So the final solution to the EV question is actually pretty simple. Just make the batteries interchangeable. You may sacrifice range but you should be able to standardize and replace them quickly. This reduces the meteoric cratering of vehicle values for the client while giving the manufacturers the opportunity to take in profits on the batteries themselves just like gas stations. Long road trip? No problem. Just pull into the next Stop n Swap and you’re back on your way just like gassers in five minutes. Easy peasy.
Since (((they))) took out swappable batteries from phones, do you really think they're gonna allow EVs to have them?
This is so stupid. Imagine if instead of changing the oil in your car, you just swapped out the engine every time. Wow this is so much better than spending 30 minutes 3 or 4 times a year changing the oil! And with a brand new engine, the resell value would be better too!
>>28918822Nio already did this. The idea flopped.
>>28918831Yes because the labor intensity of the swap would be higher than an iPhone and more profitable>>28918867Nigga downsize the battery. Instead of 300 mile range you get 60. Pop the hatch. Old battery out. New battery in. Old battery off to recharge on company time. New battery in at a premium. Start the infrastructure up in cities where range is less of an issue and scale out.>>28918919Because they’re retarded anon.
So instead of charging your car in your home at night, they want batteries to be readily swappable so that you don't have to remember to charge it daily? It's a bit of hyperbole but instead of just charging regularly they want consumers to buy a second or third battery at $25,000 a piece for... Uh... Convenience?
I don't mean to be rude but I've seen people come up with "this genius solution" many times in the last 15 years or so. I once saw an anon even plan out swap stations.Is it actually a good idea? No idea.
The battery issue hasn't bugged me yet, but I mostly charge at home. I wouldn't even recommend an EV otherwise. Maybe gas users will never truly go away. It'll be for all of the homeless plebs.
>>28919009Retard take, this is how it would ideally work:>different stations offer their different batteries, for example you can stop at a Chevron station and rent their good batteries, or an Arco station and rent their shitty batteries>employees assist with swapping of your battery(ies), I feel they should be made into smaller cells to make it easier and more standardized>you drive away in 5 minutes with your new charged batteries, then return and swap them as needed>your vehicle does not heavily devalue as there's no degradable battery permanently attachedI know there are problems with this though:>most people will still charge at home making the swappable batteries not really needed, so they will be very expensive and not many companies would offer them>you'd have to go out of your way to return the batteries to their proper swap station, then what becomes of your original battery? I would have to be like this: you buy a Goyota car and it comes with Chevron batteries, or all stations are just required to carry the same standardized batteries so it won't matter, but there's also the chance you receive a degraded battery, there must be decent regulation and refund servicesIt's not ideal, I really don't think EV ever will be unless we discover super batteries that don't blow up. We really need that water powered car but I'm pretty sure that's schizo babble.
>>28919016This is the most chink thing I've ever seen. Instead of exiting your burning vehicle, you shoot the battery burning at 4000°C out at passing pedestrians.
>>28918996You should really start a startup. Investors would be dying to back this.>Instead of 300 mile range you get 60. 60 miles which becomes 30-40 whenever its cold or you go over 60mph, so most of the driving you'll end up doing is from one battery swaping shop to another.>Pop the hatch. Old battery out. New battery in. A very easy and trivial procedure for a battery pack that only weighs between 800-1000lbs. A simple DIY job for anyone, just break out your 2 ton hydraulic engine hoist, a common household appliance.>Start the infrastructure up in cities where range is less of an issue and scale out.Yeah just start opening up these full service shops all over the place, and it really will be all over the place since you can only drive 30-45 miles at a time. Just pop up about a hundred thousand or so, facilities that need to be constructed and them staffed and operated in perpetuity. Way more convenient than sitting at a charger once a week for 20 minutes.
>>28919034You're so far off logic I have to call you retarded. You're trying to take the gas station model and apply it to the EV market. So these battery stations are supposed to stock hundreds of batteries (assuming its been standardized to a certain size, shape, and power amount) at the prove of $20,000 a piece and keep them on hand with bespoke automation equipment all to swap out a battery with a whopping $8 of electricity in it for the price of what? $40? $80? How long in your stupid little head do you think it would take to get a return on investment for that $20,000 battery pack? What happens when that pack is just a case full of rocks? What happens when someone sues the station for giving them a shit battery that only gets them 100 miles down the road? What happens when a swapped battery burns the driver's house down? What happens when you realize you're retarded and belong on reddit?
>>28919051The biggest issue I see is in that wall of text: the liability from defective batteries or people "claiming" they got defective batteries after crashing into a tree.Also, a place that keeps a bunch of EV batteries on-hand sounds explosive, I wouldn't live near that.If such a system were implemented it could help with battery recycling and research (collect data from each cell) too.
