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BMW’s 2028 hydrogen car is shaping up to be a major win, with demand surging amid Middle East tensions - so much so that production may struggle to keep pace.
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Fuck me. The japs have been waiting for this for decades.
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>>28902192
They won
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>>28902168
Again, how is this better than EVs?
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>>28902207
It go vroom vroom like gas and diesel but it clean
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>>28902209
In manuelle?
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>>28902210
Le hace vrum vrum como los de gas y diésel, pero cero humo
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>>28902210
Happy fire gas go boom boom in engine instead of being stuck in freezing to death faggot bev box.
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>>28902168
Problem is it's auto only, McDonald's struts and the engine is made of plastic. Come back when it's not built to rental specifications.
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>>28902207
>EVs require a fortune worth of rear earth elements that degrade over time
>Requires its own brand new infrastructure

>Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and can be synthesized with electricity and water
>Hydrogen vehicles are the same as any other internal combustion vehicle and can use logistically identical infrastructure
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>>28902253
>EVs require a fortune worth of rear earth elements that degrade over time
bmw doesnt rely on REPM Motors
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inb4 UDM hate
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>>28902253
Hydrogen fuel requires a completely new chemical distribution network and massive capex into production of hydrogen fuels. It being abundant statistically has nothing to do with how available it is.

Now, US has a massive anount of natural gas and seemingly a lack of a clear use for it. Starting to produce liquidified hydrogen with it can make sense economically, but the clear use case is for logistics that are hard to difficult to replace with battery EVs such as heavy machinery and shipping. For consumer cars the large volume of hydrogen tanks alone kills the idea.
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>>28902253
Rare earths are mostly used in the magnets of permanently excited motors.
There are ways to avoid/minimize their use, like BMW building motors with external excitation.
There are other elements (Cobalt, Nickel) that are used in some types of batteries, but those are technically not rare earths.
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>>28902330
Why are we doing this? If we just leave the hydrogen complexed with the carbon, we canuse it and store it so easily @ STPs. Why are we acting like this?
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>>28902495
because zero carbon means zero carbon. lpg cars are the most economical form of transportation, and goyim cant have that anymore.
lpg engines also burn clean enough to be allowed indoors inside factories
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>>28902209
its cleanER, hICE still releases NOx, but you can have both ICE and EV on the same infrastructure if they all run on hydrogen, however most consumer hydrogen cars are EV like the mirai
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>>28902538
but why are we doing this?
zero carbon is the stupidest god damned thing Ive ever heard. why not zero calcium? why not zero potassium, seriously what the fuck are they doing?
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>>28902570
nox is not an issue, some new motors achieve the highest euro tier with just egr, and a hydrogen engine would have almost zero soot. A low compression engine with redarded high egr rate would also heat up within a minute or two
>>28902575
>seriously what the fuck are they doing?
you seriously have to ask?
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>>28902586
>These gases contribute to the formation of smog and acid rain, as well as affecting tropospheric ozone.
clearly it is
it doesnt really matter how clean it is in a vacuum, almost zero isnt zero, a penny is only 1 cent but 100 pennies is a dollar, 1000 pennies $10 and so on. if you are going to deploy hydrogen cars at scale, as a replacement for gasoline, you need to factor in that billions of people will be driving them, so even if its cleaner it still pollutes a shitton, if i had to choose between dog shit and explosive diarrhea id rather choose neither. yes hICE is better than regular ICE but ideally most passenger cars would be FCEV, there would still be room for hICE unlike with BEV but for most cars its unneeded
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>>28902597
>clearly it is
no you doofus, its not an issue because modern engines have nox reduction inbuild and hce dont share the same negatives as regular ice, like carbon fouling.
god forbid, they could even utilyse an scr cat for the last percent
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>>28902168
>he fell for the hydrogen meme again



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