you faggots like this?

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>>28886557
>god tier
>app
Retarded fucking nigger. Made me reply.
>>28886755
EVs would be actually good if their performance were anywhere near their claimed performance and they weren't always online ipads on wheels. Or maybe you just like giving money to oil dunecoons?

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>>28886618
>navigation automatically starts for the appointment you have in your calendar
Jesus fucking Christ

>>28886839
app based remote start has been around for like 15+ years
>And how often does this happen? When really in the last 20 years have you ever straight up forgotten your phone? You also still have the backup card in your wallet for emergencies.
far more often than I've lost my car keys. my fob is on my house keys so I don't see why I would ever leave without it
>It's not bluetooth but also bluetooth never just randomly "malfunctions"
so if you have no wifi/cell signal, the remote start breaks. cool.

also radios do die. but bluetooth is probably more reliable than cell/wifi, though at the cost of range

also everything >>28886845 said

>>28886845
>Why are they driving your car enough for this to matter?
It's okay anon, we already know you're a kissless friendless virgin
>ah the old false dichotomy
Is irrelevant anyway because it also seamlessly transitions for music via Bluetooth, unlike your retarded "e-Bluetooth-e connectad-a" chink adapter that needs to start up first
>All the time
The you'll also like the feature of the car notifying you that you're about to forget your phone in it.
>Leaving something at home isn't losing it
Ah the ol false dichotomy

>>28886822
Incelcoded post

>>28886852
You do know it's feature and you're not forced to use it? I find it pretty convenient when it's obvious I'm getting into my car to drive to an appointment or location during a roadtrip. I know NEETs like you don't know what thats like

>>28886860
>NEETs like you
I'm sorry, I'm not a retarded faggot who can't remember his appointments and needs everything to be connected to his McMobile.

>>28886864
Please enlighten me anon, what do you do on your car OS or phone before driving to an unknown destination you don't know the route to?

>>28886871
>car OS
I own cars, not mobile ipads.

>>28886845
>Why are they driving your car enough for this to matter?
It doesn't matter how often it is. If it's twice a year it's still better to have it than to not have it.
>All the time
You know that's a lie. Even if it was true it's not true for 99.9% of the population.
>Leaving something at home isn't losing it
You regularly leave your house without your phone or your wallet? Just grab nothing but a car key and go drive around without any money and hope you don't get pulled over because you don't have your license either?

>>28886873
>ignores the or statement and the question itself
Disingenuous retard

>>28886864
>I'm not a retarded faggot who can't remember his appointments
You must have a really good memory then. I write stuff down on the calendar in the kitchen all the time. No way I could remember the exact date and time of a dentists appointment made 6 months in advance.

>>28886854
>It's okay anon, we already know you're a kissless friendless virgin
? My friend and his wife invited me out to downtown for st patricks day and immediately some punk looking chick hit on me and literally wanted to make out in the bathroom
Then i told my friend's wife her feet are cute lol
Thn another cuter chick talked to me outside about how she likes listening to court cases while driving and likes hearing the judge say "order" but she couldn't remember the actual word
>inb4 tHeN eVeRyOnE cLaPpEd
I attribute it to my mustache as girls nevee usually approach me when my hair is this LONG
>unlike your retarded "e-Bluetooth-e connectad-a" chink adapter that needs to start up first
More false dichotomies... my car is definitely faster and more luxurious than your actual consumer slop
Why would I want my car to know ANYTHING about my phone's location?
It's not that I forgot it at home, it's that I don't need it and l don't care

>>28886883
Here's the thing: No one cares. You say
>No hate, but what does this mean?
It is then explained to you what it means. Dont ask for information and then argue with it when its provided. If you don't care, then whatever. No one asked what your thoughts on it were. It doesn't appeal to your incredibly specific and probably completely fabricated lifestyle and that's not my problem.

