Why is Tesla hated so much? They're pushing the boundaries of what is possible.
Putting a battery in a car hadn't been done before?
>>28932740Who claimed that?
Are these "boundaries" in the room with us right now?
>>28932735Because of people like you...
>>28932755>people like youYou think OP is the muskrat?
Tesla is the white man's car
>>28932763This, only brahmins like myself buy Teslas.
>>28932762Nah. It's just one of his cuck disciples working for the company for free. Yep after dropping $100k on one of their econoboxes they still feel the need to volunteer for the company.
they're more reliable than toyota and honda
>>28932786>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
>>28932735It's the 'government'. They're only pushing the future they want, and doing it forcefully and inefficiently. Regular car brands will not astroturf EVs as hard as a specialized DARPA subsidiary with some goofy jewish 'tech' celebrity as the public face of it can
>>28932735>put power wheels engine in a car>"pushing the boundaries of what is possible"LOL
>>28932735Tesla has not, and continues not doing anything impressive at all.
>current long range models have 250Wh/kg>batteries in the lab are already getting 380Wh/kg, some extremes getting up to 450wh/kg>lucid air has 512 miles of range>lucid air will have 700 miles of range in the near future, almost 900 a decade from nowits over icebros
>>28932735this is a board where many think auto headlights in cars are cursed black magic and auto climate control are mysterious voodoo trickery. You are in the wrong place if you think people will appreciate new tech here
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The boundaries in question
There is Corrolla numbers on the road where the back seat is actually a death trap, due the way the manual door release is hidden, in case of emergency. Still has the best NAV and pre condition integration in te industry
>>28933106I genuinely don't understand why they don't just put a manual handle in there. The amount of parts they have to use for the hidden emergency release has got to be more complicated and expensive than just putting a damned handle on the door.
>>28933106In case of a battery fire, you have precisely 10 seconds to get the fuck out, before the car becomes engulfed in crematorium-tier flames.
>>28932735Gas v Electric politicsLeftist politicsStock market shortsellerUnion politicsGrifter cottage industryetc
>>28933110It has to be about aesthetics, that's the only answer.
>>28932755fpbp
>>28933106>Hey, I know we just crashed, you're dazed from the impact, and the interior has filled up with suffocating acrid smoke making breathing impossible, but I need to know if this Tesla was manufactured in the Shanghai factory and if the manufacture date was before or after Feb 2025. TIA.
Tesla is pushing boundaries of their anus
>>28932735Because they are liars and frauds.I drive a Tesla. Its a good car. No matter how good it is they still lie saying its more than it is cause grift is in their blood.
>>28932769>Yep after dropping $100k on one of their econoboxesEVs are cheaper than gas.What really makes Tesla work is no matter how bad they are, legacy automakers are worse. Everythings awful.
Every Tesla I see in my city is driving by an Asian or Indian person. Not sure why it worked out that way.
>>28933052Reminder that these panel gaps are ugly but also make the car extremely loud at highway speed
>>28933302Might you be in a city that has a lot of asians that make a lot of money and are in tech industry?
>>28933235>caring this much about safetywhat a fag. Our parents would drive around in metal death traps that would crush them like a tin can.
>>28932966Auto climate is meh, but auto headlights should be mandated instead of all this spyware shit
chud car. anyone with a brain abandoned them years ago.>>28933261>i drive one but bro i am just like you guys amiritefaggot
>>28933052Holy fucking shit my car is beat and flexed after 2 decades with shtt tons of miles and it doesn't look like that
>>28933334>noooo you can't just care that you're driving on top of a massive high explosive that can't be extinguished by normal means in a vehicle deliberately designed to trap you inside!!! what about muh virtue signalling?!?
>>28932735Tesla could win a lot of fans if they branched from their current ways of streamlining things too much. All mechanical controls for essential functions, serviceability, everything as user friendly as possible. China and the EU are implementing a lot of laws to make that shit mandatory anyways, so why not take a headstart.
>>28933345>Nooo you need to worry about something that happens 0.001% of the time while I ignore the 60% chance that I'll become ground beef in a car without crumple zones
>>28932735I'm too stupid to work here. Also, you realize the type of image tech companies have been building for 20 years? The tiktok girl boss doesn't help. So they get the worst political image of both the left and right.
>>28933345Even if that were true, that sounds awesome as fuck. Just pure potential energy ready to unleash into the wheels with 95% efficiency.
