Hello friends,I am here to combat one of the greatest menaces in gently used cars, front sag. Look at this excellent condition toyota tacoma. You might look at it and think "that's pretty good condition, but it's not excellent." It's excellent, but what you see is 1.5 inches of front sag. Based on my calculations and some public information, this front end is lacking 750 lbs of spring force. How am I going to add that? There are several possible solutions.1. Replace springs. It might be hard to replace springs without breaking bolts on the dampers, even when things are in excellent condition. This costs parts and money. How fast can you do it?2. Easily adjustable spring dampers. If we had this, we could just add how much force we want and it costs no parts. The thing could be leveled while the tires are rotated. The downside is reduced travel, for people who are somehow maxing that out. 3. Starting with extra spring to begin with. This costs no extra money. As things wear, stiffness smooths out without sagging. Downside is reduced travel, for people who are somehow maxing that out.What do you think? Which do you prefer?
>>28898211>engineers design truck to sag to level when actually used to haul something in the bed>truckolds have a meltdown because they never actually use their truck to haul something in the bed
>>28898212Imagine thinking of and typing out the OP without understanding camber dynamics built into truck designs to compensate for unloaded/loaded steering geometry and believing you "figured something out".
>>28898211>I am here to combat one of the greatest menaces in gently used cars, front sagthat's a factory rake, dumbass
>>28898211this is why people buy toyotas to fuss around with defective suspension. an honor
>>28898212I hear what you're saying, but I disagree. This is not that.
>>28898279I hear what you're saying, but I disagree. I appreciate the second look at camber angles, but what you are saying is about negative effects from lowering.
>>28898290I hear what you're saying. What do you think about my factory rake?
>>28898295I hear what you're saying, but I think you're making some wrong conclusions. I'm not seeing defective here, but perhaps, something was more effective and has worn out.
why not just add 750 lb of weight to the bed to even it out and also improve your traction?
>>28898564You missed the point completely.There is no "sag".Thats factory ride height.If the truck sat level unladden then when loaded it would have drastic drop in the rear.Trucks are higher in the rear than the front to balance different situations (load weights).Springs do not "wear out" during the standard lifetime of a vehicle.If you replaced the front springs with brand new OEM replacements that truck would sit at the exact same height it is at now.
>>28898570I consider hapless 'engineering' decisions as defects in design
>>28898567It looks normal, if you want to change it just get some stupid ride height kit
>front sagSront Fag
>>28898573I hear what you're saying, but I'm not totally interested in a ballast solution
>>28898841Lower your rear tires to 15 psi and raise the fronts to 40 psi, problem solved.
>>28898574I hear what you're saying, and I'm often disagreeing. There wouldn't be drastic rear drops because the rear is stiffer than the front. If replacing the springs isn't the solution, than something else has bent somewhere, and a different spring can still be a solution. Just look at a new and see the difference.
you people are literally retarded. how stupid do you have to be to be replying to this shit.
>>28898808I hear what you're saying, and I agree that it does look pretty normal. Probably 98% of trucks on the road look kind of like this, because they're not new or caring or able to adjust.
>>28898211>>28898849>Just look at a new and see the difference.There's a load in the trunk. defNow to address your issue, there are two solutions:Put it on a ramp and chuck some tennis balls in the front springs. It's unsightly but works.For a more elegant solution add some weight to the back to even out the ride height, then use zips ties to secure the springs at the correct level of compression. If you have the dexterity you can attach the ties to the inside edge of the springs where it won't be visible.There is a third option, take it to an authorized repair dealership, but I doubt you can afford that.
>>28898852I hear what you're saying, but my Tacoma was only $4500 down and 2.8% APR I got a great deal during the Toyota Red Tag Days sales event.
>>28898861>picdo truckolds really? lmao
>>28898885No.Those are variable rate springs.Someone jacked up that corner, slapped on some zip ties (as the coils were in their naturally compressed state) and took a pic just to post it on the internet and have someone like you question reality.Stop being a fucking retard.
>>28898849Well, first off, theyre not the same fucking vehicle you retard.Try again.
>>28898211That's normal, OP. See >>28898212Now just stop making excuses and go buy that levelling kit that I know you want anyway.
>>28898211Shim it, retard. Alternatively, if you actually use your truck as a truck and not a minivan, it will sit evenly.
>>28898211Stock spring rate is 550lbs i believebest thing to do is to get a set of 5100, or better yet 6112s with a 600 spring and lift it up 1.5"i dont think they even make 750 springs for a taco. They do have 700, but thats for something like full plate bumper with winch, sliders, and all the associated jazz in the back. It would ride like complete garbage with 700s. get a set of 5100s or 5160s for the rear while youre at it. shocks and springs on stock tacos are garbage.
>>28899148>ctrl+f leveling kit>1 resultonly anon with a brian in this moran thread
>>28899320>leveling kitusually a strut spacer which is the equivalent of poking a baby in the eye
>>28899320We're not talking about leveling kits because thats not what this thread is about.OP thinks the suspension has failed and new factory springs will raise the vehicle.
>>28899701I hear what you're saying, but you're not really making any sense. You say that I'm talking about a non existent problem, then say don't look at some solutions that already exist to this problem. Then you just start lying when surely someone has already logged their ideas on best spring replacement intervals.
>>28899139I hear what you're saying, but they are the same model. They're not made 1 at a time without regularity...
>>28899305I hear what you're saying. If I'm changing the front dampers with adjustable ones, I could even use the same old springs. Why use old springs? Because I'm hearing that springs do not wear out. So the old springs with a 5100 or 6112 at the right setting should be level, no? The questions are like if put a new 600 spring in the existing dampers, would it lift a little, level, or go too high?I'm not considering changing the rear springs at this time, and I'm not sensing a damping problem at the moment...
>>28898211You live in california dude youre not going to break any bolts on a 40 year old car let alone a 10 year old one.
rear air bags fix this
>>28900009I hear what you're saying. But why not just get a proper truck at this point? What do you have to gain by screwing around with clumsy POSs?
