>For Classics made from 1979 or older, with few exceptions.>Everybody has their own taste, but some tastes are wrong. If you aren't sure if your car is classic or not, it's not.>Your Honda Miata doesn't belong here.>US, Euro, Jap, or whatever.>Post your classic, your work on it, your hackery, and get advice.>Any and all discussion about classics welcome, but may not necessarily generate responses; don't get butthurt.>Period correct performance > cosmetics.>Metal > plastic.>Classic shitbox > modern shitbox.>JBweld and RTV can fix anything>If you see rust there is more.>Rust and bodywork are the most difficult thing to repair.>Electrical work is difficult until you stop reading forum posts and buy a multi-meter.>Low oil pressure? Worn mains and rod bearings. Use Lucas and 15W40 until you afford a rebuild.>Do NOT buy a classic and plan to pay someone to work on it. You need to be able to do 90% or more of the work or you will go broke.>You will spend twice your budget, unless you have years of experience. If the salty old hands agree, it's true.>If you can't tune a carb you might literally be retarded>Nothing is as easy as it seemsPrevious thread: >>28939548
>>28981135Forgot the subject line. Delete and try again.
>>28981137i KNOW. oH WELL. idc TO DO IT, IF YOU DO, i'LL BUMP YOUR THREAD. jUST LINK IT, LAD.
>>28981137Cant delete OPs
>>28981149Oh really? Thought you could.
>>28981141>, just scaled up about 30x because they're out of trains.based EMD traction motor repair-er
>79 or older>exceptions made for body styles that originated before the cutoff but carried over into the 80sWell I have an '85 but its body style started in '80 and thats only 1 year past '79 so it's good right guys?Right?Just kidding.Watching a CHP chase in L.A. DUI suspect doing 100+ mph on the freeway.Last couple chases I've seen ended rather uneventfully but this guy is a little erratic so they might spike strip or pit maneuver his ass.
>>28981157Was his car from 1979 or older? If not, FUCK OFF.
>>28981152You can delete the image in OP but not the thread.Because that would delete other people's posts and only jannies can do that (for free!!).Might be able to delete if no replies have been made but we're written in stone now.
>>28981159Well the '80 model could be purchased in December of '79 and my '85 is just like the '80....
>>28981163POAST RX-7 NAO
>>28981166Makes me wonder how many vehicles fit into my narrative.Its not an RX-7
>>28981157Eh I’ve thrown tons of spikes it’s not as dramatic as it is in the movies, idk if LAPD policy allows for pits they’re pretty libshit
>>28981188GREASE IT, BOYS. IT'S THE FUZZ
>>28981188CHP ia still controlled by superiors from the Reagan administration. They dont give a flying fuck about the current political climate of California.
>watching air cooled vw engine build video>get to cylinder head torque sequence >23ftlbsWow, very light. I guess that makes sense considering the material.
>>28981265
>>28981157>panther platform introduced in 1978 for the 1979 model yearSo a 2011 crown victoria technically belongs here right
>>28981690And this is why the cutoff should be pre-74.Dont care how much of a following the panther has.Dont care if its a great platform.Dont care if it qualifies for "classic" registration (that can be revoked- which means its only recognized as a classic for tax revenue).The pre-74 was changed up to 79 because of some faggot crybaby that wanted his '78 shitbox included.Vintage =/= Classic.Age does not a classic make.If it wasnt a classic 10 years ago then its not magically a classic now. Its not based on some rolling clock like smog and everybyear a new flavor gets added.Classic was an era.That era ended.The book was closed.
>>28981135>square headlightsREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>28981149Then be the first one to figure out how
Neighbor has a stepside hes parting out.Bed is clean.My style side (fleet side) bed is smashed but I have donor panels to to patch it, just havent gotten around to cutting them all up.So now im debating if I just want to go with the stepside.Not sure if I want another stepside though.
>>28981897You do it by making fun of jannies
Aaaaaaaay my bolts arrived a day early. Installed my diff cover today gonna let it dry overnight and tomorrow fill the diff and reinstall the brakes. Shits gonna look hilarious with this off-road diff cover on a muscle car
>>28981786hey buddy, if you haven't reflected upon the last hundred threads, let me sum it up for you; no one gives a shit
>>28982279NICE
>>28982280>t. Drives an '84 "classic".
>>28981149>>28981152>>28981160You can delete OPs, its either a 1 or 10 min wait, I think.The thread had just started, so what if two people posted? Now the general is ruined for how many weeks it stays up, because OP is a dumbass that can't 4chan.Stupid tourist phone posters.
>>28981786>Classic was an era.>It was a feeeeling, maaaaaaanYou sound like a gatekeeping boomer. Shut the fuck up.
>>28981786>Age does not a classic make.It literally does, you retard
>>28982672yeah and limp bizkit is classic rock
>>28982677>yeah and limp bizkit is classic rockthe fundamental definition of classic is anything a at least a quarter century old. Doesn't matter what your retarded brain feels classic means
>>28982672>t. 1.2 GPA in high school english>>28982686>a quarter century oldThats a bureaucratic label. If classic "status" can be revoked then its not a physical trait and is nothing more than political fanfare.
>>28982727>Thats a bureaucratic label.the passage of time is a bureaucratic constructlmao
>>28982770Post definitions from an actual dictionary you illiterate bittom feeder.1
I dont see any mention of "25 years old" in any reference material concerning the English language.Im fact, theres no mention of anything like "at a certain age (thing) becomes a classic".
>>28982800>For Registration & Historic Plates (State DMVs)State Departments of Motor Vehicles (DMVs) use the term primarily for license plate classifications. Requirements usually dictate that the vehicle must:Be 20 to 25 years old or older.Retain its original design and specifications.Have strict limitations placed on its usage (e.g., restricted to car shows, parades, or occasional weekend drives, rather than daily commuting).heres the legal definition as it relates to cars, literally more potent than your interpretation of general word definitions
>>28982812I like how you post a broad generalization of the word "classic" to counter my correct definition as it relates to cars when your own definition would include cars like pic related which we both know is not correctyou really are a stupid person
>>28982818So it might be "a classic" in one state because its 20 years old but not in another state because it has to be 25 by their regulation.You just proved my point that its political fanfare and nothing more.Thanks for backing me up, I appreciate it.>>28982827>my correct definitionYa sure- because you know more about the english language than Mirriam-Webster....Visions of grandiose much (?)Youre mentally ill.
>>28982852>So it might be "a classic" in one state because its 20 years old but not in another state because it has to be 25 by their regulation.the general definition is a quarter century, 25 years. you think you got a point splitting hairs by 5 years in some hypothetical divergence?>Ya sure- because you know more about the english language than Mirriam-Webster....hey retard, do you know how to read? I already addressed it. pic related is a classic car coming out next year according to YOUR definition like a typical dumb person, you double downlol
>>28981159Classic is anything 40 years old so anything 1986 and before is good nowstop being a boomer retard.
>>28982859>hey guys!! I just got a classic so ill be posting it in /ccg/ now.>sorry guys, I moved to a different state and its not a classic now so ill be back in 5 years when's its a classic again.Fucking dipshit.You cant grasp the simple concept that a "classic" is something specific. Its not synonymous with "vintage".We had to remove standardized testing for your generation because youre a bunch of retards.You fail at understanding your own native language.Pathetic.Everything you've stated is your fucking OPINION.I've posted actual definitions as defined by linguistic professors and doctorates.I guarantee you use the words "mid" and "sus" in casual conversation. You're a product of The Dumbing Down of Society.You should be trying to better yourself and understand WHY youre wrong.But here you are....
On today's episode of "I know what I got"~https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/800167928071
>>28982859>>28982981Just fuck already!
>>28983140Why dont you bend over and we can take turns pounding your little bitch ass then we'll get back to our argument.
