Are these really the only modern cars worth buying on the market right now? I want a fun car for this winter or early next year and got around 50-60k euros budget and it's between a brand new RS3 or a used Giulia Quad, I only care about quarter mile times, being around 1600kg or less and being able to reach 300kph either stock or with a simple ECU tune. Cars will only be used for road trips across germany or for winter funzies so the relative reliability is irrelevant to me. I don't like german cars in general so BMW or other Audi models aren't appealing to me and I'd sooner buy chink shit than pay any of my money for a M*rcedes, so unless Toyota comes out with a VERY good value proposition in the next Supra it seems I got nothing to pick besides these 2 models. GR Yaris is nice and all but I can't stand the new interior and I doubt it will get anywhere close to 300kph without gearbox work
Giulia is 1700 kg but is far superior.
>>28893011Google says it tops out at 1620kg depending on options but either way the rear seats are going out and I'll probably get a fancy lighter exhaust once the initial financial shock is gone
Giulia has fixed pedal shifters which ruins the entire car. Giulia doesn’t come with AWD. Giulia is cramped as shit. Giulia has beautiful steering feedback though so I’ll give her that
>>28893005Model 3 performance
>>28893038I was gonna say I'll try to get a manual giulia but it seems they stopped making them around 2018 or at least I can't find any for sale. sad
>>288930Yeah i'm taking the V6 with rear wheel driveAll Audis drive like econ shitboxes front/fag-wheel drive feel the same. You'll have plenty of chance for fag-wheel drive after non EV's are illegal.
>>28893376delusional
>>28893005>50-60k eurosyou can get tesla for that
>>28893398Honestly didn't expect that. Where are the M2, Supra, GT on that list though? How the fuck is it above the GT3 RS 4?RS3 is the type of car I fully expect a CTR to smoke on the track.
>>28893614Track time comparisons are shit. You don't know the track conditions, different driver skill, and different tires
>>28893132diesel manuals are widely available. strengthen the clutch and a few other mods and you can get pretty good horsepower out of them safely. here's two manual QVs for sale:https://www.goo-net.com/usedcar/spread/goo/16/700973000230260326001.htmlhttps://www.goo-net.com/usedcar/spread/goo/13/700957010130260312001.html
>>28893614nurburgring is a fast track, not much needed in terms of braking. so if you have a high HP car it'll do well. plus everything >>28893659 said.
>>28893586But that's gay as fuck.
>>28893614the M2 is right there on that list
>>28893705everything’s is documented. and that list is for unmodified, road legal production cars
>>28893614>How's it faster than a GT3 RSBecause the 997 is about 20 years old.
>>28893849not as gay as small Audi tho
>>28893038>Giulia doesn’t come with AWDall the Veloce versions are AWD what the fuck are you talking about
>>28894433OP said QV. There’s no Q4 QV
>>28893005Can't imagine having to pick from rentals exclusively holy shit I'm so blessed
>>28894433>>28894598QV stelvio is AWD.
>>28894664Yeah but then you're getting a crossover.
>>28893005five wordsbmw m3 touring competition xdrive
>>28894664>op asks about Giulia QV>brings up an SUV>>28894710gets rekt by rs3 though as shown in this very post >>28893398
