Just out of curiosity, what car did /o/ learn to drive in?Pictures welcome (even if it's just the model and not the actual car) - pic is the model I learned in
2001 VW Jetta 1.8T also practiced a bit in the older 740 wagon and 240 sedan we had at the time, but mainly drove the Jetta. Turbo was laggy as hell but very nice when you floored it and the steering and suspension and brakes were up to the task though it wasn't nearly as canyon carvery as the 540. Less clinical though. VW just sort of slowly declined since the early 2000sthe year after mine the turbo got upgraded from 150 to 180 hp I do wonder if that one was any faster
>>2889955475 corolla wagon. 54hp and yet i managed to get my first speeding ticket in it.
Golf 5, 2.0 TDi, 6spd - default driving school car back thenDid over 210 in it during autobahn lessons
>>28899554I remember when I listened to my driving instructor's lecture and he asked which gear would we choose if we were driving 50 kph in 4th gear and wanted to overtake someone. Someone said 5th but I said 3rd because the Suzuki can still somewhat accelerate in 3rd gear. The instructor said "is Suzuki is the only car with such privilege?"
>>28899554Pic related, don't even remember manufacturing year. This thing broke down a lot and it was horrible to start it during winters, spew grey smoke all the time, and drove like a fucking tank. At one point transmission broke so it didn't have 3rd gear as well, so I'd rev 2nd gear like a madman and push it to the 4th one.
L series
>>288995542000 AU Falcon4L I6, RWD, LSD, no traction control.There's a reason I laugh when people act like driving RWD is hard.
>>288995541981 Toyota Tercel manual transmission 86 horsepower lmao. God I miss that car (the girl not that much)
>>28899554pic, but blue.
>>28899668fuggforgot pic
In retrospect I had it pretty good, girls loved to sit in the middle seat. (I still didn’t get laid)
>>28899554Technically it was a 1947 Fordson 7v, which is what my dad taught me to drive in, but I did take "official" lessons in a Vauxhall Corsa D, just to learn the rules of the road. Took me a little while to shake my habit of double clutching, and it really threw me for a loop with how disconnected from the road the car felt.
2004 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer Edition.I can parallel park anything now.
VW Golf 4
My dad first taught me how to drive in his 1999 XJ8 Vanden Plas. A few months later, my grandfather taught me how to drive a manual with his 1987 Isuzu P'up.
>>28899632Did the LSD help?My parents specifically bought the 150hp 1.8T engine instead of the 2.0L 115 hp engine because the 2.0 couldn't be had with stability and traction control. I remember they used to light up all the time when you would launch it hard or in any bad weather. Whereas on my modern Kia, I almost never feel the traction or stability control at all - tho it is AWD.
'01 Volvo S40 1.9t (auto, first car I drove)'98 Suburban 2500 (most of my early driving)'02 Audi TT Quattro 225 6-spd (learned manual)I drive miatas and imprezas.
>>28900390apparently that 1.9T engine kinda sucked. Just read an old review of the S40. I had an S60 2.5T AWD. The wheels were too big and the tires scraped the wells when you turned hard. It was very laggy/boosty but overall a smooth nice engine (ford I think). They later used it on the Fiesta ST I think. >'02 Audi TT Quattro 225 6-spd (learned manual)how was that engine?I drove the 1.8T 150hpand test drove the later 2.0 version and it seemed much worse somehow
>>28900392>how was that engine?It's just the normal one with a K04 turbo instead of the K03. It's still such a small turbo that it would start boosting under 2k. Overall it felt nice but very solid (heavy), great interior, great gearbox.At the time I had little to compare against, and it's been 25 years so I can't give a great answer.
