>be me>want new car last year>miss window on dealer incentives, pay out the ass for it>make the mistake of getting automatic>hmm I can always trade it in later>ask about trade in value at the end of summerThey offered me $39,000 on a $48,000 car, not including taxes that only had 7k km on it. I put it away over the winter and went back to ask again today and they're offering me $35k for it, I know they're going to list it for $45k and then throw bullshit fees on top so after negotiation the real price is $45k. They're going to pocket $10,000 on a single car sale while the manufacturer makes like $1000 on the new car.Whats worse is that on the trade in they're going to pocket $10,000 on the old car and then try to get another $3-4k out of you on the new car. I walked in just wanting to know the value of my old car to see if it makes sense to trade in and they go straight to asking for all my personal info to throw together a bill of sale with as much fees as they can and then they act surprised when I point out it's going to cost $17,000 just to change to a one year newer, lower trim car. >but anon look at the monthly fees, I gave you the low feesI want to hang every salesman that says monthly payment, the first time I had to tell them like 6 times that I don't care about the monthly payment, what is the total cost going to be??>but anon 3 years like you askedMy current finance is up in 2 years, an extra year of payment is 17 fucking thousand dollars. At some point this industry went from customer service to just scalping people for as much as humanly possible.
>>28896052These guys have grown so fat on the margins that the place was absolutely filled to the brim with salesman, I mean like 10 salesman at least. I remember during covid when I bought my first car that there was like two people working and they gave me a discount with like zero effort on my part after I test drove all three trims of the car.Afterwards I wanted a second car and went in three separate times over three years asking for a test drive, every time they said they would get back to me and never did. I had to remind the salesman I talked to him before years ago. These guys need a shock like covid and to loose their jobs. They put in zero effort and expect margins of 25% and for you to just sign a paper saying you'll fork over $17,000 right away.
>>28896052Next time use Carvana
>Car dealerships are a systematic method for making you suffer financially. They are protected by laws lobbied for by the manufacturers to make sure everything they do to you is legal. Their staff always includes one charismatic sociopath who magically knows your hometown no matter where you're from and makes promises he knows he legally doesn't have to keep as long as you sign the papers.This is FUCKING NORMAL OP. You fucked up by putting any trust in them at all. First you don't buy a new $50,000 car without renting said model for a week or two first to decide what features you want and if you want it at all.Second you buy the car YOU WANT, not the new one on the lot that's "close enough". You can wait while the factory makes your car, not someone else's. Third a new car is a LONG HAUL investment. You lose your ass financially every time. You're buying it to get the years of service the vehicle provides and hoping to a get a good dollar:time ratio.>inb4 just don't be poorFuck you preemptively.
Use your brain next time
>>28896061I don't know how to drive manual, I couldn't even try it, they had one when I did the test drive. I'm still unsure about it, the auto is fun and it lets me do maneuvers that I know I couldn't do with a manual, but I know the manual feels faster because of the immediate response. At this point I just want it so that it's different from my main car.I did order the spec I wanted, at the time, which is why I paid so much for it. Exact color, exact trim. After a summer of driving it though my plans have changed, I thought I was going to sell my primary car and make this one primary, but now I know that's not possible and it's going to specifically be a summer toy so I want a different trim with a cloth roof and manual.I plan to keep this car until it rusts into the ground, my needs just changed over time. It's not just a new car, every car they sell they're trying to make massive fucking margins on. Even 3-4 year old cars of the same model they're trying to sell for like $10k less than a new one, the car is almost out of warranty and they're barely discounting depreciation. If I trade my 2025 car in now they consider an equivalent trade for a car they'll give me as a 2022 model with 3x the mileage. That is fucked.It's not just cars, it's become the same thing with houses. You sell a 1.2 million dollar house and after paying the land transfer tax and the buying and selling agent fees you'll break even downgrading to a 1 million dollar house. Everything needs a reset.
>>28896052Fun fact: You have the legal right to nominate who your commission fees go to within the business (this can be an individual or a party of people), or, and here's the part they don't tell you, it can be donated towards a charity (of their choosing), the latter is normally used when you nominate your commission to go to someone who is no longer with the business. You are required to do this in writing, and most dealerships have a form on hand for this purpose (usually it's used by the staff to prevent other staff members from stealing their commissions).If you feel like you're getting a raw deal, use it!If you want to be a dick spring it on them at the final point of sale.
>>28896052You're just learning what depreciation is??? Why the fuck didn't you just lease if you're going to be playing musical vehicles?
>>28896107$13k of depreciation in a single year? Is it going to be worth $22k next year? And then $9k? Year 4 it's worth 0? They're trying to sell my exact car for $45k, a new one is $48k, the depreciation is $3k when they put it to market. Offering me $35k for it isn't depreciation, it's a rip off. And the government protects them, if you sell it privately you can't reclaim any tax so the dealership automatically deducts the tax from the residual value and pockets it. No this is an industry that's forgotten what it's like to actually work for money.
