>3.0 Upgraded Duratec V6>AWD>Manual Gearbox>Quicker than a E46 330i to 60>Wood and Cream Leather>Literally good enough for a Head of State to use as her personal car
>>28894576Because it had a bootlegged version of an already bootlegged version of an amazing aluminum V6, with added defects from ford.I saw one of these the other day and the 3.0 badge and literally cringed thinking about the crappulent ford pos engine
Betty didn't have numberplates and had the honkingest horn in London.Rest well Boss.
>>28894579>Because it had a bootlegged version of an already bootlegged version of an amazing aluminum V6, with added defects from ford.Explain?
>>28894576>Literally good enough for a Head of State to use as her personal carbased Elizabeth
>>28894628She was a 10 in her youth
>>28894609Porsche engineering had drawn up a 60 degree V6, but Porsche doesn't do V6, and they had VAG if they ever needed one so they sold the design, Suzuki and Mazda pitched in and bought it, and then did their own japanese treatment to them to make them reliable and economical, resulting in Mazda K and Suzuki H engines. In 1990, Mazda partner Ford got mad because all they had were iron 2 valve boat anchors for 6 cyl cars. But the Mazda KL was too expensive for Ford to want to make, what with high quality alloy, forged parts and induction hardening and micropolishing processes. So Ford quickly cobbled up a much cheaper, crappier Al V6, the 'duratec 2.5'. Years later Ford demanded rights to the 'Porsche V6' papers, forbade mazda from continuing development and the rest is history. Then Cyclone, then Ecoboost etc, while Mazda was left with nothing but an intl 4 cyl, which Ford insisted on OEMing all the parts for, so they all said FoMoCo on them and were of reduced quality. Then they memory holed the entire story, wiki was washed over a decade ago at least
>>28894576>Quicker than a E46 330i to 60Citation needed.
>Ford build quality
>>28894701>Porsche engineering had drawn up a 60 degree V6, but Porsche doesn't do V6, and they had VAG if they ever needed one so they sold the design, Suzuki and Mazda pitched in and bought it, and then did their own japanese treatment to them to make them reliable and economical, resulting in Mazda K and Suzuki H engines.This is 100% wrong, Mazda already had their own KL V6 in cars on the road by the time Ford was buying the 2.5L design from Porsche.>But the Mazda KL was too expensive for Ford to want to makeFord literally sold the KL through their Mazda partnership in the Probe GT. >So Ford quickly cobbled up a much cheaper, crappier Al V6, the 'duratec 2.5'. Years later Ford demanded rights to the 'Porsche V6' papers, forbade mazda from continuing development and the rest is history.Ford bought the design for a V6 that Porsche was already developing in the late '80s/early '90s as a "base engine" for the V8 powered 968. It's why they use the same main bearing design. Also, the Duratec25 was in use half a decade before Jag got their AJ version.
>>28894729Not sure what you're arguing, I don't think you were even alive when this was happening. Anything Porsche that ford used first came throgh Mazda who bought the blueprints. This is in the late 80s.I know the KL was sold in the Probe, and it was also sold in the Ford badged mazda clones in RoW markets. Ford never manufactured the engines, and they never manufactured the cars they came in either. Can you imagine that? All those RoW ford badged mazdas were all made in mazda factories, including AutoAlliance, which was always a mazda plant. Ford built t heir mustang there too, just for the slightly better qc.>ford bought the design late 80s early 90sPorsche was done with selling it to mazda before the 80s even finished. Tead my post again, anything "AJ" is two full generations after the fact.>ford lied goyim died
I should add when this deal was happening, mazda allegedly gave VAG their W12 engine from Amati as part of the deal
>>28894576Very expensive ford mondeo/fusion.Betty also drove the agrarian defender tho the L322 range rover to this day still the best pick
>>28894576Wealthy won't touch 'em because they're not new enough for clout and poors won't touch 'em because lolJaguar.If the poor decides it'll be a fun larp anyway, it's FWD based. Why have economyslop if you want a Jaaaag?About the only real issue with them, besides incompetent mechanics and the breakdown maintenance of prior owners, was that they eat PTU's like chips so you bought AWD but got FWD instead. Assuming the PTU didn't completely shit the bed and immobilize the car. Which happens a lot too.
>>28894576Jaguars are exclusively purchased by chain smoking grandmas, who coincidentally are very loyal to their vehicles so they almost never enter the used market. I do like them, but I have no expectation to ever drive one.
>>28894701>In 1990, Mazda partner Ford got mad because all they had were iron 2 valve boat anchors for 6 cyl cars. But the Mazda KL was too expensive for Ford to want to makeThis seems extremely far fetched. Especially since Ford previously produced the S.H.O. with consultation from Yamaha that was far more powerful. Not to mention Ford switched from the 40 year old small block to the new SOHC Modular V8s the same year the K8 debuted in '91 and the DOHC Modular debuted along with the KL in '93. Ever since the introduction of the thoroughly modern Taurus in the '80s Ford was on a path to modernizing their lineup and powertrains. You're also forgetting that the 2.5 was developed for the Mondeo that replaced the Sierra which already used a 60ยบ V6. >>28894729>This is 100% wrong, Mazda already had their own KL V6 in cars on the road by the time Ford was buying the 2.5L design from Porsche.Ford used both Cosworth and Porsche as consultants for the development of the Duratec. Just like Suzuki and Mazda used Porsche as consultants for their small V6s and their VRIS system. Ford didn't buy a design that was already in progress.>>28895115>Anything Porsche that ford used first came throgh Mazda who bought the blueprints. This is in the late 80s.Both came from Porsche Consulting GMBH. Jobs like this is how they stayed afloat before Boxters and Cayannes were making them profitable.
