Will Tesla dominate the semi truck market?
>>288935011pbtid bait thread fuck youno, batteries are too heavy, they eat into the maximum legal weight of the truck. this means they have less weight for payload. no, you can't fix this by more power, power is not the issue.this is why edison motors has a chance, because they have small batteries, and smaller diesels than traditional semis. the weight is very similar to a traditional semi, so the max payload load is very similar.shipping needs the economies of scale that come with heavy payloads, truckers won't use tesla trucks because they will make less money. sure, ev trucks are easier to drive, but these are not commuter vehicles, they are work vehicles, ease of use comes second to practicality. the utility isn't there outside of a few companies, for exclusively short distance shipping, and with light payloads. i think lays uses them for shipping chips or something, which are mostly air so it works, pretty much the only use case
>driver's seat in the middleNo.
>>28893519Diesel prices in California are $7/gallon now. At 7 mpg that's $1 per mile for a diesel semi truck. Meanwhile with CA electricity prices of $0.30 per kWh the Tesla semi is $0.15 per mile.
>>28893519>no, batteries are too heavy, they eat into the maximum legal weight of the truck. this means they have less weight for payload.Not an issue, all they'll do is lobby for an increase in the weight restriction for ET's.Lefties will vote for it because 'muh environment'.Righties will vote for it because it's good for business.
>>28893519>this is why edison motors has a chance, because they have small batteries, and smaller diesels than traditional semisyeah how come diesel electric hybrid isn't more common on trucks? it seems to work great for trains
>>28893501far less maintenance, and soon no driver required. diesels have so much shitty emissions equipment that breaks all the time, a lot of operators are going to switch just to not have to deal with it.>>28893539a mechanical transmission is more efficient in highway driving. the only time an electric transmission is more efficient is if it's coupled with a battery and there's a decent amount of driving with regen. trains use electric transmissions for reliability, not efficiency.
>>28893539>yeah how come diesel electric hybrid isn't more common on trucks? it seems to work great for trainsIt's inefficient on a small scale.
>>28893534yes but the tesla semi carries almost nothing, and makes no money>>28893537true, but that hasn't happened yet and tesla semis have been around for a long time. it is a hard sell for voters and states because even heavier trucks mean even more dangerous crashes. they'll cost the state more in road maintenance as well. not everything is possible with lobbying, but only time will tell. for now, they are not viable
>>28893585>>true, but that hasn't happened yetIt happened in Europe. Electric semis are allowed 42t instead of 40t. Tesla semis however aren't available there, instead you have regular manufacturers like Volvo/Renault, DAF, Mercedes, MAN, Iveco etc producing electric trucks.
>>28893585>>28893534also stating electricity prices is disingenuous. these trucks will not be charged at a home charger practically ever. when gas is back to normal, charging at charging stations is actually more expensive than gas. aging wheels did a video where he calculated it all out. also, this truck has a much larger battery than a regular ev, this takes a lot longer to charge. this is not just an inconvenience in the trucking industry, that charging time is costing money. tesla claims 60% of range in 30 minutes. because they don't disclose the percentages that is from, it probably is 0-60%. assuming 10-80% (normal range that evs are measured in), its probably gonna be something like 45 mins, maybe more. this is time the trucker is not being paid. this will mean shipping gets more expensive to offset this time, and won't really be brought down by cheaper energy either.also, assume extended range model, 500 mile claimed rangelets say it can do 400 in the real world, now add a trailer. trailer footprint will probably halve the range. 200 miles. 3 hours of driving is all you get before needing to charge. this will mean that a truckers day will have 3 charges in a day. assuming 45 minutes to charge, that is 2 hours and 15 minutes that the trucker is not being paid, out of a 10 hour day. that's not 10 hours of driving time, that is 10 hours total that you are allowed to drive within. an effective 20% pay decrease. this is not worth it in america>>28893592i didn't know about this. good on europe. europe is also a different beast though, quickly searched up volvo semis, and they're advertising 275 miles of range. this allows trucks to be lighter and probably works for short distance european shipping, but like i said above there's no chance it would work for long haul trucking in americaalso euro gas is fucking insane it was like $17/gal when i was there last summer, can't imagine how much it costs now
>>28893519>truckers won't use tesla trucks because they will make less money.If you produce your own electricity, which is very feasible for logistics companies, you can operate them a lot cheaper. In Europe electric trucks have tolls reduced or waived entirely which makes them very competitive since diesel is more expensive.
>>28893603>probably works for short distance european shippingYou can use them for trips over thousands of km. Truckers have to take a 45min break every 4.5h in Europe so you can use that for charging. US is apparently only 30min per 8h so it's less practical.Battery size is somewhere around 500 kWh. The charging curves are usually fairly straight so you can pull 300-400 kW the entire time. With an average of 1kW/km and a speed limit of 80km/h you won't get much further either way. Megawatt charging is starting to get rolled out as well.>these trucks will not be charged at a home charger practically ever. It depends on your distribution. The companies can have their own hubs across the country or share them with competitors instead of completely relying on CPO.
>>28893603the 500 mile range is with max trailer weight
>>288935012 more weeks
>>28893534thats just consumer price, enterprise and retail electrical price is cheaper
>>28893628>Truckers have to take a 45min break every 4.5h in Europe so you can use that for charging.>US is apparently only 30min per 8h so it's less practical.Now you can lobby for workers rights and conditions, more breaks = charging timeIt'll also make Americans feel safer on the roads knowing their truckers are well rested...
>>28893836>are well rested...They already are. They're methheads.
