I recently completed a ~600 mile road trip and I don't think people who don't use cruise control realize how big of a menace they are on the road. I know a lot of posters here will try to act cool and say "oh i don't need nanny convenience features like cruise control i am one with the machine i can determine by mph with my balls" but trust me you are NOT at good at maintaining a set speed as you think you are.
>>28933385>I recently completed a ~600 mile road trip>but trust me you are NOT at good at maintaining a set speed as you think you are.lol you, a shit driver, did a baby road trip and sucked at it and you think you get to talk for the rest of us?I drive coast to coast every year and have never used cruise control
>>28933385My fancy luxury car with leather seats, wood trim and an LSD does not have cruise control and I'm one of those people who can't keep a steady speed.You can pass me if it makes you upset.
>>28933385Just pass them retard
i wish my car had cruise control
>>28933385the chad croozer vs the virgin cruisedrone
>>28933401How did I "suck at it" because you want to drive at every interval between 65 and 75 with no consistency?>>28933407No duh. And then 3 minutes later they pass me. And then I pass them again. And then pass me again. And then I try to pass them and they speed up to match my speed. Then accelerate so I can't pass them. Then slow down again and I pass them again. Then they pass me again.
>>28933385bruh, I have a shitbox manual car as my daily driver>fuck you, I'm not spending money that could buy you a computer or a house on a car that can get totaled by the next crack/opioid subhuman or senile citizen fleeing from policeI physically don't have cruise control, power steering, or ABS, and I don't even look at my gauge cluster when drivingBECAUSEafter 10 years of driving, I instinctually maintain a constant distance to the car ahead of me, and I adjust my speed subconsciously without ever touching the brakes.You just suck ass driving, plus you are a financial midwit that is too proud to drive an old car, or to even consider not that many people have cruise control in their cars to begin with, but you're too poor to buy a new car with adaptive cruise control.What are you even doing on my board? Fuck off to facebook or whatever boomer / young age boomer site you just crawled in from
>>28933418Then stop going exactly the speed limit, go 5-10 over
>>28933421This does not matter to retards who don’t use cruise control, they do the same thing no matter what speed you pick. OP is right and non CC users on the interstate should feel bad.
>>28933421What speed I'm going is irrelevant. The point is I'm going the same speed.
>>28933418>How did I "suck at it" because you want to drive at every interval between 65 and 75 with no consistency?Because I can and I consistently do. you're literally projecting your inability to drive as if its some default reality
>>28933385My cars don’t even have cruise control, even if they did, on long drives not using cruise control makes me less drowsy, using cruise control removes you from the process of controlling the car and makes me more tired faster
>>28933418>>28933426>be me>constantly adapt to road conditions with the power of my human brain>magically latch onto the car in front of me and move behind him whether he's going 60, 70, or 85>it took until the last decade for this black magic of human eye-brain-foot coordination to be replicated by a computer with a collision avoidance radar>feels good to be the apex intelligence on this planet...>be a mentally-handicapped driver>rely on CC entirely>set it to 75>sit in your lane, hogging it and forcing every faster car around you to overtake you, overcrowding the surrounding lanes>eventually, you crawl up to within 100 ft of someone going 2MPH slower than you>you don't slow down>you don't accelerate to overtake>you keep pulling up closer and closer to the car>you're 30ft from the car and closing in at the blistering speed difference of 2MPH>if troopers weren't busy PITing crackheads, they'd have pulled you over a mile ago>you're 20 ft from the car ahead of you>you suddenly wake up, realize you can't overtake because every other lane is going at a different speed than you>you cry out in pain as you disengage the CC>you hammer the brakes like a retard>you want to create separation quick, but now you're going 55 in the middle lane and drivers behind you very nearly rear-end you>go into an uncontrollable road tard rage, keep simmering until you reach home>rush home, don't even reply to your wife as she greets you between her orgasmic shrieks>boot up your PC and open this thread
>>28933448Your projection is fun, you don’t even have a car
>>28933439Again how is it "my inability to drive". 8 don't think you read the post right. Tell me right now what you think the thing is you're saying I "suck at"
>>28933456because you cant drive at a consistent speed and you're projecting that onto other peopleeveryone I know can drive at a consistent speed on cross country road trips without touching cruise control
OP is pathetic and doesn't mind his own buisness.