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>>28932735wont call it hate. as for norway, we had real car guys, and thoose who wanted to be but they never got pushrods, carbs, turbos, diesel smell, rattling transmissions, all the stuff that to us made cars fun they just wanted a fast spaceship on wheels with app control that goes bzzzz. then tesla came and they all collectively jizzed their pants, it had all the gadgets and big screen and would outrun all our cars. but we didnt care. the so called hate is completely based on us not giving a fuck.>b-b-but i have a fast car?yeah whatever...also tesla not being a seasoned car manufacturer has way more problems than ev from well known brands and are currently lacking behind them.
>>28932735i hate them because they look so fugly and now every time a marque tries to make their own electric car it's become a race to see who can design the fugliest one yet
>>28933668That's not unique to EVs.
>>28933606It's reddit to be high test? Well, you can call me reddit and I will call you mam since what else would all those estrogen injections be for?
>>28932735isn't the build quality of their cars garbage?
>>28933734Yes but it's the same for other American cars.
>>28932735They used to be the "cool EV" frontrunner, which lead to the usual suspects acting like it was the second coming of Christ and that ICE's were over. Then Musk attached himself to Trump and burned Tesla's previous fanbase.Then he picked a fight with Trump and released the shitty cybertruck which led to his newer fanbase turning against Tesla.And with all that, he started pushing shit test features into production, breaking stuff, poor built quality and generally fell behind in comparision to other EV's.Basically, it pissed off everyone who ever liked it while at the same time failing to do something new and good to attract new buyers.
>>2893373410 years ago, when they were first making their car. They've since fixed that long ago. Rather than "build quality" in general, it was mainly alignment issues that was the most apparent one. The quality of material itself was fine and the real core engineering of the car was fine. The structural engineering made it the safest car EVER designed and tested in all the safety testing systems today. All their cars rank in top 5-10 and they only have 5-6 different cars, so their entire model lineup are the safest vehicles ever made. And the reliability themselves are pretty good, aside from some early issues that were addressed throughout the years. If you watch the latest Model S review that compared the Model S today and the Model S from 2012, you get the sense that it had 60 year worth of design changes, engineering changes, etc. Their vehicles are always being updated every few months to address any issues that arise. I think I remember one poor decision that Tesla did make early on was to remove the noise dampening carpet. Back when they were FIRST designing a car. But later on they added it, padded it, double padded the entire window, layered everything with carpet, went through multiple wheel designs, so as to reduce the road noise. Road noise wasnt a big issue for gas cars when the engine is rumbling and drowning out everything but with EVs not having the noisy and vibrating engine, the road noise became a huge issue.
>>28933747Biden went after Musk's companies before Trump. He shutdown Tesla's only factory(before China factory came up and before Germany factory). The only car factory in the US that was shutdown during covid was Tesla. They shutdown the entire company's factory for few months and it would have killed the company. Musk initially said they would appease the regulators and shutdown, but then the regulars would allow the factory to open back up. Thats when Biden went after him for speaking out about the covid shutdown.
>>28934070>regulars would NOT allowTesla was supposed to be the WEF's sacrificial example
>>28934066>made it the safest car EVER designedUnforunately, Tesla popularized electronic door handles that can't be opened manually without knowing about the obscurely located emergency release.In the past decade, 15 deaths were attributed to these door handles in Tesla cars.There's a reason why a certain country that can't be mentioned here banned them.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-12-22/tesla-door-safety-tied-to-at-least-15-auto-accident-deaths
>>28934075Thats a bad design tbqh, but I'm fairly certain it was copied from some of the sports cars they had learned from. They had fixed the front driver/passenger side doors with manual lever. However the rear passenger doors still have this nonsensical design. They really need to fix it.
They look like soap bars. The white is horrible too. The Model S looks cool though. The only Tesla car I tolerate.
>>28932735>Why is Tesla hated so much?It's r3ddit thing since Musk turned republican and maga.
>>28934190Before that the plebbit soys were gushing over them which naturally drew the ire of normal car people
>>28934075Kinda cringe to pin blame on them for "popularizing" it but not the ones who actually invented it and were using the practice for years and years
Nobody even remembers the guy who invented the company and who DARPA bought the company from.
>>28934337>Nobody even remembers the guy who invented the companyBecause he didn't do shit. "Inventing" a company deserves no merit.
>>28934341Fuck off musk, seriously
>>28934343Being angry doesn't stop me from being right
>>28934350Being an unabashed kike doesn't make you right either. Remember PayPal? yeah. Remember 'launching' the Roadster into space? Yeah. Zero days without jewish tricks.