>>28899554International 414 and Datsun 720 diesel
>>28900389no LSD makes it worse lolif it's raining that thing will break into a drift at the drop of a hatIt has ABS but no traction control / stability control (what is stability control even supposed to do?)You're the Jetta guy from the top reply right? It's FWD iirc (or maybe AWD?) so too much power is just going to understeer or skid a front wheel. In a RWD car too much power makes a single pegger (one wheel slips, rear stays planted from the other wheel), if you have LSD it will split power evenly until the other one breaks loose too, aka, oversteer, drifting.As a learner I found it pretty easy to control a drift. You also develop a sense for when the rear is justtt barely starting to slide, which is hella nice, and I got the same feeling playing assetto corsa once.
>>28900683>no LSD makes it worse lol>if it's raining that thing will break into a drift at the drop of a hatI've been hyping up LSDs for... wow 18 years on this site. But yes, that shit will break out on you in an instant. If you don't know it's a possibility, it's really risky.>Driving 300k mile NA miat with maybe 90hp on highway at 80mph in the rain>Random pothole>Sudden 360 spin and still moving relatively fast>No other cars around just put it in gear and keep goingWhew, that'll happen. It's best when you're aware it's possible. Not something to learn on.
>>28900689I maintain that it was fine to learn on. A learner isn't going that fast early on. Is it much different with different cars?e.g. my Falcon is heavier and has probably a 70/30 or 75/25 weight distribution, and a solid rear axle (which I think makes breaking/gaining traction very predictable compared to IRS but I don't know if that's actually true) but also 220 hp and a lot of low-range torque.definitely a boomer kind of opinion in my case "rah rah i learned it like that these sissy kids these days".
>>28900727It's okay to learn on, but there's a chance RWD LSD will slip out on a noob and kill them right there and then.There's something to be said for learning on the real deal, "trial by fire," (initial D lol) but it does get people killed.I had an LSD miata and a 3-LSD STi when I was 18 (luck: 10), never crashed either, but that shit is dangerous if you don't know what's going to happen.In my Integra I had at 16-18 you'd just lift throttle and be fine. In a real sports car, you have to use more throttle to vector the car away from danger.
>>28900689>>28900727>>28900733OP here - this is getting off topic. Want to start a thread on the merits and dynamics of LSDs? Go start your own.The thread is asking what car you learned to drive in.
>>28900763>The thread is asking what car you learned to drive in.And I answered. Sub-conversations naturally formed, welcome to /o/. If we hadn't talked about that nothing would be different but your thread would have fewer posts.If no one else is replying, that's on them.
>>28900766>but your thread would have fewer, but more focussed postsFTFY - and it's what I was after. The way you benchracers infect everything. Just look as the completely irrelevant shit in this post>>28900733When I learned to drive there were no LSDs outside rally and race cars, most cars were RWD and manuals, but learners weren't "slipping out" and being killed on a regular basis
>>28900787>learners weren't "slipping out" and being killed on a regular basisyes because they DIDN'T have LSD. It actually makes it way easier to slip out. If you don't have LSD you only get one rear wheel loose, with LSD you get both loose.
>>28900820see>>28900763and you have no fucking idea what you are talking about
>>28900820You know the deal. This guy >>28900787 has no fucking idea what he's talking about.
>>28900820>>28900823Provide citations how LSD make it more likely for a learner to "slip out" or fuck off, benchracer (yes, singular)I'll wait (but I suspect I'll wait a long time)
>>28900828My citation is driving like a goddamn maniac in many cars for over 20 years.
>>28900828I'm the other guy and my citation is ALSO that I've fucking driven it
93 Accord sedan. Spoiled with double wishbone suspension since day 1
>>28900837Anecdotes about your inability to drive is not evidence, particularly in the context of "learning to drive"Please enact the second part of my post
>>28900870>I'm the other guyof course you are, cupcake
>>28900887i have a 90, same thing but no airbags and no abs. love its simplicity
>>28900905What are you talking about, I said RWD LSD is dangerous for new drivers.You'd trust a HS grad magazine writer younger than a degenerate engineer about car dynamics? Okay. That's a choice.
