ICEbros not like this AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhttps://www.motor1.com/news/798173/toyota-chairman-reveals-worst-fear/
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>>28980166>2022>Chevy
>>28980166you vill buy a new EV every 3 years und scrap ze old one und you vill be happy. it is good for ze environment
no theyre not lol
>>28980162Ah yes, good ol' manufactured consent
>>28980162>guyz why does nobody want to drive something thats 10x more expensive to operate and more annoying to maintain.>guyz I get the NVH is significantly worse and feeling gears change is fucking terrible in 2026 but why not?>guyz our cars are significantly slower per dollar.>guyz pls buy our ice cars we fucked up, we only made cars for glorious nippon where people cant charge evs but we forgot nippon isnt only market. Pls buy our cars.
>>28980182imagine being this gay. wait you dont have to
>>28980182>rejects EVs>increases marketshare>still #1 by a massive margintotal fairure!
>>28980195"look at how high we are bro there's no way there will possibly be any downside in the future" says man building the top floor of some tower in babel
>>28980172Get in ze pod und eat ze bugz
idk maybe if governments weren't regulating ICE's into non-existence there would be more people holding out with them
>>28980182Why can't nips charge their cars?
>>28980162Combustion engines run on a duopoly of fuels -- gasoline or diesel. Yes, there are some natural gas engines floating around, but that wasn't really embraced. Seems mostly limited to semi trucks or some fleet situations.And that duopoly of fuels can only be produced from a single feed stock -- crude oil.Compare to electricity, which can be generated from fossil fuels, hydro, solar, wind, nuclear, etc. It makes zero sense to play the oil companies' game anymore. They have shown themselves to be bad actors -- the GM EV1 ordeal, PNGV program, light trucks CAFE loophole.Beyond whether people who can should be switching to electric, a better question is whether any legacy automaker trying to transition to EVs should have their products shunned for all the bullshit they engaged with.
>>28980182>Leaf>Abhorrent post
>>28980170maaaahk
>>28980195Blackberry's peak revenue was 2012, 5 years after the iPhone announcement.
>>28980502was that before or after they made their "submit your resume" website address rim.jobs?
The war in Iran has unironically soured everyone on petrol cars. Yeah ok fueling is fast but EVs are gaining advantage by just about every other aspect. Comfort? EVs. Speed? EVs. Reliability? EVs. Price? Starting to skew to EVs favor outside of shitbox territory.Every year that passes, EV advantage grows ever stronger. A few years from now, only die hards and jeets will care for gas cars.
>>28980511Was this post a hallucination by A.I.? I have no clue what it's trying to say.
>>28980512Also, the advantage of EV is even more apparent if you run your own solar panels and can basically operate a car completely independent from the grid. It's funny how EVs often get accused of being reliant on government energy but it's really the opposite. EVs are far more independent.
>>28980511>they made their "submit your resume" website address rim.jobs
>>28980513i am sorry that your mother dropped you on your head when you were an infant
>>28980516Another A.I. hallucination.
>>28980162Because other CEO's with the exception of nissan and maybe mazda, are soulless machines that only want line-go-up. They want fast profits from cheap EV's that explode after 2 years and don't give a shit about the company they work for since they can just use stock performance to justify golden parachutes. These other companies will be giga-fucked in the next 5 years when china or Toyota finally makes a good solid state battery and completly crushes the cheap EV market.
>>28980517no you
>>28980518>Toyota>not the epitome of soulless sellout kikesLMAOOOO
>>28980523GRchads... our guy is a chud
>>28980166Oh wow, a single repair bill shows all EVs are expensive to repair and maintain.Now here's a smart black man. This proves all black men are smart.
>>28980513>>28980516since you are retarded, i will spell it out for you.the company that makes blackberry is research in motion. they abbreviate it rim.as a big company they bought several tld's with this abbreviation, including rim.com and rim.jobsseveral companies make the website corpo.jobs be the place where they post and you apply for jobs. rim followed suitrim.jobs is basically rimjobs, which is a degenerate sexual act performed by faggots like you, but im sure you already know that
>>28980523>T-THEY LIKE POLITICIAN I DON'T LIKE!!they have produced more sports and performance cars than pretty much every other company. They have the most soul out of everyone in the industry
>>28980532>hehh, yeah it wasn't a pathetic sellout it acktually just them liking a politician you don't likeChuds be doing spineless chud shit as usual>>28980162Boycott bitch, you wont.
