>do this and that and that too
>it'll totally sell dude
>What, no, I wouldn't buy one because ir doesn't have this and that and that

>>28937244
thousands of people are waiting to own a reborn Tercel V6 4x4 wagon

>>28937247
So you want a smaller rav 4, the corolla cross
it's a shitbox

>>28937248
the corolla cross is dreadful, all it needs to be is better than that (and less cramped) and with a smoother engine (the v6 please)
well no, those are LIFTED hatchbacks, this would be a normal wagon more like the crown signia I think they call it, but smaller

The Tercel was a shit 4x4 family wagon. Subaru invented that market segment and did it so much better.

>>28937242
So... a stripped down RAV4.

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>>28937242
yes but the 2 door version

>>28937242
>A practical roomy subcompact wagon would sell like hotcakes
It wouldn't.
Women make the vast majority of car purchase decisions and they get a massive ick seeing those. They want giant SUVs to feel safe and secure and /o/ also wouldn't buy since the majority of the 100 people on this board are broke.

>>28937242
Most of the buyers of new cars are women and they want an SUV which gets them higher off the ground.

Your needs are irrelevant and they will never make anything to them. Besides I doubt you could afford one.

>>28937242
Garbage time thread

>>28937242
>sold it as a Tercel GR 4x4 Wagon with otherwise semi-spartan features for under 40k
Its called the Yaris GR

>>28937242
i miss my 1993 tercel sometimes.
Took that ugly bitch all over the place
From Vancouver BC, to the bay area, to Missouri.

It was nigh unkillable, I got it as a senior in HS, drove it through college and a few years after, then my pops drove it for another 5 years. All the while it never broke down, never had any catastrophic failures, despite extreme lack of proper maintenance.

Was truly a well built mini-tank of a car.

>>28937247
>thousands of people are waiting to own a reborn
So here's the insider secret, its something like $1-2Billion just to refresh an existing car. New Honda Civic for example. All the tooling, molds, R&D, testing, you name it, its over a billion even for a powerhouse like any of the major brands just to refresh an existing unibody chassis.

And you're claiming thousands of people are excited for a brand new compact wagon. Wagons which were basically famously discontinued due to sluggish sales. A V6 getting 30mpg having AWD for basically no reason outside of Colorado or the snow belt. Whats it do that about 6 other competing vehicles can't? Who cares, OP thinks he has post nut clarity and really wants one for some reason. But yes,
>That'll be $43,295 please
Oh you wanted it for $3500 like the ones currently still running. I'm also assuming you just want them to stop being complete shitboxes with endless repairs using rebuilt parts.

Shitboxes in the UDM I'd pick before a tercel
>civic
>sentra
>micra
>justy
>loyale
>323
>glc
>mirage
>pulsar
>golf
>rabbit
>chevette
>acadian
>horizon
>i mark
>colt

Just saying

>>28937363
what the hell is a UDM

>>28937378
USDM without the extra steps

>>28937378
United States Domestic Market. JDM, EDM, ADM, its a moronic term that doesn't help explain much.

Also curious since the Micra, Justy, Loyale, GLC, Acadian, and i mark weren't in the US market.

>>28937381
Check again

>>28937250
>the v6
>put an expensive engine with dogshit fuel economy in a compact fleet-spec economy car
>also the car should cost $20k or less OTD
Why is /o/ so retarded when it comes to business? It it because this board is populated exclusively by welfare NEETs?

>>28937247
>thousands (2, to be exact) of poor turd worldoids

>>28937242
>would sell like hotcakes
No it wouldn't.

>>28937354
There's lots of pent-up goodwill for the Tercel. People want it back. It will SELL!

>>28937348
Yaris is tiny and too shitty. It needs to be bigger than that and not have such a cheap terrible interior. Also
>3 cyl

>>28937390
its a camry engine I don't think its too fancy

>>28937666
>People want it back. It will SELL!
it won't.
it would be a deathtrap on the freeway.
>i-5 over the siskiyous
>get passed by semi's going uphill
it was a gutless, tiny commuter car. today's battering ram SUV's would splatter it like a bug, sad to say.

