Not quire ultralight camping, but I am interested in what the bare minimum gear needed for a solid 4 season hiking and camping setup that would allow you to live self sufficiently for an extended period.

I figure a waxed or oil canvas tarp and a bedroll is all you really need for shelter. I think a tarp is better than a tent because it can be configured into a verity of layouts depending on location and weather.

Open campfire when allowed, and a pocket wood stove for when not allowed.

Shovel, Axe / Hatchet, and a Knife should be the only tools needed.

A fishing pole or a rifle depending on if you prefer eating fish or game.

>>2816120
A one person tent is better than tarp because it keeps the bugs out and the tarp to be usefully will have to be larger than the tent would be rolled up

>>2816120
>tarp
You don't need that, unless you're expecting deep snow. A waterproof sleeping bag is enough in all other cases, just place your hat over the opening. Even a fur blanket would be enough, if you don't mind insects visiting you at night.

>shovel + axe + knife
get a proper shovel and sharpen it, and you don't need the axe.

>rifle
how much ammo are you going to carry? Arrows or bolts can be reused, and if you know how to sneak up on animals, a spear also works.

>>2816127
I'm hiking the sierra navada range, and I'd like to try snow camping while there still is some.

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>>2816117
Depends what I’m doing, If it’s the summer you can get away with a rain fly, hammock, maybe a mosquito net, closed foam pad, and a wool blanket packed in my bag (pic related) perfect for overnights and have enough space for food/ 3L water bladder.

I used to bring knife/axe/saw, but recently I’ve just started carrying a multi tool..I found after backpacking for a month I didn’t even use my bush craft knife for anything.

Generally speaking I like tents, I’ve got a two person that I’ve had for 15 years and instead just use that with a sleeping pad, foam mat that I’ll pack in my 85L pack. Most recently I went to the UK for a month and went with the heavier set up since i assumed there would be less trees and I would be more comfortable in a tent. I always find that it’s better to carry more than you need then carry ultra light since you’re inevitably going to end up breaking something and will have a very uncomfortable night. Then again I’ve got a good friend who has the same set up as I mentioned at first and he’s been using that for years with no problems so hike your hike I guess

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>>2816117
here's my swagman larp kit.
I made the haversack, tarp and bivvy out of bed sheets and oiled them. The cookware fits into the big pot, everything rolls up and gets slung over the shoulder while I carry food/water and my pot in either hand.
The bivvy has 2 70% wool blankets inside and I sleep with a wool sweater on, 5c* is perfectly comfortable and 0c* has been comfortable also, with the tarp in an A frame to keep wind chill off. It never snows in Australia so I don't care to test it in the mountains.
I carry a sak, lighter, full tang bushcraft knife, wallet with emergency mini kit and torch.
I keep in my haversack a first aid, map/compass, phone, cord, socks/jocks, emergency mini kit.
In my swag I keep my sweater and beanie.
All food goes into tuckerbag.

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For bikepacking, car camping and overnighters I run pic rel.

Surplus military poncho, ground tarp, ground pad, bivvy and a good sleeping bag. I use an alcohol stove during fire season but wood stoves are fine. I use a Kleen kanteen and a pump filter for water. First aid kit, TQ, belt knife, paracord, you get it.

Works 4 seasons in central Idaho, although most guys I know run a tent. If I'm doing more than one night or weather is a concern I bring a bigger bag, better rain gear, a folding saw and a bigger tarp.

If I had to stay out for a while I'd bring an axe, a rifle that best fit the scenario, game bags, more rope and a horse. Clothing would be a priority, binoculars and a sidearm wouldn't hurt either. I'd basically pack like I was going to elk camp but for longer.

You could survive with less of course, but I'd be less than comfortable. Friction fire is fun and all, but a bic is a reasonable concession for it's weight.

Planning a minimalist backpacking trip in June, what are some good bedrolls to use without a tent? Just bedroll on the ground, any recommendations?

>>2816241
Get one of those inflatable pads, it's basically a single person air mattress

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this is basically my setup but I have a large comfy pad now (which still packs small and light - best /out/ purchase I ever made). and if it's very buggy I'll put a net up.

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Inflatable sleeping mat, or cot? I can't sleep on any kind of inflatable or plastic surface as I will sweat a puddle on them, but I can sleep very comfortably on a cot with just regular blankets and a pillow.

>>2816203
Whatcha smokin there friend?

>>2816117
I like a minimalist style camping

>>2816342
>regular blankets and a pillow
how cold does it get?