>>28900907he's the miat driveri'm the falconposteryou are the retardshould be obvious why an LSD RWD will spin out way easier than an open diff RWD, if you used your brain
>>28900942Yes, I am the miat driver. And I am not you. And I obviously agree. It's just what happens. One wheel spins and it'll generally understeer, if you have an LSD if one wheel spins both do and you're off to the shadow realm if you don't know how to counterstrer and stay on the throttle.
>>28900942>should be obvious why an LSD RWD will spin out way easier than an open diff RWD, if you used your brainThen there will be plenty of citations on the internet warning learner drivers of this very same phenomenon - just go find one, please.
>>28900951>One wheel spins and it'll generally understeeron a RWD car? Really?
>>28900956How many cars are LSD RWD no aids these days?Almost none. There's no reason to expect some blogpost warning about it.
This threads cars have alot of soul
>>28900961Depends, my last miat had a torrent, my current one is open diff. I can swing the back out at like 10mph with this open diff but if I want to continue the slide (drift) I'm met with understeer. At speed open diff is more likely to understeer when LSD will rotate hard. I'm looking for 4.1 Torsen diff swaps now.
>>28900970>torrentTorsen (LSD) lol I suck at phone posting.
>>28900964So no citations then? Thought not.
>>28900970>>28900974All this goes back to my post here>>28900763because nothing you said is relevant to a learner driver
>>28900986My citation is experice. More experience than a blogposter or YouTuber doing it for clout. My car doesn't even have ABS, kiddo.
>>28900987>because nothing you said is relevant to a learner driver>>28900689>I've been hyping up LSDs for... wow 18 years on this site.>But yes, that shit will break out on you in an instant. If you don't know it's a possibility, it's really risky.>Whew, that'll happen. It's best when you're aware it's possible. Not something to learn on.None of this is stopping others from posting. I posted the cars I learned on.
>>28900988I didn't want a blogpost. I asked for a citation. Which implies a degree of competence, like from a company who makes LSDs, or an OEM, or someone experienced and qualified in vehicle dynamics.Not a cretin who drifts and thinks that makes him an expert
>>28900988>My car doesn't even have ABS, kiddo.So what? And I'm older than you are. Kiddo.
>>28900999Sure thing, try it yourself I guess.I'd trust a degenerate drifter over someone selling me something, but nothing beats firsthand experience!
Learned to drive in a 1999 Toyota Rav4.Learned manual on a 2001 BMW 330Ci. Watching YouTube videos of people teaching from little european 4cyls that apparently can't stall made me feel like I was an absolute retard because I couldn't get going without revving way more than them.
>>28901001So what? Driver aids like stability control have been mandated on all cars for 15 + years and they're built into ABS systems. If you're driving with traction or stability control then you have no idea what you're talking about here.
>>28901002>but nothing beats firsthand experience!Tell that to the guys that designed the Tacoma Narrows bridge
>>28901005>Driver aids like stability control have been mandated on all cars for 15 + years and they're built into ABS systems.So what?
>>28901006Or, you could just buy a RWD car, drive it hard, and then swap an LSD. But no, it's easier to ask for citations, I literally am the citation. I can describe these phenomenon in greater detail than some HS grad writing an article to appease advertisers.Just fucking try it yourself.
>>28901011>I literally am the citation.Of course you are, cupcake. Now run along like a good little boy - I'm tired of your non sequiturs
>>28901007Stability control pulls throttle and hits the brakes when you try to corner hard. That's what. You don't drive hard enough to intuitively know that? I pull the ABS fuse on modern cars to disable that shit.
>>28901017Okay, this isn't an ego thing, I'm describing repeatable phenomena that are considered base-level things to anyone into racing. RWD open diff will understeer while LSD will slide out and let you drift if you stay on the throttle, wow, groundbreaking stuff.
>>28901021>Okay, this isn't an ego thingYes it was - you are, after all, "the citation">RWD open diff will understeer Explain the physics of this. As you are, after all, "the citation"
>>28901023>>28901023Here, this is better than anything you could present.