>>28937674
I said to bring it back with the v6 from the Camry. All they have to do is give it the ok interior from the Prius or the Crown Signia, not make it too tiny inside, and throw some cool interior design things in (real colors!) and not make the ride too rough and it would sell.
Toyota doesn't know what they are doing, they just throw out a bunch of models and hope they sell.

>>28937681
>just do these 37 things that increase the price and it'll sell!
You just described a lowered Rav 4 ($30k) or a bZ woodland ($48,000). Did you know you can simply buy one of those and put an aftermarket suspension on it to make it a small turdcell wagon?

Why not just build exclusively huge gas guzzlers? Capture the regulations and become a monopoly so customers have to buy it. Then lock basic features behind subscriptions? And obsolete via software updates and cheap parts to spur sales. And offer financing with interest to earn a bit extra.

>>28937685
I said it should sell for 40k, maybe a bit more. I think they could do it as long as its kinda bare bones.
Ain't nobody lowering a Toyota crossover.
The point of a Tercel is the SOUL of getting something small and practical, electric cars are wildly impractical, the 2.5 4banger in the Rav4 is trash and its too big for this mission anyways.

It just needs to be a smaller Crown Signia with 4WD, camry v6, and a bit of interesting details for the interior (not all black)

>>28937689
>I said it should sell for 40k, maybe a bit more.
Did you ignore the Honda Prelude debacle? Nobody wants overpriced shit from 30-40 years ago.

>>28937691
Prelude was a debacle cuz it was just a Civic Coupe hybrid for an outrageous price (with no updates or anything special to justify the price at all)
For 40k you are getting a V6 wagon with AWD, that's quite reasonable.

>>28937695
>Prelude was a debacle cuz it was just a
And the Turcel would be a debacle because its jut a Rav4 with an outrageous price

For $40k you're getting a very spartan vehicle with a boring V6 that gets 28mpg. Thats unreasonable.

See how that'd go?

>>28937698
no, its different, I explained how, you are being obtuse
rav4 - crossover, 4 banger, compact
tercel - wagon, 4wd only, v6 only, subcompact
> you're getting a very spartan vehicle with a boring V6 that gets 28mpg.
as long as they market is as midlly offroad like a jeep for toyotalovers scared of actual jeeps and it has a slightly funky interior design (ANY USE OF PATTERN OR COLOR AT ALL) people will eat it up, doesn't need to be fancy or luxurious

>>28937700
>no, its different
It isn't. You're coming up with these idiotic coping mechanisms to get some autistically exact car just for you. Again, I pointed out you can already buy 2 vehicles currently in Toyota production and make it exactly what you're describing. You yourself even said models like the Crown is very similar, but too high.

You won't buy one. You won't buy one and modify it to be EXACTLY what you want. Why?

>>28937359
Please post in every thread. The “everyone wants a stripped down shitbox” sentiment has become widespread and somehow more nauseating than ever.

>>28937705
if anon was proposing a stripped down shitbox that got 45mpg and could handle freeway traffic at +80mph, then maybe?
But what he's proposing is the worst of all worlds.

>>28937705
Its the dumbest shit and has been prevalent for the last 20 or so years. People want a single cab, crank windows, AM/FM radio only, 4 cylinder, 2wd, basically a mini truck or old-Ranger style truck.
Or they want some spartan piece of shit like the slate truck
Or some shitbox they drove when they were 16 and finally dropped off at the scrap yard when they were 24.
Or they want some hyper specific car thats in between 2 GIGANTIC market segments, but somehow neither are the vehicle for them despite the only significant change being slightly lower body, or something with a V6, or something autisticly specific. Who cares.

They'll eventually go on to admit they don't have the finances or aspiration to buy a new car, they just want something dirt cheap and bomb proof they can buy for $2500 and drive it for 10 years. These people are fucking delusional. EVs proved this on a large scale. A ton of people demanded to get away from gasoline, demanded basically free charging, demanded zero maintenance, then it turns out nobody wants that shit including those who have actually bought the fuckin jalopies.

