The Supra with the B58 engine is dying. Will it be missed? Was it a success? I am thinking of FOMO purchasing one.
>>28918561Am I going to be raped by dealer markups? I hope in this economy, they wouldn't do that.
It's on a dedicated sports car platform not shared with sedans, so it's better than a 4 series. It's still uglier than it should have been
>>28918574It's a shame that BMW is abandoning the Z4 as well. I feel like this will be the beginning of the end for pure ICE sports cars. Toyota has some hideous 4 cylinder hybrid Supra planned for the next iteration.
>Advertised and engineered to be the C8 killer before the C8 was announced.>Gets raped by the C7>A non-factor to the C8>Not a pure Japanese sports car>Already considered under powered upon announcement.>Could have released with the S58 instead and been god-tierBiggest automotive disappointment of the last 15 years.
>>28918574>dedicated sports car platform>McDonald's struts
>>28918592it's the only good sports car toyota makes. the GR86 and GR Yaris both blow up trying to chase 4 cylinder camaros despite being advertised as 4 cylinder camaro killers.
>>28918614It is the modern S2000 with more power and reliable to boot.
>>28918561I'm sure it's a good car but couldn't they at least try to make it look good?
I have a feeling this will be treated as a rare gem from better times in just a few years. Especially the manuals.
>>28918561The Supra is the best new MANUAL sports car on the market under 80k, bar none.This board is such a bunch of faggots. >>28918564I would have bought it if I could find one for MSRP, instead I got the CTR for under MSRP.
>>28918631Definitely. It'll be treated like the S2000 from Honda. People are going to be bummed out that they bought pickups instead of the Supra.
>>28918631>>28918633>Two more weeks, Suprasisters!
>>28918578>Toyota has some hideous 4 cylinder hybrid Supra planned for the next iteration.they have to comply with emissions regulations or not build the car at all. it's not like they have a choice.
>>28918635Better to not build it at all.
>>28918632>The Supra is the best new MANUAL sports car on the market under 80k, bar none.so you're just going to ignore the way better looking BMW M2 Coupe? That has the manual and has the M carbon roof option that reduces weight by 48 pounds.
>>28918634I don't care if you buy it or not. But it's true. Of all the cars today I see becoming desirable it's this one. I drive a 90s Miata and grow collard greens and tomatoes, I have no stake in the game. But I know what I see. I started driving in 04, started posting here in 08, I've seen what happens. Remember the LS2 GTO? That was "just another car with flaws" not too long ago.
>>28918643Yes. The manual is worse (yes, there is a difference), the engine is tuned worse, you have to go to a BMW dealership, and it's more expensive. Yes, the M2 is an ok fallback option if you want to throw away 10k, or whatever it is, more for the badge.
>>28918561It died decades ago. If you want aBMW buy a BMW why would anyone waste their time and money buying a ripoff from a shitty company that can't even make an engine for themselves without it being a absolute horrid unreliable turd that blows up. I can't think of anyone who would do that except magazine racing nowrench posers
>>28918645Exactly. No car is perfect and this car and the Z4 has its flaws. But it is going to be extremely unlikely that a collaboration like this will happen again in the future. Bulletproof B58 with a chassis designed in collaboration with Toyota. It is going to be treated like a mythical high powered S2000 or Miata.
>>28918659>a chassis designed in collaboration with Toyotaall toyota did was throw their makeup on it. the car is virtually structurally identical to the Z5 it is based on.
>>28918645>rebadge a nu-BMW Z4>no real resemblance to the old one, just has Toyota and GR badges>BMW interior>wonder why only the Basketball-Americans bought them
>>28918670>only niggers bought MK5sWhat sort of deluded retardation is this?
>>28918668Holy fucking shit, This.Heads up to the toyota wrenchlets, if big name company "collaborates" and "joint ventures" with a smaller company on a product, the smaller (and better) company DID ALL THE WORK. See BRZ. The 'collaboration' words just trick their stupid low IQ fanbase so they don't feel bad about being a poser
>>28918670>REEEE I don't like it for [arbitrary reasons] despite it being great and one of few cars like it from the last 20 years.And this is how automotive legends and "hidden gems" are born.