Classic is obviously subjective, who cares if its a 1975, 1985, 1995, as long as people are postan and wrenchan what's the fukken problem
I went to the junkyard today, and got a couple of goodies. A second pair of rear caliper brackets to split up the middle and have a drift brake. I also saw some kind of 62 Chrysler and a 60s Cadillac. Those are the only two classics that were there, I think. The caddy had a brand new champion radiator that I pulled but left behind and an aftermarket A/C setup. i think. frigidaire is aftermarket, right?>>28983066To be fair, that's in Euroland.
a rare truck that showed up local is going to slip through my hands because i'm going on vacation
>>28983311CANCEL IT. WE NEED A NEW TRUCK
Fucking kikes have no sense of humor
>>28983315i sneed it
>>28983336FUUUUUUUCK
>>28983333CHECKED
>>28982315would be mildly concerning if it was liquid
>>28983336If its just a weekend trip cancel it. Fuck your mom, your dad, your friends, whoever
>>28983378seller is away currently and when he's available i'll be 800 miles away at a beach cabin for 2 weeks. life is gay sometimes1 ownerdoesn't run though, and he's asking a lot needs rust repair in at least 5 locations, probably 7+
>begin an 800 mile road trip in my old bus towing my crown vic>trip starts off well, making good time>crossing through the Alleghenies at night, old girl is chugging up the mountains with ease>the lower radiator hose that looked "good enough" before I left that I was going to replace when I got to my destination decides to explode>dumps an ocean of coolant on the highway>cant see the water loss since its happening 40 feet behind me at night>water dumped out so fast that the temp gauge didn't move much, didn't think anything was wrong>look back in mirror, see sparks and flames coming out of the tailpipe>fuckme.png>pull over to assess damage>engine got so hot that the paint on the water manifold was on fire>Detroits HATE to be overheated, head rings are definitely smoked and the head is definitely cracked>limp to service station, spend the night, swap in new hoses next morning>now when it fires up, there's so much compression in the water jacket that it blows the water straight back out of the radiator>still 600 miles from my destination>it's somehow still running>fuck it, we ball>keep chugging along, stopping every 20 miles to add 10+ gallons of water >drop off my car at a friend's house along the way to lighten the load>3 day trip has become a 6 day trip>get within 100 miles of my destination>engine wheezes out her last breath and locks up as soon as I pull over>she made it far enough that getting a wrecker tow to my shop was a viable option>now she's getting a turbo engine swapped inThe old engine died a heros death and I'm extremely impressed that she suffered through 500 miles of severe torture before throwing in the towel. I wanted to upgrade the motor anyways, so at least I have a good excuse now, kek.
>>28983385I cant think of any trucks that are worth dealing with your description.
>>28983374hehe
>>28983401>>the lower radiator hose that looked "good enough"Rookie mistake.
>>28983401whoa
>>28983403the Ford highboy market is insane.restomod companies are buying every single crewcab and selling them for $250k
>>28983407Complacency is killer, kek. I gave it the ol squeeze, she seemed pliable enough and I was busy with other prep projects. Figured I'd take care of it later. Learn from my retardation bros, make sure your rubber is up to snuff before sending it, haha. There won't be a single peice of un-replaced hose on the new engine.
>>28983401jesus christ. legendary story.though i don't understand >water dumped out so fast that the temp gauge didn't move much
>>28983423oh like there wasn't any water even touching it to register in the gauge, i get it
>>28983403Dentsides are cool though, and worth saving. Repop panels for them are so good now that rust repair is pretty trivial. I got all new taiwanese bedsides for mine for like $800 all in and just swapped out all the rusty shit in a weekend. I'm pretty sure you can get all new cab corners and rockers now too. >>28983423The temp pickup doesn't read hot air as well as it reads hot water, so when all the water poured out fast and left the pickup dry, the gauge didnt move much since it wasn't submerged. Temp started rising a little bit, which I expected for going up a hill, but by the time it got to the point where I was concerned, the head was already going nuclear.>legendary story. Kek, thanks m8.
>>28983434A company has the factory ford tooling and is making reproduction parts.$500 for a tailgate, $900 for a door.68-72 (67 has different interior door handles) and 73-79 doors. 73-79 tailgates only (Ford service bulletin said to use later tailgate on bumpsides, they are identical other than the font)
>>28983440what company
>>28983441Never figured out the manufacturer, everyone seems to have the same part though.Just checked cjpony and they actually have the proper 67-72 tailgate. I couldn't find one last time I was looking. Either its a relatively new product or I just got tired of links before.Both say original tooling, one says for authorized.
>>28983461Earlier model.
>>28983463Tailgate included to show difference since.l it didnt all fit on last screenshot.
Alright.Now I have a quandary.I picked up a bumpside tailgate tjat needs a little work but im wondering it a dentaide tailgate would look better.Bumpside with correct tailgate
>>28983471Bumpside with a dentside tailgate.
>>28983472Dentside with a dentside tailgate.
>>28983479Dentside with bumpside tailgate (best i coild find)
>>28983482Good luck finding one of these.
>>28983407did that with my fuel lines...rip
>>28983423Happened to me in my 90's Cadillac last April. The cooling fan threw a bearing and ate the rad on my way home. I barely saw the temp move before it dumped two gallons of coolant on the side of the road. I got lucky and had the digital "Hot coolant" warning to know to pull over immediately. It was a fucking brand new radiator too since the old one was leaking and I replaced it in February. Fucking nuts.Oh, and in March the alternator bracket bolt sheared on my old vette so the accessory belt ate through the upper radiator hose on the way to work. That was fun to fix in the parking lot. It did make me replace all my rubber after that. Then the galley plug started leaking on the carb. I love that old bitch but I wish the previous owners had taken better care of her. Motherfuckers RTV'd the hubcaps to the wheels and I never knew until I needed to put new tires on it.
>>28983333Tell it you are a Jewish student doing a research project about anti semitism and you need the image for a presentation.
>>28981155yeah. its alright, pays the bills and then some. I'd like to leave even though I only started in december but the pay is good enough that I don't at the same time
>>28983684You at NRE or Larry’s or MPI?
>>28983591The Edsel?
>>28983819huh?
>>28983819no my dodge
>>28984119Not that guy, but laseranon above(the guy posting about his Flxible bus above) hadf an 1959 Edsel Villager 9 passenger wagon that burned to the ground a couple of years ago due to an issue I can't remember, but surely he'll chime in and tell us.Also, how's the swap going on the bus, lad?
>>28984228Edsel was on the highway and iirc blew a tire which took out the fuel line going from the tank to the frame rail which ignited off the exhaust and engulfed it before he had a chance to even try to fight it.
>>28984228>>28984246Yeah, I hit a peice of scrap on the highway and the fuel line coming from the tank nearby got torn out when the tire blew. Take the time to make sure your fuel lines are sheilded, lol, apparently I'm slow and have to learn my lessons the hard way. When I pulled over and got out there was already a puddle of gas on fire under the tank and I had just filled up. Everything happens for a reason. If I still had that car, I probably wouldn't have bought the bus, so bright side to everything I guess. Still miss that thing though and Im devistated it got destroyed, it was a sick car. Bus swap is going well! Just getting measurements for all the parts I have to order, can't just look in a catalog. The swap is going to be more challenging than expected since the new engine has the intake and supercharger on the opposite side from my old engine, which is less than ideal for the packaging in my bus. And the rear motor mounts on the new engine are really different, so I'll need to build some risers to make it work. I don't think it will be too challenging though, other than wrestling around a motor that weighs 2,500lbs.
>>28984228I got a new wagon to fill the hole in my heart left by the edsel. It's not quite a "classic," but it's pretending to be.
About to use this special wrench to take some seat bolts out.
I made a fuel tank vent line today. There was a failure almost every step of the way, and it was such a simple thing. >return line fitting snapped off into the tank>stainless line split when flairing>my line isn't bent anywhere near where I wantedBUT it will work. I also started work on setting up the sending unit for a return line, but I realized that a bulkhead fitting would probably work better just like it would have for the vent.
my uncle has a 83 corvette behind his house he'll let me have it if i fix it up. how hard would this be to do? im afraid its really rusty from sitting and being from up north
>>28984246>>28984342oooh shit i remember that. RIP>>28984535not gonna go with nicopp? expensive, but i think cheaper than stainless, never rusts and much, much easier to bend. just note that if you use one of those on-vehicle flaring tools, you need to make sure the tube isn't actually at the alignment mark/touching the alignment/stopper bolt. pull it back ~2mm from that, depending on how well the bubble flare turns out. regular zinc-coated steel lines won't have this problem.
