which do you prefer?
>>28951661They are both terrible for different reasons.
>>28951661>fancy carVette>livable DDmustang >truckFord
>>28951661Ford, yurop
I had a Cavalier back in the days so I'll go with Chevy, but I won't buy either brand.
>BRAND vs BRANDdie
>>28951661I chose both
>>28951661You know what Ford stands for? It stands for Fix it again Tony
>>28951661GM. The GMT800 platform alone is better than pretty much anything Ford has ever shat out. Sadly your best bet for a new truck is probably a Ford.
>>28951661Both are Golem NPC brands
Chevy and it's not even close. Also Henry Ford was a massive fag who seethed at literally everything.
>>28951720Jew spotted
>>28951726Found the krautsucker.Remember, people don't swap ford engines into everything but they sure do with chebby bloccs because they're just better at making engines (just like how America is better than Germany)
>>28951703GMT800 is trash.Electrical system is Favella tier (lol printed circuit boards in taillights)Plastic everywhere (plastic door handles inside & out- you WILL replace all of them multiple times)ECUs are so fucking retarded they have to be calibrated for specific models.Who gives a shit if the engine still runs when everything wrapped around it falls apart
>>28951731Post the GM engine that has won LeMans or Top Fuel Dragster.
>>28951892>Post the top .1% of offerings to justify the dogshit 99.9% of offersFord v Ferrari worked wonders on you GM with all their fuckery is still infinitely a better car company for the everyman than Ford. You will never own a top fuel dragster let alone pilot oneYou will never win Lemans let alone participate in it let alone being a spectator of it.James may was right, paper stat autists were the demise of cars
>>28951887>Who gives a shit if the engine still runs when everything wrapped around it falls apartAll the plastic shit will be broken but it'll still get you to work every day or make you money every day. You can't say that about the Ford, Dodge and Toyota trucks from that era because they pretty much don't exist at this point.
I'm a Mopar guy
>>28951661Not chebby per se but I'm a fence sitter
>>28951907>Ford, Dodge and Toyota trucks from that era because they pretty much don't exist at this point.What a delusional fanboi faggot.No wonder you accept a truck falling apart around you.You live in your own little fantasy world.
>>28951661Both make some good and bad cars and parts.I'm not a brand loyal retard..t own a 66 F100 & 64 C10
>>28951900You do realize Ford didnt run some boutique engine like the Indy at LeMans and they were just small block 289s, 302s and side oiler 427s, right? (289s in cars like the Daytona and 427 then 302 in the GT40s).And im not even talking about BOSS 302s or SOHC 427s.They were just pushrod engines that can be cloned right now.Go ahead and post the engine in your DD and let's see its pedigree.
>>28952031lol make a tally chart on your next bus ride and report back. The jellybean F150's rotted away or were mechanically totaled by a spark plug a decade ago. You only see Cummins Rams from that era. All the gassers are extinct because they rotted, blew their trannies and blew their shitty engine.
>>28951661Chevy seems to feel like its a spic nig car
chevy The last NA 6 cylinder mid size suv on the market
Dad was a Chev man so I had to like Chev too.
for me it's chevrolet (pronounced shev-vro-let)
>>28952069Jellybeans are still rolling around with service bodies for companies that dont want to replace them because they just keep going. Meanwhile GMT800s are relegated to Jose's lawncare with the door held closed with a piece of rope and a bogus $250 smog certificate because nothing electronic under the hood works right.I guarantee you have more non running vehicles in your yard than running and you think thats normal (well, it is for GM)
>>289520695.2 and 5.9 Chrysler engines were great and would probably outlast anything chevy made
>>28951661Highly depends on the model and year.
>>28952146>mid size suvLooks like a crossover. A pigfat unibody sedan.An SUV is a body on frame vehicle. Full sized would be the tahoe. Midsized would be the k5 blazer. A small SUV would be something like the geo tracker.
>>28952187no one cares.
>>28952191Men do. Women and fags don't. Thanks for letting us know which you are.
>>28951661ford numba1
>>28951661Fords are full of gremlins from being sabotaged by jooz.
>>28952169So where are they? How come nobody swaps them into things like the LS?