>>28933448You're also misunderstanding the post. It's not MY driving that's the problem. It's the other people on the road who are constantly bouncing around between 10 under the limit and 10 over the limit and also every other number in between the two. It has nothing to do with following distance, it has nothing to do with driver skill. It's playing leap frog with another car for miles and miles and hours and hours because they don't seem to be aware that there are even other cars on the road and the speed they feel like going at any given second is completely random like its quantum physics
>>28933460Okay so you did simply misread the post. You aren't aware you did, but you did.
>>28933463Life isn't an autistic and rigid experience where everything is a linear constant you degenerate dog shit driver retard
>>28933448anon, they have adaptive cruise control now. it matches the car in front of you once you get close>it still sucks, because when someone takes an off-ramp 500ft in front of you it freaks out and slows down to their exit ramp speed (20mph)
>>28933465Okay then justify driving erratically. Life isn't constant, so on one stretch of flat road in good weather with light traffic, explain why you're driving 65 for a few miles, then speed up to 80 for a few minutes before settling back down to 70, then creep your way back down to 65 again before zooming back up to 73. Clearly this must be some advanced driving technique that only the most skilled and life experienced road trippers can understand.
>>28933385>Can't keep constant speed>Slow down to -25mph the speed limit on uphills or if the road is straight for 10+miles>Start to overtake>They speed up and keep accelerating until you are both doing +25mph the speed limit>Either that, or they get mad you got in front of them and speed past you only to stay in front of of for some reason
>>28933474NTA but literally just take your foot off the gas / get adaptive CC
>Slow down when approaching a cluster of cars to stay in the open area>Speed up going down hills and carry the momentum up with minimal throttle to minimize fuel use>Some dipshit that has cruise on in the left lane going 2 over who never moves right after passing is having an existential crisis because I don't use cruise controlOh no.
>>28933484That’s not a cc problem that is a camper problem
>>28933487I added that bit because I see it a lot on interstates. But it's absolutely a cc problem - look at OP he started an entire thread raging that people don't use cc and thinks he's better for it somehow. When, in reality, he probably drives like shit and other people have to be creative around him. Then he gets mad and thinks that people normally drive like that.
>>28933489I think the bigger problem is interstates being stuck at 2 lanesthis happens a lot less when you have 3-4 lanes to move around in
>>28933482Holy shit now you're deliberately missing the point
>>28933493You don't need more lanes when lane discipline is the law.When I drive long-distance I generally drive faster than everyone. cc on or off I filter right and pass left then immediately filter right.ccfags are zoned out checking grindr and just hang out left and freak the fuck out when I tailgate or pass on the right.
>>28933385the worst drivers when it comes to not using cruise control are in the midwest where there are some minor hills.these retards do not understand how to maintain speed going up a hill>55 speed limit>everyone going 60-65>slight hill>both lanes of fuckers drop to ~45>never recover, continue driving under the limit>miles later they finally speed up>another hill comes up, another drop by 10mphColorado is worse, fucking tourist in the left lane going 20 under up a hill climbIf these fucking retards would use cruise control, not only would their vehicle maintain speed, they would also realize that their vehicle downshifts and accelerates on its own, compensating for a hill. I use cruise all the time. I get on a country road, accelerate to 60, hit cruise in 4th gearthen I shift to 5th, and maybe 6th gear. Cruise stays on and even matches RPM for the next gear.I see a hill, should the car struggles a bit in 6th, drop to 4th, then back to 6th on a flat road. All without touching the accelerator.>>28933420>I instinctually maintain a constant distance to the car ahead of me, and I adjust my speed subconsciously without ever touching the brakes.>doubt.pepeI used to think that way too and then I realized how much speed I loose going up hills and on turns. Its quite obvious when you are driving next to a car that is using cruise control, or FSD. I used to think that I was excellent at maintaining speed. But then I started using cruise control and it became very obvious that I was not maintaining speed going up hills. Now I let the cruise do that for me.even if you are as good as you say you are, 99.98% drivers are not good at all.