>>28983434where did you even find this? why would you even want a bus?
>>28984357Does it have a cleveland?
>>28984588You're totally right on the stainless. I was going to use it for tigging the return line into the sending unit flange thing, but I think I'm going to try a bulkhead fitting first. I figured I would test it out with something non-critical or pressurized. It actually wasn't too bad to bend, and I did it out of the car. I have one of those bench top eastwood knock off flaring tools, but I was using one of the hand ones. Thanks for the tip; I was actually wondering how far it should protrude before flairing.I have some nicopp for when I actually do my fuel lines and brakes. It definitely didn't need the stainless, but I wanted some practice.
>>28984612>I was going to use it for tigging the return line into the sending unit flange thingYou could probably get away with JB welding a barb onto it to stick a rubber hose on.
>>28984620I thought about that too. If the bulkhead fitting doesn't seal, I'll probably do that. Sometimes, I overthink and complicate things. I'm going to be using an EFI pressure pump, and I just wanted to do AN lines all the way. But the return line has much lower pressure, right? Also, when bending up fuel lines, do you start at one end and work your way to the other end point? Should I straighten the whole coil of nicopp first?
>>28983819lol and it finally clicked for me what you meant by that. no, mine was me replacing a hose on the main fuel line going from the sender to the engine and touching, but not bothering with the rest because yeah they were old but they're still holding up (lol)>5 pm, home time>head out to parking lot>smell fuel emanating from my car, like an invisible aura>deeply goncerned, look underneath>massive puddle of fuel dripping from the tank, fml>the fuel actually ate away at the asphalt layer, there was a little pit/hole in the ground the size of my pinky where the fuel was directly dripping on to>leak is at the fuel sender gasket, fuuuuuuck>can't fill up tank more than halfway for about a week or so until new gasket arrives>also noticed one of the vent hoses was leaking as wellguarantee you me touching them disturbed their natural balance. thankfully taking off the sender lock ring was way easier than i thought it'd be and it's all good now.I do want to get a fuel filter with vapor return and plumb a return line into the tank though. should make hot starts easier.>>28984629Ahh right, an EFI return line will have minimal pressure, probably no more than a few psi, but any nicopp line (and EFI rated hose) will easily cope with it.I've never done fuel lines, but when I did my brake lines I straightened whatever length of tube I needed before bending it to shape.
>>28984648Roger that. Thanks, bro.
>>28984594someone's gotta pick up the busriders
yay, new aluminium rad, no more overheating on the highwayhad to drill extra holes for the upper bolts and extend the notches for the lower ones, but otherwise it works great>>28984661np and good luck. if you want the nicopp lines to look very nice, use a pair of tube straightening pliers. The roller style tube straighteners don't make it completely straight, just straight enough for you to be able to work with it better. The pliers would be a finishing touch sort of thing if you just want to make it look great like in your initial pic.
>>28984703I seem to be having the opposite issue. Cold case 2 row with 2 1400 cfm fans in the nova. Idled it for 20ish minutes and it slowly crept up to 204. I timed it with my phone it was around 22 minutes and some change. Both fans were on. I have an external trans cooler that’s the same length and width as the radiator (obviously just skinny though) and no in-radiator cooler so I suspect the problem is inadequate airflow at idle because of the restriction from the cooler. My buddies tell me not to worry about it, since at cruise the temps going to drop but it’s still on the back of my mind. If did take it for a short drive after shutting it down for 20 minutes though and the temp was around 190 and holding but I don’t wanna be worried about getting stuck in traffic every time I drive this car
>>28984841do you have a fan shroud? that might improve things.mind you back then, it was considered normal for it to get a bit warmer at idle, the manual said to just shift to neutral and rev the engine a bit to get the fan spinning.But since you have electric fans that probably won't work so it may be worth using a shroud if not already present. I know chrysler cars with AC would have a shroud due to the condenser, it was needed so the fan could suck air through both the rad and condenser at lower speeds, but with non AC cars they didn't bother.Also what's the AFR on your engine at idle? If it's running lean it could be getting too hot.Pic related is the gauge I have in my car, I've no idea what the markings are other than the very bottom being cold, and very top being overheating. But the gauge will stay just above the very bottom when I'm pegged at 70 on the highway, and when I'm in stopped traffic for a really long time, it never seems to get above the next mark. Once the car gets moving, it dips right back down to just above cold although the heater core still seems to put out good heat.
>>28985026Yes it’s got a shroud, pic related. I’d have to check the idle AFR when I get home I don’t remember what I have it set to. I had this exact setup in my Camaro but with a Mishimoto radiator and a pair of fans and shroud off a 4th gen firebird from the junkyard and it never got above like 195-200. Buuuuut that was also a bigger engine bay, a smaller trans cooler in front of the radiator, and smaller headers with ceramic coating. Novas a little smaller and tighter and has full length headers
>>28985044Forgot to add in also not entirely certain it’s really a problem, everything I’ve read online states that temp is pretty normal at idle heat soak I guess I was just spoiled with my Camaro which was cold blooded.
>>28985045yeah probably just old car things. people used to freak out at the temp gauge moving like that so manufacturers just made the needle not move unless it got seriously hot.
>>28983440Know if they have factory toolimg front fenders for bumpsides?
>>28982981>I've posted actual definitions as defined by linguistic professors and doctorates.lol you know you're losing an argument when you fluff off posting basic dictionary definitions like this. also, you own definition counters your own point, which you ignore for the 3rd time.keep self owning yourself
When they reboot supernatural in 10 years with 100% AI generated scenes this will be baby, and I'm not mad.
>>28985091>you own definition counters your own pointQuote it specifically
>>28985130Are you paying me to read your fanfic of you sucking your own dick back to you? No? Fuck off
>>28985157I accept your concession.
>>28985053I set afr to 13.8 at idle and set my timing to 10 degrees initial, 29 all in by 2500, .7 degree retard per lb of boost and 8 inches of unported vac advance. Set idle speed to 800 and verified I now have 18 degrees at idle so that might help take some heat off it I believe before my vacuum advance wasn’t kicking in at idle
I let my brake rotors get rusty from sitting a few years on the ol project, do I need to do something about that beyond driving? How do you keep the hub part that isn't contacting the pads from rusting?
>>28985236One trip around the block and the rust on the portion that the pad contacts will disappear.As for the hub portion- you have to prep and paint with hi-temp paint and ive never seen one that lasts for more than a couple years. Its a losing battle. Accept it or get wheels that cover it completely.
>>28985323Dang, alright thanks.
>>28984602No, it's got a 302w. It'll probably get a 460 at some point, but I can't bring myself to molest it since it only has 10k miles.>>28984594>where did you even find this?On FB marketplace in the Midwest. The story of picking it up was crazier than limping the bus to the shop. I rode my motorcycle 12 hours in a snowstorm last January, got the bus running after it had been sitting for a couple decades, then strapped my (way too heavy) bike to the back of it and drove it home through a storm with no windshield wipers while learning to drive it, kek. It was easily my sketchiest shitbox roadtrip of all time. >why would you even want a bus?Because it's way cooler than a normal rv and also >>28984698
>>28985398How the fuck is an anemic 302 powering this fuckhuge thing. God damn it must get 1mpg.
>>28985466302w is in the Country Squire wagonBus has a detroit diesel iirc.
>>28985466Oh, the bus. No, the bus has a 671 DD in it. Soon to be a 671T from an 80s International. Mated to an unsyncroed 5 speed Spicer. It's about as slow as you would expect it to be. But it will cruise at 70 on the highway and gets ~9mpg.
>throws battery in it and rotates engine with starter>makes awful clunking sounds>thousands of dollars later>oh its blown up how could i have known this!
>>28985858This dude was recently the grand marshall of a classic car parade that was shit.
