why did the best japanese cars came just after the bubble burst?
the best japanese cars came out in the late 2000s/2010s. the R35 was better than any of the skylines, the A90 Poopra was better than the A80, the 2010s NSX was better than the 90s. even the ND miata shits on the FD.
>>28969747Because R&D takes a fvcking long time anon. All the wild jap cars of the 90s were being developed while the economy was still doing gangbusters and companies had money to burn on shit like economy cars with gullwing doors.
>>28969751This is like saying that the PS3 was better than the PS1. Ofc they are comparatively better they're fucking 20 years newer. But the Japs weren't putting out world beaters in the 2000s and 2010s like they were in the 90s. The NSX was mogging on Ferrari when it came out in 89, you can't say that about the 2010s one.
>>28969751>the ND miata shits on the FD.keep telling yourself that, miata owner.
>>28969780Ferrari had already released the F40 before the 90s NSX even launched. nothing honda could've possibly made could mog ferrari at all. no one who was buying a ferrari gave a shit about the NSX at all. the cars they made in the 2010s was the closest japan ever got to "world beater". nothing in the 90s was even relevant on the world stage. they weren't even winning races outside japan. most NSXs, Skylines, etc were sold in Japan because people outside japan didn't care about them.
>>28969796F40 was a different bracket to the NSX. F355 is the appropriate comparison.Picrel dominated group A so comprehensively that they banned it and changed the rules completely. See also everything to do with rally during that era.
>>28969805the F355 sold circles around the 90s NSX as well, so where was the mogging?. the R32 you posted only raced in australia. the rest of the R32s didn't dominate anything outside japan, that car only won because it was built by an australian team who knew how to cheat. Toyota is dominating rally right now. in addition to having actually won le mans several times over, in addition to the GTR winning far more international races than the R32 ever did. new NSX won far more races outside japan than the old one. What japanese cars are doing now is far better than anything they were pretending to do in the 90s.
>>28969805The R32 never got banned from anything. Group A as a whole died.
>>28969805NSX was more like a 911, a 964 given the time period. Ferrari's 348 should've been better so the F355 came out to rectify that.
>>28969918>NSX was more like a 911,Dumbass motherfucker the 911 was always a rental spec (plastic engine, McDonald's struts) car, don't ever compare it to a NSX. you can compare that piece of shit to something like a Nissan 350z but that's not even fair either the z has bones kek
>>28969796Dumb as fuck wrenchlet
>>28970020>>28970023it's everyone's favorite shitposter, wheelgap spic.
>>28970026What the fuck wheel gap shit are you talking about you faggot ricer?
You ever just see a car and think>yeah I'm gonna rest my balls on top of that hoodJap cars have a certain asiatic feminine touch.
>>28970035you need to stop watching corn.
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>>28969751> even the ND miata shits on the FDbrown “people” are so retarded, holy shit.The FD has:~25% better power to weight ratio and way more tuning potentialA much better wheelbaseMuch better weight distribution (50/50 vs 53/47)Better steering: miata has a shitty EPS rackSkidpad/handling: FD pulled 1g on 1992 era tires, ND is 0.9 - 0.92gLooks: FD still wins, although at least now the miata doesn’t look like shit. If the miata were so good, it wouldn’t be selling for less than a 25 year old clapped out FD.
>>28970110>at least now the miata doesn’t look like shitRicer
>>28970128post bus
>>28970035no but i do know that many 90s toyotas had a ball cooler and i would like to air out my balls when i drive
>>28970026Post wheelgaps
The sw20 is the best car ever made
>>28970110the only way the FD wins is if you replace the shit engine with an LS. everyone chooses the miata when racing for a reason.
>>28970256If you're gonna put an LS in an FD, you're missing the point of the car and should just buy a Corvette instead
>>28970269the point of the car is all the shit you listed here>>28970110 but if you're suggesting none of that stuff matters and the engine is the only reason to buy an FD then thanks for admitting the ND miata is in fact superior.most roturds end up on the drag strip and not a track anyway.
>>28969747IDK why dont you post a best japanese car in the OP so we can see what youre talking about nigger
>>28970269True, but FDs are objectively better with an LS because it maintains the character of the car while making it faster and more reliable/durable. I would never LS swap mine but I didn't buy it to have a fast car, there are plenty of faster options for FD money.>>28970256>everyone chooses the miata when racing for a reason.Thanks captain obvious, miatas are cheap and plentiful and there are actual racing series for miatas so yeah everyone chooses a miata for a fucking race car. There's no racing series for RX7s and an FD race build would would be 2-3x more expensive, assuming you bought one that was rough to start with instead of overpaying for a nice one you're just going to tear up. You could buy two turn key spec miatas for the price of one FD race build, and you'd actually have a racing series to compete in that isn't just a class series filled with different cars.