Cont....I've caravaned with buddies for 900 miles, Chicago to Denver. Lead car wont use cruise, constantly varying his speed. I've had enough, and take the lead. Set cruise to 8mph over the limit. everyone is following me. Every fucking hill and turn they all fall back by a quarter mile. catch up to me and try to pass me on the left going like 3 over my speed. Slight hill comes up, they are no longer passing and fall back. message me in group text accusing me of speeding up and blocking them from passing.morons.
>>28933489>and thinks he's better for it somehowI'm not better because I use cruise control. I'm better because I'm maintaining a consistent speed. I'm better than people who can't do that. If you can do that without cruise control, cool. I'm not talking about you. A lot of people can't see the forest for the trees here, they're so focused on the cruise control thing but the whole point is people who drive erratically. That's the point. I don't care how fast you want to drive or how you choose to maintain that speed as long as you CAN maintain. There's no defense for "I want to drive 5 under the limit and then speed up to 5 over and then slow down again". You can technically do that with cruise control too. The point is if you do that then you suck, regardless of how you do it
>>28933489But cc helps alleviate that by stopping the retarded passing all the time. Your made up scenario depends on not the cc being used but the camper in the left lane. Nowhere near dependent on the cc being used.
>>28933500>If these fucking retards would use cruise control, not only would their vehicle maintain speed, they would also realize that their vehicle downshifts and accelerates on its own, compensating for a hill.CC uses more fuel than not in this condition.You want to accelerate downhill then carry speed uphill at 2-5% throttle without dropping below the speed limit.CC will go the speed it wants to, then it has to downshift when the hill comes and spend more fuel fighting gravity.
>>28933510>But cc helps alleviate that by stopping the retarded passing all the time.>Passing is retarded! Everyone must go the same speed!No.
>>28933517oh here we go with another retarded claiming cruise control giving it more beans going up a hill somehow wastes any measurable amount of fuel.as opposed to what? lugging your engine up a hill, loosing speed, distance and time instead of downshifting to a more efficient power range and leaving the cattle behind?whatever fuel you use going up a hill will me made up once you start going downhill.you're not doing anyone a favor going 20 under so you can coast downhill later.
>>28933523I use gravity to speed up on the preceding downhill, or I use *less throttle* than it would take to accelerate uphill to speed up before the hill.Does that make you mad?
>>28933518Yes, you would know this is you drove anywhere.
>>28933525yes, specifically when you force other drivers to go around you up a hill cause they are not penny pinching jews.
>>28933528>Everyone around me is going 75>I'm going 90>Speed up to 100 before a hill and keep it above 85 during the hillOh, how I inconvenience others!
>>28933420I'm this anon>>28933500>>28933502The one thing I do look at regularly when driving is the fuel economy gauge.One thing that's good for car longevity is driving with a constant engine load. Hell, I'd appreciate if there were a gas pedal position selector you could engage like CC. Unironically old farming equipment had it before GPS-guided semi-autonomous tractors, and you could set the tractor to crawl and walk next to it doing other related tasks.You'll notice that competent drivers avoid flooring the engine by keeping a high power setting going downhill, and even drivers you know to obsessively respect the speed limit in-town will go 10-15 over on a highway downhill. They'll then use this "pre-invested" energy to climb back up the next hill while gently slowing down to 5 under, while keeping the same high-but-not maximum engine load.The end result is that I've been driving the same car from 80,000 miles to 310,000 miles and my engine *doesn't* burn oil.I do maintenance on my brother's car, which is also old, if a bit younger (he's a fitness chad, he doesn't understand cars or care about them, and he won't buy a replacement until the wheels literally fall off of it while driving), and he cruise-controls his car to the minimum socially acceptable highway speed, i.e. he gets in line behind a semi and sets his CC to the semi's speed, and he camps in the slowest lane - spending money on gas is an annoyance to him.When he brings it over for fixing, the fucker smokes. I don't even have to do anything with the car, I just lend him my car and use his for my highway commute, and after 1 or 2 daily commutes, the car doesn't smoke and idles better.(cont.)