>>28952410Friend has a Coyote swapped dent side.Another has a 300 six swapped '28.Another has a 350 SBC samurai.I have a 5.0 ranger.Thats just an example of 4 random people hanging out on a Friday night.Your experience of engine swaps consists of YouTube videos so of course all you can imagine is LS.
>>28952427You're just reinforcing my point. How many people in your club have swapped a shitty hemi into something? How many triton swaps are there?
>>28951661I've owned a total of 15+ Fords and 10+ GMs. Model years from 1962-2022. Trucks and cars. It's literally just what you like or down to model and year to which one is "better" or preferred. Currently both make shit economy products and both only have a few select models and configurations that are truly good. Overall I'm a Ford guy out of the two and Ford sucks.>>28951887I agree with this, but with the caveat that I acknowledge some of the issues are shit that most 20+ year old vehicles have. I've owned a total of 3 GMT800s and each had electrical issues or gremlins. Everything from HVAC controllers and blend door actuators dying or getting out of calibration constantly, parasitic drains from multiple switches and modules, pigtails and wires basically disintegrating and ECU issues. Not mention crossmember and frame rot, or 4L60s being ass. People romanticize Vortecs and don't think about the rest.Fords of the era have all the same issues though. Kinda the same realm as people praising 7.3 Powerstrokes. The motors are great but the electrical systems(especially in OBSs) are fucking ass. I bet there's a large portion of trucks that went to the landfill because there was a decent period without an option for aftermarket wiring harnesses or OE sensors with a shit aftermarket. 90s-00s electrical systems sucked but age has just made it worse. >>28951907I see more 10th and 11th gen F150s on the road than GMT800s, but that tracks because Ford sold millions more. Tundras had 2UZs and were a more reliable truck stock for stock. You just don't see them because Toyota only made 750k for the whole model run while there's like 6 million GMT800s.
>>28951661Since I'm Ausfailian I'll talk about Australian Ford vs Holden, but imo 100% Ford. Ford Australia were using their own Ford Australia designed engines (based intech and barra) and had their own designed chassis for literally decades while Holden always just took GM partsbin engines and only in 2006 finally bothered to make their own chassis instead of using a fucking opel. Plus Ford Australia actually bothered to make their own SUV instead of importing the shittiest SUV known to man. Plus Ford smaller cars were better, The Focus and Fiesta are a million times better than the garbage Astra, Cruze and Barina.Too bad they're both dead.
>>28951661Ford.
>>28951699First on race day
>>28952410Well the 318/360 is outdated now and you can much more horsepower for cheaper out of something like an LS. That's one reason.
Vette, Stang and F150 are the only vehicles you should bother with. That’s where all of their money goes into and it shows
>>28952442>that most 20+ year old vehicles haveWithin my circle of friends we cover most generations of fullsize trucks of the big 3.The GM electrical problems are not normal. My GMT400 is probably the most stable (shit voltage at taillights, gauge issues, broken door handles), friends GMT800 is a gremlin factory- but those issues arent present on the Fords and Dodges.
>>28951892Post your tiny, shriveled cock ford boy
>open door>DOOTDOOTDOOTDOOO>put key in if it ignition >DOOTDOOTDOOTDOOO >actually start it>DOOTDOOTDOOTDOOO >oh your not wearing a seatbelt?>DOOTDOOTDOOTDOOO fUCK ford
>>28952830that’s every manufacturer in current year
>>28951661>people still talking about the GMT800 as if there's still millions of under 100k miles, rust free, LT3 trucks aroundCome on grandpa its 2026 lets move into the modern era already. Those rust free, low mileage cateye chevys? They're over $50k now. Let's get realistic with vehicle that people are actually buying. Anyway Ford is much better these days. They have their issues but not nearly to the extent Chevy does. Their current V8 platform is an absolute disaster.
>>28951661Chevy is for homosexuals
Neither, both haven't made a good automobile in a decade
>>28952824>the GM fanboi wants to see dick pics.....and nobody was surprised.
>>28951661Ford. The '69-'79 Lincolns are the best cars ever produced. Big, comfy, reliable, modular, and any fiddly cadillac-esque bullshit is non-essential and not baked into the fucking drivetrain.