>>28970269This.>>28970560You just want a C5 vette bro. I aint reading all that nonsense.
>>28970714>You just want a C5 vette bro.uh nah. You can buy the nicest C5 Z06s in the country for the price of an ok FD. If I wanted a C5, I would have a C5.
>>28970418>youThat wasn't my post
>>28970560>with an LS because it maintains the character of the carWat, rotary is literally what makes rotary Mazdas rotary Mazdas
>>28969751> a90 better than a80lol fuck off
>>28970738Ok? So? You're a fucking midwit. Buy a C5 if you want a rwd v8 light weight not a rx7.
>>28970995>c5>lightweight i guess bro
>>28971006Modern tires cancel weight out up to 3,000lbs
>>28970903Well if you haven't driven an FD you'd think that, but the FDs don't drive like other rotary cars, except maybe the Cosmo with the same twin turbo setup that is. They have gobs of torque from 2500rpm on, the power delivery is not stereotypical rotary>lolnotorque>you have to rev it out broIt's much closer to a V8. Now when you single turbo bridge port brapmax you completely change the character of the car, it's a bigger change in character to go from a stock/bolt on mods REW to a high strung racey rotary than it is to go to an LS with a cam.
>>28971153as opposed to what? an rx3?? what "Other rotary cars" are there?
>>28971170Are you retarded or just pretending?
>>28971170>he thinks the FD was the only gen of RX7
>>28971170The legendary NSU Ro80
>>28970251Why? Explain it
>>28970251>>28971229the SW20 is what the original NSX should've been.
>>28971235Why? Whats so good about it? Explain it
>>28971243it's everything the NSX is but actually affordable.
>>28970256>everyone chooses the miata when racing for a reasonBecause it's dirt cheap and has a low skill ceiling Can buy 5x miatas for the price of a decent FDThere's a reason never see miatas dominating time attack championships but FDs always do...
>>28971250FDs don't even dominate time attack in Japan. they got BTFO by pushrods at tsukuba.
>>28970560>FDs are objectively better with an LS because it maintains the character of the car while making it fasterThen why are all the fastest FDs rotary powered? LS swaps are a meme for street driven cars that only get driven once a month to some lame meet. Either that or they are stuck in someone's garage half finished because they are in over their heads doing a "le simple swap", or in a shop with a 30 grand bill that the owner can't afford to pay to have it completed.
>>28971254A civic beat that corvette time you're referring to, cope and seethe. Year after year even the mild rotary FD builds smack the shit out of full on LS swap builds at WTAC at SMSP which is a track that actually favours fast cars.
>>28971262a civic did not beat the Corvette's time of 51 seconds around tsukuba. a fucking camaro is faster than the fastest roturd around SMSP. formula holden, which is just naturally aspirated V6 pushrods, is faster than formula mazda. meaning all else being equal, LS swaps are actually faster.
>>28971275Formula Holdens are heavily modified and make like 340hp which is way beyond a stock buick 3800, the Formula Mazdas use a factory stock renesis.Also an LS engine has never won le mans. Cope and seethe.
>>28971275>>28971277Also the Formula Mazda can run for several seasons and never need a rebuild but the Formula Holden's are lucky to last an entire season on the same engine kek.Rotary reliability therefore > pushrod reliability
>>28971277pushrods have won le mans more times than roturds. roturds also have a higher DNF than any LS car in motorsports.>>28971281modified roturds don't last, either. the race cars have a higher DNF than any corvette in motorsports lmao.
>>28971292pushrods don't need a handout to win a race, either. roturds literally needed to beg the racing official to not run ballast while everyone else did lmao.
>>28971292>pushrods have won le mans more times than roturdsSo not LS engines then :^)>the race cars have a higher DNF than any corvette in motorsports lmaoAnd yet a corvette has never won le mans or ever finished at nurburgring 84 hours :^)
>>28971248And actually good looking
>>28971322>So not LS engines then :^)the roturd that was given a handout at le mans was not a 13 B. looks like the LS is superior, let alone pushrods.>a corvette has never won le mans or ever finished at nurburgring 84 hours neither has the FD or the 13 B.looks like the LS wins. more racing heritage, and pushrods have more racing heritage than roturds. GG no re.