>>28933531>going 30 over to crest a hill is somehow more fuel efficient than maintaining a constant speeddont they teach basic math in American anymore?
>>28933534>look at regularly when driving is the fuel economy gauge.this is where I stopped reading.Sell your car and start taking Uber.
>>28933497you can't really do lane discipline if the right lane is full of trucks going 10-20 under the limit and you will need to get around them periodicallythis is an issue of overcrowding on narrow highways accommodating loads they were never designed to
>>28933535I have an mpg readout. I experiment.Have you heard of gravity? You can use it to accelerate downhill without stressing the engine. It takes the engine more work (load) when it's fighting against gravity.
>>28933540>lane disciplinetry again.
>>28933541have you heard of not being a main character cunt? you're not the only person on the road. If you want fuel economy, take the frontage road and stay below 30mph.this thread is about maintaining constant speed, not being a cheap shit.
>>28933542yeah so it makes it a whole lot worse when there's only 2 lanes, merging traffic, road work, etcthe solution here is widening highwaysnot to mention crazy people who won't let you pass on the left and will tail you in the left lane WHILE you pass, even if you move over as soon as you are done passing an ultra-slow truck
>>28933534(cont.)Flooring it gives you oil dilution with fuel - engine nameplate power should really be 80% of the official ratings, since those last, top 20% of hp are made at the cost of fueling the engine rich.Then, if you're going on a downhill followed by an uphill, the needless engine-braking loads up the engine with valve stem oil, followed by an aggressive fuel-rich full throttle pull on the uphill, which gunks up everything inside the engine with a sooty mess. The engine is over-cooled on the low-power, high-speed downhill, and then overheated when the CC has to downshift into high RPM to get the car back up.I guess this discussion will be pointless in the hybrid car future anyway. Still, the wages of using CC are early engine wear and all the ancillaries shaking loose as the car regularly uses full throttle and kickdown
>>28933385I dont know why anyone would want to do that to their ankles and knees.I've driven hundreds of 300-500 mile trips and several 1500+Cruise control is great.Fuck the rest of the self driving shit though.I'm just waiting to get wrecked by a dumb fuck on their phone not paying any attention.
>>28933540All I'm saying is to move over after you pass. That's all. It even keeps you awake and mentally alert and forces you to check your mirrors.ccfags zonk out and just stay in the left lane.When driving out of cities on interstates, there usually aren't that many vehicles and there are huge gaps. All you have to do is move right, otherwise you're gonna get upset when people pass you on the right. Not saying you specifically.
>>28933544>have you heard of not being a main character cunt?No. I am the main character of my own life.If you get upset over this shit, maybe YOU are the one with main character syndrome because you expect everyone else to behave like a programmed NPC in a video game to make things easier for you.
>>28933545sounds like a skill issue.its not hard to stay inside your lane doing all that while using turn signals and being courteous to other drivers.>crazy people who won't let you pass on the leftif your car doesnt have the power to pass quickly while leaving the seether left lane boot kissers behind, then dont pass.
>>28933550>expect everyone else to behave like a programmed NPCyoure describing society. Either you pass without being a nuance, or you stay with the flow
>>28933552you are assuming others are courteous and are not willing to be reckless um no they are purposefully flooring it to intimidate me lots of people drive dangerously your world of polite drivers doesn't exist
>>28933546>Flooring it gives you oil dilution with fuelyou are 100% wrong.all oil dilution happens at idle and when the engine is cold.using your car for 10 short trips causes 100x more wear than if you were to sit at redline going 90mph for 500 miles.
