I just want more A-segment city EV's. Is that too much to ask? Something like the BYD Dolphin Surf (kek). ID.1 looks promising though.
>>28897545For a subcompact EV to have decent range we either need a breakthrough in battery technology, or everyone has to be ok with driving ultra-optimized hypermilers
yes, evs are retarded toy cars, adding 1000 lbs of batteries to a small car is stupidbut, here, an answer to your prayers:https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/kia/2026-ev2/61 kwh battery, not huge but decent for a very small car
>>28897545die nigger
that shit's gay as hell bro just get a normal car like a regular person.
>>28897545EVs don't make sense as small cars. The benefits over ICE becomes non-existant with loads of downsides. With that said, I'm kinda bummed out the Nio Firefly didn't become a bigger hit. It's supremely cute. I'd say the best smol EV right now is Hyundai Inster but is ugly af.
>>28897731EVs make no sense for larger cars either. EVs are handouts to lithium mine owners and battery company owners. Hybrids make a lot of sense, EVs do not. EVs are pushed cynically as environmentally friendly when they absolutely are not, they are at best just quieter than cars, and a weird compliance mechanism for our government unwilling to regulate heavy industry but willing to impose radical standards on normal passenger cars that contribute minimally overall to pollution.
>>28897733Calm down Goyota shill. Hybrids are gay and soulless. I've never driven a hybrid that doesn't remind me of is transexual driveline every second of the drive.Atleast EVs can shut up and let me wnjoy my drive. Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. Whenever I drive a Toyota, I want to puke afterwards given how absolutely disgusting the drive is. Meanwhile plenty of fun and snappy EVs exist. If you shill for hybrids, you don't like cars. You're just some cheap nigger that needs to maximize his MPG every waking second of his life. No better than some imported Uber driver. KYS
>>28897733>when they absolutely are notHow so? Keep in mind that EV batteries are fully recyclable
>>28897733>it makes sense to ruin a good and reliable engine with a battery and electric motor thrown on it because you save 5 bucks on gas per month>nevermind that this makes the car impossible to repair and the 1kWh battery is likely to shit itself down the line anyways>nevermind it also means the engine is compromised severely in size and powerI want to punch all hybrid cucks to death
>>28897743oof
>>28897741at the very least, it makes sense to put a 48V in all cars and make them mild hybrid > Keep in mind that EV batteries are fully recyclablevery much doubtalso the pollution from mining the raw materials from the battery is done somewhere in the third worldand recharging EVs is largely from fossil fuels and making cars HEAVIER is only contributing more to pollution and worsening road conditions>>28897744has nothing to do with saving on gas, its about low end torqueideally batteries should be small and easy to replace>it also means the engine is compromised severely in size and powerum no, manufacturers often choose to give you smaller displacement engines in their hybrid offerings doesn't mean it has to be that way, Mercedes just upgraded its hybrid GLE class midsize SUV offering from a 4banger to an I6 engine.
Hybrid is the perfect wife vehicle. Can have ac/heat for the children without idling, electric only for work, use the gas engine for road trips so I don't waste a bunch of time charging. I wonder how many of the EV shills actually have a house so they can do home charging kek
>>28897749People have calculated on wordt possible outcomes creating the high voltage batteries and the pollution is still a fraction of an ICE/hybrid after just a year or two in traffic. And battery components become easier and cheaper to attain with newer LFP and salt batteries. Hybrid is so shit and gay to drive. Every time the indicator has to remind me if I'm in ECO DRIVE or not. Just shut the fuck up and let me enjoy my drive in peace. Nothing as annoying as a gas churning box pretending it's ECO FRIENDLY to my face. Hybrids are a scam mainly by Toyota created for the sole purpose of bypassing the demand for actual non-polluting cars while still keeping profit margins high. Atleast EVs know how to be fun. I test drove a BMW i4 recently and it royally smoked any gay hybrid I've ever driven. Fast, quiet, responsive and no gay indicators yelling at me I'm in ECO MODE.
>>28897757You talking about plug ins? I owned one. Worst driveline ever. If you want to go full electric, go full electric. Don't be a tranny about it. Plug ins are heavy, their engines are often compromised to hell and the EV range is awful. You get none of the benefits of pure ICE/EV and all the downsides.
