what makes it so good?
-Goes to negative camber when compressed so it can be designed to hold maximum contact patch on outside tires-Compresses well and quickly on turn-in, you sometimes want to steer a little, let the suspension settle, and then go all in. You don't want to deal with it bouncing back on you.-Maccas tend to be bouncy, they don't settle as well so cornering isn't as consistent and smooth. If you mash the throttle at the wrong time in a maccas car it can upset the car's balance. If you drive RWD you'll notice this more, you want consistency.-It absorbs bumps on the street well, my miata is a lot more comfortable on the road than my wrangler (for example).
>>29104031>Goes to negative camber when compressed so it can be designed to hold maximumcontact patch on outside tires Yes>Compresses well and quickly on turn-in.No, you fucking retard>Maccas tend to be bouncy. No they don't. >-It absorbs bumps on the street wellYes .t track fag with SLA and McStrut cars
i think i like the mcdonalds strut more
>>29104022Hallmark of a good car. McDonald's struts is like McDonald's food, cheap, rental, carmax car
>>29104022>car is thicc >it body rolls when you turn>the compression of the suspension makes it get negative camber to keep the tire flat >car is now dynamic and goodThank you double wishbone
>>29104202>rental food
>>29104204Mfs will give all that up for some LEDs and a glue on lip.
>>29104022>itt wrenchlet that dont know caster.
>>29104231caster is set at the factory in the optimal position for 99% of use cases. it's highly unlikely that anyone would need to modify their caster.
>>29104238toe-n-go donalds tranner. You probably fall for the "printers down" meem when you get an alignment kek. Wrenchlet.
Multi-link is superior.Double a-arms is dead tech.
>>29104283Wrenchlet
>>29104022Maccas = rental carPlastic engine = rental carAutomatic = rental car
>>29104284Ive made more a-arms than youve ever touched.You need more practice with your trolling.
I'll give you this mcdonalds carmax poster, your b8 is getting better
>>29104349So what are the differences that multilink has, and has over a comparable wishbone setup?Given than you've made plenty it sounds like there's some argument for using them?
multilink is some german shit to justifying putting a shitty engine in the rear of a vw 911 bug is worth keeping due to muh heritage
>>29104195my nigga>just limit suspension travel and mcdonalds works great
>>29104541Fuck driving a skateboard, I wanna drive on a cloud and have my suspension camber itself when I whip this hoe
>>29104349>Ive made more a-arms than youve ever touchedBro you have never touched a welder, bent a tube in your life little LED tranny>>29104470Not bait, I literally have youtubers left and right dropping videos on this subject. Porsche even caved in and made the gt3 rs a bones car because I kept bitching. Glad you are finally seeing my power level though, see you around .
>>29104575Based, I dunk on MccyDs cost cutter deluxe suspensions as well, nice to see we are driving things forward.
In this orderDurabilitySimplicityAdjustability Multilink is getting more common and it will offer more precise adjustments, but in turn it almost exclusively require specialized machines to achieve that precision. No suspension setup can really compete with bones in durability and simplicity.
>>29104588But please add the downside of packaging requirement. GT3 with wishbones has zero luggage space
>>29104743>Muh trunk spaceThe real killer of wishbones.Fuck trunk space in a sport compact.
>>29104744>Fuck trunk space in a sport compact.Agreed for a track weapon. But most people have multiple uses for their car, especially if they can only afford one.Don't forget that packaging also affects front-engined cars, with structure required to support the lower pivot points, the upper pivot points (all of which need to react a load towards the car centerline) and possibly the spring & shock upper mounting points
>>29104749I was born in the '80s. I can fit a shocking amount of stuff in an NA/NB. I've mostly only had a miata or maybe an Integra. Desktop, monitor, guitar, amp, and a lot of clothes, it fits. It's not like trunk space matters.I choose my car for how it drives. That's it. I'm not into having a big house and such, you don't actually need it. If you like cars, having a smaller trunk to have a good suspension isn't a big deal.Picrel has wishbones on all 4 yet is a famous car for being utilitarian. It'd be considered a compact today for sure. How'd that happen?