Consumers are the last people producers should ever listen to. None of them actually know what they want; even if you give them exactly what they want, they'll find something major (like price) or something incredibly irrelevant like the shape of the radio antenna as to why they'll never buy a new production model. This is my thesis as to why OP is a cocksucking retard.

>>28937701
there's more nuance to my arguments that you are deliberately ignoring despite me repeating specific differentiations of this hypothetical model that no other current Toyota product has.

>>28937713
>there's more nuance to my arguments
No, there isn't. You're wanting a checklist to build a car. There are already vehicles that complete your checklist, you just want it with a "TURDCELL" badge on the back for some reason. You have no nuance, you have no money, you have no bitches, you have no Toyota, I don't think you even have a brain at this point.

>>28937715
nope. there are ZERO subcompact v6 powered AWD wagons in the toyota lineup
my point is the early 90s tercel had an interesting look and chunky proportions and if they brought that back as a semi-retro blocky design but with an actually good 6 cyl engine, not raised up like an SUV, but like the old Tercel - AWD, then it would in fact sell
people love chunky light off roaders

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>>28937719
these are also cockroaches that simply will not die.

>>28937724
again, if volvo brought this design back as a NON EV with a 6 cyl engine for 50k it would sell
volvo tries even less then toyota
I think they just gave up and its just gonna be all rebadged chinese EVs (intellectual property farming basically)

>>28937719
>nope. there are ZERO subcompact v6 powered AWD wagons in the toyota lineup
Alright, why does it need to be V6 then?
>if they brought that back as a semi-retro blocky design
When was the last time Toyota or anyone outside of a US automaker brought back a retro design? The VW beetle?
>not raised up like an SUV
Have you ever wondered why basically EVERY car maker discontinued low-down coupes, sedans, and wagons?
>AWD
Why? That simply isn't a selling point for most of the country, and most of the world for that matter.
>people love chunky light off roaders
Sure, they're buying Jeeps, Broncos, pickups, and other vehicles with actual off-road drive trains, not AWD to get over wet mall parking lot surfaces.

Again, you're a consumer demanding hyper specific shit that nobody else wants and a case study as to why nobody should ever listen to "consumers" who won't buy it even if it were made. Tell us, OP, what do you currently drive?

>>28937727
bruh. if they brought it back at 20k, maybe.
(okay, probably)

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>>28937727
>if volvo brought this design back as a NON EV with a 6 cyl engine for 50k it would sell
NO IT FUCKING GOD DAMN TITTY FUCK IT WOULD NOT. Volvo made it. I think you could get it at like $48k just a few years ago. They stopped making and selling them because NOBODY BOUGHT THEM.

Holy fuck is everyone chugging concentrated stupid juice today?

>>28937730
with a 6cyl engine and standard 4wd though
my point is it should be just one model/trim/design but with a good amount of features but it doesn't need slop like sunroofs or big wheels or leather etc.

>>28937729
>Alright, why does it need to be V6 then?
extra torque, smoothness, prestige
>When was the last time Toyota or anyone outside of a US automaker brought back a retro design? The VW beetle?
Toyota FJ Cruiser
Honda Element
>Why?
because the original Tercel was and you are marketing it as a soft off road wagon like a subaru

>>28937731
volvo used terrible 4 cyl engines and an outdated platform that it refuses to replace with non-evs
the interior was all-screen slop as well

>>28937733
nope, no features at all. (that's how they jack up the msrp)
we're talking no power seats, crank windows, simple double DIN radio with no screen (or did cunty faggot biden make those illegal .. for cunty faggot progressive reasons?), no silly tech features at all.
absolutely bare bones. a car that for all intents and purposes could have been made in 1990. as simple as it is reliable.
charge 20k for it.

(my idea is better than yours, sorry)

>>28937740
mm I don't think they really make cars with crank windows maybe it could just have a simple power drivers seat?
I think part of the "retro inspiration" can be having a normal screen (whater the prius has is fine I'm sure) but with a few more real buttons just like the old tercel
>no silly tech features at all.
toyota is usually good about including adaptive cruise and blind spot monitoring even in cheaper models, this would help here as well
i think its about striking a balance between spartan and luxury and not expecting to get some low meme price ou of it
As long as its offered only in one model trim with little variation it won't be that expensive to produce anyways

>>28937706
No. People (that is, the general car buying public) do not want stripped down vehicles. That want giant touch screens and heated leather steering wheels and 22mpg and remote opening doors and everything else you fucking hate.

