>Acceptance of automatic transmissions in the United States occurred rapidly in the postwar years--the first year in which automatics were the majority of new cars sold was 1955. Since then, the peak year for manual transmission sales in the US was 1987, when 37% of cars and light trucks were equipped with them.[3]
>In 1960 the average American man was 166 lbs. In 2023 it was 199 lbs. [CDC]
Automatics work for long stretches of road>t. Bongistani manual lover
>>29139863automatics are gay as fuck and laggy as shit
i think it more had to do with American cars being bigger and not having as many 1.x liter fours as Europe. The fact that manual transmissions peaked in the 80s apparently was more because of the prevalence of small cars in that decade.
>>29139873you mean city driving? that's where you would not like using manual very much.
even back in prewar times gearboxes were set up in such a way as to minimize shifting. usually you just put it in 1st gear for the entire trip.
>>29139875>automatics are gay as fuck and laggy as shitis this 1982? we don't have shitty 3 speed slushboxes anymore.
>>29139863This is a nice stick. What car?
>>29139896You don't recognice the Slantal's interior (or is it "StAn1AI")?
Americans didn't associate masculinity with being able to fondle a stick. But now certain individuals grew up in single mother households and that's all they care about.
>>29139892Cars have never moved beyond 1980 for petrolheads.
>>29139892They're all laggy, even the dual clutch shit. You're just suggesting a gear, if you could drive (you can't) you could sense it, wrenchlet.
>>29139907Don't interact in earnest with the anti-car posters.
>>29139907>You're just suggesting a gearThis is how modern manuals work too. Enthusiast cars are dead.
>>29139873Isn't it basically the same once you've finished accelerating? Once you're in you're cruising gear you don't need to shift. I could see an automatic being useful for stop and start traffic but I always thought the problem is overblown and it really isn't that hard to drive manual in traffic.
>>29139910>This is how modern manuals work too.You talking about that ferrari sim racing car?
the funny part is that while manuals are a minority of new car sales, they have a way higher secondary market value than automatics
>>29139884>i think it more had to do with American cars being bigger and not having as many 1.x liter fours as Europe. The fact that manual transmissions peaked in the 80s apparently was more because of the prevalence of small cars in that decade.in a V8 boat there would be little point to manual shift because the engine has loads of torque to overcome any automatic lag
>>29139896Stock photo, IDK where it's from.
>>29139953Maybe so you could actually use that torque over a large range of vehicle speeds instead of having one or two really tall (slow to accelerate) gears?
>>29139961It's very clearly genAI.
>>29139953that's true in European cars too, don't let anyone bullshit you. Mercedes always had automatics on their V8s since they first introduced a V8 in 1963.
>>29139924>>29139910modern manuals have something called rev hang apparently, as well as clutch delay valves to help zoomers.
>>29139907>all laggy, even the dual clutch shitOnly a problem for ICE cars.BEV/PHEV with CVT is the best experience
>>29139963that was also true in prewar cars. they had very tall gears to minimize the amount of shifting. the average luxury boat driver did not want to shift.
>>29139875Go to bed gramps.
>>29139863People missing hands and feet cause of war need automatics.
Automatics were seen as THE luxury item in cars only second to AC, so people post-war demanded them in order to keep up with the jonses. It also helped that automatics are generally easier to learn than manuals, so for a post-war country rapidly expanding it was perfect. You had both a social desire for automatics and a economic need for them
>>29140070manuals disappeared from mid-priced cars rapidly; only Chevy, Ford, etc still commonly had it by the late 50s. while it was theoretically available on Mercury, Buick, etc, through the 60s, dealers never ordered cars with manual shift and would often refuse if you tried to custom order it.
>>29139966Additionally, most manual M-B were European model I4s, the sixes were usually always automatic as well.
>>29139964kinda want to manufacture a knob like that and put it in my car. maybe start a slopcore aesthetic trend
>>29140111Slop-text looks like a really drunk guy tried to write Japanese
>>29139907I was very surprised to find this when I drove DCT for the first time. What's the point of having the technology to shift instantly when it still takes more than a second between my push of the stick and the actual gear change?
>>29139863Automatics were made for women and retards. That’s why traffic gets worse every year.
>>29140070Luxury is for cock suckers
>>29140453Automatic transmissions are getting phased out due to emission rules.
>>29139907
>>29140261>more than a secondWhat car was it in? First time I drove one was in a 981 Cayman and the shifts were 100-200ms when pushing the car a bit in sport+ mode. Shifts were pretty slow in normal mode when just cruising around but that's to be expected, the software prioritizes smoothness in normal mode. Still didn't like it much. Too clinical.
>>29139901It's SLRMAI
>>29139949Only for supercars
>>29140783nah, for anything, even shitboxes
>>29140777Škoda octavia vrs. Comfort could be an argument, but you can't really feel it doing anything with the throttle prior to the shift. A friend suggested it's just nerfed like that so they could sell you the same tranny as premium in an audi.
>>29140455It used to be an actual selling point up until the 90's, then Japan largely showed that tech=luxury
>>29139966M-B V8s were always pretty small compared to American ones though. The W140 offered 4.2 or 5.0L V8s and a 6.0L V12, but it was still a lot smaller than the GM 454 V8.