>>29104756You're missing the point completely. All designs involve compromise.True, the '89 Civic had twin wishbones, but if you look at the length of the upper wishbone and of the upright, (pic rel) it's not exactly an F1 set-up, or even a 1970's Triumph Spitfire and I wonder about the real-world benefits over a strut.And a Civic today would be a sub-compact. They went strut in 2001
>>29104756>>29104770(cont)Pic is a Mk3 Spitfire from the 1970's - now that's what you call double wishbones
>>29104770I fully understand that a Civic’s wishbones aren’t ideal.I’ve designed suspensions in CAD and made the suspension by myself for my unit’s FSAE car that I drove.In terms of production cars, it’s better than the alternatives, every time.
>>29104780The only reasons not to have bones are saving $25 a car or trunk space.My last car was a base 5spd Impreza. It would’ve been garbage without those rear wishbones. Yeah it took up trunk space, but how much do you really need?Picrel, how much space do you really lose?
>>29104784And that rear suspension design actually saves room over the inverted strut the previous gen Impreza/legacy/forester used due to the upper half of the strut/spring intruding high into the cargo area.
>>29104775Ahem....
>>29104814>Ahem....Yes, very good. Now think about context - I was offering the Spit as a comparator to the '89 Civic. You posted an image of a double wishbone set up that is materially inferior to the 1970's solution in that it seems to use a flexible rubber bush as a top link rather than a ball-joint.
>>29104770Alfa Romeo also used that setup, Audi too. It's a good way to do it given the packaging constraints of a modern car.
>>29104823No. Thats a balljoint.They can be press-fit, screw-in or use c-clip retainers.And the previous suspension setup is from a pinto btw.
>>29104823>inferior to the 1970's solution in that it seems to use a flexible rubber bush as a top link rather than a ball-jointWrenchlet
Quick reminder that if the car has donald's struts it's designers meant for it to be a cheap rental car.
>>29105692At the very least they didn't care enough about you having a nice driving car in order to not sacrifice the fucking suspension to keep costs down, Honda back in the 90s would strip out A/C, power windows, the fucking radio, the side mirror, rims, painted door handles, storage compartments, but they wouldn't sacrifice the fucking double wishbone suspension, and yet you have rather expensive fucking cars that don't have it being sold as not only decently equipped daily drivers, but even enthusiast cars like the FT86 don't have it, it's all Crosstek partsbin shit.
>>29105698It's beyond over dude
>>29105692>t. joshua moon
>>29105717retard
>>29104749Then objectively, you are looking at the wrong segment. And hence bones on both front and back are reserved for cars built for a very specific purpose.Subjectively, I never understood the luggage thing. I can pack 2 people worth of camping equipment or go grocery shopping for 2 just fine in my Miata. Anything bigger like ikea trips, you either rent a uhaul or have them deliver because the typical SUV isn't going to fit any furniture in them either let alone any GT cars regardless of its suspension setup.
>the mcdonalds haters are no longer saying mcdonalds doesn't gain camberlooks like I finally have you all BUCK BROKEN
>>29105719This does not logically follow.
>>29105727>only way to make badda ba ba ba strut gain camber is to mimmick wishbone knuckle and most of them don't even do this super strut shit
>>29105727>.01*/in is good Kys toe-n-go wrenchlet.
What makes it so good?
>>29105729Oh no looks like I found another retard!The way to make mcdonalds gain camber is to run the control arm at the correct angle, just like every other suspension needs the arms to be set up at the correct angle, which every manufacturer does.
>>29105731The manufacturers set it to their desired rate and they could easily increase it if the wanted to, but you're too much of a brainlet to understand how that works.
>>29105736Yeah, you can do the same shit with ricey ass camber plates, but then your wheels are cambered, a double wishbone suspension is perfectly flat when the car is just cruising and it will gain camber like crazy when the suspension deflects, that's what being dynamic is, Anon.
>>29105739You are actually retarded.Learn the difference between STATIC CAMBER and CAMBER GAIN before you continue this conversation. Mcdonalds gains camber on compression.
>>29105740Don't need to learn the difference, my suspension learns it for me
>>29105742So does mcdonalds but you won't find that out until you learn what camber gain is
>>29105719>t. joshua moon
>>29105737>The manufac!!!Wrenchlet
>>29105815OH NO NO NOLITTLE DOUBLE BONES GUY COULDN'T MUSTER UP AN ARGUMENT
>>29105826whats there to argue about, you literally get toe-n-go'd
>>29105837True there's nothing left to argue about now that you retards have finally been BUCK BROKEN enough to stop pretending McChads doesn't gain camber
>>29105851mcdonalds does not gain camber
>>29105856You could easily verify for yourself that it does, but a brainlet like you probably can't figure out what these lines mean.