If manufacturers made very basic commuter mini trucks they’d just sit on the lot collecting dirt and dropping in value. They already make basic cars like the Mirage. Nobody wants to look poor, especially when they are poor. They’d rather buy something with 200k miles on it that used to be expensive. Our country is niggers.

And they never wanted mini trucks. Even when they were really being cranked out by everyone in the 90’s full-size trucks outsold them 3 to 1. The Maverick sells ok, but it’s literally the only truck of its size now (Hyundai Santa Cruz is dead). 155k Mavericks sold last year compared to 800k F-series.

>>28937791
there's somehing in between spartan and fully loaded, I think more of the point would be making it sort of a limited model with only one trim rather than different options

santa cruz limited some pretty basic but desirable features (turbo engine, adaptive cruise) to top trims, rather than making them standard, thus ensuring the death of their vehicle

>they still sell a lot of awful fleet-grade ford escapes in pickup drag
that's not saying much

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I tried buying 3 of these through copart in the '10s. Probably for the "elephant in the room" reason you're thinking of. Always got outbid at the last minute and my broker was not quick (you need a broker for copart auctions in my state).
They're super cool, only in that specific trim, but anything today would not be. As others have pointed out they sort of make cars like that today. "Tercel" to most people means "shit car," the name doesn't carry much weight.

>>28937248
you're a shitbox

>>28937791
mmm, you might be right. I'm hoping that one of the outcomes of the current slow-burn economic meltdown is a bit of return to sanity in regards to consumer spending. If you've ever dealt with someone who lived through the great depression, it's shocking just how frugal they were. Example: My grandma (who was NOT a hoarder at all mind you) would save the plastic clips that came on loaves of bread. just in case she had a use for them one day.

Maybe, just maybe the long-noses will take a loss for a change and car buyers will realize that
>HEY maybe I don't need 30k worth of electronics to take me from point A to point B
or
>HEY, this nucar is completely unrepairable, take me back in time to 1990.
I think we're starting to see a bit of this bubbling up, normie car buyers are kind of starting to realize that even honda and toyota are having serious quality issues, prices are out of control, and interest rates are absolutely bonkers.

>>28937359
>So here's the insider secret, its something like $1-2Billion just to refresh an existing car.
STFU, no it is not.
It's a case by case basis.
At any rate, the Projected Sales and Net Profit should govern the Capex.

The gen1 toyota venza is the closest modern vehicle you are going to get.

>>28937874
i don't think that even had a v6, also too large tercel is subcompact venza is a camry wagon so midsize
the point is to put a fun big engine (camry v6) in a small car but something practical with a wagon shape

at least the accord crosstour offered a v6

>>28937836
>>28937895
>maybe I don't need 30k worth of electronics to take me from point A to point B
>fun big engine
I really starting to think that /o/tists have a pathological inability to understand what the average consumer actually values in a vehicle.
A normie (that actually buys new cars) would much rather pay the extra premium for electronics and screens that they'd actually use than a "fun big engine" that would just be a very expensive block of scrap metal for them 99% of the time, not to mention tank the fuel economy.
Toyota execs actually understand that, which is why they put the 4-cyl hybrid drivetrain everywhere.

>>28937976
>I really starting to think that /o/tists have a pathological inability to understand what the average consumer actually values in a vehicle.
nta. We know what "they" value, but it's not what we value.
If capitalism is about having options, why is everything the same pickup or CUV-type design with screen garbage and all sorts of "safety" systems with trademarked names that are actually bought from the same 3rd parties as every other company uses?

>>28937984
>but it's not what we value.
The problem is - (you) don't matter. You don't buy new cars (and even if you did, you're not big enough of a market to be worth catering to.
>If capitalism is about having options
Capitalism is about making money. And you don't make money by creating products only a couple dozen retards will buy.