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>>2816342
>>2816885
outdoor temp I mean

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I'm going for a campsite in a 3-day pack. Started with a laughable amazon wishlist of overpriced gear, cut some things out and substituted others, ended up with this after some /k/ teasing. Gonna make another pic of something minimalist and old fashioned I WISH I'd be comfortable camping with.

>>2816885
I'm a hot sleeper, I can sleep comfortably with just regular blankets and a pillow in near freezing temps. But anything over 70 and I'm just sweating my balls off.

>>2816896
>Shovel
Either get a full metal army style shovel, or get the glock e tool if you want a plastic handle.

>>2817023
That is the glock etool

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>>2816896
The cast iron is probably excessive, but what changes could be made?

>>2817064
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000KOOUOS

>>2817065
Carbon steel pans, just as good, durable and reliable as cast iron, but not as heavy, and for a decent price you can find some with collapsible handles for backpacking.

>>2817094
That is the other glock etool
[spoiler]that I opted not to get because its handle doubles as a saw and I was going to pack a folding saw anyways[/spoiler]

>>2817065
For pocket knife, if you're not in the uk, get a 6 to 8 inch Green River or Buck knife. Knives are useful tools, and while more expensive you will find these knives are more durable and better for more general outdoor work, and you might be surprised how often you end up using it.

No real reason to use fancy camp fork and spoon set, you can just use a regular house hold set you already have around the house, just wrap them in a rag when stowed in your backpack.

Hurricane lantern is good, but consider how you're going to fuel it and how much fuel weight you want to carry with you.

Replace the trench lighter with a french flint striker, can be struck against your knife or a hard rock, and doesn't require fuel.

The dutch oven is good, great for making stews if you plan on hunting game, or packing meat with you.

If you're in the US, Estwing makes a wood handle hatchet for almost half the price of the Helko, and just as durable. I would recommend the Estwing full metal Camper's Axe for back packing, its a proper axe, but not too heavy. Or the Sportsman axe if you want short handle axe.

>>2817096
Sog etool is the best full metal on the market, and fairly cheap too.

>>2816127
>A waterproof sleeping bag is enough in all other cases, just place your hat over the opening.
Not sure if you're retarded or not
>get a proper shovel and sharpen it, and you don't need the axe.
Yep. Definitely retarded.

>>2816127
>waterproof sleeping bag
This is why you really shouldn’t take advice from random weirdos on 4Chan.

Does anyone make real heavy duty old school leather and canvas backpacks anymore? All I can find online and at my local shops are all plastic ultralight shit that rips the second you look at it.

>>2816117
If you want to travel on foot, you should be looking at hobo loadouts for inspiration. They didn't have ultralight gear back then but they had some interesting ways in which they'd prioritize their gear. There's certain things they'd have that wouldn't be relevant to campers like shaving cream and razors since they needed to look presentable when looking for jobs, but they were very practically minded travelers. of course, they mostly traveled by rail, but they had to do a lot of walking.

If you want to do cowboy style camping, keep in mind that cowboys would be riding around with a horse to carry more gear. They could afford more conveniences like pots and pans and tents that would be too much for a hobo to fuss with. They were still practically minded but they were set up well to go deep into the wilderness whereas hobos stayed close to civilization and hobo jungles, and were able to make do with less on them. Not saying you need a horse, but an ATV can carry about the same amount of gear and supplies without going full on car camping. Unfortunately the trade off is that they're noisy as fuck, but it's up to you if that's a problem or not. Stealth camping is a whole other category.

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>>2817363
Here's a 40L one that's up for preorder.

https://kodiakleather.com/products/kobuk-leather-backpack-pre-order

And here's a cheaper one on Amazon. It doesn't say how many liters it holds but there's a lot of customer reviews that show people using it for camping.

https://www.amazon.com/ANUENT-Handmade-Genuine-Leather-Backpack/dp/B074YLG6QS

Here are some other more expensive leather retro ones. Only one has a capacity listed but they both look like WW2 style infantry rucks, so I will guess that both are around 25-30 liters.

https://www.craftnglory.com/products/vintage-bergan-leather-backpack-vintage-brown

The biggest leather pack I've seen so far (that doesn't have zippers) is this 50 liter pack. It's not cheap but it's for bushcraft so it definitely fits the bill of both being retro and practical, and it's designed for work. The downside is it's not all leather although the canvas is at least still oldschool.

https://www.99percenthandmade.com/products/copy-of-24-hours-tested-backpack-50l-custom-leather-canvas-bushcraft-backpack-camping-backpack-bushcraft-camping-hiking-bag-rucksack-1

I would say just be careful that you know how big the pack actually is. Sometimes companies will try and sell you a pack based on how big of a laptop computer it can hold and not give a liter measurement, and they'll use small models to make it look bigger. I wouldn't want something smaller than 40 liters if it's going to be for an overnight trip and it's all I'm taking. 15-20 liters is a day pack suitable for hiking but you're not going to fit a sleep roll and tarp in there and still have room for gear and supplies. If it's less than 15 liters it's a computer bag.