>>28919016>>28919038I remember suggesting this as a joke on here and then well it became real :^|
Nio already does battery swaps, but it locks you into leasing a battery for life, the whole process takes over 5 minutes. Meanwhile Geely has sub 5 minute charge times in their EVs
>>28919060You know how the Beijing Olympics had a drone swarm demonstration but it turns out they had that capability because they were researching military applications?They'll be drop-shipping Changs in EVs all over the US with multiple smaller battery packs to be launched at targets. They're still sussing out how to puncture a cell as it launches for maximum carnage, according to my source.
>>28919051Then EVs aren't gonna work. I'm not buying if I have to wait 30-60 minutes on a road trip or risk burning down my house charging my shit. I pay to own, register, and insure a car for ultimate travel convenience. Not to have to cuck myself and my time.
>>28919072You don't stop to piss or eat? Just gas and go? Sounds miserable, and this is coming from someone who owned a diesel S class that could do nearly 1000 miles on a tank
>>28919058>Wall of textBoy, it barely fills half of my phone screen. You're gay.>EV batteries sound explosiveYou're so stupid you don't even know that batteries like this simply don't explode. They burn intensely for many hours, but explosion isn't the fear.>They could connect data from each cellAlright Schlomo, take your little business tricks elsewhere.
>>28919009Every battery rechargeable. As it loses life and when you occasionally need a longer range you just swap it.>You want them to buy a new one atNo trade it in like you do batteries at Auto Zone or propane tanks at the gas station>>28919034I would assume that we would have a Keurig issue where the government stepped in and standardized it all>Most people will still charge at homeCorrect we’re talking about an oil change equivalent more realistically than a gas refill but it really shouldn’t be difficult. They’re flat rectangles you can stack and slide into a compartment. It really wouldn’t even take up much space.
>>28919072>Then EVs aren't gonna work.You and the general American market. Road trips are a maybe once a year issue but for general use the market doesn't want them. It's something like 50% of current EV owners will not get another one. That's damning in it's own without any gasoline enthusiast like me doesn't need leverage for in an argument against EVs. The EV ship is sinking and the discounts sycophants are playing their violins as the water is rising. Maybe they think the battery fires will keep them warm in the Arctic Ocean.
>>28919084>No trade it in like you do batteries at Auto Zone or propane tanks at the gas stationAlright, I addressed that. You want a private business to buy hundreds or thousands of batteries at $20,000 a piece to keep stocked and charged as a fueling station that sells about $10-20 of electricity to consumers for (let's say) $100 a fillup?Have you ever used a calculator?
>>28919086I don't feel bad at all about owning an EV. If others don't want to, that's cool. It's not my life.
>>28919086The sad part is hybrids are shit too. I had a Prius and the battery started going to shit around 60k miles, completely not holding charge by 80k. The warranties are fake, took it in and they said I would've had to have the battery inspected every 20k miles for the warranty to be valid. Each inspection costs $400. Didn't even reach the point where I would've saved a dime in gas, so obviously never falling for the hybrid scam again. Sad truth is we're not breaking free if gas any time soon. It just isn't economically viable or convenient. I did all the math on how much I spend on gas a typical year, how much a hybrid saves (it takes a decade to break even), and how much an EV devalues vs ICE. Electrified vehicles are just not worth it, they're falsely marketed as being such but the math doesn't add up.
>>28919093A combustion engine periodically powering down and starting up to make use of electric capabilities will cause more wear than either combustion or an EV alike. It's its own category really and can't be compared directly to either.
>>28919096Yes it can, because it's an option we all have. I do like the idea of PHEVs because it's technically a multifuel engine. You don't get fucked on batteries as much and the vehicle can still operate even if they completely degrade.
>>28919114I'm just saying that its problems are unique to it. The startup process is hard on engines, and hybrids sort of live and die by it. Where they fail the most is in the combustion part, rather than the EV part.
>>28918822The chinese tried that. Tesla supposedly did as well but never fully committed.
>>28919072>>28919086Crazy how we've been listening to how EVs will "never work" yet they still gain market share every year and are now around 9% of all cars sold. Technically it's over 10% if you just count cars and SUVs sold and don't include trucks.
>>28919127There's a lot of wrenchies as well as dealerships who see that they'd be out of a job with EVs. Or at least, dealerships would have to learn to live by sales and not service.
>>28919127It's idiots buying their first EV. You'd have to be retarded or rich to buy a second EV when you see how many tens of thousands you lose when you go to resell even after just 3-5 years. EVs will not work for the working class, who can't even charge them because we don't have houses. My car lives in a dirty parking lot, how the fuck do you expect me to charge it? Oh go to a fast charging station and pay as much as I would for gas? Yiff off tranny. I would love to not have to stop at a gross gas station or pay the gas Jew but it's just not going to save me any money, I'm going to lose so much it would financially ruin me.
