What happened to them?
>>28891591seem to be doing fine to me. kind of slimmed down and simplified. not dozens of models like they used to have. kind of realized their identity is mostly trucks or suvs. all while they're still the last holdout on offering an affordable v8 sports car.
What do you mean? They're by far the best of the "big 3"
>>28891591You're going to have to be more specific on "what" you're talking about because Fords are solidly 'fine' as far as nu-cars go. Probably better than the equivalent GM or Chrysler at a given price point. If you're complaining about how they went from making cool sedans to gay SUVs, well, I'm afraid to break the news that so did every other manufacturer. At least the Mustang is still a thing.
>>28891600I just wanted a sedan bro>>28891602Why do people keep telling me they're not reliable?>>28891604So am I the only one who is fed the idea that Ford isnt reliable and that theyve fallen off as a brand? If I've been in an echo chamber I'd like to know because I really want a Fusion or Focus but I keep hearing that newer Fords have a lot of electrical and transmission issues. Where did the FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily shit come from?
>>28891604>If you're complaining about how they went from making cool sedans to gay SUVsI think they need to bring back the excursion. Is anyone making a decent full sized SUV on a 3/4 or one ton chassis with a diesel anymore?
>>28891608>Where did the FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily shit come from?Malaise-Era unreliability that admittedly plagued literally every American (and English) automaker of the time. Alot of that was car dude banter and heckling people over what they drove. Ford was an easy target since they were probably the most popular single brand in the continental US (whereas GM and Chrysler's products and customers were split between alot more brands) it's a simple name and that made acronyms easier. "Chevrolet" by contrast doesn't lead itself as easily to acronyms; the only one I know off the top of my head is "Cracked Heads, Every Valve Rattles, Oil Leaks, Engine Ticks." Also Pontiac.
it's a real shame they had to go and royally fuck up the RSoutside of the Mustang it looks like they're just a trugg and pigfat SUV brand now
Fuck, OurRide, Destroyed!
>>28891625>>28891608>I just wanted a sedan broI get the feeling that they'll start rolling out new cars again, but in their upcoming UEV platform. Probably not what you want to hear.
Ford's entire lineup is pretty solid now, what's the problem? They have gained an identity for work trucks and "fun" lifestyle SUVs (escape discontinued in favor of bronco sport).They have the best NA gas truck engines. The EcoBoosts have been reliable too.
>>28891591a combination of things 1. they had probably one of the worst CEOs at one of the worst times in automotive history (Jim Hackett during Covid). He was an aggressive cost cutter and made almost everything cheaper under his watch. He dropped models which reduced market share (Fusion, Focus). The CD6 Explorer was supposed to be Ford’s “do it all” platform of the future, underpinning Mustangs, Continentals, and a new small pickup, instead it got heavily decontented with only one model. 2. Under Hackett they blew out anyone at or near retirement age and replaced them with younger cheaper people. When you lose a transmission engineer with 30 years experience even the sharpest mid 30s guy with 10 years experience can’t replace the tribal knowledge that left.3. Under Hackett, they were soft taken over by folks from Silicon Valley, who came from Apple, or Google, or Tesla, or wherever. These people did not live in Detroit, nor had they worked in automotive by and large (Tesla is the exception). The belief was that they could make cars like they made phones, which is impossible because cars are extremely heavily regulated. Tesla succeeded in this space really only because of Elon disguising recalls as “software updates.” And since these people made bad calls over and over again (we’ll fix it in production), and didn’t live in Detroit, it caused a tremendous amount of friction with the legacy folks who are used to launching a finished product.4. the car as a computer concept (which ford deemed FNV4) was a complete and utter failure. The idea was to replace individual ECUs with central computers. Ford invested nearly 20B into that venture only to largely scrap it. And pretty much everyone that worked on it got fired.5. Ford is hemorrhaging money in both Europe and China, for various reasons, but China was seen as the golden goose where they would make all their money. Now their only way of turning profits is with F150s
>>28891591>>28892992The company in general has been stagnant since 2018, and in the years thereafter. And frankly Ford pre-covid was best in class with a lot of their cars. They still make good cars, but if you buy an EcoBoost F150 today, it doesn’t feel all that different from a 2021. And since most of the engineering/money was focused on FNV4, the core products haven’t gotten the investment they would’ve needed.And even though I’ve blamed CEOs, the CEOs are realistically just mouthpieces for the Ford family. They only stepped back and kept their hands off when SHTF in 2007 and they let Mulally run the show.
>>28891591Mogged by Tesla and the chinks
>>28892999This. The lineup seems frozen in time and even the current Mustang is just a reheated S550. Their clown CEO keeps trying to pretend he’s Elon by hinting at future vaporware like the “Mustang Sedan” or “Maverick based van” for years and nothing has come to fruition. The Escape is gone and their marketshare is shrinking everywhere. This isn’t even including Lincoln which I’m not sure Ford itself realizes still exists. Lol
>>28893814>This isn’t even including Lincoln which I’m not sure Ford itself realizes still existsFord has only cared about Lincoln twice in history. First was when it was bought so that Edsel could exercise his "homosexual" ideas like style and color on cars instead of a real mans car that's a farm implement painted black.Second time was in the Seventies when Lincoln was used to build the cars that HFII liked best, large, black, four door cars with good power. He was said to have considered that as the car of a mature adult and since he maintained control of the authorization for production for each model every year that's what they gave him to authorize. Lincoln has been an afterthought since.