It was a goddamn diesel. Never drove or owned diesel ever since.
>>28901026Interesting you present a screenshot - why not provide the links it offers you so I can review the relevant citations? You don't even show the complete search term I wonder why?Now this is a real citationhttps://shura.shu.ac.uk/30090/1/Lenzo-RevisitingMechanicalLimited-slip%28VoR%29.pdf
>>28901046I've actually experienced this shit, you haven't.I am a better source than some lib arts or marketing major and I'm sorry you can't see that. Disagree? Try it yourself.
>>28901048So you still haven't explained the physics of an open diff causing understeer, and now you appear to be deflecting (as as adding more non sequitur - who mentioned liberal arts or marketing?)
>>28901048>>28901051(cont) It's also interesting that the section you highlighted referred to "...difficulty in initiating a controlled drift". Who mentioned drifting?
>>28899554mid 2000s Toyota Yaris. Suspension was so bad I think it must have been blown and the clutch was difficult.probably just down to it being an instructors car with a million miles.He replaced it with a diesel i30 just before my test, so I got to experience driving a diesel and got the benefit of it being basically impossible to stall a diesel for the test.I don't like the pulling sensation honestly.My dad took me out in my mothers Nissan Pixo (rebadged Suzuki Alto) in-between lessons, which was honestly a really nicely handling car.
I got this when I was 14. I learned to drive in it, and 13 years later, I taught my wife to drive in it. This is it the day I scrapped it, when I was 28.
>>28901051>>28901058You're a fucking idiot. Try it yourself. I'm not making any of this up, it's basic car shit. Don't look it up just fucking do it.I could explain the physics but you'd say I was pretentious or wrong "you're not an engineer, engineers aren't real!", it's not my first day here.Nobody mentioned drifting until you started questioning people about LSDs, that other guy pointed out that RWD LSD no aids will swing the rear out in an instant which is dangerous for new drivers, and I agreed. Wow.
>>28899554An old Ford Taurus. I think it was a 2000. Me and all my friends had Tauruses (taurii?) just by sheer chance. We used to roll out in a Taurus convoy. It was based
>>28901101>I could explain the physicsGo on then - that's what I've been asking for, yet you keep whining on and not doing it.
>>28901119With an open diff, the inner rear wheel spins. This cannot rotate the car and leads to understeer. You can solve this by lifting the throttle.With an LSD once one wheel spins, both do, and the rear kicks out hard. If you lift immediately you're fine but lifting or braking after like .1 seconds later will send you into the nearest tree. You've got to keep the throttle in and counterstrer then feather off the throttle.No I'm not drawing you free body diagrams, if you don't believe me then that's between you and the nearest tree.
The car you did your test in is essentially the girl you lost your virginity to. I don't remember either.
One of the last honest to god pickup trucks before they turned into pseudo luxury vehicles.
>>28901126>With an open diff, the inner rear wheel spins. This cannot rotate the car and leads to understeer. You can solve this by lifting the throttle.OK, let's unpick this a bit. If the car is cornering hard then there will be sideways forces acting on the road through the tires and, because the car is cornering, the outer tire will have a greater vertical load and therefore will be able to exert a greater sideways force than the inner, unloaded tire; for argument's sake lets say that 70% of the cornering force of the rear axle is on the outer tire, with 30% on the inner, and let's say the car is on the limit of adhesion. Now, if the driver applies a little more power (or the corner tightens) and the inner tire loses adhesion the open diff will transfer more power to the now-slipping tire and cause it to spin. So far we agree. But, a spinning tire has virtually no ability to applya sideways cornering force, so now 100% of the sideways load is instantly applied to the outer tire, up from the 70% where it was on the limits of adhesion and so the outer tire will be overwhelmed and start to slide sideways, meaning the car is now oversteering.Even if we consider your statement that a spinning inner tire cannot rotate the car, if you consider the yaw moment around the vertical yaw axis, if the outer tire is producing all the traction and in inner tire zero (through spinning) then the yaw moment would be greater than if the inner tire was also gripping and hence creating a moment in the opposite direction to the outer tire. This also leads to oversteer.
