Brembo introduces a modern hydraulic free braking system.https://www.brembo.com/en/sensify
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>>28941422holy based, I cannot wait for my M3 to implement it>With SENSIFY, we revolutionize braking, crafting a new driving experience where data and vehicle interconnectivity redefine the standards of future mobility.I would love a brake pedal that uses AIand FUCK handles bro, I want my passangers to break their teeth on the dashboard after I yell "HOLD ONNNNN"
>>28941422but hydraulics just werkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYIzWI12T8g
>>28941422So it's just electric trailer brakes for your car?
>>28941450Yeah but they don't suck. Took them 10 years of work to make these. And the first production car is now being installed with them.
>>28941422I'll wait for the cheaper wilwood version
Wow, I can't wait to have a dead fish for a brake pedal! Who needs to feel what your car is doing anyways?
So, where's the benefit?
>>28941431Fuckers killed the Oh Shit handle
>>28941465There's no intellectual property rights on brake fluid. This will make them much more money, and who doesn't love money?
>>28941465Less complex systems, so reduced weight in vehicle. Less maintanence, less fluids, more direct control of the behavior of the brakes.
>>28941518Mounting a bunch of electronics onto something that reaches hundreds of degrees is just a surefire recipe for reliability.
>>28941518I can lock up the wheels in my 30 year old car on probably stock fluid. How would this system help me brake better? It wouldn't, tires would.
>>28941519Yeah, it's just as ridiculous as doing that with hydraulic fluid. A brake by wire system would need a years of R&D from a major, well respected, brake manufacturer.>>28941520It's brake by wire, so you don't get the flutter effect when using ABS. You can change the settings on the fly for a track mode more direct control, or a city cruising mode where it smooths out stopping at low brake amounts.
That's a lot of words saying absolutely nothing of value.So it's a computer controlled electric braking system, yet they very vaguely explain anything about it, instead focusing on DYNAMIC SMART REFINED SAFETY DRIVING PLEASURE bullshit.Fuck you italoniggers, might as well be a cable operated brake system for all we know of that shitty description.
>>28941523>Yeah, it's just as ridiculous as doing that with hydraulic fluidIn what way? The wheel speed sensor, caliper and soft hose don't care how hot you get the fluid. Also what's their plan for a backup if there's a complete electronic failure? The brakes just lock on like a air brake setup in a semi truck? Sounds real safe.
>>28941523>don't get the flutter effect when using ABSwho gives a fucking rats last shit?
>>28941532I had a brake failure on a mid 2000s Toyota pickup truck. This system will be safer and easier to make redundant.
>>28941533Why are you in a braking discussion if you don't care about braking?
>>28941523>It's brake by wire,I'm well aware. I could have afforded a new car, I got one with a braided steel throttle cable, hydraulic steering, and no ABS. Gee, I wonder why I chose that?
>>28941536>This system will be safer and easier to make redundant.Tell me how they're going to do that Mr. Shill.
>>28941537thats what i want to know retard
>>28941541If a single rotor fails, the other 3 can still operate. If the hydraulic system has a leak, the whole system fails. I have 50+ year old cables and wires in my house. You have to change the hydraulic fluid in your car every 2-3 years.
>>28941541Remember throttle by wire, where they introduced lag and smoothed out your inputs. And now, years later it can be done by companies over the internet?You remove ABS and your car can lock up the wheels, then there's nothing short of tires you can use to brake better.Mechanical systems are better at distributing forces evenly. Tesla can't put power to the wheel *with* traction for shit. Why make things complicated just to introduce more surveillance? Because someone told you it was cool new tech?
>>28941543>If the hydraulic system has a leak, the whole system failsin the 1800s maybe retard
>>28941543How exactly does a rotor fail?If you drive hard enough you trust the consistency of mechanical systems. Why complicate things just to make them worse?
>>28941543>If the hydraulic system has a leak, the whole system failsDual circuit brake systems have been a thing for over 50 years. A small leak will not disable the entire system right away. A software or hardware fault in this e-braking system would cause a total system failure. What's their plan when that happens?