>>2816124
>tarp to be usefully will have to be larger than the tent would be rolled up
You're forgetting how cumbersome and heavy tent poles are. With a tarp you don't have to carry them.

>>2816127
>A waterproof sleeping bag
did you mean a bivy?

>>2817411
I'm a leather maker and a leather lover, but I don't understand why anyone would buy one of these for /out/door activities. One harsh rain and it will be ruined forever. If you want an aesthetic and functional backpack made with natural materials, waxed canvas seems to be the way to go.

>>2818039
No, he meant “waterproof sleeping bag.” Welcome to /out/. You’ll be very disappointed.

>>2818051
Guess full leather is literally for LARP to go along with foam swords

>>2818051
>one harsh rain
Check the forecast and don't go hiking in the rain then?

>>2818051
Why can't you just wax or oil the leather to make it water proof?

>>2818145
leather can only become water resistant, not water proof. I guess you could try that, but it's a lot of work after paying $300 up front

>>2818079
that's lame

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Always loved the look of the rolled-up bundle on a little rucksack, was it their half shelter and blanket or something extra?

>>2816798
just some cheap shit, pipe tobacco is priced unfairly here in downunder. 95 US for 50gm lol..
I'll be allegedly curing my own next season, fuck the fed and fuck taxes, allegedly.

>>2817065
Look at what civil war guys did, the horseshoe bedroll, haversack and canteen combo.
Turn some coffee tins into pots, scorch the plastic off them first and bake them with olive oil coating 2 or 3 times. Way lighter, heats faster with less, cost you nothing.
Shape a log into a shovel and use that instead.
A roll of wire to suspend your pots over a flame, ditch that grill setup.
Food will be your heaviest, roll it up in your horseshoe and keep a bag of snacks in your coat pocket.

>>2817065
Why make any changes? It’s an excellent LARP setup, and if it satisfies your autism then that’s all that really matters.

>>2817097
>if you're not in the uk
If you're camping feel free to lug a machete around if you want to. People only object when you're running down the middle of the high street with one.

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>>2818213
the grey stuff is wool blanket
the tan is canvas tarp (half-tent)

WWII version is more interesting because instead of a rectangle, it's trianglular, which seems less practical, but it allows you to combine them into bigger tents with your buddies

>>2816203
absolutely based, post more of your larp pls

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>>2817065
This was my larp kit for a 2 night backpacking trip this last weekend. This was my first attempt at a multi night trip without a real backpack or synthetic sleeping bag. It’s fun to ask oneself “what’s the bare minimum I need to backpack?”, and I found the answer to be “more than I brought”

Still, I had a good time, and I learned a lot. The extra clothes I brought weren’t very helpful, and my blanket was very insufficient. I think this could be done with a thicker wool blanket rolled into a log, wrapped and a canvas tarp for the horseshoe carry. I also immediately understand the utility of a small purse or pilgrims bag.

The shoes were the real MVP of the trip - I was nervous about how my feet would hold up without any padding in my soles, and about slipping without any traction, but neither were a big deal, I just ended up walking a little different and it was fine.

Overall: I made it, but I froze my ass off and it was very uncomfortable 4/10 - will update kit and try again soon.

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>>2819317
>WWII version is more interesting because instead of a rectangle, it's trianglular, which seems less practical, but it allows you to combine them into bigger tents with your buddies
Its a fun model but its kinda flawed in that you need four pieces for a complete shelter that only fits like two guys. My guess is that they wanted to have two men sleeping and two on guard when they designed it.

Personally I like the updated zeltbahn more because you can actually make a shelter out of a single piece, and two pieces gives you a proper two man tent.

>minimalist camping
>everyone posts boomer larp shit that would weigh 100 lbs

>>2822617
did you make those boots?

>>2816896
A sleeping pad and a branch will make a splint.

>>2823875
true!

>>2816117
>cowboy
>minimalist
>the guys that traveled with horses and 30-50lb of gear saddled

>>2824663
Cowboy camping means just a bedroll and a campfire, not tent or shelter.