>>28896121>$13k of depreciation in a single year? Is it going to be worth $22k next year? And then $9k? Year 4 it's worth 0?I'm going to go out on a limb and say you bought something German lmao. Thiiiisss is why people lease these pieces of shit. This is why you can pick up a lightly used one for a fraction of the original sticker price. Also I don't think you realize just how little dealerships make off of new car sales. Their profit comes from financing and service.
I factory ordered EXACTLY what I wanted and took no bullshit from the dealership. I let them show me truck after truck when I knew they wouldn't ever have my spec at a dealership. They eventually ordered it, I waited 4 months for it to be built and it's perfect. My color, only has what I want and not a bunch of bullshit to go wonky in 10+yrs. I cannot imagine buying a new vehicle you don't even want that isn't an economy vehicle.
>>28896131It's a miata and I think the days of them making $600 on a car are long gone. They charge $2200 freight and $870 admin on top of the msrp and who knows how much margin is in the msrp itself. At least I'm sure about them trying to make $10k markup on my one year old car, it's what everyone else is listing similar cars for on autotrader. It's funny I tried clutch too and they offered the same 35k, both places asked me how much I have left owing on my finance and I said 35k. It's like they think I'm retarded.
>>28896052>Imagine having a IQ that fucking low.Europe was 115+ average at one point.OP is inbred enough to be below 90.Probably isn't even 75%+ of anything.
>>28896246I'm probably top 20% of income and IQ in my country. I can buy 10 of these cars in cash right now, I'm still not giving these kikes a $10k margin on my one year old car, $3k on a new one and $4k in interest.
>>28896254You're retarded because you settled for a car you didn't want figuring you can "trade it in later". You're obviously going to lose money on it and that's not the dealers fault. You want more money? Sell it privately or to CarMax, carvana etc. Or just suck it up because a manual on your shitbox isn't going to make it more fun.
>>28896254Dumb ass...
>>28896254And yet you're still a fucking moron apparently.
>>28896264I didn't settle, it's what I wanted at the time thinking it was going to be my primary car and then I realized that wasn't going to work and I was going to keep my old car as a primary and the new one as a toy.
>>28896241Miata's have almost zero demand new or used. The exact same spec as yours that they're selling has probably been on the market for 6+ months. They won't make that mistake again and obviously won't pay anywhere near that for yours.
>>28896298I watch the inventories of these dealerships, the used miatas show up in the fall and are gone in the spring. I also see the autotrader listings, I've been wanting one for a LONG time, I know which ones are old listings that aren't selling and which ones are new. My car is a 2025 which didn't even start showing up used until a few weeks ago. There's a surprising amount of demand for them here even with the excess inventory. These are big mazda dealerships, they get allocated new miatas and they always sell them.Even third party dealerships manage to sell them, saw one driving home from work on the side of the road last summer and it was gone before the end of summer. I actually saw some one in a pre 24 model on my drive back, waved to the guy while stuck in traffic and he waved back and followed me to the highway exit, thought he was going to pull in to a plaza with me so we could get all homo, but sadly no.
why not try and sell it privately for what the dealer will resell it for?
>>28896052OP, allow me to give you a small lesson on car economics.Dealers get their cars brand new at a price below MSRP, This price is usually unknown, not because it's some great trade secret, but because it changes between years, models, and even trim levels. for the sake of this example, let's set this price at 90% off MSRP. The dealer also gets to sell warranties (GAP coverage at the bare minimum) and not only do they get kickbacks from the banks for facilitating the loan, but they also have incentives from the manufacturer for bonuses, sell 10+ cars of XYZ model and trim, and we'll send you 20K back in cash, almost like it's a farming game quest in an MMO, it's important you understand this because this is what drives depreciationYou buy your new car, the dealer adds their doc fee, you apply for financing, and you drive out the door. Now you come back trying to sell it, and they offer you 75% of the value. You think they're being jews, when in reality it's just smart business. Why would you get fair market value when the dealer can get your car for cheaper brand new, a car they can sell service plans/warranties for, a car that counts towards they quarter end/year end bonuses for a car that does absolutely none of this? The dealership is a business and losing money on a deal is bad business. So they're gonna make up on the money they're missing out from a brand new sale by taking it out of the value of YOUR car and selling it for more. This means that they're always gonna undervalue your car and try to sell it for 10K more like you describe no mater what, because that's the amounts of money they're losing on by selling your lightly used last year model compared to a brand new car. The only way to get more value out of your car now, is to sink it into a new car again. As a point of negotiation, you can demand they pay you more for your trade in if they're not flexible with the MSRP, but that's your only option now outside of trying to sell it on your own.
>>28896052Make a campaign"We will vote for whoever kills the dealership industry and lets us buy direct from manufacturer"Collect the hard data, push for more profits for AMERICAN manufacturers over leeches that create bank value and not real value, find a few hundred thousand people and go party by your local capitol
>>28896191What did you order?
>>28896052All salesmen are sociopathic leaches who deserve to rot but also you should have known that beforehand. You should also have known that new cars immediately lose a shit load of value the second you sit in them and make it not new anymore.