>>28985864i like cars but man, everyone associated with cars now is stupid as fuck and not always, but usually a complete douche
>>28985044Getting the timing up at idle would certainly help but I also wonder if the thing isn't pulling hot air reflected off of the front of the engine around to the front of the radiator too. Perhaps a Third Gen-style air dam hanging down under the radiator might help.
>>28985883>everyone associated with cars now is stupid as fuckcan confirm, i overtightened my front wheel bearings such that the entire hub got too hot to touch. i'm not a complete douche tho
>>28985920I feel like the the biggest thing is probably the trans cooler it’s planted right in front of the radiator basically pre-heating the air since it’s more or less the same size
>>28981135 C A N Y O N E R O
>>28985970Should we tell him (?)
>>28985970micro tube radiator is what you want
>>28985983I don’t have an in-radiator cooler at all just an external
>>28985984High performance radiators actually have "larger", flattened tubes.It increases the surface area that comes in contact with the air passing throigh the radiator.Air doesnt go "down" inbetween the tubes, just across the top and bottom surface.I have both types, just because I prefer copper/brass in vintage builds and ill run aluminum in something more modern or heavily modified. If you surpass the cooling ability of either ill shake your hand.
>>28986007In-radiator suck because if it gets a leak and water gets into your transmission it will dissolve the glue that holds the friction material to the plates.But if its sized appropriately for the application then there is no performance difference.You see remote coolers for "towing packages" because its cheaper than building a seperate fuckhuge radiator (which may not even fit with the constraints in modern engine bay designs).A seperate cooler is better but theres nothing "wrong" with a shared system.
>>28986018I had a couple cheap shit radiators pop and give me the forbidden strawberry milkshake lol. Not on my cars thank god but yes in tech school they basically told us ethylene glycol eats the friction material right off the clutch packs pretty crazy I saw the aftermath on a Benz I worked on once they looked just like the steel disks
>>28986049I learned this in high school and have gone with multiple people to check out cars they wanted to buy- pulled the trans dipstick, saw rust around the top and just grabbed their arm and took them to the car and left.If theres a leak in the trans cooler coil within the radiator reservoir the pressurized coolant is forced into the trans line. Once in the transmission it boils off and the steam migrates to the highest point- the dipstick tube. Then cools and condenses, on raw steel that was never intenelded to see water so it rusts.
>>28986086I think it was the Lincoln guy a few years ago who had like the freak misfortune of a coolant leak that would wick its way straight into his trans dipstick or something like that it was a real shitty situation that would’ve driven me crazy.My supercharger intake had a leak at the coolant crossover that was dripping into the lifter valley too but the machine shop was able to close it up. Seemed like a factory defect and probably cost me my first motor
>>28986049oh boy...mine is a cheap-ish chinese one lol. paid about 140 bucks for it >>28984703i guess time will tell if the cooler gets compromised. maybe that's the only way to kill a 727.
>>28986092it was 2 separate leaks. the dual cooler rad was swapping fluids and once that was fixed, the thermostat housing leaked backwards under the intake, into the transmission dipstick tube hole.good timesthe only reason the transmission survived was because it has bronze clutch materialcar was running well and no reason to go under the hood. don't even remember how i noticed the 2nd leak now
>>28985948>i'm not a complete douche thoAs far as you know ;)
I went and looked at it. What i thought was drip rail and windshield rust turned out to be moss, and the cab is largely rust free.Were crew cab short bed highboys made in 1974 or has this been chopped? i couldn't see any signs of modification
>>28986813WE GOT A NEW TRUCK
>>28986813I don't think Crew Cab long beds came into being until the bullnose.
>>28986868that can't be right
>>28986874hey you find out being wrong every once in a while. they have CCLB bumpsides, too?
>>28986881i would assume so. so it seems that your opinion is that CCSB highboys are more common than CCLB?
>>28986881CCLB was available starting in '65.
>>28986813>What i thought was drip rail and windshield rust turned out to be moss, and the cab is largely rust free.damn, sounds like a bit of a gem
>>28986813NiceGuy in town has a nearly mint extra cab longbed dentside ive been trying to get forever but he wont let it go.
Pulling the shitty ass ratty ass seats turned into putting in sound insulation turned into pulling the center console turned into refinishing/remaking all the wood trim in the whole car. I’m tired bros.
>>28987474https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W4NFcamRhM
>>28987474
>>28987474But think how nice it will be once you're done.
oh its back, this time it runs and has a title, half price too. think it will sell this time?>>28988033its never done ;)
>>28984357Nice mercury. Does it have the trailer towing pkg or dual exhaust? If so pics plox
>>28988080You're into BDSM, aren't you, Collin? Always messing with Fords even though they fuck you in the ass.
>>28988084im sane enough to scrap this shit instead of having it on marketplace for 3 years
>>28988080Offer $600
>>28988108He's the one selling it, kek
>>28988108i want to see what he asks for it once he gets his crack pipe back, $8500?
>>28984357hell yeah keep us updated
>>28988108>Offer $600Fuck No!He might take it. Then you'd be stuck with...that.
>>28988400It has potential but it would be a long way to get there.Nobody ia going to daily that for work so the utility bed is killing the deal.He'd be better off selling the bed seperate and putting on a factory bed.But thats a lot of effort just to unload a truck you dont want in the first place.
>>28988400lowballers never show up, so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to just... not show up
Behold. I modified the sending unit adding a return line where the vent used to be. In a previous post, I added a vent line to the filler neck. Hopefully this seals properly. I tried to flare the output line, but there wasn't enough space to flare it with the nut on. I'll just have to flare it and have a short segment of hose.
>>28988463actually, can I heat up that 90* bend and straighten it out?
>>28989698Realistically? Probably not without it kinking or tearing. y tho?
>>28989706You're probably right. to have enough space for a tube sleeve/nut and flare
>>28989808you could just bubble flare the line to form a barb for a hose, then use clamps to hold it down. i remember my old camry had about 3 inches of efi hose from the fuel filter to the fuel rails, and it was just held down with two spring clamps. seems like that was enough to keep the pressure of 65 psi from the fuel pump.
>>28989824That's probably what I'll end up doing. Thanks
Thanks for the head gasket guys, really appreciate it.
>>28989944
>>28989944>>28989945
>>28989944>>28989945>>28989948
ordering a head gasket online is peak retard. they barely stay straight at shops.
>>28989965I'm not flying to Germany to buy a head gasket in person
>>28990039Well not with that attitude you arent....
>>28989965do you offer any toppings with that gaslight or is it only plain?
>>28989965if its a reputable seller they'll sandwich it between 2 layers of cardboard and put it in a big box
>>28990273Summit ftw
>>28989965most of the time you can show pictures like anon took to the seller and they will send another or refund you.if they take enough losses eventually theyll go fuckin bankrupt or try harder.
>>28990273I will no longer talk shit about rockauto using a 5 cubic foot box packed with those stupid air pillow things to send a set of spark plugs.
What’s the best way to remove exhaust components without wrecking my shit? Mercedes 450SL, rust free. It’s 50 years old so I’m terrified of snapping bolts.
So I did some serious soul-searching.Looked at every picture available online (twice).And I just cant do it.They never felt "right" but after my little quest im actually a little disgusted by them.So I will not be purchasing my neighbors stepside bed to put on the bumpside.I will instead continue with the original plan and use the donor panels to patch where the tree crushed my bed (before I bought it).
>>28990820Soak with PB Blaster on Monday.Soak with Liquid Wrench on Tuesday.Soak with WD-40 on Wednesday.Soak with PB Blaster on Thursday.Soak with Liquid Wrench on Friday.Buy a map gas torch and 12 pack on Saturday morning.Do not use an impact.
>>28990847>Do not use an impact.but shock loads from an impact are what help break it loose, applying constant force like with a breaker bar is what snaps things
>>28990820come to terms that it might happen and just hop right in
>>28990860Different tools for different applications.Wheel stud with a closed-end lugnut =/= rusty ass exhaust bolt.
>>28990899i've unironically had better outcomes impacting exhaust nuts off than using a breaker bar. had a caliper bleeder snap off when i kept applying more and more pressure till it broke. in hindsight i should've smacked the wrench with a hammer
My car was restored on a shoestring budget in 1989. It's remained in this condition for almost 40 years. The first half of It's life wasn't so kind.