>>2816203
Very nice

>>2824661
i like my heavy old shit, i have an old Karrimor, that still had train tickets from the early 70´ inside , 2 Chalwyn "far east oil-lamps, carrying all that heavy fuel just for light (and my Trangia) a Buck 110, a Bahco buck saw my grandpa probably bought in ´56,

i dont have any old tents, sleeping pads or bags, because, lets be honest, they are 70% mold at this point, but,

call it a LARP all you want, i find it way more fun and """cozy""" than the hospital tier glow of a neon lantern, plus, if my old Chalwyn lamps were good enough for lighthouses in the fucking early 1900, i think they can handle rain and wind, in fact, the closest i´ve ever come to a catastrophic failure that could have turned really bad, was a Led Lenser lantern spontaneously combusted, it just went "POOF" in the middle of the night, not even on, i´ve slept next to my Chalwyns, accidentally knocked one over, saw the flame go out, because they are designed to do that by people who knew what they were doing, and just kept sleeping, i dont use the lamp-oil lights inside tents btw, just in in shelters or sleeping under a tarp, got them brand new, in wrapper, god i still kick myself thinking why THE FUCK i didnt buy 4, got them for like 45Dkkk (7ish bucks back in the like 2010)

i tried doing the "ultra light" thing for a bit, not the cult it has turned into, but it just, didn't feel "rewarding" going anywhere

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>>2821441
1/4
Here is the contents of my haversack. The tin has my wash kit with home made tooth powder, a bunch of waxed cloth, an oiled bag (folded up) for food storage, a oiled tool bag for camp activities, tobacco tin made from spam can, a wooden spoon my mum carved for me, she also weaved the dish cloth for me too. The knife is a Condor bushlore.

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>>2826002
>>2821441
2/4
Here's my tarp and bivvy all wrapped up. I made the strap out of a belt and bind the whole thing with two taut line hitch knots.
sorry for the upside down pic, it happens when you post from the southern hemisphere.

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>>2821441
>>2826003
3/4
Here is my new and improved cook kit. I oiled a coffee tin in the oven to seal it, like a cast iron pan! The two cookers are yet to be tested, but the whole thing fits together and goes into the oiled bag. I have about 4 tin pots hidden inside, I can boil, cook and wash all at the same time!

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>>2821441
>>2826004
4/4
Here is my prized posession. A cherry wood pipe I made from a branch out of my backyard. I have made a few and settled on this design for comfort in holding, tall enough to stop the wind from toasting all my baccy, a short enough stem that it can go in the pocket but I won't be sucking hot smoke either. I stained it mahogany and cured the inside of the bowl with honey before I got to smoking it. There is probably a good 2" of bowl there, so if I pack it full I can keep it going for more than an hour!
Thanks for taking an interest in my stuff, I am glad to see what else others have got to show.

>>2825696
>posts all of this to justify being off topic and in the wrong thread
>fails

>>2823875
The word “shovel” appears seven (7) times itt.

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snugpak jungle bag, inflatable sleeping pad, jug of water, can of chili and maybe some doritos for prison nachos if im feeling like treating myself.

simple as

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>>2826005
thanks for posting anon, really digging your gear especially the DIY aspect and that your mom carved you a spoon thats wholesome as fuck. how many days do you go out with that setup? and do you go for longer hikes or just setting up camp and enjoying the larp?

>>2826043
i go out for overnights on a weekend every now and then, I want to try more nights but I don't usually get that many days in a row off.. one day i'll have it.
My area is full of state parks so I am spoiled for choice, I will spend most of the day hiking very slowly, taking regular meal breaks or reading/enjoying the sights and sounds. I stick to the trails because I like to switch off while I am out. you notice more when you aren't thinking about maps and distances.

>>2816896
seems kind of excessive desu. i used to carry a bunch of heavy meme shit like an insulated camo tarp, hunting knife, nalgene, all sorts of bullshit. kinda like the "heavy 'minimalist' bushcraft" garbage before i spent big money (mostly on sleeping gear) and dialed in my setup. i do retain my original $30 used kelty external frame, it's just too comfy. the contents have changed thoueverbeit:
>cooking: went from big alu pot on open fire to trangia alcohol stove cook kit, also pared down contents of ditty bag; added cheap retard-made tiny table and cutting board
>sleeping: went from meme tarp + yoga mat + synthetic sleeping bag to warbonnet hammock + tarp + underquilt + enlightened topquilt (all down)
>storage/organizing: went from whatever toiletries bags i had in the house to ultralight sacks ditty cubes
>food: went from hauling in ingredients to premade sous vide meals to shopping for a dehydrator to make my own mountain house meals
>first aid: i always combined toiletries and first aid but it's pared down significantly
>luxury: considering chair maybe, sandals prolly better