>>28886854
And you're the one that insinuated that leaving something at home is losing it somehow

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>>28886883
>Then i told my friend's wife her feet are cute lol
>I attribute it to my mustache as girls nevee usually approach me when my hair is this LONG

>>28886877
I'm not the faggot cockgobbler who unironically believes having so much shit connected to a dishwasher larping as a car is a good thing.
>>28886878
>You must have a really good memory then
Yes, I do actually but that's not important. The point is all this redundant shit does is balloon prices of nucars into the stratosphere because normalfags think more features = more premium item. Also all these nannies allow subhumans who should never even drive a car drive one. Couple that with distracted driving because Karen definitely needs to watch her gay cat tiktok videos and your chances of getting plowed into by a 50 000 lbs McTank increase exponentially.

>>28886892
>balloon prices of nucars
You wrote this in a thread where OP mentioned buying an electric car for 30k, which is incredibly cheap for nucar standards, both electric and conventional.

>>28886875
>Even if it was true it's not true for 99.9% of the population
Old people leave their phones at home constantly
>You regularly leave your house without your phone or your wallet? Just grab nothing but a car key and go drive around without any money and hope you don't get pulled over because you don't have your license either?
Yeah I'm fuckin HIGH, son

>>28886890
Delusional

>>28886894
Yes, 30k. You forgot to mention after gobumint gibs or whatever discounts. They aren't that cheap without them.

>>28886900
It's cute that you think traditional car companies don't get gibs. But when the consumer directly benefits from those gibs, suddenly it's a problem

>>28886897
>Old people leave their phones at home constantly
Why do I care? I shouldn't use a convenience feature because old people have fucking dementia? I guess I shouldn't use my refrigerator either because someone in Tennessee doesn't have electricity?

>>28886905
Are we talking about the price of OP's car or are you just going to move the goalpost?

>>28886886
I didn't ask that
>>28886845 this is my first post in this thread
evs are just ugly slow n gay as fuck
>probably completely fabricated lifestyle
Kek which part? Why the bizarre personal attacks because you bought a shitty appliance?

>>28886907
> Even if it was true it's not true for 99.9% of the population
>that isn't true THOUGH
>whaaaa nooo facts don't matter!!!

>>28886916
It is true though. I'm pretty confident that at any given moment, only 0.1% of cars on the road are being driven by elderly people with no cell phone.
You also didn't answer the question of why I should care. I'm the one driving my car and the one using my app on my phone. Other people not using a thing is not justification for the thing not existing. Otherwise nothing would exist. I don't need epinephrine or penicillin but I think they should still exist and people who need them should be allowed to habe them.

>>28886822
>>28886852
My few cents are:
Once you tried the competing solutions, you will see its not the same.

What sells it is how deep the streamlining go. And then you get a chinese loaner car for a few weeks, and it struggle with basic shit like detecting which key opens which driver door.
Or having broken satnav by default.

>>28886924
And retards using a thing is not justification for the thing existing

>>28886929
No one asked for those "solutions" THOUGH
My car NOT connecting to my phone ian't a problem

>>28886931
You didn't even explain why it supposedly is retarded

>>28886933
?
I've tried a few of those models where you don't even turn the key. They are kinda shit, and then the battery of the FOB tends to die without proper warning.
What you are complaining about is what you get if you try to buy the competing VAG or Chinese car. The reason it works for the Tesla is that its seamless, where on most cars the implementation is fiddly as fuck.

>>28886929
>streamlining
Nigger it's a car, not a home cinema or whatever dumb shit normalfags want a car to be

>>28886939
What part? Shitty interiors, ugly exteriors, slow, gay
Buying an appliance like that is just retarded to me
Hope that helps!

>>28886941
?
Keyless entry just werks in my BMW machinas

>>28886945
>Shitty interiors, ugly exteriors, slow, gay
You can tell when someone has realized they lost an argument when they start trying to change the topic. We're talking about the app. If you had good points to make about it then yo would make them. Trying to pivot the discussion to a different topic where you think can win on a different platform entirely is literally a female arguing tactic.