>>28919149If only electricity worked outdoors
>>28919127Totally organic, it had nothing to do with government incentives like $7,500 off, making ICE cars taxed over 100% of the car while EVs are untaxed (Norway...), or ICE cars being banned in places people live and work. That would be a crazy assertion.https://www.coxautoinc.com/insights/q1-2026-ev-sales-report-commentary/>As of early 2026, the US EV market share has faced a slowdown, stabilizing around 5.8%–6% in Q1 2026, down from a peak of 10.6% in Q3 2025 due to reduced government incentives and shifting consumer demand.
>>28919149If it was up to me, I'd see to it that apartments with garages would be modified with level 2 chargers. That wouldn't be super fast like a public charger or solve all of the working class issues though. Just the working class that are a little more upwardly mobile.
>>28919161Are you implying you want taxpayers to shell out for chargers in every apartment parking garage just because you want people to buy a certain product? That doesn't sound very free market to me.
>>28919165Not at all. I didn't mean a regulation. I meant if I was some bigwig who owned these big apartment conglomerates, I'd do something like that. Nowadays, big developers own tons of apartment complexes across multiple states.
>>28919149>>28919160Even if the market share does stabilize around 8-10% then... okay? Maybe the majority of the population decides it doesn't fit their lifestyle, that's fine. No one's forcing people to buy EVs if they don't want them. Conversely I never see anyone here saying "I don't want a diesel powered vehicle so they shouldn't exist at all and everyone should be forced to drive gas powered cars".
>>28919016kek at the chinese lithium rocket launcher
Flow batteries are the answer. Sure they're low power density but they can refuel as fast as ICE cars
>>28919170Fair, but they'd have to raise rent significantly and I'd assume they'd have to pay more in theft and fire insurance which would further increase rent.Absolutely makes sense in a hypothetical world of city-locked yuppies but people without EVs wouldn't want to pay more for it.
>>28919179>No one's forcing people to buy EVs if they don't want them.In some places they are. Norway made it so buying a 1.8L Civic and registering it costs multiple times what a Tesla does from a list of taxes so big no website seems to have all of the taxes. If the shittiest ICE car costs 2-3x your salary, you won't buy it.
>>28919192You're probably right. I just can't think of many ways to try to get the ball rolling in this sphere and possibly influence more competitiveness among developers. I guess they could build separate charging stations at these apartments too. Maybe bill it through rent. It'd still have to be cheap though.
>>28918822>>28919016you'll never guess where this is being rolled out already
>>28919170I don't think any of the big conglomerates would do anything to improve the infrastructure. They can jack up rent for no reason anyways because of the artificial scarcity for housing.
>no need for a million portable batteries being operated independently >no need for speed limits>no need for rubber tires>no need for extra couple million peasants / pounds on the roads annually during peak commuting hoursI fixed evs
>>28919231Those million peasants are getting crammed onto trains like sardines instead
>>28919231too un-Murican.
>>28919231Can't happen in the US. The tax money needs to be sent to Israel instead of improving America.
>>28919238>getting cramped in bugman cities and living your life literally on rails is improving America
>>28919231Aha, the perfect place for my morning pick-me-up!
>>28919243>>28919249i'd rather have these kind of people just happy to use public transport rather than doing this sort of thing behind the wheel
>>28919255I can't argue there at least.Ban wasteoids and drunks from driving.
>>28919255At low doses meth improves driving performance, dexterity, spatial intelligence, and awareness. It's a cognitive performance enhancer, that's why it got popular. It's just adderall+.2024 meta-analysis: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369847824001013>In many countries, the presence of MA while driving is illegal, despite variants of MA being prescribed as a legitimate medication for conditions that would negatively impact driving, such as narcolepsy and attentional disorders. On the contrary, the current findings suggest that therapeutic doses (<60 mg) may improve driving ability.
>>28918822How do you plan on guaranteeing the actual health of the pack you're getting? What if I get a damaged pack that leaves me stranded in the middle of nowhere?
>>28918919who told you it flopped? they've done over 100 million swaps so far.
>>28919273That's one of the biggest issues.Who is to say that someone didn't unload a defective pack?There needs to be some battery pack standardization, at least with connection ports and coolant hookups, so the swap stations could have test cells on-hand to bench test each one. Also each pack would need to be tracked with a unique identifier to know how long it's been used and such.
>>28919273pretty sure that would be found out while charging.
>>28919210Really weird they set the car down after taking out one pack. Figure they would just keep it lifted up during the whole exchange.
>>28919376The lift is built into the battery platform or whatever you want to call it, so it all retracts back into the floor when it takes the battery away.Realistically though, I don't know why you'd need to lift the car at all. Maybe just to provide an accurate reference point for the drivers unbolting the battery to accommodate different wheel/tire sizes?
>>28919416Probably to prevent the car from rolling around since driving licenses in China are given with cereal, either that or they don't trust the parking brake to work properly.
>>28919518The car drives itself into the change station, so that shouldn't be a concern