>>2826076
the pack itself and clothes have remained the same:
>used kelty external frame that i upgraded the shoulder and hip straps on, and dialed in the attachments with zingit and small titanium carabiners instead of paracord
>the whole sleep system is Ti hardware and zingit as well, but i did purchase the becket knots option on the hammock itself
>clothes are merino wool, cheap used LL bean down jacket, wool hat, wool socks, barefoot shoes i always wear, cotton shorts, rain jacket from thrift store. i see no need to upgrade just to bring less clothes overall: one change + 2 pairs socks

>>2816117
Minimalist camping is good and all but what about minimalist CHEAP camping?
I live in a temperate climate in europe and I can go with my backpack, knife, hobo stove and a sleeping bag and I would say that they are all in total around 158€ in total for a good experience.
I would throw in my fishing gear but I would like to know what would be the absolute most minimalist cheap camping, I never actually tried to sleep in the forest with only my sleeping bag, I don't know what problems I could run into with bugs and other things.

>>2827911
Building a good setup over time is better than buying cheap all at once.

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>>2816127
>A waterproof sleeping bag is enough

>>2827980
When I die bury me in one of these

>>2818039
Those are different. A bivy has no insulation, will normally close fully, and often has poles at the head end. A waterproof sleeping bag is literally just a sleeping bag that's (somewhat) waterproof. Carinthia def 4, for example.

>>2827911
>never actually tried to sleep in the forest with only my sleeping bag
Your back is going to hurt like hell.

Minimum comfortable camping is something like this:
Sustainment:
>canteen w/ canteen cup and stove
>water filter
>ramen noodles
>matches / lighter, fuel
All of those fit a large canteen pouch. This is basically my day-trip setup minus knife, gun and navigation.
Shelter / sleeping system:
>waterproof jungle bag (protip: get the carinthia, the snugpak has holes near the bottome where spiders and snakes can get in)
>sleeping mat (inflatable, skeletonized for minimal volume)
Personally, i carry another sleeping mat (FDF or BW milsurp, depending on the weather) to protect the inflatable mat from rocks and sticks, but that's because I'm a 90kg fatso and like sleeping soft.
All fits into a medium alice, and if you'd leave ut the foam mat, you could probably roll everything except the canteen into the sleeping mat and carry it as a blanket roll.

>>2828228
They make very nice light weight cots now, helps if you just need to get off of the raw ground.

>>2822617
Those shoes look insanely uncomfortable but I like that you tried them.

>>2817064
The one on the picture is the army e-tool

>>2816896
good plan, but this is going to be super heavy bro; to the point where you're gonna consider stashing some items for the hike back out. All of the weight you are carrying needs to be immediately useful. The can for the beans is just dead weight, a hatchet and big knife will be made redundant by your multi tool. When I tried to do a three day for the first time, I didn't have a shortage of tools; I ran out of food. All of your food should be dry//freeze dried if possible with some candy, energy bars, and small items as snacks. Carry as much water as you can tolerate. Food and water are significantly more important than tools. I would buy and carry a /k/ as well so you'll be able to sleep at night.

>>2816120
>A fishing pole
You could forgoe this for just fishing line. Even that you could make twine and hooks from nature.
I would take fishing like and some hooks though seeing they are so light on weight.
If you are pitching in the same place for all season in that time you can gather wood and store it in a dry place for when the rain and winter comes.

>>2816124
>>2818038
I use a military basha and some tent pegs, held up at the entrance with a stick and tied with rope. Don't even need that really as you could make pegs with wood you find, but convenient and light to carry pegs and rope.

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>>2828418
forgot image

>>2817111
Look at the thread retard, its about minimalist camping.
A survival knife would do the job of shovel and axe though, so just that is enough

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>>2817137
>>2817111
called a bivvy bag you retards
That anon is right you can survive perfectly fine in just that, except you need wind shelter for winter so you would need some sort of shelter like OPs image.

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>>2816241
>>2816318
NATO multimat.
Cannot go wrong. its waterproof, insulated with some foam and is self inflatable, just a little air and it puffs out, but even if it got a tear in it, its still fine to use.
You would also want a foam mat for the ground underneath it. Just a cheap yoga mat type of thing, very inexpensive. Just so its not on the raw ground as that could make a tear in it.

