>>2831270
For me it's the Flight 30 from Six Moon Designs specifically for the flight vest. It's a good compromise for a day pack + big enough to take extra gear for weather but not overly big

>>2831270
Osprey sucks.

>>2831270
a custom Atom Packs

>>2831321
It’s a shame, too. The AG system really is refined and the best trampoline-suspension system out there but it’s attached to some of the most shitty pack designed imaginable. Osprey refuses to enter into the custom market, they ruined the Exos, and the Levity was discontinued like 5 years ago.

>>2831270
Alice all the way. That way, there's at least one girl in my tent.

>>2831321
>>2831444
you are wrong

>>2831476
No, I’m right.

>>2831270
I have like 15 backpacks. I have a problem.

>>2831513
>I have a problem.
Yeah, not enough backpacks

>>2831515
I bought a commercial grade sewing machine because none of my backpacks are exactly what I want. I suck at sewing but I'm working on it.

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>utterly mogs you out on the trail

>>2831321
Do they? All my Osprey packets are 10+ years old but I think they're great.

>>2831615
The out community is the biggest bunch of gear queers. Not /out/, although they fit the bill, but out normies in general. Last month I used an older super light rain jacket on a hike that I assumed wouldn't have any rain, maybe a light afternoon shower. It ended up pouring all day and I got wetted through. On my way back to the trailhead I heard 3 different groups talk shit about how I brought the wrong gear. Yeah I got wet and probably didn't smell great but I was fine. You really aren't going to die out there if your gear isn't the top of the line. My go to big pack is an osprey exos 58 that is probably about 10 years old too. And it works great.

>>2831560
>no adjustable shoulder straps
>no shoulder pockets
nah

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>>2831616
Is it the version like pic rel? That’s a 48 that I bought in 2014, which was the year Osprey released the second generation Exos.

It’s the best pack they’ve ever made.

Most of their packs sacrifice weight for some kind of gimmicky pockets. The Exos has always been their streamlined pack. It has everything a pack should have while avoiding extraneous extras. It strikes that middle ground between features, weight, and durability; not too fragile or missing anything you need, but not weighted down with too many pockets to get snagged or zippers to wear out. The 2014 model in particular really hit right where it should be.

Every three or four years Osprey does an update or redesign. The 2018 model had thinner padding on the hip belt and shoulder straps, and I think they ditched the shoulder strap pockets, all for the sake of saving a few ounces on an already light(ish) pack. There was no need for it when they already had their version of an ultralight pack (the Levity). It wasn’t the end of the world, but it was a very odd decision.

The current model has side compression straps that run over the side pockets, which is an absolute failure in basic design. The side pockets are made to allow the wearer to retrieve water bottles while wearing the pack; they’re open to both the top and front (pretty typical). With compression straps running over the pocket, you’d have to sacrifice that feature just to have your pack cinched down. Or, conversely, you can cinch your pack down and take it off everytime you need a water bottle, rendering the pocket design superfluous.

tl;dr just some gearfags opinion on one particular pack from ten years ago

>>2831680
Yep mine is that design but orange. I don't use it that much since it's so big. Only multi day trips. But it's pretty much good as new, fairly light, has pockets where it should, and a really good cushion/back support system. It did shed it's waterproof lining for a while and that was annoying, but literally any pack or even older raincoats will do that if you keep them long enough.

>>2831658
Poorfag

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>>2831270
For me, it's the REI Trail 25L pack
>it just werks

>>2831560
I recently got one of these, after like 10 years of using Gregory packs. I've taken it on a few trips this year. I have mixed feelings.

The lack of load-lifters is noticable, but not as bad as I expected. It's more the general lack of "contouring" or other ergonomics, it kinda makes it feel cheap (ironically). It's basically what others have said: "a roll-top bag with some straps." It feels kinda MYOG, even though they're a big company now with like a hundred employees and factory in Mexico. I think the sentiment that they're the "Apple" of packs is basically accurate.