>>28980532the supra is made by bmw (spit).the gr86 is barely a performance car and it is made by subaru.
>>28980523>be Jap>get needlessly nuked TWICE because the jews wanted to try out their new toys>80 years later>dress up like a jester to please your murderous mastersBeing Japanese is a state of eternal cuckoldry.
>>28980523Look, a pet and his white owner smiling for the cameras!
>>28980162A chink EV SUV with more features costs less than a petrol/hybrid sedan so ofc ppl are shifting to EVs
>>28980539We dropped the sun on them twice because they did pearl harbor you fucking kraut sucking faggot. How about you join your furher in hell by deep throating that luger bitch.These stupid fucking mutt-ayrans gotta go
>>28980532For commercial use? Fuck all. They're worse than both Nissan and Honda. Their performance cars are just for beating track records. Meaning useless for us. Literally raped by their German superiors.
>>28980549And America just killed 200 school children in a war orchestrated by kikes. You have no moral ground to stand on. Americans are evil and your cars suck and keep flopping.
>>28980553shut the fuck up sweden
>>28980553And yet, it's not Americans or Jews that made suicide bombings popular. Funny how that works.>Afgani Carpet mine sweepers were children rolled into rugs and thrown into minefieldsMaybe those 200 school children would stop dying if habibi stopped stocking all their small arms and IEDs in said school/hospitals But you can't fathom shit because you're dumber than a bag of hammers you little shit. Always remember it was the libs, euros, and jews that saved the world by snuffing evil little fucks like you. Better watch yourself fore you catch a slug ho'
>>28980549>because they did pearl harborYour government knew this was going to happen but didn't warn the base or put up additional defenses (though they moved the carriers out and only kept the junk battleships with their full crews in the harbor), because the Jews wanted them to join the war but the American citizens didn't at the time.
Inb4 Farfour/Hanz tries to desperately rewrite history to spew his delulu bullshit just to cope over him obsessing over histories biggest losers (thats why he relates to them)
>>28980560Cute kraut fairy tale, did the uncle that raped you tell it to you or did you just parrot some random influencer that you treat as a father figure told you that little gretel?
>>28980559>And yet, it's not Americans or Jews that made suicide bombings popularNeither fid Iranians? Or does mutt think everyone outside of his McDonald's nation is same ethnicity? Shut the fuck up. I'd smack your bitch face up.
The lobby kings
>>28980162i would estimate at least 80% of the EV market is government regulation oriented, so it really only takes China or the EU deciding they feel like it to turn the tides. EU could half the price of gasoline tomorrow just by changing how they tax it. Therefore, I don't think this talk about "we're in the swan song of the ICE" is reasonable
>>28980572I.o.W. betting on EV's forever dominance is like betting on 100 years of total libtard dominance. I don't think we're looking forward to another two decades of libtards dominating Europe, let alone enough time to fully kill ICE.
>>28980572Why would China or the EU -- both highly industrialized areas with relatively little domestic hydrocarbon resources -- move away from electrification? It doesn't make any logical sense. Stop and think for 2 seconds.>>28980574Why is a consumer product a political identifier for non-elites? For people at the top, sure -- they have rentier income and potential stranded assets to fret over.But for regular people? No organic reason to be animated by it at all. The reduced maintenance, home charging, greater variety of potential input sources for electricity, all fall in favor of electric, if anything. Of course when you understand that through viral marketers and botting, vested interests with rentier income and potential stranded assets can start a propaganda campaign to take advantage of the less intelligent among us, then it makes it a little clearer.
>>28980565You aint hard you a buster. Quit acting like you about that life little gupYou gotta be a easy mark ass sucka' if you thinkin Iran is anything but an adversaryWar is hell. Collateral damage exists especially when Muhammad hides behind children.Where were you when Syria got fucked? Where were you when China massared the Uyghurs? Where were you when Sudan got fucked up? Nowhere because you're and ignorant poser westerner or a spineless malicious actor who has to act covert in order to promote your dogshit malignant views.