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>>2817065
Get rid of the axe and shovel for a survival knife.
Pic related would do every job you need, cutting logs and digging.
Get rid of the pot, pans and whatever else you have there. A set of mess tins does all that for you.
Get rid of the lantern as that is completely unnecessary and just get a dynamo (wind up) torch/flashlight.

>>2817065
Swap the knife fork and spoon set for a simple, small titanium spork.

>>2817097
>>2819316
Yeah you can carry knives on you in the UK, its a tool.
Only if you are caught with one in a situation where you dont need one is it a problem.
Shit how do you think we cut vegetables...like kitchen knives, machetes or survival knives are not allowed to be sold here.

>>2816117
depends on the weather, clothes, activity, timeframe
you could take nothing and just slum it on a bed made of twigs, it's surprisingly comfortable if you have good clothes on. spruce branches make a great bed, very spongy and somehow not as spiky as one would suspect

bag
bottle, filter (optional, depends)
swiss army - with tweezers and mini pliers
blanket (optional)
tarp (optional)
good bread
first aid? optional. army bandage or three, cotton pads, plaster tape, 100ml of antiseptic, butterfly strips, superglue, a piece of wood incase of tornique. this is the thing that can easily get out of hand, do you include a seatbelt cutter and glass breaker too? what about graze and burns? defib? probably won't get used anyway, and if you die just accept death, at least you're outside
if longer then a nata/billhook/hatchet and saw

cut out cooking food and you save a load of weight and space, have a cold outfit and a hot outfit work together ie silk base layers top and shorts are the underwear for cashmere jogging bottoms and wool turtle neck, submariner socks, neck gaiter, beanie - you can sleep in warm clothes and forgo a blanket, or take a blanket and sleep naked to make clothes last longer

set up tarp with a third on the ground, then A frame - some hammock sets don't take up much space and you've still got room at this point - could also just bivy
bushmen do a tarp/bivy/poncho, sixmoon designs do a tarp/poncho

hike at night and sleep in the day for most efficient use of temperature

>>2826034
10/10
>>2816341
>>2816239
>>2816203
also good

>>2828426
Jesus fuck I'm from Spain and I feel you, these laws are fucking retarded.
When I go spearfishing I always wrap my things with 2 layers and tend to avoid places with lots of people because one time a friend got caught drunk driving and the police stole his fishing knife, and I haven't got any problems with my opinel which is so old it's tip is broken but I wanted to buy a joker knife and I am afraid that a basedblood fag will rob me.
Jesus bushcrafting in eastern spain is so fucking hard.

>>2828907
holy fuck I thought only lainchan did the soi > based translation.
But yeah I can't just have a hobby meanwhile city slickers are getting robbed by pakis with machetes as long as my arm.
Does anybody have any tips about doing minimalist stealth camping? That's actually not a bad topic.

>>2828908
>muh machetes
you sound tarded if you want you can walk around with a knife all day everyday, if you get stopped and searched by police then its a you problem and yes people stopped by police should have deadly weapons confiscated, obviously (as if not getting stopped by police is in anyway difficult)
>tips about doing minimalist stealth camping
tips like how? where are you planning to 'stealth'?
the obvious ones:
stealth is a larp and can be more trouble than its worth - especially when in being 'stealth' someon ends up attracting a lot of attention
dress in the most normal unidentifiable clothing possible - be smart with fabrics (natural > synthetic) - no identifiable style - be forgetfully generic
no massive bag (40L max)
don't stay longer than a day/night
practically no torches, redlight only, point it low to the ground from below the waist, obscure with your hand/body
100m off of a path is plenty, the higher the risk the more obscure, assume the worst if trespassing ie they will kill you if they find some random is setting up an camp on their land (maybe its best to keep walking?)
set up camp as it gets dark, pack up before light
if you can't be hidden, be as inconvenient to reach as possible - a patrol is not getting out of their 4x4 to bushwhack and wade through brush and scramble up some skree
tarp > everything else, fuck bivys. a 3x3 tarp with a foot stick at one end = more space, more air flow ie drier, more comfort + as hideable if not moreso - cover with leaf litter / hummus layer
as always be smart with choosing location to sleep

>>2829053
If you're gonna shitpost don't even bother to post at all you stupid fucking nigger,

>>2829053
Pretty sure the police can tell the difference between a hoodlum in baggy jeans and a hoodie with a shitty pocket knife from someone in hiking gear and a backpack full of camping supplies.