>>28886945
>slow
Where did this meme come from when in reality a Tesla smokes 99% of cars on the road?

>>28886953
No one's changing the topic? The topic is the tessie and how usgpmt+ it is
Who cares about a faggy app? This is an AUT/O/MOTIVE board

>>28886954
From them being slow as fuck?
Have you even driven a non-performance ev? They're made for technerdfags and soccer moms
Why would they be fast?

>>28886969
even shittiest ev's are fast.
like that tiny smart 42 ev.
little fuck could outjump my z20let swapped astra.

>>28886965
>The topic is the tessie
It's not. It's been about the app and maybe more loosely phone integration into cars. Tesla isn't the only car with an app these days, they just have the best app.

>>28886951
Lmao
No. It does the bare minimum. Sure "it works" in my ancient Passat Alltrack of as well, but its not implemented to do any of those other things that are functional.

>>28886987
the problem with app shit integration is in 5 years it will be gone and the car stuck with the rudimentary onboard systems.
I rather have a usable radio app in my car computer than android auto which is at the mercy of google.
Mobile standards are way to volatile to get finely integrated in a car. Like the SOS button in lots of cars relying on an EDGE modem and that getting turned off in the western world.
>your version is to old for android 20.0

>>28886987
>but its not implemented to do any of those other things that are functional.
To do what? They werk by unlocking the fucking doors, like a key would do, but they're inside my pocket, making them keyless entry

>>28886997
>in 5 years it will be gone and the car stuck with the rudimentary onboard systems
Thankfully Teslas have been working just fine for 10+ years

>>28886997
Correct.
If you bought a Nissan Leaf, then te app stopped working a few months ago. The same is true of a lot of other OEMs.
VAG is also going to nuke their support for their current lineup, if they can't get it properly integrated.

>>28887028
>VAG is also going to nuke their support for their current lineup
already happened, 2025 a6,a5,q5 run on dead end software, everything made after 02.2026 runs the new OS from the q3.
No new features, no qol bugfix, no app updates
>>28887012
they wont get that old anyway, but all remote features relying on celular will be broken somewhere after 2035 when 5g gets shutdown

>>28887032
>they wont get that old anyway
Do you think teslas only started rolling out yesterday? Retard

>>28887039
do you have any idea how far away 2035 is? They wont get that old because in a decade they will be completly obsolete.

>>28887050
>in a decade they will be completly obsolete
In what way?
That new cars in that year will have more battery capacity for a lower price - maybe.

>>28887057
>In what way?
bigger battery obviously.
Who will still sit on a 2015 tesla when one on the used market in 2035 will propably have 3 times the charging speed and range. The biggest improvement they can do to an ev is a tighter battery package, this is something they have a few generation of improvement left before the industry hits stagnation (on lion)

>>28886797
My brother bought a used Tesla that has grandfathered in unlimited Tesla supercharger network for free. Cool perk.

>>28887064
Who cares about that when any Tesla of today covers 99% of your needs just fine?

The 150hp cars didn't become obsolete upon the arrival of 300hp ones.

>>28887068
Why are euros only concerned with needs?
tessies are too shitty to be DESIRED by CAR enthusiasts

>>28887057
Correct.
Similarly there was a wave of early commuter BEVs. Think Nissan Leaf, Mitsubishi iMIEV, Smart, Renault Zoe, etc.

These still drive their commuter miles, quite well, even in current year. Some of them are going to require a few new battery cells, but its already a solved problem.
The same is going to happen to the Tesla. So long the chemistry is durable enough, That 300mile mint WLT is still going to be 200miles in nicer RL conditions even decades into the future. The real question are if the suspension wear and panel quality is going to keep enough of them at the road to get something like a VW Beetle status where there is actually enough working models and parts leftover.

This is interesting, because by this point you have people who bought various KIA BEVs, who by a mere 200.000km+, already has problem with cell instability.

>>28887071
CAR enthusiasts are a small minority of all car owners.