I do kinda like the simplicity. The fact that there are basically no adjustment straps has sorta changed the dynamic of taking "pack breaks" for me, where before I took them sparingly and would rather stand or sit with my pack on because I didn't want to dick with readjusting a half-dozen straps each time I took it off, now there's nothing to adjust. It's almost the same as daypack, so that's kinda nice in a way. The lack of zippers and pockets has me packing more deliberately, I guess. I always hated pack lids / "brains" anyways.

I'm not sure about some of the materials. They use cheap grosgrain for a few straps which I'm sure is only saving like, 3 grams or something, over regular webbing. There are some bizarre design tradeoffs here and there, like they're really trying to cater to neurotics who cut their toothbrushes in half to "save weight". I kinda wish they'd make a version that's more durable than even the black version, for people who've realized that "features" are just complication / adjustments / shit-to-break, and that simpler is better, but without catering so explicitly to "gram weenies"

>>2832973
>that "features" are just complication / adjustments / shit-to-break, and that simpler is better, but without catering so explicitly to "gram weenies"
This is exactly what I loved about the Osprey Exos. It’s everything you’d expect in a pack, with only minor additional features. The Gregory Focal is the same concept. Neither strives to be extremely lightweight, but they’re fairly light just by not having extraneous pockets or overly thick construction. They’re the perfect middle ground.

>>2831616
>You really aren't going to die out there
Projection. You say this because you stay within comfortable limits of your safety zone.
>no big deal
>good enough
>hahaha fucking retards who spend too much on gear

>>2831270
Osprey is shite. My SAR team banned them.

>>2832975
Yea but the modern versions of these seem to have taken on the "trampoline suspensions" and floating mesh back panels and other breakable complicated shit and fragile materials that every other mainstream pack has. IMO Gregory and Osprey are almost indistinguishable these days. I was originally going to get another Gregory Stout but saw that it's a completely different pack than it was when I got it back in 2016. I thought I'd give Hyperlite a try mostly because I'd heard, especially the black variants, aren't really all that "UL" and are more just lighter durable simple packs, but I'm kinda turned off by the amateurish design and the value for money. There's definitely a hype factor.

Honestly my old Gregory pack has probably 1500 miles on it and is still serviceable. It's beat to hell, but I'm considering just continuing to use it until it distengrates, probably last another 10 years.

>>2833036
>”trampoline suspensions" and floating mesh back panels and other breakable complicated shit
This has been standard on every Osprey backpacking bag for almost 20 years. Despite what /out/ wants to believe (it’s real in their mind), these packs last for entire thruhikes on all of the big three trails.

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had too many bags that felt uncomfortable on my back with not enough storage space so I just said fuck it and made my own. no idea how big it is but it fits all of my gear nicely with space for food. total cost was around $15 made from 2 pairs of carpenter pants. still need to get something to cinch the top together but it's served me well so far bikepacking.

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>>2831560
>>utterly mogs you out on the trail


get mog UL fag , here's 30kg pack , every UL fag surprise I'm walking the trail like this

>>2833459
Based pack and bonus points for wearing boots. Can't wait for the screeching and reeeeeing to commence from the ultraweak fags on this board

>>2833465
>Based pack and bonus points for wearing boots. Can't wait for the screeching and reeeeeing to commence from the ultraweak fags on this board

I got enough food for 3 people for 6 days in there , everytime the UL fags walk pass me or go opposite direction they just turn their head in awe kek

>>2833459
>I see other people on the trail
Yeah, we know

>>2833459
if it's actually 30kg I'd be mirin too. anything over 20kg and I'd be pretty miserable doing significant distance

>>2833459
They're not surprised, they just think you're a goofball.
t. I've passed many newbies like you on the trail

>>2833498
There are some cases where I pass someone and I'm in awe. I was fucking around near a section of the north country trail in PA and saw a guy come out of the woods with a big pack and like 3 different gym bags slung over his shoulders. he looked like hell, absolutely filthy, but still moving at a good clip. saw him road walking as I was driving out. made me wonder where he started and how long he'd been out there. in hindsight I guess I could've offered him a ride.