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>>2818616
>curing
good luck. i posted about my experience on here a while ago. not a trivial undertaking. my stuff is smokable but it's a completely different experience from proper branded tabac. and i'm a half decent gardener too. the fermentation and curing is an art. plan to fail often before you succeed.

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>>2829074
ghetto ferm rig. honestly it worked great. i'm sure my drying process threw it off some and i had no idea when to stop vs keeping on with the heat.

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>>2829076
inside.

ok i'll stop shitting up the thread, lads

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>>2829076
>>2829077
What is your curing process? I would recommend stalk harvesting and leaving the entire plant out long enough for the sun to wilt the leaves before spearing though the base of the stalk for air curing by hanging in a ventilated shed or barn for a few weeks. Trying to do ferment in a heated plastic cooler with silica packs and that much green that much green is absolute insanity.

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>>2823875
>You dont spend $400 on a cheaply made aluminum camping table like me!!!!!
>YOU'RE A LARPER

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>>2816342
this looks incredibly based

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Been strolling and camping on 1-2 day trips with this.
Yugoslaslavian People's army backpack from the '50 or '60s. Reasonably comfy, made of heavy canvas.
I have a matching camo tarp that can fold in a raincoat or is used as a tarp or floor matt or whatever you think off.
The backpack fits a bottle some knives , 1-2 beers, saw, food, 1.aid and whatever else you squeze in to it.
Heritage gear is best kek

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Tarp, sleeping pad, quilt
Bug net if required

>>2816117
Anyone know what that rucksack is?
And tangentially, what ruck do you anons use?
I've been looking for one spacious enough to carry my cooking gear AND the rest of my usual hiking gear but to not too big to be a burden while exploring. I'd like to just carry the one bag, I hate overpacking.

>>2830439
Military surplus?

how minimalist are we talking?

My core
Core: backpack, mat, sleeping bag/quilt, tarp, cordage + stakes \ wraps. Or hammock + carabiners
tools: headlamp, cellphone, small backup battery bank, Multi tool, fire kit (2 lighters), small med kit
water: 1l titanium pot + smart water bottle + water filter, 2l water pack
food: ready to eat, mre, ramen

if you're backyard camping go mat, insulation, water, headlamp, ready to eat food done. i always forget /out/ to this board is a well traveled national park trail where you won't ever go an hour without seeing a dozen people, yes then emergency gear is overkill.

What do you guys do for food?

>>2832969
I have a few go-to dinner recipes that are somewhere in between thru hiking food and legit cooking. They only require boiling water but it’s not packets of instant potatoes with tuna. Well, one of them is, but the other three are top notch. I guess that’s in line with minimalism; not having to cook or prepare food while hiking. I also aim for 100 cal/oz (or close to it), so there’s less bulk.

>Skurka’s beans and rice
Hands down the best in this category of food. Instant rice, instant refried beans, cheese, Fritos, and taco seasoning. Excellent if it’s soupy or a little thicker, so water doesn’t need to be exact. Google it; there’s a video a complete recipe somewhere.

>rice with chorizo
Instant rice, tomato powder, Italian seasoning, and dried chorizo. Everything can be bought in a local grocery store.

>seafood ramen
Ramen (typical cheap stuff), seafood and vegetable ramen topping, and additional dried shrimp. The topping is surprisingly calorie dense for what it is. Also shrimp has some of the highest protein bioavailability.

>cheese soup with tuna
Typical thru hiking food but top notch. Strange combo but it’s surprisingly good. Bear Creek instant cheese soup, a packet of tuna in oil, and additional cheese.

I’ve been working on a backpacking gumbo but it’s surprisingly hard to find legitimate shelf-stable andouille, and chicken only comes in larger packets. I might try it with dried shrimp but it’s pretty expensive.

>>2832969
If near a lake or river, fishing rod, if not, mre style premade meals in ziplock bags I can boil in a pot of water over fire.

>>2832971
Don't know about these anon, the rice ones don't sound too bad, the first is a little unhealthy. The seafood stuff is questionable

>>2833041
Elaborate and post physique.

First thing to remember is not to buy a bag that is too big. If you buy one of those huge military style bergens you 'will' end up filling it with shit you don't need.

Here's the bare min imo:

Single man tent or hooped bivvy
Decent sized backpack
Expensive sleeping bag. Don't skimp on this.
Inflatable mat
Torch
Battery pack
Hexamine burner or whatever your country's equivalent is
Set of two mess tins
Water

Something else to bare in mind, there's quite a few companies now offering meals that cook themselves with just a little water. Not been able to try them yet but they look like a good option if you want to keep the weight down.