>>28980572>EU could half the price of gasoline tomorrow just by changing how they tax it.They're more likely to do the opposite. EU should no longer bind itself to energy sources outside its control. Both the Ukraine and Iran wars made that a bitter reminder. EU needs to hasten its electrification dramatically. They're way too slow. Still too reliant on Russian gas and ME oil. EU has too little ambition for independence.
This little lamb of God will not be tempted, ElectroSatan.
>>28980182>>28980195It's weird seeing the japanese be in a similar position the big three american car manufacturers were in the 1970s. refusing to adapt and assuming what sold for decades before would still sell. they were kinda right for awhile. even in the 1970s, the best selling cars were still american boats. but refusing to adapt eventually caught up to them. now Japan is in a similar position. they're trying to ignore EVs while the rest of the world isn't and they're going to eventually start bleeding marketshare. even more so if Europe starts heavily taxing ICE forcing people into EVs. they'll abandon japanese cars entirely because they have no viable EV options. GM knows EV adoption is on the horizon, so they spent a shit ton of money making BEV platforms. some of which Honda is using to make their own EVs just to have in their back pocket for when shit hits the fan. Toyota is resisting this and it'll eventually bite them in the ass. VW thought they were too big to fail with their diesel shit until dieselgate happened and destroyed the entire diesel empire they had been shilling for more than half a century. it'll happen to Toyota, too. china will flood all of these developing countries with EVs and there will be a mass exodus from ICE to EV vehicles as countries give incentives for renewable energy. It may seem implausible now, but give it a decade or two. toyota will start eating shit hard.Just like the big three american car companies.Just like the european car companies are now.It's Japan's turn to fail and rebuild.
What was the cruise control easy low effort engagement bait on /o/ before this ev vs ice faggotry?
>>28980620the low effort engagement bait is redditors coming here to complain about trucks. at least EV vs ICE leads to interesting discussion. not just people projecting their cuckoldry obsession and psychological issues onto others for driving a vehicle they don't like. we're actually discussing how the industry might unfold.
>>28980620I'm guessing diesel vs petrol or BMW vs Everyone Else.
>>28980624Is this really interesting discussion?
>>28980634compared to talking about dicks and projecting psychological issues onto people (mindless shit flinging). yes. anything is better than another anti truck thread. even misty poster posting about misty driving a dodge magnum is a more interesting discussion than the exact same anti truck thread made by the exact same group of redditors projecting the exact same way.
Anti truck threads will remain so long as stupid truck drivers remain. Sorry Jimbo.
>>28980640you should be championing for the banning of ICE, then. you won''t see those pesky F150s when everyone drives an EV.
The same people who shill EVs also shill LLMs and make the same threads about both. You know the type, resentful, sees his failures as failures of the world, desperate for "the great equalizer" where skill or knowledge is no longer necessary (he lacks both). Very odd group of losers.
>>28980645I agree with you, but that great equalizer is still coming when the world economy shits itself.
>>28980620lolpushrodslolleaf springs
>>28980650like a jeet
>>28980645My thoughts exactly.
>>28980677>he purchased a chevy and calls others stupid
>>28980679>he assumes I own an EV or a ChevyAnother stupid NIGGER!
>>28980682It literally says in the repair "Chevrolet"
>>28980683Yes, ConstantHeadachesEveryValveRattlesOilLeaksEveryTimealsoExcrementVaginally
>>28980687Hell yeah! EV owners are extreme pussy fuckers!
>>28980689>pussy
>>28980642>ban gas trucks so EVs that weigh even more than a Super Duty or 2500 can populate the roads
>>28980677Let me guess, a filthy j*nnie lost xer shit
>>28980620M3/Mustang threadsTripfag threadslap time threadsGT-R/Corvette threadsAll were cancer so don't go thinking it was any more pleasant in years past.t. someone here forever
>>28980697>complaining about vehicle weight when everyone's driving pickups
>>28980560The government didn't know the location of the attack, only that the Japanese were preparing one but didn't even know if the United States was the intended target. Additionally, going off the philosophy at the start of the war battleships were much more valued where aircraft carriers were viewed as support vessels. As the war went on this view changed, however if US naval command was going to sacrifice ships they would have left the aircraft carriers in port
>>28980701those were all better than anti truck threads. way more effort in the jokes and banter than just going "lol penis" "lol debt". people would make hand crafted memes for corvette vs GTR that had sovl compared to what we get now.you can tell that the anti truck guys are from reddit. not a single clever or original post by them. just the same shit repeated over and over in every thread a truck is brought up.