>>28991497>It's remained in this condition for almost 40 yearsHow many miles has it done since then?
>>28991829miles?
>>28992042Yeah, like the funny yellow sidekick of that hedgehog guy.
>>28991497you could spackle and sheetrock a car and it would look fine after half a century in climate control. men drive
>>28992098Thank you for making me feel better.>t. Restored a '66 back in the mid 90s and are going through her again.
>>28992042feet. inches, if you will. millimetres, even.
>>28991829>>28992098My father restored the car when I was young. No idea on how many miles since, he broke the speedo cable early after it was finished. The Muncie transmission not long after, it now has a T10.I get what you guys are saying, but the car was no garage queen. He did store it in winter, but believe me it got used.
>>28992461He's no longer with us, but his black marks remain from the last time he had it at my place, about 3 weeks ago.>I know it's single track, he was fine with it.
Almost ready to first fire the new bus engine. Had to move some parts over from the old engine because there's a few differences between front and rear engine setups as far as the accessories go. Replaced some gaskets that were obviously already toast on the new motor and making sure that every single peice of rubber is new, kek. It'll get painted Detroit green before it goes in.>>28988081Thanks! It does not, its only single exhaust with no tow package. I don't think you were able to option the Colony Park with the tow package. I will put a dual exhaust and trans cooler on it, so I can comfortably tow my Locost on a trailer with it.
>>28993862That alpine green is fucking expensive, but probably not in comparison to bus parts
>>28993961$85 a quart/ $319 a gallon.Not that I would be happy about paying that but a quart will do it.
>>28993961I bought spray cans of alpine green engine enamel, so it was definitely pricier than >>28994043 says. But I'm not at my home shop and don't have my sprayer, so I gotta work with what I've got. It was like $200 all in for paint.>fucking expensive, but probably not in comparison to bus partsI've found that the price of bus parts varies astronomically. Parts bin stuff like the brake drum assemblies, wheels, and engine stuff can be shockingly cheap. I bought brand new brake drums all around for something ridiculous like $100 apiece. The brake shoes were also brand new from fleetpride for like $30 apiece. Insanely cheap for the massive amount of metal there, even cheaper than brakes on my normal vehicles. But odd stuff like the old rotochamber brake actuators, torsion bars, shuttle valves, power steering components, etc. are so expensive that you're generally better off retrofitting parts that are more common. And then the body parts that are Flxible exclusive are nonexistent and you're stuck fabricating them yourself. It all seems to even out. It's not a cheap vehicle to work on, but it's not as expensive as you'd think.
>>28994159>odd stuff like the old rotochamber brake actuators,I was actually curiois about some of that shit.I hope you never have to cage that shit.
My door was having trouble latching all the way so I took out my door latches, washed them in the parts washer, lubed the mechanism with ATF and lithium grease, put them back in and now my door WON’T FUCKING UNLATCH. Tried to do the same to the door stopper and now it’s simultaneously making a grinding noise and a grease squelching noise. I’m so fucking sick and tired of this shit.
>>28994572>*just GM things (tm)
welp, definitely getting aluminium heads now
>>28995859>*just GM things (tm)
>>28994043>$85buddy let me help youamazon()com/dp/B00TY5G1HI
i dove into my volvo's speedometer unit. the previous owner alleged to change the gear in the documentation. he broke the speedometer needle off and filled the motor with superglue. the odometer was actually repaired but for whatever reason it wont work. the motor is good and the mechanism is free. i put the gear in the 2nd odometer so now i at least have something. im tempted to write this kid a letter telling him to never touch a car again
>>28996278>>28994590get yourself a numpad and alt+0153 = ™
>>28996412If you browse 4chinz at any time other than while taking a shit or sitting in the waiting room at the dentist youre a failure as a human.Imagine having free time to sit at a computer with the collective knowledge of the human race at your fingertips and you choose to dig around in this cesspit.
>>28996461>If you browse 4chinz at any time other than while taking a shit or sitting in the waiting room at the dentist youre a failure as a human.>Imagine having free time to sit at a computer with the collective knowledge of the human race at your fingertips and you choose to dig around in this cesspit.
>>28996278sadly, it's a MOPAR OR NO CAR *sips monster*last guy that worked on it apparently used heads and cam from a jensen interceptor for this. needless to say but he didn't check it for cracks lol.oh well. time machines don't exist (yet?) so the only thing I can do is unfuck it. Gonna get me a howards retrofit hydraulic roller cam and lifter kit, 229/235 duration. Just looking for something with a bit more oomph than stock, nothing too crazy. Will get a set of built aluminium heads since bare ones cost pretty much the same for me anyway, might port them as well while we're at it.
>>28996593Do not try to port heads yourself.It's an art that takes practice.Its too easy to burn through to a water jacket and now youre busting out the tig (hopefully you can reach it).And trying to match the flow 8 times is nearly impossible for a novice.If you were doing an oval track car and had stacks of old iron heads to fuck around with- sure. But brand new aluminum heads you just traded a kidney for? Fuck no.Bite the bullet and get the cnc ported heads.
>>28996760oops i should clarify i wasn't actually gonna do it myself - my mate's helping me and i know exactly what it sounds like, but he's been fucking around with engines a lot, lot longer than i have and definitely has ported heads before so i'm letting him do it if i decide to go that route. for now it's just gonna be a "wait-and-see" approach. once i see the heads in person i'll decide if i'm happy with what it already has or decide the porting could be better. mind you i have particularly low standards so it's likely i'm gonna go the former.if we did port we weren't gonna do anything wild, just a nip and a tuck so to speak with dr dremel. dunno if that counts as porting though.
>>28996779Them just pick heads with the flow you need "as cast" and do a port match & polish.Majority of gains on custom buulds are just from Port matching.
>>28996829Got it, thanks. That actually reminds me i definitely gotta port match, the exhaust manifold gasket was perfectly lined up on the head but then against the manifold it was blocking off like 5mm at the bottom edges of the ports...i know casting processes weren't as good back then as they are now but still...damn.
>>28996854Yep.Thats where the powers at.I've seen 50hp gains from nothing more than port matching.But ive also seen some weird shit where people have called me a liar to my face and then they think about it and go "ya, that makes sense..."Ever seen those lame ricer "ground kits" that are a giant octopus of 2ga wire from a massive battery ground terminal to seemingly random spots all over the engine bay?7hp on the dyno (on a WRX STI, your results may vary)Not even joking.Why do they actually fucking work?! (Not on all cars).Because they provide a superior ground plane for modern vehicles that have sensors everywhere that even detect your farts so when the narrow band O2 tells the ecu it sees 0.28v it's actually 0.28v and not 0.29v so the injectors get the proper pulse width (which is also more precise now).
This is all I see everytime I come across this thread in the catalog btw.
>>28996870>Ever seen those lame ricer "ground kits" that are a giant octopus of 2ga wire from a massive battery ground terminal to seemingly random spots all over the engine bay?not till i just looked it up after reading this. that's actually pretty nuts, would never think about it improving power gains in such a roundabout way.
>>28996908I actually feel bad now because with a shitty ground the 0.28v would have reported at 0.27v not 0.29v.Please forgive me /o/, ive had a few beers and am dyslexic (honestly- confirmed in GATE).
Firebird made an 1100mile road trip over the past 4 days. Couldn't be more happy with how the car performed
>>28997018Post pics of the neckbeards and trannies
>>28996873>1998classic status already btw
>>28997339YWNBAC
>>2899751325 this year club
>>28997856Post the dictionary definition of classic and explain to the class how that vehicle qualifies.
>>28997859i dont right the rules bub
>>28997900Still waiting for your answer.
>>28995859locknstitch and a valve seat will fix that rite up
>>28997921aint gon be no answer fool, accept it
>>28997859>serving as a standard of excellence; of recognized valuei find that automobile standardly excellent; i recognize its value. therefore, it be a classic
>>28997929You failed.