>>2816117
Will I miss not having a groundsheet/bathtub floor? I have gradually moved towards minimalist camping, and Im at the doorstep of potentially ditching a groundsheet. Im wondering if its something ill miss? Are there any considerations id have to take? For context I sleep on a closed cell foam mat? Ive slept in tents without groundsheets before, but that has only been in snowy enviorment.
I was also considering cutting my foam mat down to a 3/4 size?(120cm), but should I reconsider this if I dont use a groundsheet? I mainly use a quilt with a closed footbox.

>>2833041
Bro, Skurka’s beans and rice is insanely popular. It’s funny because Andrew Skurka is a world-renowned hiker with insane hiking-firsts (Great Western Loop, Yukon Expedition, I think yo-joint the AT) and crazy accomplishments, but he’s probably better known for that recipe.

>>2833500
Try a cot. You can get some very nice quality light weight, and tight folding cots now.

https://www.amazon.com//dp/B0DJ2ZHTDR

anon I need help , whats the best chinese alice clone brand you can get as europoor

>>2833548
Been tempted to. I just hate dealing with setups and take downs. Its why Ive actively been leaning towards closed cell foam pads. No hassle, nothing breaks.

>>2830439
>Anyone know what that rucksack is?
TheHiddenWoodsmen but it looks like that bag is discontinued or unavailable right now. Looks interesting, frame pack with a shelf, basically a cross between ALICE and an LL Bean Continental Rucksack.
>And tangentially, what ruck do you anons use?
I use a Continental or buttpack for day hiking and have several frame packs for anything more serious. Primarily that is an ALICE Hellcat and an Eberlestock Warhammer/Skycrane for hunting. Note, I'm not a serious hiker due to foot issues.

>>2829059
They can, in the UK they target the camper. He's less likely to get violent and attack them than the hoodlum is. They also avoid upsetting/offending the melanin skinned and desert nonce worshippers as much as possible ("just put the weapons in the mosque please, you can get them on your way home").
Just recently a fucking 5'fuck all 50kg soaking wet theatre manager was arrested in Manchester for possessing a fucking trowel. A. Bloody. Fucking. Trowel. Guy was on his way back from his allotment with a basket of veggies, and an officer saw him. Armed response arrested him at his home.

>>2834003
>ALICE
any Chinese Alice clone you can recommend for europoor ?

>>2834003
Buttpack

You hike with your gear in your anus?

Wow, hot!

>>2834410
No, they all suck. Buy USGI milsurp ALICE gear or modern compatible frames and bags. There are still companies updating the ALICE like DEI - they make the frames for current USGI rucksacks. Another option is one of Eberlestock's larger bags, some of them are ALICE compatible.
https://www.deigear.com/packs

>>2834438
heh you said butt and anus

>>2826005
Based

are winter climates better for minimalist camping than summer ones because of less likelyhood of insects and snakes

>>2834589
Sorry about that. Sometimes I come here while drinking

>>2817065
total larp setup, that pack barely fits shit and half this shit can be replaced with modern alternatives that are less aesthetically pleasing but are way lighter weight, cheaper, more utility.

i know modernity is soulless as fuck and full of microplastics but when it comes to doing outdoor shit, modern shit is just generally better.

A waxed zeltbahn tarp is enough. Can make it a hammock or a shelter. I sleep straight on the ground because I'm a man.

So I've thought of looking over historical photos of frontier folks, like gold prospectors and such, and try to build a modern equivalent to their loadouts. How viable would something like this be for a backpack only setup?

Decided recently that I wanted to move away from a lot of the plastic-heavy items, and instead opt for a more traditional setup tho still being light. So I guess minimalism will have to do. This is the current plan:
>old cotton canvas pack from the 50's
>wool poncho/blanket
>waxed cotton poncho/tarp
>(granfors bruks large forest axe)
>knife
>msr alpine stowaway pot
>fire starting kit
>some form of water carry(1-2L titanium canteen?)
>toothbrush
>extra pair of wool socks
>thick wool sweather
Thats just the basic starting idea, I'm not entirely sure about the axe, as its obviously "heavy", but also very useful and versatile. Maybe a smaller version would be more ideal as I likely wont fell large trees. I'm also wondering if I should consider another form of ground insulation, like reindeer hide/sheepskin. Finally Im also wondering if I should consider some equipment for keeping the fire off the ground as much as possible to prevent damaging the ground and creating burn spots everywhere I go.

>>2827980
What is this?