>>28901153Just go fucking try it yourself, you'll see.
>>28901153>>28901126(cont)I forgot about>You can solve this by lifting the throttle.Lifting off does something completely different - lifting off causes weight transfer to the front of the vehicle, loading the front tires (and so increasing the grip they have) and unloading the rear - in extremis this leads to lift-off oversteer and would certainly reduce understeering. It also reduces the torque the rear tires are exerting which, when considering the circle of grip, would reduce any sideways slide they might have.
>>28901160>Just go fucking try it yourself, you'll see.No, we're discussing the physics. I've just offered you a reason why an open diff will not promote understeer and that refutes your argument. Explain to me where my logic is wrong.Or do you want to say that I was pretentious or wrong "you're not an engineer, engineers aren't real!".? Because it's not my first day here either.
>>28901162Yeah, lift off oversteer exists, but if you're understeering, lifting the throttle is how you recover.You'd know this if you went out there and did it.
>>28901171Yes, I know about liftoff oversteer and how you can use it to correct understeer - I do it all the time. That's why I used it as an example. But back to the subject in hand, how is my logic flawed?
>>28899554Chrysler Sigma. Not sure of mutts got that one in the states it's a rebadged mitsubishi lancer
>>28901170>No, we're discussing the physics.Are we?No, I'm discussing what actually happens.I'm not spending a whole day doing diagrams and math just so you can say "nuh-uh." Just do it, drive hard for years in cars of various configurations, you'll figure it out. The reality is much more convincing than math.
>>28901173>how is my logic flawed?You're not even making an argument, you're just saying mine is wrong with no evidence.
>>28901178>Are we?Well you said you could explain the pysics, what with you being the citation and all, but the explanation you offered seems to be wrong, and I gave a reason why. Now if my reason is wrong, you have yet to explain why but, until you do, it would appear I've disproved your assertion that an open diff promotes understeer.>You're not even making an argument, you're just saying mine is wrong with no evidence.You offered an explanation - I've refuted your explanation as flawed. You offered no evidence supporting your assertion; I've offered an explanation of the physics of both yaw momentum and tire adhesion.
>>28901185You're mad that you're wrong.
>>28901185>I've disproved your assertion that an open diff promotes understeer.You have no experience with these things at all. Holy shit, RWD open diff can oversteer, but it generally understeers. That's basic to anyone that's driven hard. Get out there and smoke some tires.
>>28901198You asked for some evidence - here's a website that agrees with me>If you have uneven available grip between two wheels on the same axle, you have one wheel with higher torque carrying/transfer capacity than the other. When that happens in an open diff with no way to unevenly distribute torque, you can more easily overpower the low traction wheel. If you overpower it, it will start spinning. If it starts spinning, it is contributing very little to your longitudinal grip (forward/backward) or lateral grip (sideways). Moreover, the wheel with a lot of traction and, therefore, good torque carrying/transfer capacity is underutilized, because it won't get any more torque than that which is transferred to the low grip wheel (not much).>The result is limiting how much power you can use to move (or accelerate) as well as making it easier to reduce your available grip by spinning the low-grip wheel, which still contributes to the car's overall lateral and longitudinal grip available. Once it starts spinning, it can't do much. If that happens at the rear axle (RWD), that spinning low-traction wheel means less grip at the rear end and more likely to oversteer. https://www.ramseyethetrackguy.com/2019/06/why-open-diff-does-not-work-on-track.html(He's got a bio if you want to understand his credentials)
>>28901208Everything he said until the last sentence is correct.However, the low-grip wheel that starts spinning is the inside wheel which generally causes understeer unless you're under 15mph. If the outside wheel got the grip, that would rotate the car to oversteer.
