Everyone says this was worse than the Holocaust but I’m a zoomer so I don’t remember it. Was it really that bad?
>>28944911Well it was real, so yeah.
>>289449196 million jews were systematically murdered in Europe by the German people.
>>28944922actually it was closer to 12 million all said and done. don't be anti-semitic
>>28944911It was a Holocaust for enthusiasts of cars that qualified for the program, you look at something like a 1993 Acura Legend, it's actually a bitch to find parts with what's left over to keep them going or restore them, but you look at 1993 Accord, they're laying all over the place to steal parts from because no Honda Accord has ever qualified for C4C, it's too fuel efficient and based to pour sodium silicate into.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmnXPqpHSr4
>>28944911They are sent back in time to ensure skynet has absolute control over consciousness on Earth
>>28944911the program was a scam because every car the qualified had to be running and registered.Actual clunkers weren't taken off the road but a whole section of the second hand market was liquidated
>>28944927oy gevalt remember the 24 million
Obama really was the worst thing to ever happen to America.
It wasn't even a big deal at the time let alone nowhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Allowance_Rebate_SystemUsed is high becauseAverage vehicle age is now 12 years less for saleThe ones that are sold are sent to mexico
>>28944938He also made it legal for Feds to do psychological warfare against us population like how they do regime change abroad
>>28944941Left and right boot of the same bodyWanta guess who funded it after?
>>28944935>second hand market was liquidatedSo true, was just turning 14 years old when C4C was going on, and then by the time I was of driving age, the days of cheap 15+ year old cars were gone, I personally think OBDII cars from the last 20+ years are way better to live with, but when you're a teenage boy, I would've loved to presented with an old truck or car to get me started.
>>28944947Wut
i remember before c4c you could go grab a want ad from 711 and call up a guy selling an f or g body chevy with a 350 and go buy it that day for $300 cash. no rust, interior was in great shape, usually had flowmasters and intake/carb/headers. i know this cause my friends and i did this for years. we went through cars like candy, buying, modding, drag racing, selling, buying another, do it all over again. that ended overnight with c4c. half these cars got crushed and the remaining half were now being fought over so their price skyrocketed. anybody trying to downplay c4c either didn't live through it, weren't in the car scene then, or know exactly what i'm talking about and are one of those faggots that are happy it happened.
>>28944922Not true. But 6 trillion white christians were murdered by bolsheviks or something man! Believe me!!
>>28944955It's almost unreal listening to the boomers at CollectorCarFeed talk about $2000 240Sexes that weren't that old at the time and who a car cost as much as a computer, but that's literally what happened back then, now everybody knows what they have, a 2003 Honda with hubcaps and 215,000 miles is worth all of $5,000 because we're so into clown world.
>>28944955I remember cash for clunkers but i wasn't old enough to drive. I remember seeing ads in the papers for S10 blazers in running condition for pennies. those vehicles were everywhere along with grand ams.
>>28944922Really? That sounds made up to be honest, otherwise they'd tech y in school
>>28944938He literally saved America.The US has very little manufacturing left and most of that is the auto industry. The rest is a financial house of cards based on the petrodollar which BS's that our paper money is worth something. If the auto industry had collapsed with the layoffs of millions leading to consumer belt-tightening leading to a Great Depression, where do you think we'd be now? Do you think the workforce has the work ethic to do manual labor on economic development projects for pennies a day, or are they just going to expect handouts until "things get better" which would result in things never getting better because the government can't hand out enough to support a consumer economy- based workforce?If it weren't for Obama there would be no car newer than 2008 in the US and you wouldn't be able to afford one because there would be no jobs.
Denying the holocaust also means you deny all those Russians who got annihilated too btw
>>28944984>there would be no car newer than 2008Don't get me fuckin hard, Anon.
Cash 4 clunkers was bad only because it dwindled the supply of objectively good cars. I don't really smell intent, I think it was short sighted and the levers that got pulled caused the byproduct effect of us getting offered only bad/not pro-consumer options. An unintentional systematic consequence of good intentions bad execution.
>>28944997The money had to be spent on a new car. The number of cars stayed the same.kill off old car ---> buy new car --> keep automakers in business making cars is not fewer cars than don't kill off old car --> don't buy new car --> automakers go out of business and now we make no new cars.
