Is this system completely obligatory in motorcycles?
>>28943983Depends. Do you wanna brake safely or in the shortest distance?
I've owned several bikes and none of them had ABS. I'm sure it's helpful in an emergency but it's not exactly obligatory.
It helps. You don't use it until you wish you had it anyways so what's the big deal?
>>28943983Emergency braking on a motorbike from high speed is a pretty gut wrenching thing to experience. I've never had ABS but I'm sure it'd be welcome if I ever had to do it again.
I still have cable operated drum brakes in my 300kg shitheap of a bike, stops well enough to avoid accidents.I don't think it has ABS.
>>28943983I have one bike with ABS and one without. It's nice to have but not essential. I learned on the one without it, and have at various times locked the brakes up (usually while practicing quick stops) but if you react fast and aren't doing it while cornering then you won't go down.It does blow your braking distance out like shit though if you skid, release and reapply.
I used to ride many years ago, always on bikes without ABS (it wasn't available). One stop I remember well where I would have loved ABS was an occasion going round the South Circular was on the 850 Yamaha I had at the time, with my wife on the back, in the rain, came over a rise and was faced with stationary traffic as some idiot had done something stupid. Finessing the lever and pedal to avoid a lock-up but bring the bike to a stop in time was sphincter-clenching; with ABS I'd have been able to stand on the rear, haul on the front and let the system take over.
>>28943990>so what's the big deal?It's an attack on homotorcylist's manliness. It's all the same arguments made by people who read too many car magazines 30 years ago - they think they're so good that ABS and TC actually slows them down despite professional racers using them all the time.
>>28944101>in the rain, came over a rise and was faced with stationary traffic as some idiot had done something stupid.>some idiot had done something stupid.You talking about yourself?
I'm the cager that has told people to disable their ABS unit for years.I do so because of electronic stability control that brakes on you if you try to corner hard.I love just ABS. If I could have ABS only (hasn't been legally allowed since around 09) then I would absolutely do so. I drive no ABS, but I like it, and I could see how it could save your life on a motorcickle.
>>28944118>they think they're so good that ABS and TC actually slows them down despite professional racers using them all the time.That's a logical fallacy. Just because some racers use them does not mean it doesn't affect performance.
i'll always want abs on my bikes. the one (1) time i've gone down was because i had to brake hard on a road in a construction area that had some gravel or sand unbeknownst to me and i'm pretty sure i'd have stayed up if i had abs. yes, skill issue, get gud, etc etc but it's one of those things where it's just nice to have as a backup
>>28943983It's so obligatory motorcycles were built and used from their inception to present day without it.Sage
>>28943983Only if you are not stupid, rare for ridersThere's riders who remove their front brakes for looks
>>28943983I've never had a problem with no abs and I've had plenty of varying speeding moments to emergency brake. I think you just really need to look in the mirrior and be completely honest with yourself about your skill level.If you know you stab the brakes when you panic then get the abs, if you aren't the type to grab a handful and panic squeeze then get true non-abs and reap the rewards of being able to stop better than your abs peers.Fort nine did a really good video on this topic, abs is fine but personally I'd never own a bike with abs. Its just a straight up nerf for me specfically.
>>28944128Was just about to type thisAlso, those pro racers are riding 270-300 hp prototype machines. It's a completely different machine vs what 99% of motorcyclists ride. They use TC and ABS to bend the rules to their advantage, not because it makes one faster. Some of the best lap times in history were done on bikes with no tech crutches.
Do i wish i had abs? yesSince i dont have it ill just cope and say abs is for bad riders.
>>28943983Yes you should want ABS. If you can threshold break, then fine. If you break past the threshold, you'll want that ABS
>>28944293>If you break past the thresholdlol
>>28943990There are 2 downsides, one that it adds considerable weight for a component, and more significantly, another that it can beick your fucking bike when the part fails, and the part can be exorbitantly expensive. Looking at you BMW.
>>28944122>You talking about yourself?In responding to an idiot like you? Probably
>>28944122>>28944306(cont)But I won't make that mistake again
>>28943983no
>>28944128>>28944194Clearly tires are just a crutch used by pros to scam better lap times
>>28944192I'll be honest, even for people who legitimately have the skills or talent to outperform ABS saying "I'm too good to use abs" just makes the person sound arrogant and egotistical. But I'm not a biker, so what do I know
>>28944305This sounds like an exclusively bmw problem, not so much about abs in general
>>28944347As long as manufacters take it into account, sure. But people that build bikes with offeoad tires and suspension that don't put a toggle for rear abs want you to die.