>>2833509
Those were bags of drugs. He was hauling marijuana from a secret farm in the mountains.

>>2833496
it surprisingly not miserable at all the frame pack is quite comfortable actually ,nothing hurt after the trail of 6 days ~100km average 18 km a day , UL tard wwould already complained about their back and shoulder because their tissue paper pack is too saggy

>>2833498
UL weakling cope

>>2833509
Yup. I live near a huge section of the PCT, and I have seen some real goobers on the loose. I saw a tiny Asian couple with big rectangular packs that were bigger than them. No idea what they needed all that gear for. They were still huffing and puffing their way up after I'd already gone up and was on my way back down. No idea if they ever made it to their destination.

>>2833542
I hate to burst your bubble but I don't believe in UL.

>>2833542
Generally speaking, on longer treks, UL hikers are pushing 32km/20 miles a day. Going further more comfortably has been the hallmark of ultralight since Ray Jardine published his book in like 92. Too Legit to Quit was still being played on the radio when people were using ultralight gear but /out/ keeps calling it a fad.

>>2833509
NCT kinda sucks logistically in a lot of spots for thru hiking so he mightve been carrying extra water or food

>>2833459
>all his gear brand new no stains on anything
>out fags still fall for this

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>>2831454
Is this one from rothco alright? Looking to buy one

>>2831533
This is the way

>>2832978
Depends on what you're doing. I've made it through 40 below zero in a leather jacket, hoodie, and jeans before (wouldn't recommend it) but sometimes it's really just a comfort/frustration issue. Especially for a day trip or just a couple nights.

>>2833088
Amazing.

>>2833557
They probably were hauling stuff to do hotpot up there

>>2833835
Muhfuggin hotpot xD

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For me. Recently walked 37 km with that backpack.

>>2831270
Anyone here have an REI Flash 55? I'm looking for a pack to use on long weekend excursions (3 nights max), or possibly to chuck in the back of a kayak for overnight float trips.

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>>2831454
This

>>2831454
t. Incel

>>2833931
REI branded gear, including their packs, is usually pretty good. The reason you’ll see bad reviews of the Flash 55 is because it doesn’t appeal to normies. It’s a stream lined design without anything super special about it. It’s not particularly compartmentalized either, which apparently people really like.

Also it can’t hold a shit ton of weight, which is somewhat of a dilemma for REI, as they’ve never leaned too hard into lightweight backpacking. The spec lists it as a max of 30lb.

REI will have a Labor Day sale that lasts all week, starting on Friday. Their store branded stuff is usually like 25% off, so you might want to hold off for a few days. $150 would be a great price.

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>>2831560
>hold my beer

>>2836011
KINO

>>2831270
talon 22 supremacy

>>2836488
I have it too, great pack

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>>2833459
you mean like 30 litres or is it higher in volume capacity

>>2833088
you ever heard of hemming?

whats a good literage that can accommodate a regular 2 person tent and a sleeping bag and some supplies stealthily without anything hanging out of the bag while still looking like you're going for groceries

>>2831270
You should fucking kill yourself these things SUCK

>>2839444
You're looking at least 40L and nothing that big looks "normal"
Go camping where you're allowed to and you won't have to stress about dumb shit like this

>>2838678
is this a man or a woman

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>>2833765
>$88
For the money, $89USD, you can get a faar better pack. More adjustable, better load distribution, better organization, more advanced materials. Seriously, I have an unissued USGI og surp and it's great for role playing, larp and nostalgia. But there are better packs for the money, especially if you are only looking at a reproduction.

>>2836011
Durable, but excessively heavy. Great flex book bag.

>>2840472
idk i saw some reviews for a nearly 40l bag and the reviews say it suits both a day trip and a week long one

>>2841920
35/40l is ideal if you're on your own with minimal requirements for short sessions (eat, drink, sleep (or not), move on) or if you can move between refuges and stock up. Anything above that is up for discussion. I have a 100l for long fishing trips and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone really, unless you like fishing for a month.