>>28887079
Ok, but this is an AUT/O/MOTIVE enthusuasts board

>>28887085
>>28887071
Peak delulu

>>28887090
>ebonics

>>28887071
A big electric car with 500km+ range for 30k€ during an oil crisis is pretty hard to beat, ngl.
It's literally twice as expensive to drive a fuel car vs an electric car right now, and that's using an extremely efficient fuel car as a baseline.

>>28887096
Who the FUCK is N.G.L.?!

>>28886557
>buys car
>first thing mentioned is apps
You're not european , but you are a moron

>>28886557
>>shit
>Frunk
what's wrong with the frunk? isn't it one of the bigger ones?

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>>28887195
They deliberately made the trunk smaller and non-waterproof on the smaller model. Nothing that 50 bucks of aftermarket rubber can't fix, but it's pretty retarded if you ask me.

>>28887207
>on the smaller model
On the standard model*

>>28886557
it's sooooo ugly

>>28887272
It's really not

>>28887067
>unlimited Tesla supercharger network for free
Man that is worth more than car itself these days especially if you live in apartment.

Similar here OP. Bought a 2023 RWD LFP model 3 early may (just got it delivered a day ago). 21500 for 30k miles. Drives like a dream, and i got 3 months of free supercharging/fsd (which i didn't expect on but is now a super nice bonus). Learning to lift foot of gas to brake and use regen is a bit of a different experience, and FSD is wild to use irl and see it actually working. Also an infotaiment system that actually works and is now a laggy slow piece of shit is something im still wrapping my head around.

>>28887307
True, how can a featureless fucking blob be ugly if it doesn't look like anything to begin with?

>>28887683
>I need muh heckin features so my car is slower when I drive it
The average car enthusiast everyone

>>28886557
Why didn't you paid extra and got the premium model y just curious
It imo cuts way too much compared to the normal model
And which cars did you considered before this
Model y standard would make a great police/fleet/taxi car though

>>28887725
>Why didn't you paid extra and got the premium model y just curious
In Germany it's just not worth it. In the US it's a no brainer because from what I was reading it only costs 5k more.
In Germany however, Tesla gives you 3k back if you buy the standard, while the base premium variant literally costs 13k more and no 3k back.
On top of that, you get a 0% interest rate loan on the base model, so you can blissfully drive your car for like 300 bucks a month until it's paid off in 5 years. Which is super advantageous when considering inflation and such.
So effectively, the premium variant costs like 16k more AND inflation on top

>>28887731
And honestly, the only things I miss are
>non-retarded frunk
>better speakers
>electronical backseats
>ambient lighting
Everything else I honestly don't see as a minus. Unsure about the glass roof that's covered up but desu might also be better in summer.
So I don't think those 4 things are worth 15k more

Bump

>wtaf
You forgot getting out of the xar alive when its burning

>>28888259
Tesla has emergency door handles for quite some time now. The front seat ones are even literally next to the window switches. You have to be borderline retard to not be able to get out nowadays.

>>28887735
You get LFP batteries that are indestructible and not a retarded spaceship front LED that annoys all traffic around you. Standard version of Y beats the shit out of the gaudy "premium" one.

>>28886557
I was looking into getting a model 3 and then i realised they stripped autopilot to fucking shit and are now forcign you to get FSD or else your car has lane keep assist and centering, which is what every decent car has had for 10 years now. pathetic

>>28889500
That's actually a good thing. Autosteer sucked and will always suck. Especially when you're just trying to drive normally and it keeps trying to yank the wheel away from you. The only thing it was good for was to help not crash whenever you needed to use the stupid touchscreen to go literally anything while driving. But once you get used to voice controls then you don't need to do that either

>>28889500
Get a Polestar 2. More practical, superior lane assist and adaptive cruise control.

>>28889752
>More practical,
How is it more practical?
>superior lane assist and adaptive cruise control.
Are those things worth 20k more?