>>28893814>Their clown CEO keeps trying to pretend he’s Elon by hinting at future vaporware like the “Mustang Sedan” or “Maverick based van” for years and nothing has come to fruition.I think it'll eventually happen. They're making a whole new EV platform to tick all the boxes, which seems to be ready for next year. The bad news is they canceled the Lightning (bad for their owners at least) and the Mach E is their remaining EV in the meantime...which has an older, less capable platform than this new one apparently. They're not throwing Mach E owners under the bus like the Lightning, but it kind of entails they'll probably do it eventually. I can't see why they wouldn't move it to that new platform eventually too.Lot of false starts with the whole EV thing.
>>28891608>Why do people keep telling me they're not reliable?They're not. Still better than GM and Chrysler(Stelantis)
>>28891591I blame the UAW.
>>28893814Four door manual mustang is an instant buy for me, not gonna lie
There so fucked when the mild hybrid systems start to fail. Imagine all that crap for only 20 mpgs
>>28891608Ah yes, the good old electrical issues. As soon as somebody trots that old canard out you know it's a "Them" problem.
I wanted to like Ford so bad. I bought a S550 Mustang GT and while the engine and noise it produced was amazing, the quality of the car was not. Cheap plastics used everywhere that creak and groan with temperature changes or going over bumps. Rattles aplenty. Panel gaps. Paint that chips if you look at it. Mechanically the car was solid though I do suspect it had timing chain rattle. Not sure how serious it because I sold it before it could become a problem. That being said myself and the previous owners maintained it very wellIn terms of the rest of their line up… Ford is using wet belts a lot and their transmissions, well some of them convert to Islam and some don’t. Hit or miss. I’ll never own a Ford as long as they keep using wet belts
>>28894180They interiors look cheap, but they're pretty tough. Appearance does improve on premiums somewhat, but not by much.
They abandoned aeromaxxing.
>>28894733I think it just turned out to be easier to aeromax than initially thought, so everything doesn't have to be raindrop-shaped to get very good aero. But that would be cooler than the egg blobs we have now.
Ford was never known for build quality or reliability outside of one or two cars. Getting rid of the Crown Vic was also a giant mistake.
>>28894742>Ford was never known for build quality or reliability outside of one or two cars.Wrong, wrong, and even more wrong
>>28891608>Where did the FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily shit come from?Ford's are reliable if you're somewhat mechanically inclined. If you're knowledge is limited, they can be a nightmare the moment any issue comes up. Can be said about any modern American car though.
>>28891591This is the only blue oval I care about
>>28891751The killed the Focus and Fiesta.
>>28891600They seem to be getting better. The new CEO is currently fixing everything James Hackett wrecked.
>>28891608Ford's MO is to design the parts around the vehicle which results in a lot of platform and model-specific equipment that can't bew used elsewhere. they also tend to reengineer things frequently leading to large changes in platform architecture without changing the styling much if at all, making their cars occasionally frustrating and confusing to work on.for example: the front alignment adjustment screws on the Panther platform - if you are working on different model years of crown vic you'll find these two toe and camber screws by the strut towers but if you look in the service manual the definition of what screw does which seems to flip-flop every year or so. in reality neither screw allows any adjustment, they are meant to be loosened, the wheel manhandled into alignment, then tightened again.basically ford has ambitious engineering that often ends up being rubbish and they spend the rest of the platform's generational life trying to fix it. contrast this with gm who does the opposite and engineers things to be as simple, robust, and obvious as possible and chrysler who tends to design cars around equipment packages rather than the other way around leading to easy repairability and lots of shared parts but inconsistent quality.
>>28894815The Focus lives on. It's just called the Maverick, Bronco Sport and Transit van now.
>>28895036Some are also trying to make the Mustang ecoboost into the affordable tuning machine. Even straight from the factory with the RTR version.
>>28895036You joke but me being a retard, I actually want a Maverick and/or a Bronco Sport despite having a Mk4 ST Focus. They each cost something around 20k-30k ish in bong bucks. But it would be a foreign car with no support over here and it being stuck in LHD because who the fuck would convert a basic economy vehicle.I just like the C2 platform.
>>28891591they forgot their historyford was big 3 in usa, while also being whatever in europe. you couldnt compare a ford designed in germany and mass produced in uk or turkey to one made in usa.totally different markets, and the north amerikan one being far less in quality.today they are cutting down in europe and upping it on trucks in usa.thats not what the masses want, they want a mondeo diesel that can haul 2500kg..
>>28891591>What went wrong?Nothing at all. They're the only Detroit brand that's actually worth a damn.
>>28891608>Where did the FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily shit come from?QA programs for pre-90s wasn't really a thing. Ford outsold every other American manufacturer twofold. GM and Chevy combined don't crack their sales numbers. With that volume what are you more likely to see when there is a broken down vehicle on the road? Ironically Ford sacrificed performance in later years to meet smog and emissions requirements resulting in total Chevy dominance since the EPA fucks you on fleet numbers. Fusions and Focus are actually really reliable sedans. The Focus DCT will shit on you eventually, but the manual has been the same transmission since the 90s and it'll take a massive beating. Can't go wrong with either the SE 5speed or the ST 6 speed.