>>28918678>hidden gem>some toyotaPICK ONE.
>>28918561>I am thinking of FOMO purchasing one.You really needed to get your larp in didn't you?
>>28918680You're still just talking about brands>This car isn't good because another company helpedWho cares? That is not what matters here. Low production RWD lightweight sports car in a time when that's rare - that's what will make it famous in the future. Your F150 or V6 Camaro will no have that appeal.
>>28918684They make millions of pickups and amerifat muscle cars. Cars like the BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra are a rare breed.
>>28918684>who cares?Toyota does. The next Supra will be designed in-house.
>>28918684>another company helpedThey helped alright, helped themselves to BMWs talent, and helped themselves with toyota badges and body panels. Things that nobody that isnt a dipshit wants. Fuck frauds.
>>28918686>in house>goyotaPICK ONE
>>28918689you seem mad. r u mad?
>>28918686No, the next Supra will be designed in collaboration with Mazda, and be an extended-range EV with a rotary generator
>>28918685there are probably millions of B58/ZF8 card on the road.
>>28918692mad that I know more about the kike way your faggot car company works than you ever will.
>>28918687And none of this matters to how a car is perceived in the future.Sure, you have some complaints about corporate purity or something, but in 20 years no one will give a fuck.
>>28918697Noooo but what if you glue a Dacia logo on it bro thats a whole different rare gem bro in the future people are going to want to flash that dacia badge trust me
>>28918697And how many of them are 2 seaters available with a manual transmission?
>>28918699>already forcing the memethis is all toyotard have, doggedly astroturfing their bootlegged 'future classics' only to be ignored
>>28918697None of them are on a 2 door, sports car chassis other than the Z4 and Supra and weighting around 3300 lbs. I am not talking about 2+2 coupes that weight 3700 like the M2. This collaboration chassis with the manual is special.
>>28918704>it was a collaboration, in my mind
>>28918699It will be a desirable because of the collaboration.
>>28918703Toyota is one of my least favorite brands (Mazda/Subaru/Chevy guy). You're missing my point, this isn't about brand. This car will be seen as desirable no matter what gripes you have with it.What other cars would you think are future classics? Let's hear it.
>>28918711This is your imagination.
>>28918698almost my burnt eyes gazing on you malding. Glad I'm anonymous because you might actually take a trip to my house to teach me a lesson. Whatever I did I'm sorry and don't ban me on reddit pls
>>28918714>he literally feels unsafeHoly shit what happened to you
>>28918713Obviously speculating on the future is imagination.What cars do you think will be future classics?
>>28918702>>28918704wow less seats and a slower transmission, so special.
>>28918718I can tell you what won't be, Toyota Cavalier for instance
>>28918715I keep forgetting you faggots can't sense sarcasm without a spoiler. I'm making fun of how fucking gay you are that you remind me of an unhinged reddit mod.
>>28918719>Less seatsIt should be "fewer seats," ESL-kun.
>>28918719You don't want unusably small rear seats in a sports car. Not having the rear 2 seats saves weight and helps the Supra have a shorter wheelbase. Having a driver's sports car is not about having the fastest car imaginable. Driving dynamics and feeling connected to the vehicle as much as possible is more important.
>>28918702>Zf8None of those will be aanual mate. Getting one with a clutch pedal makes sense but most people don't for>>28918670Reasons>>28918697>Millions on the roadTemporarily. B58 is above average by BMW standards, but it'll still do German things and ones that run past 200k miles will be rare.
>>28918720Wow. You have no response because you know I'm right. Shock of the year. That trailblazer isn't going to be a classic that people salivate over in the future.
>>28918726who says they have to be unusably small
>>28918728Then B58 can be made bulletproof with very cheap upgrades. You are guaranteed at least 150,000 miles on the Supra with regular preventative maintenance.