>>28944999>The number of cars stayed the sameThat's not good Anon, the lifecycle of a car typically goes new, first owner, maybe second owner traded into dealer, gets sold at dealer auction, and becomes a cheap used car to the point where it's life has run out and it then gets to be picked apart at an auto recycle and then scrapped, and this lifecycle of a car can be 15+ years or more, but C4C took that lifecycle down to the first or second owner and then immediately scrapped when it still had lots of life left in it, especially in the state of Cuckifornia, a car that has been insured and registered for over a year, that means that it has passed emissions, and isn't clapped out by a long shot, which means it was supposed to be sold cheaply to a young Millennial in 2009 who needed a car, but instead it was traded for $4500 and no one gets to have it.
>>28944911zoomers get mad about it because they think its to blame for the high used car prices but thats nonsensethe vast majority of cars that were crushed were shitbox explorers, dodge caravans, and suvs. about 700k cars were destroyed. the big three built about 15 times that amount per yearC4C was a drop in the bucket and anybody who disagrees just wants something to be angry about instead of just using google
>>28945012>the vast majority of cars that were crushed were shitbox explorers, dodge caravans, and suvsThat's literally first car material, Anon... It's the young people that got hurt, the baby boom booms never saw anything like this happen in their lives, a young kid could buy themselves a $300 car in the late 70s and that was normal, I feel bad for any Millennials who turned 18 in 2007 or 2008 and everything went to hell because they're cursed.
>>28945004And how do we get to that "cheap used car" point you're after with no new cars being built?How many cars were built during the Great Depression? The automakers going out of business is not good for the number of cars in circulation.Cash4Clunkers took 700,000 old cars off the road in exchange for 700,000 new ones. The Great Depression went from 5.6 million new cars sold in 1929 to 1.3 million in 1932. Cash4Clunkers led to 0 fewer cars while the Great Depression led to millions fewer.So your ingenious idea of starting a Great Depression in order to not destroy 700,000 old cars for 700,000 new cars would not have led to more cars being out there for sale.
>>28945017The 700,000 new ones would've been sold anyway, if someone is able to buy a car during a recession, the $4500 incentive is just a welfare from the govt for being awesome just like the $7500 for the Tessie buyers for having more money than someone else, they would've bought it anyway, it's free money at the expense of the lower class, or young people starting out.
>>28944984>If it weren't for Obama there would be no car newer than 2008 in the US and you wouldn't be able to afford one because there would be no jobs.
>>28944911>Was it really that bad?No. The most common cars turned into the program were Explorers, a few tens of thousands total. Ford was selling multiple times that in each model year.
>>28945074That's 10s of thousands of exploders destroyed before their time that were supposed to transport people to school as well as their first jobs, fuck enthusiast cars, it's the shitboxes of the world that make everything happen, you cannot take inexpensive transportation out of the economy.
>>28945075There are still plenty of shitbox explorers out there, C4C barely made a dent. They made millions of the things.
>>28944911The actual numbers of cars scrapped was pretty tiny.
>>28945075Things that happened...in my mind!
It is when you consider they completely bricked a shit ton of used cars for no good reasonhttps://youtu.be/eOEqJIGnXRw?si=eF6hCgUtpDogUCl1
>>28944922And jews are systematicly murdering Palestinians.Shit's circular, so what's your point?
>>28944911i'm 36. i don't remember it being that bad. i don't understand why retards are still whining about it today and blaming today's car prices on cash for clunkers. it was nearly 20 years ago. it took an immaterial number of cars off the roads, they would have been scrapped long ago anyways.
>>28944936The 24 million? Why did the Germans gas 36 million Jews? I can't believe some people doubt they killed 48 million.
>>28944938Arguably to the entire world.
>>28945252>i don't understand why retards are still whining about it today and blaming today's car prices on cash for clunkers. it was nearly 20 years ago. Because a lot of people don't want to believe wuflu had such a big impact on the world economy.
>>28945252>it took an immaterial number of cars off the roads, they would have been scrapped long ago anyways.You dont know shit about the used car market lol.
>>28944911People overhype it too much, the idea was that it would help millions of americans into safer vehicles instead of driving around in ticking time bombs ready to blow up one day on the road, leaving you stranded or causing an accident.The reality was that it helped thousands of people do that. No tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, just thousands. Did it kill some classic cars that the average idi/o/t would have loved to own? yes they did, but the reality was that the numbers where so minimal, that in reality there's not difference between the guys who hate the program and something like BLM, just a bunch of monkeys chimping out over the death of 3 or so people that weren't supped to be killed. Swap out the people for Acura Legends and you have the exact same bullshit.