>>28933553>Either you pass without being a nuanceThis is what I do.I'm just saying that OP is getting upset over nothing. Maybe, if he's encountering real issues often, maybe it's because of how people react to how he drives and he is completely oblivious that he is doing something wrong? Who sits there and thinks "oh, I bet they aren't using cruise control, I'm soooo much smarter than they are" instead of just fucking driving?
>>28933554>>28933556yes lots of assumptions. you dont need to pass and be reckless. but the faster you get out of their way, the less impedance you cause.you can be a nigger and "swim" in traffic or you can be smart, look, plan ahead, and gap slow drivers. if you are skilfull enough, the cattle wont even notice you going past them. and then you are gone, never to interact with them again.dont tailgatedont cut anyone offdont get in front only to slow downfind the gap, plan ahead, and be on your marry way
>>28933555Dead wrong. When an engine runs rich (which they do at max throttle to delay knock and push a bit more hp), fuel droplets deposit on the cylinder walls and get scraped into the engine oil as the piston rings scrape back and forth.Idle does nothing bad to an engine, that's greenwashing talking points you're parroting. Industrial, military and police regularly idle their engines for thousands of hours in a vehicle's lifespan, and they don't get decommissioned because their engines are failing. The accelerated wear comes from start-stop systems and "low fuel burn" variable rate oil pumps, which underlubricate the engine when you're not commanding high power - on Mercedes cars, it's a common "mod" to disconnect the oil pump's CAN bus connector, which makes it default to maximum oil pressure as a "safety" feature. Green terrorists and voter-seeking politicians push these "idling is illegal" stances because they think the pollution from idling the engine for a few minutes is worse than the reduced life from the start-stop system. There was a nice German YT channel that showed that even with a warm and lubed-up engine, it took several seconds to build oil pressure back up to the minimum idle pressure after a start-stop cycle.What you're actually thinking about are cold starts - there exists this myth that highway driving "distills" the gasoline out of the oil, but that's a lot of hogwash. If your daily rhythm has a lot of cold starts, you juts have to accept early oil changes, simple as. What highway driving does is help burn off carbon caking in the cylinder head, but that also only applies as long as the engine isn't too dirty yet, it does nothing for the oil.If you want to maximize engine life, sustained mid-to-high loads (close to the speed limit with a loaded car on flat highways) with minimum city driving (gunks up the engine) and minimum flooring (accelerates oil dilution and burning) are the way to go
>>28933565>you can be a nigger and "swim" in traffic or you can be smart, look, plan ahead, and gap slow drivers.I don't weave through traffic. I give a 3-5 car length gap, pane ahead, modulate throttle.On long distance interstate trips where people use cruise control (thread topic) there usually aren't that many cars around.If I approach where I can pass, I pass.If I'm in the left lane and the right is open, I merge right.There's nothing superior about using CC, OP is sucking himself off for using the easy button, and if anything CC distracts people from lane discipline.They get buttmad when anyone else is faster or slower than them, see: OP.
>>28933584I wonder how many times I'll have to say you're missing the point before you realize you're missing the point.
>>28933584>If I approach where I can pass, I pass.>If I'm in the left lane and the right is open, I merge right.Okay, fantastic. Let's stay in this scenario. You pass. Great. You get back over. Perfect. The problem is now the car you just passed is passing you. They pass you and get back in front of you. Not an issue, right? Then they slow back down to the speed they were going when you passed them the first time. So you pass them again. Then they speed back up and pass you. Then 10 minutes later, they're back to going slow again, so you pass them. And you don't see how this is annoying? You think the way theyre driving is totally fine and you wouldn't have preferred it if they just picked a constant speed?