>>28934088They look like slightly retarded 2010s Mazda, because DARPA hired designer Franz Von Holzhauer, who designed the smiley face generation of Mazdas. Holzhauer went hard on the 323 neo body shape
>>28934351A tangent. How cute. Must not have believed very strongly in your original stance if you abandoned it so quickly.
>>28934358>didn't even notice the flex>has no idea who made the roadsterI accept your concession
>>28934359It's 2026 dude. We all have access to the same Wikipedia article. I know exactly as much about the founding of Tesla and the development of the roadster as you do. Probably more actually because you don't strike me as someone with good reading comprehension or retention
>>28934316>>28934190Before the reddit politics hate, there was stock market driven hate, people here loved to post about how tesla stock is down therefore the car is bad somehow. It was hilarious. The reasoning changes like chameleon
>>28932735Because Elon musk engages in gang stalking
>>28932959>Gasoline has an energy density of 12000 Wh/kgLol, lmao even
>>28933412>0.001% of the timeIt's practically 0% of you use FSD. It drives better than any human on earth and has superhuman reaction times, like 0.2 seconds.
>>28934420It drives into trains
>>28933408I guess it's part of their core philosophy.They don't want to sell "car (electric)", but "iphone (drivable edition)".Didn't they even move the reverse/forward switch to the screen in a couple of model years?
>>28934411Petrol is more energy dense but extremely inefficient. Electricity is really efficient. Something like 99% efficiency. Petrol is at 30%. And you support arab camel fuckers and mutt pedophiles every time you buy it.
>>28934543Even if petrol was 5% efficient that is 600 Wh/kg, better than any of your "extreme" lab darling batteries.
>>28934543'petrol' is neither efficient or inefficient. Combustion, a chemical proceed, can essentially be 100% efficient. What you're trying to complain about is the ability to extract all the combustion heat as the work you intend to do, ie turn wheels, and do it all insitu. An ICE is afterall just a generator with real time output. That said, the few heroes out there with their nose to the grindstone, doing the hard engineering work, are advancing ICE to over 50%. That's an amazing percentage, directly from combustion to work. Electricity also, is neither efficient or inefficient. To compare the losses from a battery to a motor, to the losses of combustion of a chemical fuel to wheel HP is a classic argument that only brainlets, midwits at best, keep trying to make. That's not actually how any of this works
Not complying with US, State, or international laws.
>>28933423Is this AI shilling?
>>28934565the point is not to be at parity with gasoline retard, if it was even half as efficient then everyone would be driving EVs
>>28934565Weight has nothing to do with it. No one measures energy efficiency by comparing work done to weight. That's the dumbest measurement possible.
People need to grow out of propaganda and then be a rational actor that looks with cost/benefit analysis for car ownership. Stuff about political feelings, emotional feelings, muh souls, and muh loud vibration, are unreliable metric
>>28935026>muh loud vibrationYou can literally measure NVH
>>28932735>They're pushing the boundaries of what is possible.Norms literally believe this btw lol
>>28935033Sure, but wrong metric. Some people love the gas car because of loud noises and extreme vibration created by the engine of the car vibrating the entire car.
>>28934543>Electricity is really efficient. Something like 99% efficiency.A battery vehicle is 85-95% efficient.But here's the thing, batteries just store electricity made elsewhere.The biggest electricity source worldwide is burning coal to boil water to create steam to spin a turbine with a generator at the end. 25-50% efficiency. Then it has to be modulated for transport, transported, modulated again, and transported to the charger, then into the EV (every single step here has losses, there are even losses in the power lines). The biggest source in the US is burning natural gas with all the other steps as above. Nat gas is 30-60% efficient (higher if dual-cycle, sorta like a turbo strapped to a power plant).Sometimes 2/3rds of the efficiency is already lost by the time it gets to the EV. Then EVs weigh a lot so F=ma they use more energy to accelerate the same or maintain speed.
>>28935061>The biggest electricity source worldwide is burning coal to boil water to create steam to spin a turbine with a generator at the end. 25-50% efficiencyIn the world where EVs are thriving, the power generation comes largely from nuclear/solar/hydro/natural gas more than coal. In third world countries, coal is one of the main energy supply.>Then it has to be modulated for transport, transported, modulated again, and transported to the charger, then into the EV (every single step here has losses, there are even losses in the power lines).True, but its worse for oil and gas because you need to burn the gas for the vehicle delivery. Where as electricity is transmitted across wirelines. The gas burned in the trucks/cars have <10% total efficiency from fuel to wheel energy. 70% is lost on just engine inefficiency loss, another 20% loss on drag the trucks are traveling by the road, another <5-10% on idling/drains.