>>28945468>People overhype it too much, the idea was that it would help millions of americans into safer vehicleslmao ah yes, replacing the dangerous 1999 Chevy suburban for the robust and reliable 2009 Chrysler Sebring was in the consumers and broader automotive markets best intrestliteral retards
>>28944922what are you talking about
>>28944911100% jewish anti-goyim holocaust
>>28945487Based bring it back
>>28945468>ticking time bombs ready to blow up one day on the road, leaving you stranded or causing an accidentNigga, brand new cars are smoking bearings and, Honda Accords are blowing the fucking head gasket and limping along at 10 mph when it does get a misfire code, these cars are worse than ever>>28945472This, motherfuckers were throwing away indestructible shitbox LM7 trucks that probably would've been a little nicer if they treated it better in exchange for the venerable chevy HHR that isn't gonna last nearly as long with their savagery.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8K-IAuXnqg
>>28945472>>28945502The lists are out there on the web fuckers, you can go see them yourselves, the truth is the overwhelming vast majority of the vehicles destroyed by the program weren't even cars that people wanted then, let alone right now. Most of them were old cherokees, explorers, jeeps, etc. all of them BOF SUVs that had V8 engines that performed on par with a 4 cylinder engine in every single way, fuel efficiency, horsepower, torque, etc. Overwhelming majority of those 2WD, all at a time when gas prices were $4.15 average for regular gas. People always omit that little detail, that back then, you were paying what for us right now in the day of our lord 2000+26 would amount to $6+ per gallon.People act as if it was nothing but Supras, and 3000GTs, and foxbody mustangs, and M3/M5s, etc. in reality most of the cars were cars that YOU wouldn't want at all. Also a little detail that people forget. You didn't get the cash in your pocket, it was a credit at the dealership, just like the recently deceased EV credits. are you honestly gonna look at me in the face and tell me that a "pristine" example of the cars you salivate for wouldn't just get bought by the stealership instead? just pay the 4K out of pocket, tell the customer they totally gave them the credit, and put it on the lot for double the price or more? It was a pristine example after all. No, all those timeless classics were pieces of shit at the time too, headed for the scrapyard anyways.
>>28945509>let alone right nowFuck right now Anon, if it's 2009 and we're in a recession, you don't have money to be paying people $4500 for shitboxes, why is it the government's job to help get someone into a new car? I wouldn't pay a dime trying to get people into a newer vehicle, let alone $4500 fucking dollars
>>28945015Zoomer here, I got my first car for $2000 at least a decade after C4C, which is less money than $300 in 1975 and the car is a hell of a lot better, too. C4C basically didn’t do anything.
>>28945022>The 700,000 new ones would've been sold anywayAt auction as the auto manufacturers went bankrupt.So that's 700,000 already built cars on the road to go against 13 million a year not being made, not that anyone would be able to afford them anyway since nobody would have a job.
>>28945250If the Jews were systematically murdering Palestinians there would be no Palestinians left.
>>28945468>the idea was that it would help millions of americans into safer vehicles No, the idea was to bail out the automakers to prevent a depression while giving the American people something for that money. The goal was to get them into more fuel efficient vehicles which would put more money in their pocket to spend on something other than gas, which goes right into the hands of the 1%.
>>28945532>At auction as the auto manufacturers went bankrupt.They deserved to go bankrupt for the cars they were making, you don't get rewarded for making garbage, we're 17 years since C4C and American cars and trucks couldn't be more ridiculous.
>>28945540There's just a bit of a problem with them all going bankrupt at the same time while in a financial crisis with a credit crunch.Put a million people out of work at the same time when consumer confidence is already taking a nosedive and consumer confidence is shattered leading to no one spending money on anything except essentials which means everybody except those providing those essentials loses their job, and now they can't even afford those essentials.
>>28944928Youre a fucking moron.>less than 39,000 Acura Legends made compared to 5 MILLION Accords in 1993.
>>28945575>Acting like we wouldn't have seen a Holoccord if they qualified for C4CCan you fucking imagine the price of a based Accord if the govt destroyed a shit ton of them and gave the owner way more than it was worth? So many Accords look like pic related and I wouldn't give the owner 45 cents to get a new car, let alone $4500
>>28945250The Genomeme is a psyop 4 ignorant suckers>>28945533Truke
>>28944922>2026>still believing old wive's talesDo you still think the middle East did 9/11?
>>28944928>OMG!!!! 31 Acura Legends were scrapped in C4C!!!!! (A grand total of ONE (1) 1993 model).We have the list.It didnt do jack fucking shit for "enthusiast" cars.https://www.thedrive.com/news/heres-the-full-list-of-all-677081-cars-killed-in-cash-for-clunkers
>>28945586>t. Zoomer who flunked history class because he played clash of clans instead of becoming literate
>>28945591It's 31 too many, o7s in the thread for the every any vehicle in there that could've taken someone places, That's also disturbing that a 2001-2002 MDX qualified, we're talking a 7-8 year old three row crossover with a J series V6, which wasn't even that old at the time, that's how ridiculous and wasteful it was.