>>28933612I wonder how many times I'll have to say you're missing the point before you realize you're missing the point.
>>28933619>The problem is now the car you just passed is passing you.Yeah that's not a thing. People that pass and then slow down are very very rare and I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they're noobs. I don't get angry, I either can pass them or I wait.
>>28933555More throttle = more cylinder pressure, more fuel = more cylinder wall wash,WOT = more throttle, more fuel, more blowby, more oil dilution.Remember chemical stoich is 14.3:1 for most typical 10% eth gas and that extra from doing 12.5:1 for power has to go somewhere and it isnt all going out the exhaust valve.
>>28933625>Yeah that's not a thing.I assure you it's a "thing" because I dealt with it ad naseum for the last 2 days. Maybe you just don't notice it because you don't pay attention to your surroundings and aren't aware that its the same car from earlier.
Cruise control is underrated on motorcycles. It's nice to stretch out your hand when riding long distances.
>>28933648I just pass everyone. I'm sorry you obsess about how others drive and turn your rage into an "I'm better than everyone else" rampage when you clearly cause the situations that make you so upset.
>>28933625They are pretty common
>>28933654>when you clearly cause the situationsHow am I causing it though? What control do I have other their speed?
>>28933583didnt read. you are wrong
>>28933583>Idle does nothing bad to an engine, that's greenwashing talking points you're parrotinglmao what. the owners' manuals of cars will put extensive idling under the 'severe' maintenance schedule.
>>28933663I have no control over others' speed.If I can't pass, I can't pass, and I wait in the queue.I stay right, only go left to pass - I don't block faster drivers nor do I harass slower ones. I do not encounter any issues and it's chill as can be. Sometimes you've gotta slow down for situations, I'm sorry the world doesn't revolve around your cruise control, but it's nothing to get upset about.I find that drivers drive worse with cruise, but I'm not making threads about it.
>>28933675>If I can't pass, I can't pass,But you can pass. You can pass them because they're going slow than you. So you pass them. Then they speed up and pass you again. Then later they slow down and you have to pass them again.How are you not understanding this?
>>28933687He doesn’t drive anon
>>28933687>You can pass them because they're going slow than you. So you pass them. Then they speed up and pass you again. Then later they slow down and you have to pass them again.That does not happen to me.
>>28933687Sometimes people are zoned out, maybe talking to kids in the car, someone passes them, and they speed back up.I do not take this personally or let it make me mad holy shit.If this situation happens to you that often it's something to do with how you drive.
>>28933651now that's something i agree with
This used to be a board for people who enjoyed driving.
>>28933702Nothing says "I love driving" like putting cruise control on and making fun of everyone else for not doing the same.
>>28933702Ah yes, the ultimate engaging driving experience everyone is pining for of driving the same speed in a straight line for hours at a time.
>>28933385Unable to maintain+-1mph at any speed anon.My Cruise Control is also 1mpg worse than my foot so I don't use it.Unironically, the best CC I've ever used was on a 1992 Chevy Camaro.Smoother and more accurate than any new car.Vacuum > electronic
>>28933401My calf and knee start to hurt after only a few hours without cruise control. I don't know how you guys do it.
>>28933385My car doesn't have cruise control so I don't give a flying fuck about keeping to a set speed. All I care about is not getting pinged for speeding.
>>28933385Here's some insight kid:>you are behind me>fuck off deal with it
>>28933385Just bought a car with lane keep and traffic jam assist and God it’s incredible to drive with low blood pressure
>>28934079They don't modulate the pedal which is why they slow down going uphill.
>>28934050>1mpgi hate you so much
>>28934050Need to make my 1982 Camaro's cc work then, is it that good?
>>28933420>You suck at driving >He says while admitting to be an npc driver who relies on the car ahead to set his speed
>>28933420>after 10 years of driving>gay 20 year old zoomer thinks he knows everything about everything while sperging out in front of everyonemany such cases