>>28951661Both are shit. Ferd won when Chevrolet became a dead husk piloted by GM. They're not even a car company anymore and are the poor person brand GM owns. Even changed the name to Chevy.
>>289519074.6 jellybeans are still on the road driven by turbo poors to hundrends and hundredsof thousands of miles. I see slightly more of those than 1500 GMT800s. Lots of 2500 GMT800s but the 1500s I see are particularly dissolved and looking rough compared to jellybeans or are pristine and imported from the south because of the cat eye meme. Even then I see more jelly beans but at weird hours like early AM, on weekends and the middle of the night. Like all the poverty trugg havers come out from and go to over night shift work or are 70+ retirees on social security.>t. rustbelt
>>28952824You’re projecting, bow tie pussy
>>28953392Your smooth brain is full of shit. Neanderthal ape.
>>28952704I should clarify.When I said "my GMT400 is the most stable" I mean I have the least issues of any other GMT400/800 within 50 miles and its still a piece of shit after being babied its entire life (was a "one owner, garage kept, only driven to church" kind of truck when I bought it).This isnt about brand loyalty.This is about some very dark days at GM where they dumped some absolute garbage designs on the public to make an extra 3 dollars per vehicle.I mean, seriously.>Taillight housings with a fucking internal printed wiring matrix film to save 3 cents on copper wire and 6 seconds plugging in the harness on the assembly line.All 4 door handles on my '66 Ford are original (all of my Fords have original door handles).All 4 door handles on my buddy's '99 Dodge are original.My GMT400 is on its second set of replacements and my buddy had to swap some of his on the GMT800.>dur hur its just door handles.Oh your 4L60E needs a rebuild?Just order a 3/4 shell with the seal/friction disc kit because I guarantee its cracked.The issues are never ending.
>>28953501Why do you people always make the biggest deal out of the smallest shit? Oh no the dash and the door handles crack!!!! So use a dash pad and don't hamfist the door handles. Do you know how to avoid the 4L60E issues all together? Buy a 3/4 ton...
>>28951720>Also Henry Ford was a massive fag who seethed at literally everything.A better and arguably more influential man than George Washington. He's comfortably the greatest American that has ever lived unless you're limiting it to gay shit like politics/military.
>>28953515>make the biggest deal out of the smallest shit>smallestInstrument cluster doesnt work on the GMT400Well, the speedometer works sometimes- the more you drive it, the more it works.Had to install an aftermarket oil pressure gauge because fixing the gremlins costs more than i paid for the truck.Everything still works normally on the '66 F100 and the '99 Dodge.So according to dipshit over there-speedometer, oil pressure, engine temp, fuel level, brake lights, door handles exploding transmissions, pitman arms, door hinges, paint peel and RUST arent a big thing.Am I on brazil4chan?Because I just described some favella-tier trash
>>28953562Spend $300 on a rebuilt cluster or pick one of the infinite aftermarket options. Yeah most electronic shit isn't going to work in a 30+ year old truck. That's just going to happen with any manufacturer. It's a little ironic how you bring up electrical gremlins and steering component issues on a GM when you own a fucking Dodge lmao. Yeah because Dodge is known for their stellar transmissions. That's definitely the pot calling the kettle black. I don't know what you and your clapped out 400 has to do with my original point. In the real world, not the made up utopia where you live, GMT800's outnumber every other "old" truck still on the roads. Most of these are still working hard. You can't say the same for shitty old Fords or shitty old gasser Dodges.
>>28953579>Yeah most electronic shit isn't going to work in a 30+ year old truck. That's just going to happen with any manufacturerHuh.Then thats so weird that my 62 yearold fuel level sending unit, gauge and voltage regulator still works.>unlike GM, real manufacturers use a separate voltage regulator for the fuel gauge so the gauge doesnt fluctuate every time you hit a bump or encounter a grade for 10 seconds.Crack open another beer and rage some more.If you sperg enough I might post some data logs from my 1989 (model redacted) with a piggyback logger thats running all factory sensors, actuators, ECU, engine, transmission, diff...>omg, how is it THAT original after 37 years?!?!Because its not a GM product.