>>28997961>ai overview >source: whatever investment firm bullshit ASQ is (not a fukken dictionary)imagine being so useless you can't even use a search engine
>>28997961unphased nigga
>>28997963You shouldnt need someone to explain the term to you.The fact that youre even questioning the definition shows youre a high school dropout and your opinion on anything is worthless.
>>28997925>locknstitchi would do this but instead of trying to chase new threads into the head, behind the valve and up into the exhaust runner, i look at a nice new aluminium head that flows better and is a lot lighter
>>28998009look at this nigga he thinks public school is a real education HAHAHAHAHAA7 trillion more to israel amirite?
>>28998268Now that you've been educated on the matter you should use that new found knowledge on future endeavors.To do otherwise is choosing to remain ignorant.
Yup, pulled the trigger on a GearVendors finally. Now a 6 week waiting game
>>28999068Aaaaaaay kick ass anon let me know how it works out. I used to drive right be their building every single day
I’m so excited to get my shiny new yellow zinc plated bolts in the mail!!!!!!
>>28999086Are you me?Are you talking about between the freeway and Brown's field?Cool as fuck dudes BTW.They just love motorsports and saw a need so created a product.
>>28999098shiny and new?like a virgin (steel), cut for the very first time?
>>28999187It’s over by Gallispie or Gillespie or whatever that airport is and Magnolia. Brown Fields over by the 905 and Otay Mesa and ironically I drive by that all the time now
>>28999642Ya I meant Gillespie
>>28998009I recognize that car as outstanding and exemplary. Therefore, it meets a standard of excellence, defining it as a classic.
>>28999086Yeah I’ll post up the install pics and sheeit. Going on a ‘69 F100 and C6
>>28999806Your opinion doesnt matter though.Yoi can claim that copper is more valuable than gold- that doesnt mean youre getting $4,000 per ounce for that scrap wire you pulled out of an abandoned house.Because gold and copper are already recognized as having specific values.It doesnt matter if you like your shitbox.That doesnt make it a classic.
I like to peepee when I poopoo
>>29000421I used to want them for my 79 Camaro, still kind of curious for my nova since it’s the same powertrain since it’s basically my Camaro wearing a nova skin
>>29000547Why not use a 700r4?
>>29000972>700r4?Not GhostAnon but the 700R's biggest issue in high hp applications is the deep 3.06:1 First gear. Most American automatics have something in the 2.46 range. All that torque multiplication makes launches more problematic but also the wider rpm drop from First to Second is also problematic in the it can drop the rpm out of the power range of a performance engine and doing so even briefly can cost a race (not that I expect GhostAnon does much, given probable age). Then there's the various durability issues the 700 has presented those trying to use them in high hp applications that aren't readily solved.No, the hydraulic 4 speed automatic that GA should want if going that route is the 200-4R. It's been used for decades by the Grand National crowd so its strengths and weaknesses are well known and will survive in 11 second Regals for a couple of seasons in mostly stock form (plastic thrust washer MUST go if it still has one). Their main failure mode presents as an rpm flare going into Third due to insufficient apply pressure allowing clutch slip and resulting wear over time at WOT. One work-around is to run high internal pressures, which works but results in firm, un-Buick-like shifts (can actually make a steel driveshaft ring like a bell on downshifts), and the other is modifying for pressure feed on two channels known a Dual-Feed Direct.
>>29001014Pretty much hit the nail on the head, plus TV cable geometry and adjustment with the supercharger, and I just took everything out of my Camaro and reused it anyways.
>>29001019NtaWhat does the TV in TV cable stand for
>>29001165too expensive
>>29001732i think it's throttle valve
>>29001742trottle valve in the throttle? or the transmission? what exactly does it do? other than burn up your transmission when it fails
>>29001732>>29001762Pretty much just burns up your transmission if you don’t have it setup right. Just off the top of my head it’s a cable, kind of like the kickdown mechanism on the th350, but it also like sets like pressures and whatnot inside the transmission. If it’s not right you can burn up the clutches in a short drive like under 10miles. I had to do a Lokar pedal, cut to fit cable, and bracket just to get my throttle geometry correct with the supercharger and efi, and that’s just a simple cable. I wouldn’t want to fuck with a 700r4 TV cable especially given the 700s shitty gear layout and glass durability. Might as well just run a couple wires and do like a 4l80 or keep my streetfighter
>>29001762TV cable on a gearbox governs line pressure. you don't want too much and you don't want too little, because sooner or later they both end up with the same outcome more or less.
>>29001762As previously noted, TV stands for Throttle Valve and it refers to the throttle which is a valve to allow more or less air, or air/fuel mix if carbureted, into the engine. A TV cable allows for a more accurate indexing of the transmission internal pressures against engine output than the once-common vacuum modulator. Chrysler used a TV Linkage for decades before GM and Ford got around to using TV cables. Having proper internal transmission pressure is important for having appropriately timed shifts with enough pressure to perform that shift in good time. Pressure too low will result in an early and soft shift where the clutches slip too much and burn up due to the heat generated.
>>29001797adding to what that other anon said, pretty much every OEM set the shift points so it'd be a balance between smooth shifts and transmission longevity. You can often adjust it so that it shifts quicker - it feels harsher to the people inside, but it's actually better for the gearbox - to an extent - because it means the clutches spend less time slipping. On a lot of 90s toyotas you can tighten up all the slack in the TV cable to do exactly this.
wowee. reading up on mopar 383 engines the deck clearance varied a lot, "sometimes up to 0.30 inch" so I went to measure mine...it's 0.1 inch kek.With a generous assumption that the stock heads are 75cc, that's a compression ratio of 8.6...realistically it's probably anywhere between 84-90cc, so it's probably closer to 7.6 to 8 lol.Would it be worth milling the new heads I'm getting to bump up compression to something like 9.0, or will the increase in airflow alone make that not worthwhile?
>>29001859Where the fuck are you reading that claims a deck height variance of more than a quarter inch?!Thats straight up bullshit.Intake manifold wouldnt even bolt up.
>>29001949deck clearance, as in the distance between the top of the piston at TDC and the deck of the block. apparently chrysler big blocks could vary wildly and mine just so happened to be 0.1 inch...
mine is the same base for Bigfoot #10i think all the OBS Ford trucks get Classic status because all were Bigfoots
>>29001949>of more than a quarter inchoops. I meant 0.03 inch my bad. And mine was 0.1 inch...but mine wouldn't be the first to have that much distance apparently.
>>29001859>.1 down the bore>head gasket will just make it worseThat'll make for terrible quench characteristics and it'll likely be as sensitive to detonation as a 351M which has the same issue. Ideally you'd get new pistons that have a compression height that gets them poking a thousandth or two above deck with a head chamber size to get you where you want static compression to be and using a cam to get the dynamic compression to something that'll run on pump gas.As for milling the heads, I'm not a fan but you do you. Remember that taking off enough can force you into having the intake milled so the fucking thing will seal. It can also affect pushrod length but I expect you'll need new ones anyway.
>>29002052i was looking at the steel shim gaskets that are 0.018-0.02 thick compressed to keep the compression low, but i'm not sure how they'll cope with aluminium heads and iron block since they expand at different rates.I figured the quench was already meh enough with the stock iron heads, so it couldn't really get any worse with the new ones, especially since the ones i'm looking at have closed chambers while mine are open.Definitely keeping the whole milling intake thing into account too. At this point I'm not sure whether I want to mill the heads. I might just slap them on and use it, then if I'm still not happy I'll just tear down the block and get new pistons. Engine probably needs a rebuild anyway but I miss driving the car already.
>>29002052Deck clearance is a result of piston and connecting rod combinations.Thos pistons and rods would have the same measurements in any block.Modifying the heads to compensate for the part of the engine thats replaced with a rebuild is the dumbest shit ive ever heard of.>read others have had as much as 0.03" variance >mine is 0.1"Highly doubtful.Youre measuring wrong.