I still hate Obama for this
>>28945586Israel is in the middle east so yes.
>>28945623Same, people fuckin gaslight us as if we're blaming everything expensive now on C4C, obviously we're not feeling the effects 17 years on because nothing like that has happened since and cars resumed going through their normal lives, not getting crushed way before their time, but back then it was awful, the cheap car market at the time was destroyed, so that people with money could get a new car, it's basically trickle up economics.
>>28945533>If the Jews were systematically murdering Palestinians there would be no Palestinians left.Nobody said they had a good system. Doing something and doing something well are not the same thing.Now the Germans, there's a race of people who are able to implement systems with precision. Why do you think their cars are so damn good.
>>28945532>At auction as the auto manufacturers went bankrupt.yeah right lol, auto companies aren't allowed to go bankrupt in the postwar economy, just endless bailouts and prop-ups
>>28945075>you cannot take inexpensive transportation out of the economy.Oy vey anon, that sounds awfully antisemitic, regressive even. Who really NEEDS their own transportation? Just take the public transport from your pod to your slave cave. If you can't even afford that, The Government will be happy to transport you at-cost until the point you are no longer necessary.
>>28944922270k. That's all I can give you.
>>28945509>were pieces of shit at the time too, headed for the scrapyard anyways.>had to be roadworthy with a current registration and inspection, as well as in that state for the entire previous year so it wasn't a shitbox someone pulled out of their yard and got a lick n stick inspection for just before bringing it to c4chmmmmmmmmmmmm
We're doing it again for what I think is the 2nd or maybe even 3rd time in my nordic shithole country and the used car market has never been this bad>your car has to be insured and inspected and at least 10 years old>if you give it up you'll get a whopping 2000€ to help you buy a brand new electric or hybrid carWHO THE FUCK FALLS FOR THIS SHIT
>>28945653The requirements were pretty insane, had to be registered and insured for a year, running and driving, under 25 years old, and there was really not much restriction on what you could use the $4500 for as long as it wasn't more than $45,000, which means you could buy brand new pickup truck since it was 1mpg or more than what you had previously, or you could do what a lot of people did and buy an efficient and nice Japanese car which means money wouldn't even go to the big three who were the ones struggling.Fantastic.
>>28944955YOU and your buddies are the reason F and G bodies are gone, not C4C.You bought them for cheap, beat the shit out of them and sold them for parts cars then bought another one in better shape to repeat the process with.You didnt buy them, restore them and send them on to live life as a classic.You bought them just to destroy them.Go ahead and go through the list here >>28945591Count yo hiw many were crushed in C4C.Then we'll look at production numbers.
>>28945689nah, you're an idiot. making up a bunch of bullshit like you know me. doubt you were even old enough to have a license back then.
>>28945509They destroyed all the good 350 chebbys you faggot.
>>28945252obamna bad
>>28945512>why is it the government's job to help get someone into a new cartickling the economy's g-spot with federal fun bucks is one of the tried and true methods of reversing economic downturns
>>28945697On a scale from Forrest Gump to Terri Schiavo, exactly how fucking retarded are you?>>28944955>my friends and i did this for years. we went through cars like candy, buying, modding, drag racing, selling, buying another, do it all over again.Exactly how many did you mod?How many did you drag race?You and your ilk are the reason they disappeared.>2009At that time I was married with 2 kids and had a car at SEMA every year from 2004-2008.
won't someone think of the heckin g-body caminorinos
>>28945800we never sold them worse than we bought them. we drove them, worked on them, and then passed them off to the next guy to enjoy. and i do not believe you, you were more likely not even born then based on your immature behavior now.
>>28945509>retard word salad wrong about every pointI like how you even brought in gas prices for some reason....and are wrong about that as well lolLet me explain it to you shrimp brains in simple terms: used car models don't have millions of cars for sale in circulation even if they made millions initiallyTake for example one of the most common cars, the 2nd gen caravan, only 23,998 were in c4c and the car is pretty much extinct today.Apply this to every used Toyota and 90s pickup truck, Buick, whatever the fuck and it literally explains why a running $500 car is $5000 today
>>28945810do you think it's because of cash for clunkers or because dodge in the 90s was incapable of building a car that could survive two decades of abuse by normies?
>>28945802So C4C took 143 out of the 80,064 produced in 84-87 ?0.1786%Less than 2 tenths of a percent.How many did IIHS destroy in crash tests?How many has Hollywood killed?