>>29141080yes but their engines were built to a high standard and costly while American V8s were sloppy-ass tractor engines with loose tolerances
>>29141080i was surprised that USDM W140s had the six cylinder engines, would have assumed they only got the V8/V12
>>29141090https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W140#Modelstotal production figures for the W140 but these are global sales and not separated by region. S-Classes were always a rare sight anyway compared to the quite common C and E-Class. Maybe if I lived in LA or some other place with a lot of richfaggots.
>>29141093that was the last generation of S-Class where a manual transmission was available (on sixes only and not in North America)
>>29141093like with the lower ranges, you could order a European S-Class in stripper taxi trim. M-B's setup was a lot like American cars of the 70s with compact (C-Class), mid-sized (E-Class), and full-sized (S-Class) models, except that in USA they only got the top trim levels.
>>29141141You're right. They got Americans to pay a king's ransom for a taxicab with leather seats.
>>29139903>But now certain individuals grew up in single mother households and that's all they care about.And making as much noise as possible with their gay modified exhausts
>>29139868I weight 201lbs 11.1% Body Fat.Not an argument.
>>29139863Most people hate shifting. It sucks but it's how it is.
the vast majority of manual transmissions now, and throughout history were not built for performance.
>>29139863Lol dude fuck automatics I'm not reading all that shit
>>29141080>GM 454 V8.because all US cars come with at least this much displacement, amirite?stupid nigger, small block v8s dominated and most hover around the 5.0 range.
>>29141242Your point?
>>29141247a car built to be slow doesn't stop being so because you ask it to
>>29141251And I won't stop enjoying something because you don't like it.
>>29141252i never said what my opinion on it was. people create a whole mythology around it that ignores the realities of what it is, and what it can do.
Auto takeover makes complete sense when you consider how a normalfag's mind works.Most people use their computers to mess with excel spreadsheetsThey also use their phones to just chatFor them, a car is a tool that takes you from A to B, nothing more. And modern autos do that the best, most optimized way. Fun be damned.
>>29139875/thread
>>29139863Prewar cars were geared so you could just use one gear and never shift, the cars had enough torque to just deal with it. Post war a transmission that shifted itself was seen as a luxury option. There is a reason the terms automatic vs standard were so common in the US. The manual was the standard option and the upper level car was the automatic. Marketing men and salesmen leaned into that even harder so the automatic became the more chosen config. Makes noticed and stopped investing as much into manuals until the muscle car boom where they had a resurgence. Then another resurgence during the gas crisis since a stick got better mileage than a slushbox. After that the manual resurgence has been more about driving experience than economic factors.
>>29141351most muscle cars were still automatics and had ratchet shifters for manual selectiontypical underage shitposter
>>29141366it wasnt retard fucking kill yourself
>>29141366As he said, Euros had cars with tiny engines. American cars had big engines so they could get away with automatic.
>>29140502thank you chatgpt
>>29139863>LE EPIC MANUELLE IS SO TRAD AND LE BASED >doesn't buy one>WHERE R THE HECKIN MANUELLES UNWHOLESOME 100!why are millennials like this?
>>29141213Driving a manual and loud exhausts are just for attention and validation for children who grew up in single motherhood households in america
>>29141558I've bought 2 manuals new. On my 7th manual car. It was like pulling teeth, dealerships do not want to order manuals and will spend 5 minutes telling you how "manuals are dead" and whatever and how I need to buy an auto with a fancy interior and a $5k wheel upgrade that happens to already be on the lot.
>>29141564See >>29140102It was not any different in the 60s. The main reason dealers get pissed if you order manual is that they're afraid you'll back out on the purchase and leave a car on the lot they can't get rid of.
>>29141558they're the performative masculinity generation, they brought back straight razors and shitty beer just to larp as an older generation that never existed. see >>29141365, only base model shitbox mustangs/camaros/chargers were sold with manuals since the autos could handle the torque better
>>29141565Sometimes they'll only agree if you offer them an up-front payment first as insurance.
The other thing was towing because automatics would overheat so you needed manual to tow a trailer.
>>29141573shit that never happened
>>29141603It absolutely happened.>GMT400 is on its third 4L60e at 160k miles because I have a boat?!
>>29141610should have installed a transmission cooler lol
>>29141570>>29141491imagine driving that 90 year old shitcan so you can wear a fedora and LARP as a film noir detective
>>29141365It was cooler to have a four on the floor than an automatic. The ratchet shifter was a cope that people made work.
>Automatic-Torque converter fails at 150k miles. Now you're told you need to swap for a rebuilt transmission. Quoted cost is more than the value of the car so you scrap it and finance another car.-DSG clutch fails at 100k miles. Similar situation. Or, if you're lucky like picrel it fails at 70k miles so you get one for free under warranty... until the next one fails.>Manual-Clutch fails at 125k miles as intended. You replace the clutch for $750 and keep driving.
>>29141767depends on the transmission. some are too weak to handle the engine torque because manufacturers are cheap faggots.
>>29141770For sure, there's variability.But many cars ARE killed every year because the automatic was too costly to replace. Slushbox torque converters are wear parts. DSG clutches are wear parts. CVTs are wear parts as a whole lol.It's a lot cheaper to swap out a manual clutch than replace an automatic transmission. Sure, you could theoretically rebuild, but transmission shops would rather sell you something rebuilt and send yours in as a core to be rebuilt.
>>29141773>Slushbox torque converters are wear partslmfao kekthis place is really something precious