>>289984012031 classic status incoming
>>29002229>Thos pistons and rods would have the same measurements in any block.>Thos pistons...would have the same measurementsI want you to think about what you're saying here before I respond
>>29002506That particular set of pistons and rods, as they were machined and finished, will have the same deck clearance regardless of what 383 block theyre installed in.The blocks are machined to exacting tolerances.Different piston configurations from both OEM suppliers and aftermarket have various installed clearances due to application.If engine block A has 0.03" clearance and engine block B has 0.1" clearance, swapping the rotating assembly from one block to the other will result in block A having 0.1" clearance and block B having.0.03".No machine shop is going to take a fucking tenth of an inch off a block. Order the right God damn pistons next time.
>>29002521This. I’ll take what is “stack height” for 1000$ please Alex
>>29002229>Youre measuring wrong.i got a vernier caliper and measured the #3 piston at TDC since that was the one already near the top of the block, it definitely was 0.1 inch. I even thought I might've gotten something wrong so i measured it three times and rotated the crank back and forth three times to make sure that piston really was at top dead center.Later today I'll take a measurement from the #1 piston to make sure it isn't just something fucked with that particular piston.
>>29002632Then you ordered some smog era pistons with 7.5:1 compression and the forums are talking about performamce 9.5:1 pistons.Or something along those lines.Youre talking about compomemts that are machined to within 0.005" with performamce parts within 0.002"
>>29002643but i didn't order any pistons...this was the original engine. I only just took the head off last week or so.
>>29002651So you have a '75-'78 smog motor?
>>29002671nah, it's a 1967 2 bbl 383
>>29001775TCI 700r4s have a constant pressure valve body that solves the TV cable issue. it's just used for shift point adjustments in those. only downside is hard shifts out of P/N. gonna pull the trigger on one soon for my camaro.
>>29002521>That particular set of pistons and rods, as they were machined and finished, will have the same deck clearance regardless of what 383 block theyre installed in.Answering now.Who said anything about keeping that particular set of pistons and changing blocks?>Ideally you'd get new pistons that have a compression height...I believe the post that you clearly didn't read, yet couldn't wait to pull "akshually..." on, specifically states new pistons with a different compression height and at no point does it mention a different block. I'll admit I thought you were going to go for "all 383 pistons are the same compression height" but you somehow managed to make it even worse. Now that I think about it, you clearly won't read this either so I'm out.
>>29002681Interesting. I love my TCI th350 it’s good, even with the harsher shifts and the case saver I mean who cares, it’s not a Cadillac. I’ll have to keep that in mind. Although I guess now with my full garage and tools under one roof it wouldn’t be a bad idea to pursue a manual swap
its malaise time
>>29002746Dude.I responded to a post that was literally "the internet says my clearance is extreme, so should I deck the FUCKING BLOCK because CURRENT PISTONS"I tried to make it very clear that YOU DONT CUT A FUCKING BLOCK DOWN because of the slugs that are currently in it.You NEVER cut down a V8 block.Its not a head.If its warped, its fucked.I dont know which points you dont understand here.You seem.to be missing information, not me.
>>29002866>I responded to a post that was literally "the internet says my clearance is extreme, so should I deck the FUCKING BLOCK because CURRENT PISTONS">I tried to make it very clear that YOU DONT CUT A FUCKING BLOCK DOWN because of the slugs that are currently in it.for what it's worth, i never said i wanted to mill the block, only the heads. and the only real reason i was even thinking of doing that was because there's no 63cc heads available for mopar big blocks.
>>29002871>for what it's worth, i never said i wanted to mill the block, only the headsAlright thats on me.I want to blame the alcohol but honestly I think my brain was just in WTF mode and couldnt understand any of it because youre talking about grinding aftermarket aluminum heads (for a fucking 383, not some SBC) to compensate for some 60 yearold slugs in a low compression farm truck because you have some "off readings" according to billybob1776 on MoParIsLife.com Yep.Thats it.Thats where my brain snapped. I apologize.I went on a "you dumbfuck....." bender.I have collected myself, realized my mistakes and will try to guide you in the right direction now.
>>29003008>I want to blame the alcohol but honestly I think my brain was just in WTF modekek i've been there before.really i was just blindly hoping i could squeeze a bit more power while still keeping it running on 87 octane. it's not gonna be some crazy tyre shredding build, it'll be a street car first, as i was and still want to keep dailying it. But i figured since i need replacement heads anyway, why not do X and Y while i'm at it etc.The initial goal was to mill the new 75cc heads to get 0.75 to 1 point more compression (getting it to around 9.2, maybe less) since the bottom end was otherwise ok. But now i'm not so sure since i'd need likely need to do other shit like shimming the rocker shafts or getting new pushrods if too much head material was cut.
At what point do you scrap the notion of keeping stock sacred on an old car?I ask because I will be getting an old mini soon that's heavily rusted and has a shoddy paintjob. Not only that, but it has an aftermarket highflow intake and I think it might have been rebored too because of how much louder the engine is compared to the same models online during revs. I am considering whether to make it a project car and do some body mods like a flip up bumper fiberglass shell and potentially some forced induction for the engine like a twincharged setup. Because of the rust I know I am likely going to need to replace the subframe anyway even if I don't fuck with anything else, but if I am doing that I might as well just shill out some extra cash for an aftermarket ti-tube frame instead of an OEM replacement that will rust in the long run. I am getting it for free and I am not too bothered about it being a potential money pit in either case.
>>29003239>At what point do you scrap the notion of keeping stock sacred on an old car?Depends on the car. If it has tons of history and is still in decent running shape all these years later without any meaningful changes from factory, then it seems a shame to deviate from what it has been it's entire life, but if it's a fucking rotbox that no one has cared about, or a car that has already been modified at some point in it's life, then why wax lyrical about keeping it stock? Especially if half the car needs to be rebuilt anyway, why not just do what you want with it? That being said, all the things you're doing give me major soon™ vibes, so without knowing who you are and what you are capable of, just keep in mind that you should try and keep things within the scope of your abilities and time.>stock car that drives > modified car on jack stands
>>29003239look into vmaxscart kits if you want to do something sillyalso you dont want a mini just give it to me instead I will make good use of it :)
>>29003025You dont permanently modify a set of $2,500 heads (that will last a lifetime) to compensate for $400 consumable components (pistons).
how do I clean up a set of turbine wheels? There are so many narrow spokes that it's taking forever to try to scotchbrite by hand. If I could find a narrow spinning brush attachment I think that could help but I don't know where to find one.
>>29004520yeah the more i think about it, i'm just gonna leave the compression alone. turns out you gain fuck all raising the compression and the bulk of the extra power simply comes from the better airflow of modern heads. Plus port/gasket matching.
>>29004625Dremel.com
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Against the recommendation of this thread I installed the spotlightThe template didn't line up perfectly so I just went by how the bracket fit against the sheet metalDrilling it was nerve racking but everything lined up perfectly, no blowouts through the side of the a pillarI was going to silicone the hole but there isn't even any wind noise
>>29005586no water intrusion?
Welllll mixed feelings about my novas cooling system. I parked it and let it idle for almost 35 minutes engine temp slowly crept up to around 224. Engine bay is smaller than the Camaro and it has long tube headers so more trapped radiant heat. I also don’t have an in-radiator atf cooler and have a full size atf air cooler that’s in front of the radiator. Like an AC condenser basically. I feel like ditching this would probably bring down my idle temps a solid 10-15 degrees, but my radiator doesn’t have an in-tank cooler because I wanted to keep the system isolated. I shut it down a few minutes and when I fired it up it was 205. A quick spin around the the block brought it down to 193. So I feel like this is a idle airflow problem and nothing else but I’ve fucked my self into a corner because now my options are smaller trans air cooler and potentially not have enough trans cooling, or get a different radiator with a in tank cooler which is gonna be like 440$ or so but then I’ll also have atf heat load in my radiator and that might just put me back where I’m at now.I guess part me basically just has to decide whether im fine with my engine temp around 220 at full worst case scenario 40 minute heat soak.