>>28896999yeah this. OP is pretty clueless
>>28896254>OP is Somalian lmao daycare learing center kickbacks came in, huh?car dealers are not there to be your get out of jail free garages/banks, and if you finance a car there's a reasonable expectation that you will keep the car at least like a year or something. You can make as many poor financial decisions you want and that's your right, but also your responsibility. Want financial advice, go to a financial advisor not a retail store.
>>28896052boomer i work with buy a new car ever 6month or so. whenever he gets his new car he place an order for another one, when that car arrive he sell his current one for over market price since there is always some sucker who cant wait for delivery and need that new car today. he has sold with loss but usually he profit from it. but he sells privately never through the dealer. basicly free car ownership.
>>28896254>I'm probably top 20% of income and IQ in my country.>>28896052>miss window on dealer incentives, pay out the ass for it>>28896254>I can buy 10 of these cars in cash right now>>28896052>My current finance is up in 2 years
OP, if you were going to buy an identical car to yours from a private buyer, how much would you pay for it?
>>28896060This. Bought a car a few months back with them the first time. I would recommend doing any financing with a local credit union, though. Rates will be better that way.Never going to a dealer again.
>>28897012Maverick hybrid. I wanted base model with only the AWD and 4K tow in green. I went to multiple dealerships and had each of them search for one knowing they wouldn't find it. They tried to tempt me with impatience and also were acting like tariffs would make it go up tomorrow. But $30k vehicle is a big purchase. I looked at the most useful option that has the best chance of surviving the next 10 years and what it would do for me. I DON'T consider what OTHER people want when I buy my own things and I pinpoint my own desires. I just needed a vehicle that could do everything that was efficient and basic and the Maverick is the best for that. One way to not owe $40k on something you don't want.
>>28896098>Fun fact: You have the legal right to nominate who your commission fees go to within the businesslol, no, not at all, this isn't even close to being true.
>>28896052>They offered me $39,000 on a $48,000 car, not including taxes that only had 7k km on it. I put it away over the winter and went back to ask again today and they're offering me $35k for it, I know they're going to list it for $45k and then throw bullshit fees on top so after negotiation the real price is $45k.lets try using some logic here. if a brand new car is $48k as you said, do you really think they're going to be able to sell a used up one for $45k? Do you really think someone would be willing to accept a used up car for a mere 6% discount?
>>28897102Money is money, no matter how much you have. Who likes overpaying for something? Do you want to pay $20 for a box of cereal?And financing at 3% interest makes sense when inflation is higher than that and your rate of return on cash is much higher.>>28897124It was $48k last year, currently a new car in my trim is $52.5-53k. 2025 models are absolutely listed for $45k used right now, $49k 'new'. Miatas hardly get driven, they're still basically new at the end of the season.All I want to do is swap my used car for the exact same used car in manual for a few thousand dollars, they still have to sell exactly one car and by swapping they make some money while they try to sell one car which is nearly identical.
We need to go back to real shitboxes for a while.
>>28897156>All I want to do is swap my used car for the exact same used car in manual for a few thousand dollars,Better wait on those incentives then
>>28897158
>>28897156So sell it privately then
>>28897158I actually did think about just taking the loss on the miata and buying an MGB for $10k, spend less money overall and stop thinking about it, but I'm addicted to speed and there's only 3 months of summer here to enjoy, I don't want to be fixing a car during that time.>>28897164I don't want to risk dealing with something of that much value, instead of a $10k loss I could lose the entire car and I don't think insurance is going to pay out if I hand it over in a scam. And still the best case scenario of getting $45k would cost me almost $6k in tax when I buy the car again. The industry knows what it's doing, get ripped off by the dealer or get ripped off by the government.
>>28897177Top 20% IQ in his country btw
>speed>miataWhat?
>>28897185It's as slow as I'm willing to go and I'm not willing to go much heavier for more speed.
>>28896080> I don't know how to drive manual, I couldn't even try itlol, what shitbox did you buy?
>>28896241>OP literally bought an automatic miata for $50k and wonders why nobody wants itholy shit
>>28897227Yeah I'm having trouble building one on their site for anywhere close to that. Best I can get with their configurator is like 44,500. With 10% tax (super high, average is closer to 5%) he's still below 50 lmao
>>28897116Oh, neat. I hope you like it.
>>28897415I don't live in americuh if it wasn't obvious.
>>28896060Lmao fuck no. I have sold absolute dog shit to Carvana simply because they pay more and don’t inspect it worth a fuck. They don’t fix anything they get on trade and pass it along at a premium price because of convenience. Sell to Carvana, never buy.
>>28898323Yeah. Sold a 2010 honda crv to carvana that had transmission issues and kept going into limp mode randomly for 7k kek
>>28896920Hey you get the fuck outta here with shit like “good ideas” and “common sense”
>>28896052Wrong. Only toyota ford and kiyundai need to go bankrupt, teach their faggot asses a lesson