>>2841920
Only thing that changes between an overnight a week is how much food you're bringing.
How much food you can fit into a bag is entirely determined by how big all of your other shit is.

Dude with a 7x9 tarp and no stove can fit a week's worth of rice and beans easily in a 30L pack
If you have a walmart tent+synthetic winter sleeping bag+spare clothes+jetboil+cast iron pan, you're not fitting any food in anything under 60L

If you're looking at UL framless packs have to keep in mind the people reviewing them are
1) insane
2) exclusively talking about thruhiking in the summer on maintained trails

>>2833509
When you live in your backpack and don't have a care and refuse to stay in one town you learn to persevere beyond weight.

>>2833036
>Yea but the modern versions of these seem to have taken on the "trampoline suspensions"
lol
LMAO

Both of these packs have always had that type of suspension. The “modern version” of the Focal is the only version, considering it was released in 2021. The Exos was released in 2008 and has always had this type of suspension (supposedly it’s where the name comes from; you can see the metal stays that form the frame). The Atmos was the first, which was introduced 20 years ago.

I’m not saying this suspension system is good or bad, or that any of these packs are worth a damn, just that it’s been around for years. Your fake “back in my day” bullshit just outs you as a newfag.

any reccs on breathable daysacks?
my back gets sweaty very quickly

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I bought a 50L trekking backpack and I'm pretty overwhelmed with all the different storage options. I'm used to small day hike packs like the one in OP. How do you guys pack larger backpacks, e.g. for winter hikes? I need ideas.
I didn't even circle pouches for drinking bottle, side pouches, etc.

>>2836488
>>2838419
I think that's the one my dad has. Its a much small form factor than my manta 24, which I am jealous of but I appreciate the extra back separation of the manta.
>>2843031
>Side pockets
Snack food, map, headlamp (in a ziplok), hand warmers.
>Bottom pocket
I think a rain fly usually goes there.
>Main pocket
Emergency gear on the bottom (bivvy bag, down puffy, hardshell, thick mittens, heavy hat, extra base and mid layers.
Second from the bottom put the stuff you expect to need (liner gloves, thin hat, softshell, microspikes (if you take thrm back off, put them in an outside pocket so you don't foul the rest of your gear) balaclava, ski goggles)
On the top I usually keep my snacks, sandwiches are good in the winter because you don't have to worry about cheese spoiling in the summer heat but don't let it freeze solid. I usually bring one insulated bottle of water and a thermos of something warm like tea or coffee. Store your (wide mouth) bottles upside down since they will freeze from the top and you can buy some time before it freezes over. Rescue professionals sometimes use hot water with jello mix for warming and energizing hypothermic hikers but I haven't tried it yet. Its got plenty of simple sugars and protein and its widely available so it makes sense.

>>2843038
>I think a rain fly usually goes there.
The bottom pocket is huge, seems like there's room for a small tent or an iso mat. I think I'll put the rain fly in the hood pocket along with toiletry, med kit and headlamp.

>>2831321
Osprey is great, have 3 of their bags and I love em

I have a 20yo backpack from my time in the military that is actually a pretty good one. The only problem is that all the straps have become stiff. Will they break if I start to use it?

>>2841064
how many mushrooms can fit in that?

For me? It's the North Face Recon. Best backpack I have ever had.

>>2841920
>idk i saw some reviews for a nearly 40l bag and the reviews say it suits both a day trip and a week long one
It falls on too many variables to be able to assure you of anything.
How large is your gear, how much gear, do you pack in water or is there a reliable source for you to use, etc.
But with the average cheap gear you could probably squeeze a weekend out of a 35-40L.

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>>2841942
>If you're looking at UL framless packs have to keep in mind the people reviewing them are
>1) insane
Hey, I'm not the only one with that opinion. I feel slightly less lonely in the world.