>>28901100>13 years later, I taught my wife to drive in it.How old is your wife, anon?
>>28901185>>28901198>>28901208>>28901217What are you gaylords even arguing about? Open diff rwd is almost as shit as fwd.
>>28901217>If the outside wheel got the torque My bad. The outside wheel is the one with grip, so the inside one spins with open diff - leading to understeer.I drive a manual RWD open diff right now and had RWD LSD for 11 years. I do dumb shit. I know what I experience.
>>28901230>he outside wheel is the one with gripYes>so the inside one spins with open diffYes>leading to understeerNo. If the outside tire has the grip it will try to rotate the car more, meaning it's prone to oversteer. An LSD, by keeping power to both rear wheels, inhibits oversteer so a RWD LSD (fancy e-diff trickery aside) is more likely to want to understeer and plow straight as it's imitating a spool axle
>>28901248>. If the outside tire has the grip it will try to rotate the car more, meaning it's prone to oversteerNo, the tire with LESS grip gets all the torque, which is the inside tire because weight shits to the outside. When the inside spins it's all understeer,.>An LSD, by keeping power to both rear wheels, inhibits oversteer so a RWD LSD (fancy e-diff trickery aside) is more likely to want to understeer and plow straight as it's imitating a spool axleI'm not going to respond anymore, that's just otherworldly levels of wrong.
>>28901230>>28901248>>28901255Arguing about the merits of rwd with an open diff is retarded don't you have anything better to do? It's like taking turns shooting each other in the foot. Even if you win it's still a rwd with an open diff lol gay
>>28901255>I'm not going to respond anymoreThank fuck for that. But I notice that, beyond "Believe me, bro", you've offered nothing to support your case. Nothing.
>>28901264There is such a thing as engineering. But never you mind - go back to your hentai and lolis
>>28901217>If the outside wheel got the grip, that would rotate the car to oversteer.If the inside wheel is spinning then the outside wheel has the grip. So oversteer
>>28901289I've owned about 20 rwd cars. Non-lsd rwd cars are in some kind of limbo between fwd and rwd. They're still shit but they have the potential to be a decent car in the future with a diff swap
>>28901292I've owned more RWD cars without LSD than you have. If you think a FWD is better you need to drive more
>>28901117>Ford Taunus>2000Are you from Türkiye?
>>28901299I never said fwd is better I said getting into an argument over open diff rwds is fucking stupid. What kind of retard who cares about handling is going to run an open diff? nobody that's who.
>>28901302Apart from this dick>>28900733>It's okay to learn on, but there's a chance RWD LSD will slip out on a noob and kill them right there and then.plus his subsequent posts trying to support his bullshit
>>28900921That's awesome anon. I'd love to one day buy a clean sedan and drop an h22 in + refresh the entire suspension.
Parents got this Camry when I was 4. I got this Camry when I was 18. I'm now 35 and it's still my daily. I have other cars too, like the GTR in that picture, but the Camry will always be a part of my family. Later this year it will probably bring home my first child.