>>28895299>this seems far fetchedEverything isnt as it seems. The Yamaha was a Yamaha. Ford only was willing to build it for limited production, definitely too cheap to put that in a run of the mill Taurus or Exploder. Also the Taunus Mondeo V6 was an ancient piece of shit based on a V4 boat anchor. What garbage that engine lineup was. Modular, etc lol. Have you seen the valvetrain on that thing? Just being OHC doesnt mean they made a KL clone from it. I remember everything about this deal because I lived it resl time and worked at Ford dealer, so I saw these engines real time and thought it ws hilarious that there was this new 2.5 crappy version KL. I dont know what ford was doing, it was like a cartoon engine with random pulleys up by the valve cover and random popping steam valves haha>both came from porscheYea, but porsche wasnt reselling this engine for decades, they went out of the picture when Mazda and Suzuki bought it. Ford doesnt want people to know they bootlegged the mazda engine, they would rather have people think they got it right from porsche, so they've been pushing misinfo for like 20 years
>>288947013.7 Duratec is a fantastic engine, put some respect on it you pederast. One of the few good engines FoMoCo has ever put out.
>>28895583>Modular, etc lol. Have you seen the valvetrain on that thing? Just being OHC doesnt mean they made a KL clone from it.How is the Duratec a KL clone? They don't have any interchangeable parts; they have the same displacement, that's it. The Duratec has an intake manifold like the old S.H.O. without the crossover tube compared to the KLs VRIS intake that's more like a varioram intake on a 993. But I was talking about you saying Ford didn't want to invest in powertrains or that KLs were too expensive to make; not saying the modular was related to the KL. Clearly that's not the case since they were debuting the SOHC and DOHC modulars to replace their tried and true 40 year old small block around the same time. The 4V Modular blocks were being cast in Italy by Teksid; the company that did Ferrari blocks then shipped back to America to be put in Lincolns and eventually Mustangs. The Mondeo/Contour was Fords first world car so they wanted their own modern engine to put in the car.
>>28895687>random Ford moronYou have some respect for your predecessors you little bitch>intake manifold like a sho3.0, 3.7, 3.5 intake manifold of a KL, duratec 2.5 ladder IM is similar to a 1992 Mazda JE DOHC, not just a Sho. Either way ford is a copycat loser that rather pockets their money than invest on engineering. > muh modulardenial is a brutal thing. Work on one.>interchangeable partsaThey're 2 generations behind, they would never have interchangeable parts, not just because of the state of the industry but mostly becuase ford is going to choose their own suppliers. Obviously. Fudging an already solid engine design is the order of the day, and it has nothing to do with ford shitty modulars and their own attempts at OHc. Ford is a rich and lazy fucking company, who cares only about optics, and will lie and rewrite unofficial history to protect it. Many such cases.Ford spent decades building their entire bread and butter off of other peoples engineering as soon as they suddenly got good. Left on their own, without mazda, without cosworth, without volvo, wihout yamaha they woiod still be pushing shitty essex and vulvan engines and screwing with turd 4 cyls like lima and HSC or whatever the fuck. Shit company, hate em
>>28896879>You have some respect for your predecessors you little bitchStupid retard.web.archive.org/web/20180521153746/http://wardsauto.com/news-analysis/ford-motor-co-duratec-35-35l-dohc-v-6
>>28896879>They're 2 generations behind, they would never have interchangeable partsThe KLDE debuted in '93 and the Duratec debuted in '94, are you actually retarded Anon? Also again the Mazdas used VRIS while the Ford used the same IMRC from the S.H.O. You seemingly have no mechanical knowledge and just have a raging Ford hate boner.
>>28894576You forgot its biggest flaw It's Br*tish
>>28897179K engine, all displacements, hit the market in 91. Thats plenty of time for ford to make a fudged cheap clone in case that was the point you were trying to make. I lived it in real time. Ford guys are always the dumbest, I remember probetalk lol.>muh intake manifoldsWhat are you trying to prove? There were 6 different IMs used on K engines. 2.5 duratec manifold is hardly unique, but it sure had to be different so it wouldnt be such an obvious rip off the K. As soon as the K was phased out, Ford went back to the K clone mani. denial is a hell of a thing.Bottom line, ford is a faggot company that has to to pinch engineering from much smaller, much less profitable companies, because they actually have talent, while all ford has is money and marketing.>>28897077>ford propagandaWork on the engines, stop pulling up your faggy wiki. Do yo u even know what bore size the KL had? Do you know what a common bore size of Porsche engines at the time were? Miss me with that wiki shit.>>28897077
>>28897192It's a ford mondaeo.
>>28897267>It's a ford mondaeo.Based
>>28897311mk1 Mondeo in BTCC they yanked the Duratec and dropped in a Cossie tuned KL and proceeded to dominate. Didn't miss the rs500 at all m8youtu.be/hFVlJlytcGc
>>28894576It wasn't faster than an E46 330iIt was FWD based so all you'd get is understeerDisgusting design both outside and on the insideBootleg Ford with Jaguar quality
>>28897267which is a British car
>>28894576its a ford taurus