>>29105325Circled is a ball joint?>And the previous suspension setup is from a pinto btw.So? Am I meant to be impressed?
>>29105861You think the zerk is on there so you can grease your solid piece of rubber?You are an absolute brainlet.
>>29105863>You think the zerk is on there so you can grease your solid piece of rubber?Perhaps
>>29105872that's polyurethane champ
>>29104744The GT3 isn’t a sports compact sports compacts are just economy car>>29104756How am I gonna fit my 2 4x12 MESA cabs in there?
>>29105692>it is designers???
>>29105698Delusions of a nocar
>>29105885u the nocamber, not me
>>29105725>rent a uhaul to carry more than 2 people and their luggageBut why?
>>29105887Delusions of a nocar
>>29105895I'll bet that car rides like fucking shit
>>29105897Even more delusions of a nocar
>>29105861Yes thats a balljoint.Just like the one I posted.If you cant understand that then youre a massive wrenchlet and your opinion means nothing.
>>29105698>Honda back in the 90s would strip out A/C, power windows, the fucking radio, the side mirror, rims, painted door handles, storage compartments,Porsche would do the same thing, slap an RS badge on it and charge you double
>>29105735Mostly that it can be tuned for the actual load.Twisting is a actual meme, unless you take the car on the autobahn with a too strong engine.
>>29105890Learn to read. I said Ikea trips, no sedan, not even SUVs can haul furnitures. And definitely not coupes.
>>29105874And? Last time I checked it was solid.
>>29105953Learn to inferYou mentioned luggage and 2 people; what about 4 people and their luggage or camping gear?People do that far more often than they shop for furniture
>>29105953>no sedan, not even SUVs can haul furnituresI have a strap in the trunk of my accord that clips onto bith sides of the latch to hold the trunk lid down. I was driving and saw a big rocking chair on the curb so I stopped and grabbed it. Slid it 2/3rds the way into the trunk and attached my strap and went on with my day.Would it have been easier if I had been driving my pickup? Sure.
Just to recap, mcqueerson struts are for rental cars that get toe-n-go'd bones are for chads that get the print out when they get an alignment.
Also, anything with a 3cylinderlet, 4cylinderlet, or v6let is a ricer-rental as well.
^ricer
^nocar
>>29105698It's all about LEDs now, mfs will give everything up for those interior LEDs
>>29105994>ebonicsDo said “mfs” also act like they forgot about dre?
>>29105999Checked, ricer
>>29104283>worn bushing rattles intensify
>>29106005I wouldnt know, I properly maintain my vehicles.
>>29105956Hey genius, we are talking about coupes and high perfermance vehicles up there, if you are going camping with 4 people get a different vehicle. This is the wrong segment to look at. If you want a do it all utility vehicle, get a truck. But, don't talk about that in a thread about double wishbones.>>29105970Now try a couch or a bed. I hauled whole lot of weird shit I can fit in the passenger seat with the top down in my Miata, doesn't mean anything when it comes to actual big items. And why is this even being discussed? Your accord will never have bones in them
>>29106065My GMT400 has dual a-arms and a base model corolla handles better.
>>29106065Coupes?You were talking about economy cars and how taking more than 2 people would require a moving truck from uhaul for some reasonI posted a full-size Family Sedan on double Swiss Bonez, babyThat’s exactly the kind have vehicle an Enthusiast would want to take 4 people camping, not a uhaul truck or some 4cylinderlet economy car
>>29105953Are you aware Ikea sells disassembled furniture in flat packs?Only thing I bought there that wouldn't fit in my Swift was a bed (had to leave the hatch open for the sofa though). Had to borrow grandpa's compact MPV for that.
>>29106108>That’s exactly the kind have vehicle an Enthusiast would want to take 4 people campingYoure British, right?
>>29106118I’ve not a clue what you’re on about
>>29106125nta but if Top Gear (the second one, the Clarkson-led era) is to be trusted the UK takes sedans and little camper trailers when camping.
>>29106125If you're taking any of >>29106108 "camping" then youre not camping.
>>29106108Kid you are riced the fuck out lmoa, and a wrenchlet.
>>29106108You need to take your diploma back to your school and ask for a refund. >>29106117I do and I am talking exactly about large items, if you just need to haul a lamp or a chair, Miatas can do that.Why engage this conversation in such bad faith? We all know what exactly we are talking about.