>>28941549That's what happened in a pickup truck I was driving.>>28941551>Why complicate things just to make them worse?Exactly, which is why this new brake by wire system will win out. Due to it being simpler than a hydraulic system.
>>28941553>single anecdotecrazy
>>28941552Computer failures in braking system these days are almost non-existent. Only sensors, and very rarely the wiring, will fail. When that happens it can be relayed to the driver that the problem needs fixing. The entire system wouldn't crash, but a single wheel might have an issue.Hydraulic systems fail way more often. So in the end, you would have way less brake failures with brake by wire than hydraulics.
>>28941556do they pay you to write this shit
>>28941558It sounds like they pay you. You haven't said anything of substance.
>>28941556Fucking multi million dollar planes have issues with their by wire systems and they have layers and layers of redundancy and extremely expensive equipment. You think $5 worth of electronics and some Jeet coding will be safe in the real world?
>>28941553>Due to it being simpler than a hydraulic system.I'm both a mech eng and software engineer.I disagree.But, proof's in the pudding and I'm an open guy. Let's see comparisons same car same tires.
>>28941564All the more reason to use a more reliable brake by wire system, since cars don't have that redundancy.
>>28941566Why are you so into this? 90% chance it's worse.The only thing computers should do in a car is engine management. With braking, suspension, and torque distribution mechanical is always more consistent thus actually safer.
>>28941567They've been using computers to control car brakes for 50 years. And testing showed this braking system does better than standard hydraulic brakes.
>>28941570What is "better than" in their own metric?I can lock up the tires, any added braking force doesn't mean shit. I could make my brakes 5x stronger and it wouldn't make any difference without better tires. I trust a hydraulic system to be balanced and consistent.
Based. Fuck dumb fluids and fuck old technology!
>>28941553>That's what happened in a pickup truck I was drivingoof, what year model?
>>28941566>more reliable brake by wire systemHydraulic brake systems have had at least 80 years of testing and I haven't heard many complaints about the design. Of course everyone updated to dual circuit in about 1970, so now cars require 3 points of failure before you lose your brakes (assuming a cable e-brake).
>>28941422I wonder how much those electric calipers weigh, compared to regular ones. Looks like there's a Milwaukee power drill hanging off the back of them.
can this crook over next please>>28941552>A software or hardware fault>What's their plan when that happens?a break is not the fucking infotainment. Electric sensor/actors and redundant controlls are well capable of permanent self diagnostics, for dangerous automated machinery that is even required since forever.When an early fault is detected it certainly will send you into limp mode and i i can already hear the spiritual boomers complaining how their nu car doesnt allow them to speed with defective breaks like back in the old days
>>28941654Defective brakes? I've never experienced such a thing in 20-some years and I generally drive 30 yo cars.You can't even spell brakes, you did it twice
>>28941655I'm trying to understand the poster you quoted. Looks like ESL chatter.
>>28941656I'm leaning more into drunk/high posting but that's projection.
>>28941655>I generally drive 30 yo cars>I've never experienced such a thingyou can always spot the pedestrian by his atrocious fan fiction
>>28941552>Dual circuit brake systems have been a thing for over 50 yearsthis is why i think OP is full of shit. he claims the toyota pickup had the whole braking system fail but unless it was a single pot master which would make it a pre-67 vehicle in the US, or pre-76 in the EU, or both lines for both circuits were compromised, this wouldn't happen. unless it had been absolutely neglected for a LONG time and both lines rusted to oblivion. Or it wasn't serviced properly (e.g. pushed pedal too far on decades old master cylinder and crud inside the bore damaged the rubber piston seals).
>>28941659I DD a 30 year old car right now.I've had an accessory belt snap, and a radiator blow, but never a brake failure. Why would that even happen?
>>28941659the fuck kind of neglected basket case shitboxes do you drive lol. every 90s car i've bought had perfectly fine brakes. maybe one where the fluid was black. but it still locked up the tyres just fine.
>>28941661>Why would that even happen?hoses age, seals wear out and the system needs to withstand high pressure.>but it still locked up the tyres just finethe issues generally are when it doesnt stop locking the tyre anmore for one of a dozen possible reasons
>>28941665Yeah well, any could fail. My crank bearings could fail and I find that more likely, but also not likely.I just got this car and I absolutely will redo the brake system but I'm not worried about it at all even though it's probably 90s stuff other than pads.