>>28886583
>I find the old headlights pretty ugly and outdated.
I dont even own a tesla but that rear and the new front looks quite aesthetic to me

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>>28886604
I flat out refuse to sell our 2017 Trax because a- it's a manual, b- it has the tiniest LCD screen possible and c- it's the only place I can play a CD...

>>28889754
Polestar 2 has hatchback trunk which is always superior to shitty no opening sedan trunks.

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>>28890324
We're in a thread about the model y. I think there literally doesn't even exist a car of a similar size that doesn't get mogged by the model y in terms of trunk space

>>28890333
Yeah but fuck SUVs though. Giant monstrosities on the road. EVs are best in sedan form.

>>28886618
That all sounds like bullshit bloatware for boomers

>>28890717
Boomers hate anything tech related

>>28890717
>get in car
>press self drive
>car gets me there without doing anything

>>28886560
If you're going for a car like this, it's a very important factor. The digital creature comforts, etc..
Best to avoid it altogether, of course. I just have digital conveniences in gps and spotify..but I'm glad I still have real gauges and knobs for the most part.

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>>28886557
NO VEE EIGHT NO BUY
-Richard Johnson
95 grand sport 1 of 1 "baby shit" yellow
2016 GMC yukon (the wifes)

>>28891116
>"baby shit" yellow
post pics

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>>28891117
YEP HERE YA GO, SHES A BEUATY AINT SHE
-Richard Johnson
95 grand sport 1 of 1 "baby shit" yellow
2016 GMC yukon (the wifes)

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What went so wrong with Tesla designs? I remember the Model S just being an extremely cool looking sporty sedan with a practical hatchback opening. Now Model 3 looks like a weird fish and Model Y looks like a soap bar. Who wants to drive cars that look like that? I feel like we're getting ever closer to Homer Simpson's vision of the ideal car.

>>28891146
>Who wants to drive cars that look like that?
the Model Y is the best selling car in the world, so most car buyers?

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>>28891196
>you vill consoom all ze egg cars and you vill like it

>>28891198
nta but normalfags deserve fat ugly cars since they are also fat and ugly

>>28891146
It reminds me of something. I can't put my finger on it. Like a cross between an old Celica and when Buick town cars tried were real long and curvy at the end of the 90s. Either way. I agree. It looks lame.

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>>28891208
Oh wait. 1998 Taurus. This is getting closer. Still not quite the same though.

>>28891196
People are retarded so whatever. The RAV4 is also a monstrosity.

>>28891613
SUVs offer a lot of space inside, an elevated seat position - better viewt and easier to get in and out. A lot of space for cargo as well.
And I guess that the batteries in the Tesla keep the center of gravity fairly low...

>>28891613
The model y is one of the least retarded decisions you can make from a utility perspective, and I say that as a person who thinks musk is retarded
>cheap
>insane room
>insane storage space
>good range
>lots of convenience functions

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>be Tesla owner
>wake up and make coffee w/ my expresso machine
>wife’s boyfriend come down from the master bedroom and takes cup while drinking directly from the milk container, start on another cup
>wife’s boyfriend takes that as well making a joke how your wife would probably love one too
>get a message from your car telling you it has starting its scheduled climate controls
>panic because late for work and run to get ready
>get text message that your car has begun departing to you office
>sprint outside and make it just in time to wrestle the controls back from auto pilot
>listen to a pop punk cover of Taylor swift’s Antihero
>work your middle management job sending emails that harass your customers to do your work for them, organize it and send it to you so they can get insured
>cars texting you again threats it’s turned on for you, the dirty girl
>as you are about to clock out your mtf boss asks you to do xer a favor and heavily implies you will be fired if you refuse
>car lets you know it’s leaving for its next destination as you taking a hot load or the face
>well at least you know where it’s going and it will be nice to walk for a change
>trek 3.6 miles to your favorite after work Gastro Pub and have a Quatruppe IPA to wash your superiors girl cum out of your mouth
>phones dies from getting blown up from your clingy slut of a car
>luckily you can get in using a key the size of your wallet that goes in your wallet
>car starts trying to direct you to nearest dealership as you charge your phone
>can finally turn on air conditioner after 5% charge and two factor authentication
>make it home to find everyone went to dinner and they left you pizza pockets and dinosaur nuggets in the freezer
>spend the whole night playing Fortnite in VR