For me it's the way it maintains even contact, and the way the ass end digs in as you accelerate through corners.
>>29105954>And?Way to cement yourself as a clueless wrenchlet (as if it wasn't already obvious). Polyurethane bushes are technically "bearings" because they spin, so you grease them, everyone knows this. Rubber bushes flex when the arms pivot, you don't grease them.
>>29105972>"let's recap">says nothing about camber gainB U C KROKEN
>>29104314...According to a random guy on 4chan
>>29106664Not just any random guy, this is the wrenchlet guy who is famous on /o/ for having 200 reply spergout battles with the ricerlet guy.You're talking to an /o/ celebrity here.
all I know is it’s high maintenance and as such garbage.
>>29106680It's literally rubber bushings , ball joints, tie rods, coils, and shocks Anon, there really isn't much you gotta maintain that isn't on a mcdonald strut car as well.
MCDONALDS WON! AND KEEP RAGING ON ME! REPLY IF YOU AGREE! DOUBLESHITBONES LOSE ALL RACES! REPLY IF YOU AGREE!
>>29106771Based McChad
>>29106771Ricer
Mcdonald trannys happily gobble up slob to defend their attainable brownsmobile
>>29106919Kek it doesn't even have to be this way either, even the slop cars like Hyundai sonata had double bones in the front until 2010, Honda Accord until 2012, so it can be done, the car companies are just not doing it and acting like anything that isn't super expensive should be relegated to Badda ba ba ba... I'm rollin my fuckin tires suspension.
The borgar kang whopper is better than maccas’ big mack.So it follows that the double wishbone borgerring whipper suspension beats out maccas.QED I ain’t gotta explain shit.
>>29106709they need constant replacements unlike maccas. you cant refute this.
>>29107045Nothing in life is free.Youre losing an upper control arm and replacing it with a structural strut. The strut is also a wear item. A shock merely compresses whereas a strut compresses and rotates.I replace struts more often than balljoints or a-arm bushings.Checkmate.
>>29107056then why are you faggots complaining about performance cars that need fresh oil regularly?
>>29106709Good luck finding which bushing is the one causing the rattle in a multilink setup
>>29107026taycoball multilink crunchwrap is superior
>>29107123Well played, sir.
>>29107045Lol dude fuck McDonald's suspension, idk if theres a bigger poorfag indicator than riding around in a rental car.
>>29107026People who compare the whopper to the big mac are retards. They're completely different flavor profiles, and the big mac is in a completely different class with the sauce gimmick. This is like comparing an apple to an orange. I do agree the whopper tastes better overall, but it's such a retarded debate that people always bring up for some reason even though it doesn't make any sense.>hershey bar taste better than marshmallow peep i am intelligent
Buck status?
>>29107533I actually get the Deluxe Quarter Pounder from Maccas. Big mac is their flagship so I said that. I don't think I've even had a big mac.I get this deluxe QP and 50% of the time there isn't even tomato, which is what I choose it for. It's always dry with almost no ingredients, just beef and bread. Their whole day menu is bread with a little bit of meat.I get a whopper and it's fucking loaded with toppings, nice lettuce, green lettuce, real onion, juicy tomato cuts and enough sauce. Very rarely does bk shaft me like mcd, it's happened but not often. They actually resemble the ad pics.Maccas hasn't had good borgers since ~2010 when they had 1/3rd lb angus borgers.McDonalds sucks as do MacPherson strut setups.>i pick apart a comment that was typed in a way that was written in an intentionally retarded way i am intelligent
>>29107533Burgerking is garbage. Its McDicks minus freezer burn.Do you people not have Jack In The Box, in-n-out or 5 guys?
>>29107566>I don't think I've even had a big mac.Don't get it. It's not great.>>29107567I only have 5 guys out of those, but it's 35 minutes away vs mcdonald's and burger king being less than a minute.
>>29107619>Don't get it. It's not great.Oh I won't. Look at all that bread. Almost 2 oz of carbs?It's also about as much food as I eat entirely most days, so on the rarity that I get fast food I want it to be excellent.
>>29107627Damn I want some mcdonalds right now.
>>29107634That makes you hungry? Fuck man, sometimes I'm glad that I don't like eating unless it's something exceptional, it's an annoying chore and drain of money to me. BMI 20 feels nice, too.
>>29107567>Jack-in-the-boxI see, you are Californian commie scum so your posts are automatically invalid.
