Justify an electric manual transmission car. I'm not talking about that simulated crap, that's as cringe as CVTs with simulated shifts. I want a real manual trans EV.The Taycan and e-tron GT have a two speed gearbox for launching and higher top speeds, could a weaker motor mated with a gearbox be used to increase the lower torque.I just want any justification no matter how slim.
>>28947798>overrated t can goyota shitbox gets even shittierEw Fuck off.
>>28947798Cause their fukin kool
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>>28947800>>28947804Malding
>>28947798>I just want any justification no matter how slimThere's not one. Transmissions exist as a necessity to compensate for an engines inability to rev high enough. If engines could (reliably) rev to 25k rpms then we would have never had multi gear transmissions. Putting a real manual transmission in an EV will only reduce range and power on top of increasing weight and complexity. Porsche tried the 2 speed gearbox but it was pointless as it ultimately achieved neither better acceleration, more range, nor higher speed and they ditched it in the be lnee cayenne
>>28947850electric motors lose efficiency very fast at high rpm so even if there's no need for torque multiplication you can get more efficient cruising and superior low speed performance with a multi-gear setupthe kind of people who want 1 gear electric cars are the kinds of morons who ride fixed gear bicycles. yes you can do it but it's stupid.
>>28947798>Justify an electric manual transmission car.no, evs are gay.
>>28947850> compensate for an engines inability to rev high enough.That's definitely not a reason>multi gear transmissions. Putting a real manual transmission in an EV will only reduce range Untrue. Electric motors also have an RPM range of most efficient operation, That's why EVs are geared, sometimes shiftable between two speedsThe OP car however exists only as a masturbatory exercise of misguided fanaticism
>>28947853No they don't. What you're thinking of is range vs speed. EVs lose range at higher speeds because of wind resistance not because of the speed of the motor. Gas cars suffer the same fate but ultimately no one cares because the difference between 30mpg and 25mpg is no biggie when you can just stop and fill up in 3 minutes
Why are amerrymutts so obsessed with manual cars Its like being obsessed with crank windows lmao
>>28947859>no they don'tYes, they do.It's always the futurefetish 'next thing' retards that know the least about whatever they're glazing at the moment. Read a book, nignog
>>28947859yes they do, higher rpm = more voltage = more wattage output = more energy useelectricity is not magic
>>28947865>>28947873Yeah you're probably right. Literally every single automotive engineer in the world is trying to figure out how to squeeze more range out of their EVs and not a single one of them right to use one of the same transmissions they've been using for over 100 years because I guess they're just not as smart as you
>>28947881>Literally every single automotive engineer in the world is trying to figure out how to squeeze more range out of their EVs and not a single one of them right to use one of the same transmissions they've been using for over 100 years because I guess they're just not as smart as you.engineers don't make the sales decisions, management does, and if management wants a glorified golf kart with no abrupt jerkiness that's what they get.
>>28947881>using some casual, logically fallacious reasoningThe worst part about low Iq blowhard toyotards is how resistant to self awareness they are. >Why Efficiency Drops at High SpeedsAt high RPMs, the laws of physics introduce several compounding power losses:Iron (Core) Losses: Alternating magnetic fields cause power loss in the stator. These losses scale with frequency, meaning they increase rapidly at higher speeds, creating excessive heat and wasting electrical energy.Windage Losses: High rotation speeds create aerodynamic drag inside the motor. These friction-like losses against the internal air or rotor geometry are roughly proportional to the cube of the rotor speed Back EMF (Electromotive Force): As the motor spins faster, it generates an internal voltage (Back EMF) that pushes back against the supply voltage. The controller must use more current to overcome this, causing elevated (copper) losses and thermal stress.Friction Losses: Bearings and (in brushed motors) commutators experience increased mechanical wear and friction, converting kinetic energy into wasted heat.And most EVS do have a transmission. Stop being wrong and annoying
>>28947881>be me>buy EV>comes with "upgraded" unaerodynamic, 35 lb 20" wheels>replace with lightweight 20 lb 18" aero wheels>range magically goes up by 20%I imagine this is closer to the engineers' original ideas before designers and marketers fucked it up
>>28947887Okay yes technically at some level this is true. The point isn't that they are magically 100% efficient at all rpms but that the loss of efficiency is significantly less than the loss of efficiency from adding a transmission
>>28947881The original Tesla roadster and Rimac both use transmissions retardAnon.
>>28947859Some motor designs suffer from higher counter-EMF at higher speeds. It's the same designs that rock the torque at low speeds. But in the end, Multiphase synchronous motors rule the day.
>>28947798okay? what do you expect us to do about it?
Synchronous motors are too good for gear stages to make sense
>>28947798Why?A multi-speed gear box is not some feature of a car, but a necessity given the power/torque curves of piston engines. Electric motors have high torque from zero RPM on, and they can spin at 10000RPM (depending on construction).The Taycan's 2 speed is one of the very few cases of an EV not being single speed and arguably it's already over-engineering.
>>28948085And how many gears do the modem teslas and rimacs use
>>28947798>I want a real manual trans EV.Damn are you dumb...
>>28947850>Putting a real manual transmission in an EV will only reduce range and power on top of increasing weight and complexity.This.
>>28947855>Electric motors also have an RPM range of most efficient operation, That's why EVs are geared, sometimes shiftable between two speedsSo, Porsche Taycan and the Audi e-tron GT>A retard cites 2 Edge Cases as if they should be considered the Rule.Sorry fag, grocery momma doesn't need sub 2.8 second launch times or 170mph+ maximum efficiency.
>>28948199>muh exception to the ruleIt's called evolution bitchFind the EVs that that drive the wheels directly 1:1 from the motor, we'll wait while you pound keys. While you're at it, Read a book nigger and stick to your to goyotas or testlas
>>28948216If you don't have a motor in every wheel with high unsprung masses, you need some kind of gearing anyway so you can also add some reduction without losing efficiency.
>>28948216>>28948229Bullshitter.>Yeah, and next year, we can introduce the Accord with better than F1 performanceBullshitter.
>>28948235What?I wrote nothing wrong here....
Makes sense to me. Electric motors have different power output and efficiency at different rpm.
There's no justification for performance reasons. You achieve the best results with one or two gears. Anything else eats up efficiency. I love the idea though of a 5 or 6sp manuel ev but only if I can either build it for cheap or as last hope for a bit of fun in a total ev dystopia in the future. Since material for ev conversions is still too expensive and neither do we have the ev dystopia (yet) I rather enjoy my gas cars.
>>28947798Its common on EV conversions. Autotragics are gay and use solenoid and shit to work and the TCM will mald about an engine not being present. Grugg manual gearbox dont give a shit and just work.
Just get a manual hybrid and be done with it
>>28947860Just can't do the slushbox thing it's too humiliating