>>28944322>Strawman that doesn't compare Many such cases. >>28944331You could interpret it however you want, but ultimately all you're doing is progressively squeezing a lever under duress instead of stabbing said lever in a panic. If you're a jumpy person or someone who rarely been in stressful situations then you'll prob panic stab by default. A man knows his limits, and when he knows he can keep calm (or at the very least collected) when startled then it's a non-issue. To a non-motorcylist the key takeaway is: There are many ways to ride a motorcycle but no objectively correct way to ride one. However there ARE objectively WRONG ways to ride one, so as long as you don't input those objectively bad inputs (via training and drilling it till 2nd nature) then you'll be OK without abs
>>28944125My esc doesn't "brake on me" in a corner, it brakes the inside wheel as a pseudo lsd. It's a well enough system.The traction control is the obnoxious offender and I wish I could program the car to have the stock baby mode off instead of needing to hit the button every time.
street tires lock alot faster than nobbies seem to.you can stop impressively well if you arent a faggot and just squeeze the front brake but instead use both front and rear.
>>28943983>Is this system completely obligatory in motorcycles?In the EU in A2 license bikes and up it's mandatory for new bikes to come with it, in A1 bikes they can come with either combined braking or abs, but have to come with one of the two, don't know the AM regulation.
You shouldn't even notice ABS unless you are a bad rider who fucks up regularly to begin with.
>>28943983its like an automatic transmission, lets retards think they can drive and are good drivers (they are not) and makes people mindtrick themselves into taking stupid risks especially in bad weather and traffic.
>>28943983its like a mnaual transmission, lets retards think they can drive and are good drivers (they are not) and makes people mindtrick themselves into thinking they are valentino rossi especially in bad weather and traffic.
>>28944570Only bad riders rely on ABS, nice attempt though.
>>28944685Cringe >>28944694Based
>>28944361Had abs go out on my bike and the only thing that stopped working was the speedometer for some reason.
wouldn't have this moment with ABS so draw your own conclusion (the correct one is FUCK abs (I use it))
>>28945070regardless of equipment why not just go the speed limit when you're in heavy traffic maximum retard land surface streets/intersections
Sometimes the surface of public roads can be unpredictable, those are the times then you may wish to have abs.
ABS on the front is fine. When stopping all the weight and force is getting transferred to the front wheel.My authoritarian cuck state mandated that all motorcycles 125 and higher must have ABS front and back.
>>28945065Sounds like the speedo uses the encoder wheel from the ABS module.
With all the Indians in the world there's an increasing non zero chance that you may lose traction on human excrement in the road. You'll wish you had abs then.
>>28945111>When stopping all the weight and force is getting transferred to the front wheel.This is precisely why you need ABS on the back too - easy to lock up with the weight transfer
>>28944194Additionally race bikes have custom ECUs with tunable ABS and TC that is tuned for track driving, it can be setup to be a lot less invasive than what the bike comes with and adjustable.
>>28945070Why is it always BMWs turning left every time.
>>28943983Cornering ABS and Traction Control is probably the best thing to ever happen for a road bikes. The latest stuff in the past few years has gotten really good. This is all tech that has been trickling down from motorcycle racing and it keeps getting better.
>>28944331There was a time where ABS was not great. But it has gotten much better in the past 5-10 years. BMW was probably the first to prefect it. Someone that's not a pro level racer or MotoGP star would be hard pressed to out preform the new stuff. Plus ABS is not supposed to be a replacement for skill, Its supposed to be a safety net. Especially on high performance motorcycles.
>>28945656And yet no abs at all still dwarfs your heckin "perfected" abs. >If yew ain't a pro yew cunt brakeBiggest self report I've seen. You don't have to be a genius to out brake abs, you just don't stab the brakes. It's that simple.
>>28944361this was common in like 2016 but who doesn't have switchable ABS in 2026?
>>28945682i am 100% certain (YOU) can't outbreak ABS.
I bet all the retards saying they can outperform abs never ride their scooters outside their neighborhood
>>28945610No blinkers
>>28945795Off the top of my head, nx500, versys 300x, and the fucking 750gs of all things.
>>28945795there's a lot of people who haven't figured out how to pull a fuse
>>28945608Tracks generally don't have oil, gravel, sand, BMW drivers, soccer moms and truck tards on them either.
>>28945818None of those are off-road bikes.
>>28945986All bikes are off-road bikes if you're not a pussy
>>28945997Good luck grinding that gravel stream on your hawg.
>>28945818only one of those has what you might start to call offroad tires and suspension, it came out closer to 2016 than today, and it's not around anymorethe f800gs has switchable abs at least in the rear
>>28945797Fry about itBraking isn't that hard anonI can do it, you can do itShrimple as that
>>28945986Yeah brah, they put the 19" front wheel on the nx500 and versys to keep beginners from digging into those corners too quickly. I'll agree about the 750gs just because I'm still salty BMW killed the Rotax.