Why do mutts love transexual drivelines so much? Hybrids in Europe are considered low class vehicles mostly driven by Uber jeets and other cheap folks. Either get a car with a real engine and be a man about it or go EV and feel smug about doing 0-100 in 5s while fetching groceries.
Nah you're a faggot. It's the family trip car and I'm not making that an EV. There's a use case for it and that's your problem if you can't see it. I also drive a better car than you.
>>28897769Is it the BMW that's plug in? I prefer their straight drivelines.
>>28897545I'm looking forward to the new Twingo and Honda SuperOne. There's also the Dacia Spring and Hyundai Inster. More would be better. In the used market, some people have been modifying the iMiev/Ion/C-Zero with higher capacity and output battery packs that makes them interesting.>>28897731>>28897733I want a small EV. It's probably going to be the new Twingo. I can afford a Tesla or whatever the fucking krauts are selling, but I don't want a big and fast car. I want a small and happy one. I do not give a flying fuck about climate change or the environment. I just want to know that I'll be able to drive to the city (50 km away) and back even when there's no fuel available at the fuel pumps. Current petrol price where I live is $1.80/liter while residential electric prices are about $0.12/kwh. Cars I'm driving right now average about 7L/100km when I'm driving them, while a typical EV might do 20kwh/100km. This means it costs me about $12.60 to drive to the city while an EV would cost me about $2.40. I would say I drive to the city about ten times a month, so it's about $100/mo difference in fuel costs. It's not a lot, but it's not nothing.
>>28897820Get a lease on Renault 5. They're cheap now to lease and it's way more luxurious and complete than Twingo.
>>28897824This happens every fucking time I talk about small cars. "Just buy something two size classes bigger, bro." Fuck you. No. I get that you're trying to be helpful, but I want a *small* car. The 5 is full size family car. I don't want a full size family car. I want a small car.
>>28897749>and recharging EVs is largely from fossil fuelsThat depends on where you live. Countries with high adoption rates like Norway, Sweden or Denmark have low share of fossil fuels for electricity. Many people buying EVs also have their own solar power production.>making cars HEAVIER is only contributing more to pollutionOne of the main sources of non-combustion pollution are friction brakes and EVs rely a lot less on them due to regenerative braking.
>>28897857you are causing FAR more wear and tear on roads by adding 1-2 THOUSAND pounds of extra weight and guess what resurfacing roads is polluting and uses hydrocarbonscountries with high ev adoption have that because they are toys for the ultra rich and the us subsidizes their military (i.e. pays for their protection)
>>28897885That added weight is still less toxic than a gas churning engine that weighs 2,000kgs anyways since most NPCs drive either SUVs or trucks.
Theres Renault Twingo and Fiat e-500. Arguably the two most iconic A-segment cars ever.The whole segment barely exists and any EVs in it would just be EV-grant hogs for people who want a 14,999 eur EV or something. Small EVs don't sell very well despite Stellantis and Renault offering +10 A/B segment EV hatches.
>>28897891EVs produce far more pollution mining and making the battery than a lifetime of gas powered cars. Its just pre-loading the pollution so you don't notice as much.
>>28897900No they don't, the break even is about 60- 120 thousand kilometers while modern car lifespans are on average 250 000.
>>28897916wrong, they just aren't counting all the various factors that go into producing the raw materials for batteries and EV motors as well as in the manufacture of such thingsevs are joke cars that exist to make lithium mine owners rich while destroying the planet
>>28897545You will be putting your life at risk in America no cap but if in any other country please carry on. I am worried about ya.
>>28897900This has been debunked a million times and not even Goyota bothers with this FUD anymore. You have no idea how resource intensive oil drilling, refinement, shipment, storage is. Not even counting the actual pollution of gas (of which only 30% goes to moving the car, the rest becomes waste)
>>28897919>the numbers are wrong because I said somutts are hopeless to argue with. Go die for Pissrael already.
>>28897885>resurfacing roads is polluting and uses hydrocarbonsElectric pavers exist.If you look at cars that have both EV and ICE versions you'll see the EV is 200-300kg more and that doesn't even account for the weight of a full gasoline tank.>the us subsidizes their military (i.e. pays for their protection)Sweden wasn't even in NATO until 2024.
>>28897685No U