>>28901023>Explain the physics of this. As you are, after all, "the citation"I have at least once or twice you enormous faggot, and it's about the same explanation as that AI screenshot (because it's simple)Anon you know how drift-bros love to weld their diffs? They do that because now both wheels can break traction at once. Because it does the same thing an LSD does: splits power. That's also why driftoors don't weld LSDs, an LSD is BETTER than welded at anything except drifting, and still good at drifting.Are you still the guy with the Jetta?>>289011531. your assumption that you're at 100% the limit on traction, to say an LSD/open slip the same. Maybe at 100%, but an LSD will happily start spinning even from a stop, i.e. 0% turn g-force.Also remember that you can't even test it at 100% irl because it's so close to 101% where you'll slide regardless2. after the inner wheel offloads, the outer wheel now has ZERO engine power, and thus a much more available traction for holding the line3. it's possible for an open diff car to regain traction on one wheel while still on the throttle. An LSD guarantees both wheels have too much power to steady out unless the driver intervening.GO DRIVE ONE! You're making midwit tier REEEE trying to deny what's obvious to anybody who has driven an LSD no-TC RWD.>>>28901208>limiting how much power you can use to move (or accelerate)yes, which is why the other wheel now has no acceleration force left and can use all its grip for lateral stability>>28901248>>>>No. If the outside tire has the grip it will try to rotate the car more, meaning it's prone to oversteer. An LSD, by keeping power to both rear wheels, inhibits oversteer so a RWD LSD (fancy e-diff trickery aside) is more likely to want to understeer and plow straight as it's imitating a spool axle>>>nigga>>28901018huh, i didn't know because I never drove a car that had itit's fucking retarded
>>28901362i was debating on the H22 as well but its so over done, rather just turbo the f22 and call it a day
>>28899554My father's W124 in dark green.
honda element (MT) - 1 hr and a bmw convertible on gravel roads for a few mins of funtook driver's test, passed, never looked back.
>>28901973The guy doubled-down on his idiocy despite being obviously wrong. Yeah, drifters are all about open differentials, right? He's not going to change.
>>28901973>Are you still the guy with the Jetta?I was never a guy with a Jetta.But you are the guy that is wrong. And I thought (hoped) you weren't going to post any more.But as you're stupid enough to take AI at face value (because it's simple - in more ways than one) I've attached an AI screenshot that confirms LSDs can make a car understeer more. Now go away - I've given you two citations vs your "trust me bro, I'm THE citation"
Technically, a MKIII Cortina when I was 4, sitting on my mum's lap.I'd been riding on the road for 8 years before buying this, though.
>>28901973>>28902297(cont)Plus you keep referring to drifting, as does your AI quote. Nobody gives a shit about drifters and what those teenagers who have seen one too many Vin Diesel films think
>>28902297>>28902315I am sick of your shit. I never even used AI, I just said the AI pic from the other guy got it right.>vs your "trust me bro, I'm THE citation"you're a child raised in Kansas trying to explain to a professional diver that water isn't wet
Same model and spec.Sunday mornings in the eighties.
>>28902306Moving from a bike to a car is a five minute exercis, remembering a car is wider than the steering wheel is the new skill.
>>28902333>professional diver
>>28902333>I just said the AI pic from the other guy got it right.See his AI; raise you a different AI answer
>>28902504I have a local (slow) corner where my '75 likes to go sideways for no good reason. It has LDS and will make controlled slides either side of dead ahead at highway speed in a straight line. Great if you have traffic either side of you.
My dad's '97 E36 328i. I think it was Midnight Blue rather than the Avus Blue in this pic but I can't find a decent photo of a 4 door in that color. Auto sadly, but my dad also had a '91 Miat that he bought new and I learned stick in that.
>>28902598Sounds like your car is broken in some way
>>28902644It's just a big old go-kart.Pic isn't red but you can get the idea.
>>28902659>will make controlled slides either side of dead ahead at highway speed in a straight lineDoesn't sound right to me
>>28902504you realise that agrees with me right?
>>28902297>>28902504So yeah, a fully-locked LSD can induce corner-entry understeer in a FWD. And in some cases with RWD if your tires are good enough and you don't intentionally try to oversteer. But that's demonstrably not the case, having driven both types hard.Also, the sentence after the one you underlined:>Additionally, if the rear breaks traction completely, both wheels spinning might be harder to correct for a novice driver than a single wheel spin.BINGO that's the exact contention I made that started this whole argument - and there it is, on your image. Zoinks!>Understeers more at low speedshttps://youtu.be/emMAK0DxjeA?si=9zbmAwJbBPcj5JDKSee how the open diff pushes the front end outward from the cone, but with an LSD the nose is diving inward to the cone and he's steering with throttle?