>>28945813The only reason Dodge is still alive is that building a car that can survive two decades of abuse by normies is the one thing they've been good at for 30 years.
>>28945808Youre a lying faggot thats full of shit.You got called out and realized your own activities were far more destructive and are now trying to save face.>we drag raced them>we modded themYou beat the fuck out of them, butchered them then bought another one to do it all over again because they were cheap and disposable.Fuck off, douchebag.
>>28945825Then why are there so few of them left when they sold literally millions of them? I know it's not because a fraction of a percent of them were turned into cash for clunkers.
>>28944938You brain dead MAGA fags are the worst thing that ever happened to this country.
>>28945831you're an angry little child.
>>28945846Youre a liar so nothing you say has any merit.
>>28945833rust, mostlythose things can live through 100k oil changes and boiled coolant, but rust is the great equalizer and those caravans rust like an 80s datsun. that's to be expected 30 years later, but a lot of them were still killed early when they were still saveable
>>28945866>a lot of them were still killed early when they were still saveableI can all but guarantee the ones that got turned into c4c were on deaths door. I have literally never seen a caravan or town and country from that era that didn't look like a ragged heap.
>>28945865you're an llm aren't you. your posts so angry and disjointed. you type like a 16 year old loser and claim to be 50-60 with a family and successful career, now you call me a liar for lying about ?? do you people have some scripts you run to counter political messaging you don't like or are you physically sitting there prompting chatgpt for your dumbass responses to me.
>>28945869Probably an Indian sitting in a 110 degree basement in Mumbai getting paid 10 rupees a post.
>>28944911Kinda. Most of it was useless junk cars. But some people cashed in their cars that would have made good parts cars at least.
>>28945887>But some people cashed in their cars that would have made good parts cars at least.That's another tragedy, is the destruction of good parts and cores, you will not believe how much money can be saved taking something from a pull your part instead of getting it brand new OEM like trim, body, etc.
>>28945869Youre a fucking idiot.Your original post was raging at C4C.Then you post about "going through them like candy", modifying them, racing them, flipping them and buying more to do the same thing with then blame a program that took a fraction of a single percent off the road.And now you claim that aftwr modifying them and racing them that you sold them in better condition then when you acquired them?!Its a ludicrous amount of irony.YOU are the reason the hobby and the world in general is shit now. Youre an 80 IQ monkey that shits in his kitchen then wonders why his house is infested with flies and cockroahes.
>>28945903are you listening to yourself? what is wrong with you..
>>28945905It reads like Gen Z boomer rage.
>>28944927I heard that it was every single Jewish person who ever lived was killed there
If you want to own the sports car. You will either pay 20k now or 50k in 20 yearsYour choice
>>28945920This, get your FT86 cars while they're not clapped
>>28944911It was a certified hol/o/caust and anyone who says otherwise is an autistic contrarian faggot.
There is no statistical anomalies when comparing current avilability between vehicles disposed of in C4C and vehicles that were either ineligible or built right after.Before C4C every junkyard had a couple hundred fox body mustangs.Another section with a couple hundred camaros.60,000 explorers out of 10,000,000+ and yet you can find the offending years on FB right now for sale.Go ahead and think of a model that you'd like to buy but (think) theyre not available.Now go look at the C4C list at how many were crushed.
>>28944911it was good for the environment and stimulated the economy as poors work harder when they're angry.
>>28945252you drive a tesla don't you
>>28944935>2 door Pathfinder>80 series Land Cruiser>1rst gen GSThis is why Trump won
>>28946011>There is no statistical anomalies when comparing current avilability between vehicles disposed of in C4Clmao theres a total of one for sale on the biggest car sales aggregator, and they want $13k
>>28946088Kek, these retards who weren't there completely ignore how hot OBS chevies and fords trucks are these days, and those were prime targets for C4C because it was an old truck, it would've been nice to have more of them around.>1992-1997 Ford F-150: 20,222>1988-2002 GM C/K pickup: 17,202
>>28944911It was to reduce the used market inventory in the US to drive consumers to buy new cars and stimulate the gas car industry, the GM/Ford/Chrysler. Why? Because they were nearly bankrupt at the time and politicans wanted to keep themselves in power by buying union votes.
>>28946011God I love explorers...
>>28946094>1992-1997 Ford F-150: 20,222>20,2221992-1996 F series production numbers>OVER 3 AND A HALF MILLION3,500,0003,479,788C4C crushed a rounding error.Oh wait.That was only 92-961997 was 750,000-800,000Schrodinger"s F150The 20,222 may or may not have existed at all.