>>28918643>>28918632>bloated pigfat poser vehiclesthere are only two new cars that remain true to the sports car ideology of simplify and add lightness
>>28918735>comparing a lightweight, 2 door sports car, to a sporty revision of a 4 door saloon
it’s just a shittier 2 series UDM. no reason to ever buy one unless you’re a weeblet
>>28918755The 2 series does not have a dedicated sports car chassis with exactly 2 seats and 2 doors. The BMW Z4 is the brother to the Supra and it is an excellent car as well. >>28918735Too fat and heavy.
>>28918750the B58/ZF8 combo is what makes the supra what it is, without it all you've got is a miata with a shitty body kit.
>>28918749The GR86 is alright, I defended it here: >>28916756. I will add that they are marked up to shit and the interior is crap + they are slow stock and you can't do much with it without huge expenses.If you are in your 20s, absolutely get a GR86. If we compare value, GR86 > CTR for sure, but not > Supra. Supra is the best value in the car world right now.
>>28918719>wow less seats and a slower transmissionDo you appreciate cars beyond looking at specs? >>28918735>hurr just get this slower pigfat awd auto sedan Ah, so you're an actual retard.>>28918728>None of those will be aanual[sic] mate. Getting one with a clutch pedal makes sense but most people don't forAt least Toyota offers a manual with the 3.0L. BMW only offered one in the 4cyl Z4.
>>28918561Looks like a Chrysler.
>>28918824xdrive M340i with the ZF8 is faster than a manual supra GR.
>>28918842 It doesn't feel as good to drive.
>>28918842You're right, I was looking at the RWD m340. But it still handles and brakes worse and is less fun because of no wheelspin and auto.
>>28918874sure but regarding tire spinning you can use the xdelete app to switch between awd and rwd like the full M cars.
>>28918884Yeah, but the only reason it's even quicker to begin with is all the extra weight on the front end of the car from the awd system and the fun sapping auto. At the end of the day you'd still be chasing stats instead of buying it to have fun with and end up with a slightly quicker off the line car that's worse at everything else.
>>28918888dude they're going to feel 95% identical in 95% of all situations you drive them in.
>>28918900 LOL no
>>28918578>the next supra is a 4 cylinderthis has been said by toyota a grand total of 0 times.
>>28918561Should I pull the trigger on this purchase late May or early June? I don't want to miss out on owning this vehicle brand new.
>>28918592you seem to be forgetting some one else
>>28918592>>Already considered under powered upon announcement.You're right they should have made it a billion HP. Why not a trillion actually. Every sports car needs to be infinity broly HP twin turbo supercharged 7L V8.
>>28918900and you know this because you have extensive seat time in both right?or are you just spouting bullshit like the benchracing retard you are?
>>28918561My neighbor's 65 year old wife has a white supra like pictured. She just uses it to drive 15 minutes to work everyday.
>>28919264What do you think of it?
>>28918592Also fake vents
>>28919244i drive lots of cars and at least 90% of the experience of driving a car comes from the drivetrain.
>>28918561>euro shitheap that will need thousands in repairs by 10 years old because they engineer their plastic to last exactly as long as it has to to strand you at the most inconvenient time possible, such as when their piece of shit hard plastic coolant bleeder hose that cost them 36¢ to make that retails for $80 cracks, and requires pulling the intake manifold to access the engine side of it S
>Supra is the best value in the car world right nowit's 2x the price of an 86. doubtful it's 2x more fun
>>28918561I had a '23 manual. performance was decent, way too many stupid fucking design flaws inside and out, lots of questions about how it will be to maintain as it gets older. just get a Cayman
>>28919368>way too many stupid fucking design flaws inside and out, lots of questions about how it will be to maintain as it gets olderCan you please explain in detail? I'd love to be talked out of making a mistake.