>>28980687My chevy has problems but it's not those specifically
I dont care about any of this buuuuullshitAnd neither should youI just want to drive my slow japanese manual at night while listening to classic rock
>>28980420Because none of them own a garage and their entire society is based around public transit. They have to get proof showing they have a parking spot before even being able to register one. Its why the nips shill hydrogen so badly its the only way they could keep their existing infrastructure going while shifting off gasoline cars. Tldr theyre retarded and peaked in 2005.>>28980449>not an argument
Youd have more of a leg to stand on without your trip
>>28980752Put your trip back on so I know which one of you faggots is behind it.
>>28980162HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
EVs will bring cute fun cars back!
>>28980162Toyota had to shitcan this retard because they were falling behind so hard on EVs. This is why recently Toyota's been putting out actual EVs out there.
>>28980832Yeah, but why couldn't this designated parking spot be equipped with a charger?If this a public garage, it's probably easier than if everyone parks in the streets.Also fast charging works.
>>28981038>me when i outright lie
>>28980527So how much is a ev battery replacement, you pick the car
>>28980514It's always truly baffled me to hear that argument from rural people where I grew up. It's sunny, windy and hot eight months of the year, you have a house with a 2 car garage and a detached 3 car garage. Why the fuck would you not put up some solar panels or a little turbine and enjoy?
>>28981292the payoff period is decades unless you live in the southwest.oh and you have to pay someone 3 grand or so to take the panels off of your roof when you get it replaced after 25 years, further increasing the payoff period
>>28980583>ooga booga bix nood mup de dolol shut the fuck tayquandarius
>>28981280$0. Cause it's covered under warranty.
>>28981292Like that other anon said, the payoff is in decades, and the panels only last about 10 to 15, even less if you live in an area with regular tornados and hail. Solar panels are also useless in the winter, too. Even if you get out there and shovel/brush it off there's much less daylight, and much more cloud cover.
>>2898131810 to 15 years*
>>28980172you vill enrich the oil sheikhs to drive your pod places and you vill be happy
>>28980523This is the epitome of humiliation ritual. Complete submission to his American slavers.
>>28980577>why would they move away from electrification because the situation is not so malthusian as leadership sentiment supposes estimates of chinese population in 2100 are as low as 300 million, with declining population and increasing industrial capability, there's more than enough to go around i would also say the this is specifically about the carpopulation continues to agglomerate, and if you live somewhere dense, you often have no car, so the question of electric vs ICE is moot. so why would governments bother forcing the inconvenience on people who do not live in dense areas? as for mobility in general, I think electric offers a lot of advantages and is probably the choice for most people who live and remain in dense population centers. it just comes in the form of bicycles and scooters, instead of cars.
>>28981503what are you babbling about? money that oil-poor countries aren't spending on oil is money that circulates internally. stop posting.
>>28981280>a ev
>>28981339EVs mean less dependence on middle east and less power to Israel. it's a win win
>>28981090Think of it this way. You're a Japanese man renting an apartment. Your apartment complex says they're going to install ev chargers. Great, but you dont own an ev so now your condo fees go up for no reason. You're going to be pissed off about that especially when 80% of the people in your building dont even own a car.Let's say you do own an ev, great, but now you have to pay the condo for electricity or it gets lumped into everyone's condo fees or you pay the ev charger company who backcharges the condo Corp or... so who owns the chargers? Who owns the maintenence? Its just a logistical nightmare. And its the same globally. Generally ev adoption is really poor in urban-dense places because ev charging is shit. Homeowners can just slap an ev charger on the side of their house or in the garage and call it a day, but rentlets need landlord permission, need to sort out whose paying for it etc etc. Its just easier to not put an ev charger in.