>>28971326>the roturd that was given a handout at le mans was not a 13 B. looks like the LS is superior, let alone pushrodsSo it was still a B series rotary, its like saying an LS7 isn't an LS because it's not an LS1Idiot wrenchlet
>>28971339the LS7 was a production engine, though. the 26B was just a custom race engine only ever found in one car.
>>28971339>>28971368and by the same token the Ford engines are still pushrod engines that function in fundamentally the exact same way as an LS.
>>28971368The Mazda 4 rotor could be ordered from factory as a crate engine tho albeit
>>28971422so post a link where one could order this custom engine from the le mans prototype.
>>2897145913J was offered by Mazdaspeed, its basically the 26B without the fancy telescopic intake runners and the 3rd spark plugs
>>28971257>durrrrrrrrrr muh time attack carsI don't care about race cars retard. Only street cars.
>>28971527Then buy an EV, wrenchlet slowlet toollet wheelgaplet leasespeclet nigger.
>>28969747>>28969751you are all wrong. the best japanese cars were the lightweight NA cars. the civic type rs, the aw11 mrs, the mazda roadster, the s2000, the list goes on. anyone who has been watching best motoring/hot version since the early 2000s would know that the cars like the supra, z32, etc are a separate class. called grand tourers. they sacrifice some performance in the way of handling and linear NA power delivery in exchange for comfort and torque from turbochargers. grand toureres are seen as more road oriented sports car counterparts to pure driving amchines like lightweight NA cars. that's why on the gunsai touge and other technical courses, the much more powerful, expensive, and esteemed vehicles like supras, gtrs, etc are matched or even beaten by lightweight NA cars with modest modifications. they even ran segments where they referred to these grand touring cars as "japanese muscle" because they are built in the same vein as the ford mustang and chevy camaro.> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6vF_J4FRKE
>>28971537shut up buzzwordposting nigger
>>28969747You think the development of a car takes 2 weeks? Obviously all of the JDM heroes that came out in early 90s were developed in late 80s (and some of them even did come out in late 80s, like the R32, S13, SW20 and NA Miata). And tje crisis is the reason why pretty much all of them were made until 2002 with only small changes at the most. Must ne a bait question.
>>28971466and a ford small block is basically Ford's own chevy 350. therefore any of those GT40s that won le mans could've easily been chevies and the LS swap still wins even in your cope world.
>>28971538>the best jap cars were the tin can shitboxes with noodle chassis>two modified cars where the person who dumps the most money on their mods winswow, what a meaningless revelation.
>>28971638that mrs literally just has a 2zz swap and some coilovers+tires. lmfao. also, how is a supra from the late 90s not a "tin can" if a s2000 from the late 90s is? your logic is retarded. you're just a dumbass zoomer weeb who knows nohting about the cars from the era. mk3 and mk4 supras, along with toyota soarers were known for extreme understeer, even in best motoring test videos from when they were first released. that's the difference between grand touring cars and actual sports cars.
>>28971643>that mrs literally just has a 2zz swap and some coilovers+tiresnope, i don't think they came from the factory with big ass wings and momo steering wheels. they probably have a lot more than that. unless I see a complete list of modifications and how much everything cost, comparing two modified cars doesn't tell us anything about their handling. we don't know what shit either car is even using. also, claiming your tin can shitboxes are "pure driving machines, they just need a couple grand dumped into them to keep up with a stock camaro on all seaons" isn't helping your case, either. I'm not even praising the 90s jap shit like the OP is. I think the best jap cars came from the 2010s. cars that are good out of the factory and don't need to be modified.
>>28971676they literally show all the mods in teh full videos, but you wouldn't even know what that series is zoomzoom. it's the most in depth car show of all time, top gear is child's play in comparison. you probably "cut up" in your mom's dodge caliber zoomzoom
>>28971153Meh, that's like saying modern turbo 4 and 6 cylinders are like V8s because their turbos spool up at 1500 rpm. It's still not the same, the powerband is still different, the way the rotary doesn't vibrate like a V8, the sound is different, it's a completely different experience.
turbos on rotaries only cause the rotary to be less unique. a high revving na rotary is awesome. totally unique. a turbo rotary just feels like any other engine if you're deaf.