>>28935082I don't care.What I care about is people who think BEVs are inherently 90+% efficient when that is only true in the rarest of cases. Why do I care? They can vote with both their votes and money and someone is telling them free energy exists if you just buy [product].Most electricity worldwide is made from burning fossil fuels, most electricity in the US is, too.
>>28935082>nuclear/solar/hydro/natural gasThese are just as damaging than burning coal. There is no such thing as "green" energy.
>>28935099BEVs have ~99% battery -> motor efficiency. Gas have ~20% fuel -> engine efficiencyAdd in other stuff in the hood and power into the wheel and drag, then the gas efficiency drops down to <10% while driving. While EV drops from 99% down to <70-80%. If you want to argue about energy transport, then electricity is still more efficient with powerline loss being only ~1-3%. While the gas transport is extremely inefficient. The most efficient form is large barrel transportation on the sea, but even that is nothing compared electrical transmission lines. If the gas is drilled from under your home and then fueled in your car, then the efficiency would be same as electrical lines for "transportation". Otherwise, its completely inefficient. And in my state and the states surrounding it, almost all my state's energy is from hydro. So its the best there is.The worst case scenario where you're burning coal or natural gas and delivering power from power plant to home to charge, the worst thing for EV is that it becomes a hybrid level efficiency. And hybrids are still better than gas cars. And in the end, how much I pay matters more than any amount of propaganda. $5 to charge my 300 mile car to full is better than paying $150 for a gas guzzling suv. I'm not paying $300 extra per month for the privledge to drive a gas car lmao. I'm fine with $10/m. $300/m car payment per month + $150/m insurance + $10 / m electricity to charge upvs$300/m car payment per month + $150/m insurance + $300/m for gas to fuel up
>>28935061>Hurr durr, some power plant use coal, so let's pretend there's no other way to generate powerBrown middle eastern oil barron hands typed this.
>>28935117And for certain case where you buy a used EV, the cost of ownership is just your insurance. So it can go down to <$100/m total for just insurance and electricity. Really, leasing a new EV car for $250/m is cheaper than driving a free already owned old gas car.
>>28935099See: >>28935118You're actually retarded if you don't think there's value in buying in to tech that allows us to diversify grid electrical inputs without having to retool the automotive market. Gas only works with gas, ever. Electrical might use gas now, but it's not gas alone, and in the future it will be less gas if you retards stop shilling against nuclear.
>>28935099>I don't careJust say you suck cocks and got caught lying
>>28935117Your motor efficiency is not going to be 99%, it's gonna be like 95% at one specific torque & rpm. Realistically it's going to be maybe 85-90%.>>28935120insurance for EVs is pretty pricey
>>28935125>Your motor efficiency is realistically 4x greater than ICE vehicles, so it's worse.
>>28935125>insurance for EVs is pretty priceyOnly because if you buy new car or you're a newer younger driver. Same shit for new car anywhere. If you drive shitbox, ofcourse your insurance is going to be lower
>>28935128I'm not saying it's worse but there's no point in using an unrealistic made up number.
>>28935129Wrong. Insurance on EV's new or used is expensive because the repair costs on them are brutal. If there is ANY damage to the pack, even a little scratch, then the vehicle is mechanically totaled at that point and they're paying you out at that point. It's a lot cheaper to insure a $100k Corvette than it is to insure a $10k Corolla or Civic.
>>28935117Don't forget. The oil also has to go through drilling, transportation, fractional distillation, purification, transportation again, and then it can make it in to a gas pump to get in your car. Each step in that process requires even more oil and more electricity. The only valid argument in favor of ICE engines have to do with proven longevity, and they're more fun to drive because they make a vroom noise. Any other argument is coming straight from a retard.
>>28935134Repair cost for any new car is expensive dumbass
>>28935134The retarded dealer repairs are purely a logistics/emerging markets problem. As soon as more shops become familiar with rebalancing/conditioning battery packs and the technology becomes more ubiquitous (and it will as long as shills like you stop bitching about ICE engines being the end all be all of transportation), repair costs will go down from full replacement to actual repair.
>>28935141Not a Tesla shill btw, Tesla can get fucked. They haven't innovated since 2016. Go test drive an Ioniq 5 N
>>28935137ICE vehicles don't automatically need a engine, tranny and fuel tank replacement when they get into a fender bender... Yes body panels are expensive to repair but nowhere near what a battery pack costs to repair on top of all the body work. >>28935141There will never be any nigger rigging when you're dealing with the liabilities of a 2000lb incendiary device. The insurance companies will always total them and they will never insure a EV with a repaired pack.