>"trampoline suspensions" and floating mesh back panels and other breakable complicated shit
Anon, it all depends on the pack.
In my trampoline suspension backpack the entire frame is metal + thick pvc mesh. It's also removable from the pack and somewhat easy to repair.
picrel, although the pic isn't mine.

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Anyone got any particular optionion about the Black Diamond Speed?
Seems like it is one of the few packs that does not have one of those stupid mesh backs and it might be at a solid middle ground between ultra-light faggotry and over 9000 straps and gadgets.
I'm very happy with my old as dirt Black Diamond Shadow, but the coating on the inside is disintegrating, so whenever I'm removing something from the inside, I'm showering my surroundings in fine plastic dust, so sadly, I have to retire it.

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>>2844541
>but the coating on the inside is disintegrating,
So, another thing I'd be interested it, is uncoated bags. Seriously, WTF is that coating's (that all of them seem to have) purpose? Unless you're going full drybag style, they'll always leak in extended rain and they'll always get fucked by UV when you're using them extensively and/or in high altitude and on snow.
It's just another piece to fail prematurely, shedding plastics all over, while doing so.
Fjallraven has a few packs made from G1000 (tm!!!) and that works quite well for pants, but their packs have a mesh back again, so while the main body of the pack might survive, I'll have to throw it away soon, since the useless, planned obsolescence mesh is fucked up.
Any suggestions?

>>2833036
what made you choose hyperlight over the current durston fad, the durston pack seems to just be a better executed version of all the others.

>>2844542
>Any suggestions?
I suggest you grab a sewing machine, materials and MYOG.

>>2844642
Unpopular opinion, but because 5oz "DCH 150" is more durable and weatherproof than anything else anyone is doing in the "UL" space. The black-line HMG packs are simpler and more durable and despite the Hyperlite name, HMG isn't really chasing the UL scene anymore.

People are missing the point on contemporary HMG. I think it's the fucking name. The ultralight scene doesn't actually like "Hyperlite" Mountain Gear anymore. HMG catches a lot of shade for "not innovating" and/or not being light enough, because all ultralighters care about is weight and being just durable enough to last a few weekend trips over a couple seasons, and trying to cram as many "traditional features" into as little weight as possible. There's also a bit of Tall Poppy syndrome since HMG graduated from the "garage gear" scene and isn't constantly out-of-stock or waitlisted. It's no longer "exclusive" enough for ultralighters who rely on elitism for self worth. You can buy it at REI; it's not cool anymore.

HMG is really selling to two crowds right now:

Clueless newfags who watch too much YouTube and think they want to thru hike PCT/AT/CDT, etc (or fantasize about it). This is unfortunately the bulk of the market. HMG packs are great for thru hiking, but the fact that they've become so many people's "baby's first backpack" miffs the elitist ultralighters.

The climber / mountaineer / AT skiing scene. You'll notice that all of HMG's new shit is almost all geared towards climbing or other very high output "no fail" type activities. These people prioritize durability and simplicity and weatherproofing most, with weight a very close second. This is a slight inversion of the ultralight scene, which prioritizes weight over almost all else. So the priorities don't really align anymore, I think.

But HMG puts a lot more marketing into the first group, because that's where the money is.

>>2840496
They used to be real cheap, that was their appeal. Got the large Alice pack with frame damn near new for 20 bucks

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For me it's a OneTigris frameless pack, very similar to MLD Prophet but with 240D bottom panels and carbon stays (removed).

Cut off most of the webbing and extras, cut off the hipbelt pockets (kept the padding and belt) and fitted foam sleep mat to back sleeve for structure.

500 ish grams for a 40L, pretty durable rolltop frameless pack with rear and bottle pockets, £40 from FB marketplace

>>2843546
Leather? Yes, look into leather restoration
Nylon? No, unless they're very very UV damaged.

If they're dirty wash the fuck out of them, grit acts as sandpaper inside the fibres