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>>28891833
>wanting less moving parts so your car doesn't easily break down is LE BAD
>preferring function over form is LE BAD
>preferring a just werks MacBook that mogs anything and everything for its form factor over a winjeet ai slop laptop is LE BAD

>>28891833
This is a generalization.
Even in ICE cars plastic engine covers have taken over, signalling that what happens below is "magic" and should not bother mere mortals. How many car owners know about the technical details of their car? I bet many don't even know how many gears their automatic has.
I like electric motors, inverters, batteries, I also can appreciate the technology in engines.

>>28891865
I hate everything Apple with passion.
I hate the faggotry and the idea to make technology relatable to literal retards.

>>28891943
You clearly have no idea about tech

>>28891833
This is ironic considering a Macbook is 100 times more durable than any Windows laptop. I know people who still rock their early 2010's Macbooks just fine.

>>28891833
I drive my model 3 without FSD and love the shit out of it. Like, anyone who likes cars and doesn't like electric is flat out dumb. The acceleration these things have is boner inducing (even gas supercars often cant match a fucking model 3 sedan for acceleration), and cornering feels fun as fuck in my rwd 3 since the battery is dead center creating a super stable center of gravity.

>>28892367
Don't forget gascarfags can't even comprehend the levels of instant throttle feedback electric cars have

Final bump

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Get an i4 instead. More fun, more reliable. More practical. Cooler design. Won't blind other drivers in traffic with obnoxiously intensive LED headlights.

>>28893347
And like the Polestar 2 has a hatchback instead of the gay tiny and useless trunk of Model 3. BMW i4 is functionally an SUV in trunk space and opening once you take down the rear seats. It's incredibly practical.

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>>28892433
>comprehend the levels

>>28893347
>>28893368
Yeah just ignore that a base model i4 costs more than a fully optioned MY and has less hp and range

>>28886557
Isn't FSD banned in Europe? That's the main reason to buy a Tesla and your retarded politicians won't even let you use it lmao. Europe has become a joke.

>>28893509
Not so much banned as won't be approved until it works.
That truck won't be approved until it is "pedestrian safe".

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>>28891833
>$500 self built pc
That's not even going to cover the cost of your RAM kek.

>>28893509
>That's the main reason to buy a Tesla
It really isn't, musktard. The main reason to buy a Tesla is price competitiveness and even musk understands that, which is why the base model y costs 30k in yurop.

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>>28893513
>my politicians decide when I get to use new technology
Just admit that you and your countrymen are all cucks. I've been using FSD daily for the past 6 months and it's worked 100% perfectly during that time. 8 billion total FSD miles driven with a grand total of TWO fatalities, both caused by beta versions of FSD.

>>28893520
In what country is that?

>>28893526
The only country that matters (America).

>>28893527
Stick it up your bum.
Bribery is the main way America makes its way into foreign markets (that and killing people). Perhaps Tesla ought to start Paying people to certify their cars as safe.
It worked for Lockheed.

>>28893520
>a grand total of TWO fatalities
Nobody is falling for your "disengage FSD milliseconds before crash" trick, Elon.
>As of October 2025 sixty-five reported fatalities since 2022

>>28893533
>Stick it up your bum
Did you get permission from the Labour party to go online today?

>>28893545
Did you have to google what government I have because I have fo F* idea. It'll be some rich Paki or a no brain in No 10.

>>28893432
Quality costs. Temu prices gives you Temu car.

>>28893791
It's the same with many Chinese products ime. They actually do make some good things in some fields, but you still pay for it.