>>28941668>but I'm not worried about it at all even though it's probably 90sup until recently i was like that too. Our 4th car, 90s shitbox blew a hose during inspection last year, the hose even passed prior visual inspection. Bad when it happens on startup, catastrophic when it happens in a hazzard stop
>>28941634>I wonder how much those electric calipers weigh, compared to regular ones. Same, those e-calipers look big. Unsprung mass will likely increase, unless they go back to inboards.
this board is long dead and its corpse is puppeteered by shills. jannies won
>>28941665>the issues generally are when it doesnt stop locking the tyre anmore for one of a dozen possible reasonsyou could say this for anything on a car hydraulic or electric lol
>>28941450not just electric brakes, jewish remote controllable brakes where the pedal is just a suggestion
It's kind of crazy how the end game for cars is to make them feel like you're driving a racing sim.
>seized caliper>$12 kit>or at worst $80 caliper from rockauto>seized Brembo ® Sensify ® Electric Caliper>rebuilt kit? no, its "lifetime">$1800 per caliper overnighted from Italyyou.... you.. too
>>28941974The brakes stopped working in my pickup truck and I was quoted $2000 cause I needed to replace the entire brake system.
>>28942039>the man in the uniform told me he needed to fuck my wife because I bought a gasoline car>it's only electric for me from here on out!
>>28941972Real endgame is AI driving the car until it fails then the AI agent hires an Actual Indian halfway across the world to remotely drive the vehicle inside a driving simulator, tech feudalism
>>28941422idc brembo peaked with 130 dollar gm calipers
>>28941484retarded considering they have a joint venture with fuck near everybody to build calipers for their sports cars.
>>28942075I'm a 75 euro Alfa Romeo caliper man myself
so in the future cars will have steering, throttle and brake inputs that are fully electronic and thanks to internet connectivity and exploits/backdoors, probably fully remotely controllable by state actors
>>28941553>That's what happened in a pickup truck I was driving.So you supposedly lost both circuits of a split circuit hydraulic brake system, and now you think whatever gross lack of maintenance and neglect that caused that failure, would somehow be mitigated by incorporating a far more complicated and less robust electronic braking system?Yeah, you're a loonie.
>>28942039Smells like you either fucked a lot off shit up being a hamfisted retard, or your claim is utter bullshit.
>>28942144That is the idea. The scary thing is that we have a regime change every couple of years. Sometimes things were well intentioned then someone gets into power and uses it against the people.>>28942157Dealership quotes are crazy. I got a $3,400 quote just to change brake pads, in '09. Did em myself with Hawk pads for $200 and half an hour.
>>28942144They can already do this, they've been able to remotely disable cars since onstar was first introduced.
>>28942227You're missing the forest for the trees.
>>28942221well, the regime doesn't usually change, only the puppets on the stage do
>>28942249I would have agreed with you 2 years ago.
>>28941532>what's their plan for a backup if there's a complete electronic failure? The brakes just lock on like a air brake setup in a semi truck? Sounds real safe.Is that better or worse than a failure in a hydraulic system leaving you with no brakes?
>>28942273>Thing that is possible to happen if you haven't been under a rock for the past 10 years and have seen that quality and reliability have gone deep down the shitter to save pennies and promote planned obsolescence, especially for electronics >Or other thing that pretty much never happens ever except in extreme circumstances like decades of neglect or plain bad luck I'll stick with hydraulics
>>28941431The M8 has had brake by wire
This will be cool you they will be able to have driver modes for brake feel, you will be able to switch to sporty feel for a modest monthly fee.
>>28942273>hydraulic system leaving you with no brakesburgerland hasn't run single pot masters since 1967
>>28941422>brake by wireillegal meme
>>28942144Here come the schizos.
>>28942144electric brake boosters already can do that
>>28941431mfw car hallucinates a deer on the side of the road so the brakes AI slams the car to a halt and I get kidnapped and molested by forest goblins