>>28919370>visibility worse than the camaro>interior is almost coffin-likethe upside here is that sitting in it feels like sitting in a spaceship or something, kinda neat>2nd gear is taaaaaaaaal>shifting feel is mehsomewhat mitigated with a cdv delete, but the shifter itself is rubbery>steering wheelidk where they got it from, maybe a base model x3, but it's painfully bad. lots of aftermarket options tho >steering feel sucks until the car is fully warmed upidk what bmw is smoking but the steering goes from overboosted to decent as the car warms up>sucks with a helmetgetting into the car with helmet on was impossible, putting it on in the car was hard, and the way the headrest is angled makes it very uncomfortable. seats kinda suck in general>squirrely chassisI think they wanted it to feel a little wild like a S2000 or something, but I prefer a car that's more buttoned down and not prone to bumpsteer. swaybars and front camber plates can get the car properly dialed in but it's something that should have been fixed by Toyota after year 1, like the wind buffeting nonsense, which is fixed by a piece of plastic or even a fucking popsicle stick lol>shit stereofixed somewhat by porting and baffling the sub box >can't bimmercodeusing bimmercode fucked up the asshole electronic parking brake, causing it to disengage randomly. troubleshooting that mess with Toyota and the NHTSA was fun>electronic parking brakemaybe the worst thing lol(1/2)
>>28919483Thank you for you high effort, thorough reply. I really appreciate it.
>>28919370contd...>supportyou have to make sure your Toyota dealer has a Supra tech, and you can only get it serviced when he's there. my region had one Supra-trained tech who rotated around the dealerships, so it made routine service tricky. BMW dealers won't touch it. indie mechanics won't either. performance shops will, but at least in my case, the one I took mine to had crap software in their maintenance tool, which hosed my ABS system, requiring my car to be towed to a dealershipright after I got my car, it started throwing CELs and going into limp mode, and sat for 4 months while waiting for a Toyota engineer to come out and fix the problem. if you blammo the transmission or clutch, you might be looking at 6 months for partstldr is that despite being a BMW parts bin car, it's more like an exotic, with exotic car problems. it is a very fun car and good lord did it get me a ton of attention. every stop at a gas station turned into a yapfest
>>28919487What a shame. I wish Toyota put some effort into refining and supporting it.
It will crash in price to 30k before shorting up like a rocket and never coming down.
>>28918561In hindsight, I was WAY more excited for the concept car than what was actually delievered. Its a nice car, but it still doesn't DEMAND attention and respect like the old supra did. It probably would of cost 100k if they chose to produce the prototype. but when they finally delievered its just like "no we already have a supra at the house".
>>28919492It is a shame that the biggest auto company won't go all in on making a dedicated sports car. What would you say the ideal driver's sports car is today?
>>28919495A Porsche or a Corvette.
>>28919492Supra was made like the 86 where Toyota was still testing the waters following the collapse of scion. It is only a few years ago with the gr yaris that Toyota feels like there is a market for a completly Toyota built sports cars, which is why the next 86 will be toyota/mazda and the next supra and Celica will be all Toyota
>>28919496Are modern Porsche's as reliable as the B58? Are you talking about the Z=06 or the standard stingray?
>>28919497IDK i like the idea of the 40k japanese import supercar killer platform. but sometimes expectations have to die for Toyota to produce something of quality. I mean its still a great car that can peform and i remember watching Adam LZ get his supra and i think he just did bolt ons and a tune and was able to get it 600ish HP at the crank. i mean the new supra is "good" but also you have a fanbase of 2JZ die hards that wont like it because its not the same. next supra they make, there will always just be a crowd of discontent because its not a supercar killer 40k platform like the 90's model. >>28919498C7 and C8 are both nice cars. the C7 i do like a little more for the styling. and i do think that porsche has a good reputation for reliability for decades.
>>28919496How do you compare a mid engine v8 with bones to a v6 on McDonald's struts kek
>>28919504IDK i think that both Porsche and Corvette's offer people what they really want pure performance. Porsche does have the best winning record of any car manufacturer. I mean the younger side of me wants a Ferrari or a Lamborghini. but the logical man in me wants the car that actually wins and isnt all show. even though Ferrari does have a really good track record as a company for winning. Ferrari owners dont car though. they only care because the car is red. i guess thats also what is good, your not joining a club of retards if you get a corvette or a porsche.even now i look at Ferrari and Lamborghini as lame supercars. Pagani is where its at.