The abject insanity of posting about EVs for over ten years to then pat yourself on the back and say "see I told you so!" at any opportunity that the statistics can be glazed.This is the behavior of a deeply insecure person.
>>28981517We should take it all the way, and just ban all imports, so money can only circulate internally.
>>28981619The solution is making public charging fast and cheap enough to make it on par with filling up the tank. I think we're about five years away from that. 800V cars already charge 500km in mere 20 minutes. It's just going to get faster and faster.
>>28981631Within reason, yes. Somethings can't be replaced or replaced efficiently, it is what it is. But to the extent it is possible, yes imports should be reduced.
>>28981656I think a bigger problem is most of the population can't afford a new car, regardless of what power train it is using.
Any arguments as to why I think ICE should stay dominant can be written off by market trends due to technical ignorance. EVs are solid appliances provided: >You own your means of charging>Plan on getting a new one before requiring battery replacement>Aren't traveling over half capacity in a day>Standardized public charger connections >Public utilities invest in nuclear to increase capacity for energy source offset >Battery tech can handle the extreme rapid charge without over heating or damaging cells I'd constantly make the argument that you can keep your ICE running at day 1 capacity for a decade, but the average person wants to trade up every 5 or so years so what battery capacity matter.
>>28981656Sure, but then you need to upgrade the public infrastructure to be able to do that. Current utility lines and power grids can't handle that. And who is going to fund that when the majority of the population doesn't own a car in japan? Politicians aren't going to push for more people to pay more taxes to fund something the minority of people are going to use. The reality is that Japanese companies make cars for a very small sub-section of the population in Japan, and then just sell cars to the rest of the world that these japanese people want. They don't give a flying fuck about the global market, the japanese never have cared.
>>28981663okay, then we agree, and you can see why EV's are silly for countries that ARE swimming in fossil fuels. Although if you take "the EU" and stop adding infinity immigrants they are also one of those places, especially with how low fertility is.
>>28981739It's never "silly". It's like saying if a country has a lot of free space for landfills then they shouldn't bother recycling.
>>28981739EU is not swimming in fossil fuels. It is however swimming in potential sites for renewable energy sources. Solar in the south, hydrogen and wind in the north. And then you add some nuclear energy sites to balance the grid for reliability. Then you have a self-sustaining diverse energy grid that isn't reliant on some orange pedophile's daily chimpouts. The investments in electricity are far overdue. Us relying so long on petrol is a black stain on human history. We have better alternatives, we just choose not to commit because there is little political gain for long-term projects that pay off not in terms of one or two years but in terms of one or two decades.
>>28981760wdyt the population of the EU is projected to be in 2050 without any immigration? Utter population collapse. It is swimming in fossil fuels.
>>28981739No, I don't agree. Adding to energy supply is always beneficial for the consumer. Now if you are in a Muslim country with nationalized oil, maybe the other tradeoffs are worth it.But in a "Western" capitalist-occupied country in which your "nation's" resources do not belong to the nation but rather to private owners who feed you propaganda that their gains are also your gains as you consume their product with limited options at global prices, then you have to think differently.The broader potential for sources of electricity generation, the potential ability to decentralize that production, the reduced maintenance costs, lower "fueling" costs, all tip in favor of electric. The oil company's resources and assets are not your assets and resources. Your household is a net oil importer.
>>28981770we're just talking passed each otheri already said i think electrics are good for many people obviously there are advantages in having diversification in the spacemy point is given the demographic realities and the amount of resources we have access to, the heavy hand of government in the development of electric cars (specifically cars) is clearly not necessary, and will not last for much longer. So as I said many posts ago, calling our current era the ICE SWAN SONG, implying that ICE vehicles are going the way of the steam engine, is very silly.
>>28981772Government's create the money. They always have a role in development of any industry.
>>28981772Governments have done far more to protect petrol cars than EVs.