>>28938001
I've had this conversation before.
2012 CAFE law made a distinction between "cars" and "light trucks" where cars had significantly more-stringent fuel mileage requirements. It got to be that companies could invest R&D, pay CAFE fees on every sedan, wagon, or coupe, or just switch to making CUVs and pushing them until they became the "normal" thing to do. It was gov't interference; not free market.

>>28938007
>2012 CAFE law made a distinction between "cars" and "light trucks" where cars had significantly more-stringent fuel mileage requirements.
... and they wrote it so "crossovers" are "light trucks." Hence why it shifted so quickly 2011-2015 from sedans to crossovers. That wasn't organic market demand. Companies stopped caring about smaller cars and they became worse in a feedback loop.

>>28937363
>>28937380
>UDM
>United Domestic Market
What did he mean by this?

>>28938007
>>28938010
And you think any of that matters why exactly?

>>28938014
Because it wasn't what people chose to drive (which was your claim), it's what companies chose to make and market because of government regulations?
Wild concept, I know.

>>28938018
Nigger, my "claim" was that most people would rather pay for things they actually use than those they don't. And for those people a "big" engine is a useless hunk of metal, because for them a car is just an appliance to get from point A to point B, not a way to live out their unfulfilled boy racer dreams.
If anything, a bigger engine makes the parts of vehicle they do care about (fuel economy, tax, insurance premiums, maintenance costs) worse.

>>28938040
>because for them a car is just an appliance to get from point A to point B
So, why the fuckhueg cars with all sorts of bullshit no one needs?

>>28938040
except that tons of people buy shitty huge chebby suvs and truggs with 6.2 pushrod engines still
in fact its the most popular vehicle of all

Why do I have to buy a 4Runner or a nu-Tacoma just to get a 4x4 Toyota?

>>28938084
you shouldn't have to
a Tercel with AWD would be perfect and if they knew what was good for them they would have an off road trim with skids and an electronic locking rear diff
that's the only fancy a car like this needs

every review of the 4runner and tacoma has been nothing but disappointing
like basically every review was
>well it sure is popular and it sells a lot but its really old and rough and outdated and I hope they update it
>*toyota makes new generation*
>well um its new and the interior isn't as bad but it still somehow rides just as poorly as the old one
THIS is the issue a unibody wagon would fix vs a BOF trugg like 4runner or taco
ride quality

>>28937791
>155k Mavericks sold last year compared to 800k F-series.
I don't disagree with you, however we must also acknowledge that 800k includes everything from F150 all the way up through F850. F250 and F350's are also a tax deduction for many small businesses.

The Maverick is outselling most small sedans where theres a bit of a market void, but the Maverick has much more utility (again for small businesses and rational people) than an imported sedan.

>>28937855
>STFU, no it is not.
How much do you think it costs to re-tool everything, engineer it, model it, etc? Go ahead, you said its not, I'm now asking you how much it actually is.

>>28937698
>28mpg is considered bad
This is just pure autism at this point. Travelling 28 miles on 1 gallon of fuel is very good.

>>28937727
>50k
What is wrong with you retards? The entire point of the vehicle is reasonable performance for reasonable cost.

>>28937242
A car is a status symbol. Nobody buys cheap cars because cheap cars devalue them. Current new car prices are intended, they sell more cars for more money because normal people want to flaunt their wealth, finances and practicality be damned.

>>28938290
>$1-2Billion just to refresh an existing car.
These are your words.
YOU have the burden to prove.
Let's see some data.
Mid-model Facelifts do NOT cost such.

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>>28938336
>inb4 ai slop, no I won't check the source the AI got it from
Every automotive guy I've ever talked to has stated this ballpark price of about a billion for the new model. I'm now making the claim you're a complete moron and don't have a figure in mind, you just don't believe it.

I also didn't say mid model face lift, thats just a new bumper, and a couple new panels. Seems disingenuous of you to reference something I never did.

>>28938355
You're a bad faith commenter.
>$1-2Billion just to refresh an existing car.

Adios.

>>28938011
>Not using USOADM
ngmi