>>29005848A properly functioning cooling system can sit in a traffic jam in Vegas during the summer when its 112° without issue.And no, this isnt normal even for vintage vehicles.Theres many things that get overlooked-like rusted out impeller blades that arent pushing enough coolant
>>29005917I’m sure it’s this huge atf cooler it’s a tube/fin dealio and it’s 2 rows
>>29005928Doubtful.I have intercooler, trans cooler, supercharger cooler and AC condenser in front of my radiator.Theres something else.Your symptoms are that of coolant flow issues.When did you have the water pump and thermostat off last?
>>29005848Is the fan ducted. the fact that it's not overheating while moving seems to me the fan is just not adequate in some way.
>>29005848>parked it and let it idle for almost 35 minutes engine temp slowly crept up to around 224.did you just fill it?they will get air pockets in them if they aren't bled good and hot air don't open a thermostat.
>>29005968Nope it’s been filled and ran a bunch of times the last couple weeks.>>29005959Got the fan shroud it came with pic related >>29005940Well my biggest sign is that I had this exact engine transmission and everything in my Camaro and it never got above 195 at idle. The second fan comes on at 195. It used to just sit there fine in traffic cycling the second fan off and on every 10 minutes or so. Also that Camaro had a mishimoto OEM style aluminum radiator and a a pair of fans and shroud from a 4th gen firebird that I put behind the radiator with shroud and all and zip tied in place. It wasn’t like factory OEM sealed or anything. I just took some measurements of the atf cooler it’s slightly over 1.5” thick, the tubes are .40” in diameter and it’s two rows. It’s the same length/height as the entire radiator core so it’s blocking the entire front of the radiator from fresh air flow. It’s not flush though it’s mounted on brackets it’s maybe 1.5” away near the bottom and .75” away at the top. It’s slanted.
>>29005987Here’s a picture of the atf cooler. It’s the entire length/height of my radiator core and 1.55” thick. Tubes are .40” thick
>>29005995The only way its the atf cooler is if its swollen and blocking airflow.Every car with AC has the condenser core in front of the radiator so thats literally billions of cars without issues.Fox body mustanga dont overheat and look at where they pull air from.
>>29006022I agree with you there. Every Porsche I’ve worked on have never had an issue nor any other OEM. I do have to wonder though just how much extra pre-heat it’s adding to air the fans are trying to pull through the radiator because it’s probably holding something like 3 quarts of hot atf. I’m not educated enough to guess about the difference in heat load between thick liquid hot atf and heated vaporized refrigerant hopefully someone can chime in. My gut tells me all that hot ATF is putting a massive load and preheating/restricting the air but I’ve been wrong before. For all I know refrigerant is way worse.It is an aftermarket atf cooler presumably the previous owner put on though and I found A LOT wrong with what the PO did on the car.As far as like the impeller blades and stuff goes, like I mentioned I never had an issue prior to doing the power train swap onto this car and the temp creep at idle has been present since day zero. My other thought is that those factory fans from that 4th gen firebird were also probably REALLY fuckin good because they’re not just random performance catalog stuff and actually engineered for that restrictive engine bay and whatnot in the 4th gen
Time for some experimenting
>>29006075So far after about 17 minutes of idling it’s sitting at 189. It came up to 190 twice and the second fan came on and kicked it back down. Second fan has just stayed on now because I doubt it gonna get down below like 185 or whatever again. It’s gonna stay in dual fan mode continuously which is fine by me
>>2900609840 minutes of idling it hit 204
>>29006119All right gents well that squares it. Air restriction was fuckin me. Out of curiosity I let the hood open a couple minutes to let some of that stagnant air out and thermos dropped to 189. So I see so good vents in my near future
>>29006130Holy fuck that’s what I get for being a cock sucking phone poster. Idling about 55 minutes now. with the hood open it drops all the way down to 186. hood closed it sits around 205 happily. So I’m probably gonna install a pair of 12x5”hood louvers to have an easier escape path for the trapped hot air and that should land me square around the 195-200 range.
>>29005995Lmao wut that things Xboxhyuuge that’s the lack of air at idle right there guaranteed>>29006022Ac condensor is not 3 inches thick and full of 6 quarts boiling dexron that things a heat battery
>>29006335Without a remote cooler the transmission would be plumbed directly into the radiator and all of that "boiling dexron" would transferring heat directly to the coolant.>>29006146I still think youre going down the wrong path.Youre trying to find alternate methods of removing heat because the coolant system is not functioning properly.Youre either not pushing enough coolant or not pushing enough air.If you have this setup:>>29005987Then throw that shit in the dumpster. Its only pulling air through half the radiator for starters.Youre only masking the issue with your modifications. You basically put a bucket on the floor to catch water from a leaking roof instead of fixing the hole in the roof.
>>29006608U have no idea what your talking about lol guy just proved you wrong right above movin that second radiator dropped his temps 40 degrees at idle n he said it gets down to the 190s at cruise so clearly it’s coolin adequately and pushing coolant it’s an airflow restriction problem at idle also water cools much better than air so the atf cooler in the radiator is way less load than that big ass heater coil stop replying like u know anything
>>29006608Let me get this straight, you don’t know how a fan shroud works and you’re giving advice?
>>29006639He only proved that his cooling system is maxed out and hes barely keeping his shit from blowing a head gasket.Because theres still a fault.A proper cooling system will find an equilibrium with the thermostat. If the temp ever "climbs", theres a major fucking issue. I have big blocks that ive dragged a car trailer over the Rockies with that never flinched past 195.Because I have a fucking 195 thermostat.If he hits 205 at any point then his cooling system isnt functioning properly.>>29006642A shroud wont do jack fucking dick if the fans are mounted to the radiator your mouth breathing retard.
>>29006674Just proved your a retard lol
>>29005793None so farIts rained for like a week straight lolAlthough there is a gasket between the bracket and the car sheet metal
>>29006682If you think anything in my post is false then you need to take some automotive night classes at you local community College because you dont understand the most basic fundamentals.
>>29006146>with the hood open it drops all the way down to 186. hood closed it sits around 205Stop and think about this for 5 fucking minutes before you blow your engine.Thats idling in the shade under no load.Pic related has an air cooled, 1,791 cu.in. twin turbo V12.Youre venting off excess heat like a VW beetle that your cooling system can't even adequately remove at idle.Youre either running a 185 thermostat or no thermostat. Either way if you can hit 186 while running then you should ALWAYS be at 186.What are you going to do when youre stuck in traffic on a hot day?When you seize your engine and pull it apart to see what happened I dare you to be man enough to post that rotted out water pump and admit you fucked up because you thought you knew everything.
>>29006786My guy you don’t know anything your talking about at all you don’t even know what a fan shroud is
>>29006888Fan shroud for electric fans attached directly to the radiator core?
>>29006913Theyre clearly attached to the shroud
>>29006674>A proper cooling system will find an equilibrium with the thermostat.that's not true, where did you hear that?lots of vehicles have a 195 thermostat and reach 205 as an operating temp.you should sit down and shut the fuck up, because vehicles are designed to operate 10-15 degrees above the thermostats opening temp. WHICH IS JUST THAT - THE TEMP IN WHICH THE COOLANT BEGINS TO FLOW TO THE RAD.there's no such thing as an "equilibrium" with a thermostat, so you need to unlearn what you've accepted as fact.
>>29006919My cock clearly attaches to your mother
>>29006674i think the shroud is spaced so that the fans aren't sitting right up against the radiator. then it can form the low pressure zone needed to make it easier for air to flow through.the best set up is a viscous clutch fan with a shroud that covers half the blade depth.
>>29006022WOW SO AN OEM DESIGNED CAR WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND YEARS OF R&D BEHAVES DIFFERENT THAN A RANDOM GARAGE BUILD WITH A SUPERCHARGED HIGH CUBE SMALL BLOCK TRIPLING THE HORSEPOWER AND HEAT OUTPUT THE CAR WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR?!?!?! NO WAY?!?!
>>29006932>there's no such thing as an "equilibrium" with a thermostatJust kill yourself now.Your genetics should not be carried on to future generations for the good of humanity.
Im fucking done here.I will rip this shit a new asshole in the next thread. Fucking retards.
>>29007299Open up a textbook between now and then, junior. Look under f for fan shroud
>>29007296you're the one that said coolant temp should remain the same as the thermostat rating, kek
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