>>28981774Yes and its occassionally necessary. Not here though. >>28981787Delulupic unrelated
>>28981803>Yes and its occassionally necessary. Not here though.Who are you to declare/assert this? If it saves American citizens money that could be applied somewhere else, or saves American citizens labor hours that could be applied somewhere else, and if it eliminates some portion of the trade imbalance (because despite assertions to the contrary, we are not self-sufficient in oil consumption), then it's a good thing.Oil companies =/= nation. It's really not complicated. Get me that nationalized price and maybe you'll get a crumb out me.
>>28980549So if pearl harbor was full of lies then the american government rightfully becomes the world conquering bad guys?https://files.catbox.moe/l3ia3r.pdfOops just leaving this here.
>>28980162Really? I don't know a single person who switch to a BEV appliance. I see them around but do not know anyone who owns one.
>>28980162BS. Honda just had to write off billions because the tide shifted away from BEV after Trump won.
>>28981867And then the israeli puppet started a war of choice and doubled fuel prices almost overnight. It's not an acceptable situation.
>>28981313>>28981318>>28981322WHO paid you to spew this bullshit?>32-year-old solar panels in the Phébus 1 plant in Lyon, France’s oldest grid-connected PV system, are still going strong. Recent tests done by the French photovoltaics group Hespul showed that the panels installed in 1992 still operate at an astonishing 79.5% efficiency.
>>28981926>WHO paid you to spew this bullshit?It's not hard to figure out. Who stands to get saddled with a bunch of stranded assets?
>>28981926that does not address the point
>>28981899>doubled50% increase, not doubled.
>>28980162just do a porsche; sell ev slop for the masses to bankroll your actual cool and fun cars
>>28980162The future is lithium mining with toxic reservoirs that probably kill more birds in one week than a year of wind mills, CHUD!
>>28981926>he thinks panels built in Europe in the 90's are the same as the chinkshit panels on the market today(and no, Euro/American panels are NOT made domestically anymore either, they're made out of the same chinkshit components chinese panels are made out of)>he thinks the french government who has lied about a whole host of other shit wouldn't lie about this too>he thinks this disproves what I said.
>>28981926>High quality panels from 30 years ago last.The new panels don't. I worked for Swinerton solar in collage.All I did was replace broken panels.Some were less than 1yr old.California solar is basically a giant Jew scam.
>>28981867They cancelled their EVs outright. They were never put on sale. Maybe because Honda realized the compeition was stiffer than expected with small profit margins if any at all.
>>28982262>it's all lies and cheats because I said so!!!Petrol sniffers are a cult now.
Amerimutts and jeets are the same level of hopelessly addicted to inhaling toxic gases and getting a kick out of it. For mutts they do and say whatever their orange pedo in chief tells them to. The most ignorant and bloodthirsty group of people in human history.
>>28982423>can't argue with what I said>makes up a strawman in his head and argues with that insteadI accept your consession, you stupid fucking nigger.
>>28980162They aren't mutually exclusive. You can have an ICE car that you enjoy to drive, and an EV to pick up your wife's grown son from his adult karate classes.
>>28982234Yes do what Porsche did. After all 2025 was such a strong year for them
>>28982494>it will all break down....BECAUSE I SAID SO OK?!?!?!Riveting argument chap.
>>28980162They should make more hydrogen fuel cell vehicles like the Mirai. I'm tired of cars that make fart noises and stink. ICE exhaust is turning kids gay.
>>28982796Hydrogen is a dead end. Electric is the natural end point for automobiles.
>more Chinese bullshit from Twitter
>>28982428I don't think our grid could handle everybody switching to EVs
>>28982881But it can handle a billion AI datacenters that do fuck all.
>>28982428>Teenie tiny little chinkoid even speaking out about pollutionYou eat food thats been cooked in the gutter, plastic, and paint
>>28982915>>28982863Is the Chinese in the room with us?
>>28982923Probably. They're country is extremely pathetic and full of subhumans, hence the reason why they have to send out so many spies to steal IPs or release deadly toxins
>>28982934>They're countrySaaaaaar
Hol up, let me fill up my freedom petrol tank! Nothing screams FUCK GUBMINT as much as waiting in the cuck line for 3 hours for the government mandated petrol to open up.
>>28983099it's actually wild we let this industry convince us this was a good idea for 100 years.
>>28983099>>28983125Are these bots pretending to be American or European? I cant tell