Just look at the interior dash for a Pagani VS Lamborghini VS Ferrarilike Pagani is so nice it makes exotic cars look like poorfag shit. its just next level. probably why they cost millions instead of hundreds of thousands.
>>28919511Sam Hyde's Lamborghini crash out on Instagram Stories was hilarious. https://youtu.be/vXKOPwJ2Ink?si=LyIv7VYnT86z4N7d
>>28919483>>28919487Wow, an insightful and honest post at /o/, the world must be ending.
>>28918574>It's on a dedicated sports car platform not shared with sedansWhy do people just make stuff up
if it doesn't have a throttle cable it isn't a real sports car
>>28918614>it's the only good sports car toyota makes.Toyota did not make the Zupra. Every one of the were built in Austria by Magna Steyr
>>28918614Why would those be advertised as Camaro killers? When has Toyota given a fuck about the Camaro? Is the GR Yaris even sold in the same markets as the Camaro?
>>28918803>Supra is the best value in the car world right now.Corvette still beat it there, specifically the C6 GS. Similar weight and power, but the Supra is $10-15k more just going off a quick search. In fact, looks like you could pick up a C6Z for Supra money and have more power with less weight.I don't dislike the Supra, but can't see it being the best performance for the dollar.
>>28919920I do consider the CS7 a competitor to the Supra, but if we are talking new Corvettes, there is no manual option.Someone on here said "As far as performance goes, however much Corvette you can afford is always the best answer. It's a boomer world and we are just living in it." Correct and iconic, but the new Corvette is too much of a boomermobile. I realize how subjective that is.
>>28919828Aren't these goyota fags so annoying though?Their ignorance is literal permashitposting
>>28919515Lambo's are cool they just are not all what they are cracked up to be. people scoff at 100k corvettes, but will pay 300k for a lambo thinking they are getting a step up like a Pagani. but meanwhile they get a titanium exhaust and plastic interior for an extra 200k.Exotics cars are cool but if i wanted a car that i could only take out and be a show off, but too scared to put miles on it or take to the track. i actually like the cobra daytona kit car, or an audi quattro rally, or a 67 elenor mustang, 1950's maserati 2000 gt or something old but still cool. im sure there is levels to madness though, if i had bezo's bucks id get the Pagani.my tastes have changed significantly though over what i value and think is cool.define "cool" define "class" if all you want is to get looked at, shelby daytona baby.
>>28919836>When has Toyota given a fuck about the Camaro? when their sports car lineup got shat all over.>Is the GR Yaris even sold in the same markets as the Camaro?the camaro was sold in europe where the yaris GR was also sold, so yes.
>>28918561I still don't understand why they had to ask BMW to design their car for them, when they could have just taken an LC500, ripped out the pigfat, and stuck an LS500 engine in it.>All Toyota designed and built>Turbo 6 cylinder (fuck you there's no reason it has to be inline, the old poopras had I6s because that's what Toyota made at the time)>Looks better than the jewnose>Fits the A80's heritage (riced out Lexus)
>>28920221Probably didn't think there was enough of a market to justify using their own platform and engine. Toyota are peak bean counters after all.
>>28920200The Camaro hasn't been sold in Europe in over a decade, cba to google it but I'd bet there was zero overlap between the Camaro and the GR Yaris being sold in Europe.
>>28920397>the camaro hasn't been sold in europe in over a decade >the year is 2026>the camaro started production in 2016>the only way for the camaro to not have been sold in europe in over a decade is for it to have never been sold there which we know is falseretard
>>28920401>ummm ackshually Nobody cares fagtron, you made me waste time googling it, the Camaro stopped being sold in Europe in 2019 and the GR Yaris was introduced in 2020, now fuck off.
