Please for the love of God tell me there’s a chink shit alternative or someplace that sells these at cheaper prices. Or better yet, an alternative for stealth camping
>>2832247Why can’t Europeans into regular tents?
>>2832255We can, perfectly well. Helsport, Barents Outdoor, Hilleberg, Bergans...OP probably has his own reasons for wanting a bivvy bag, but with Carinthia, Helikon-Tex et al., you're paying the tacticool tax.
>>2832287>Helsport, Barents Outdoor, Hilleberg, Bergans...lolLMAO!
>>2832247Why not just get a tarp and a wool blanket?
>>2832247>854 euros for a fucking coffin bivyYou can buy a 1+ tent for cheaper and will be way more comfortable.
>>2832310Hilleberg is one of the best tent manufacturers in the world and one of the go to brands for mountaineer expeditions.
>>2832318but it wouldn't be "stealth" and OP needs to hide his cocksucking adventures from the authorities
>>2832247I have small 1 person tent, not bivy bag but it simmilar in size. Why would you like to sleep in something so small? You're way better with buying traditional dome tent, with place for your backpack. If you want bivy only because it's small and stealthy, don't waste your money.
>>2832320Ok cool. When you start going on mountaineering expeditions that require one you let us know. Until then Hilleberg isn’t the best choice for hiding in the bushes. As the other Anon pointed out, Eruo gear manufacturers are trying to reinvent the wheel and constantly falling. Tube tents fucking suck, bivies suck
>>2832335That wasn't what >>2832255 saidHe said, and I quote>Why can’t Europeans into regular tents?Hilleberg is a regular tent company, in fact, they are one of the best and original tent companies that have been around for decades and trusted by millions.> Eruo gear manufacturers are trying to reinvent the wheel and constantly fallingYou're fucking retarded. Hilleberg goes back decades and is one of the best.>Tube tents fucking suckSour grapes, you've never hiked a day in your life in high winds.
>>2832312>tarpNo big protection, splash back from wind driven rain, solving those two and you might as well get a tent >wool blanketMeme>>2832324Or a trekking pole tent. Is the Lanshan not available in the UK? I guess you can’t hide when the tent has a peak height of 50”/125cm and there aren’t any trees.
>>2832338Have you ever tried a bivy? It's a miserable experience and hardly provides protection to the elements. Condensation will also build up inside and you'll get soaked that way depending on the weather.
>>2832336>I need a tent for stealth camping>ok, here’s a bunch of tube tents and mountaineering tents>these are all totally normal and not niche at all and exactly what OP needs
>>2832340Yes I have, and that was my experience as well. I was new and didn’t know my asshole from a whole in the ground. I fell for a survivalist meme, learned from it, and grew. Bivies also seriously lack utility. There’s no room to read, check maps, take care of minor injuries, tend to your feet if it’s a long hike, change clothes, repair gear or eat breakfast. You can lie down and sleep; that’s it.
>>2832342With a budget like that he could get the Snota 1 UL, which is slightly cheaper than the bivvy bag he's considering, slightly lighter, offering more space and utility, and looks fairly normal for a 3-season one-man tent. If you went outside and saw him, you probably wouldn't know him from anyone else with an 800-euro shelter.
>>2832356$700 for a nylon tent. Damn. How do these companies even stay in business? I mean the US has an enormous market, so a $500 Dyneema tent will have more potential buyers. Are there really that mane dupes in the UK? These things can’t be popular… right?
>>2832338A tarp can provide all the protection you need if you set it up right.Wool blankets are not a meme. Unless you plan on taking it out in freezing temperatures it will do you solid.
>>2832247Snugpak makes one very similar with the same color scheme for like 200 bucks and their shit is pretty decent
>>2832247There's no point to those "bivy tents" unless you'll be sniping. That's also why they're so damn expensive, they're generally NIR, and produced in extremely low numbers.For stealth camping, a waterproof sleeping bag, or a regular sleeping bag with a bivy cover, will do just fine. If it's raining terribly, you can just put your backpack near your head, and stretch your poncho or a small tarp from there to cover the opening at the head.
>>2832469I would do that. But I found out that you can’t (I atleast) can’t use one at all when it’s zipped up all the way. It just gets harder and harder to breath inside. And opening up the zipper a bit and sticking my head out defeats the purpose of it being this fancy goytex crap thats waterproof and lets all the crawlies in aswell
>>2832445This is why no one should take advice from this board. You can say absolutely retarded shit and no one will call you out.
>>2832469>sleeps in his hiking clothesFucking gross dude
>>2832462>Snugpak makes one very similar with the same color schemeThe Stratosphere? Or their one man tent the Ionoshpere?Also, as far as their quality, from what I've seen on Uuutube, it isn't the same it was some 10 years ago, it's a bit worse.Also, if anyone wants cheap chinkshit, AliExpress has something similar to the Ionoshpere for $50-60. (e.g. 1005009503656519, not a perfect copy, but similar) And something similar to the Stratosphere for about the same price, both with (e.g.: 1005008715544888) and without (e.g.: 1005007543837121) a hoop at the feet.I've had the three of them on my to buy list for over 2 years, too afraid of spending my money on one of them and then the thing being way too chinkshit for my standards. So I just buy fake ESEE, Tops and Ka-Bar knives.
>>2832486Sleep clothes confuse and enrage the bivvy larpers.
>>2832485Sounds like you've never had a wool blanket.
>>2832548You’ve never slept under a tarp. Someone specifically mention bug protection and your answer was “just set it up correctly.”
>>2832498I bought one very similiar to these, about to try it out actually. Will reply to this post in a few days to give my review.
>>2832551Nobody said anything about bug protection. Even if that's what they need, if you set a tarp up so it's enclosed you'll have plenty of bug protection. The other option is to get a mesh to set up underneath the tarp like ultralight campers use.
>>2832799Maybe try reading the post again. The anon maybe made a typo, but that's no excuse for poor reading comprehension.>>2832338>"No big (sic) protection"
>>2832825I read the same post you did and my beliefs and posts remain the same. There's plenty of videos on YouTube on how to set up an enclosed tarp tent so no bugs will get in.
>>2832828>trust me bro, I saw it on YouTube
>>2832247The Rab ridge raider is half the price of that and it's still expensive. A non hoop bivi bag is £100-150. For 800 you can buy a fucking masterpiece of a high altitude mountaineering two man tent handmade by magic gnomes.
>>2832483>you can’t (I atleast) can’t use one at all when it’s zipped up all the way.Yeah, you need somewhere to get air through. That's why you need to cover the head with a tarp or poncho (like I said, strung from your pack for minimum signature - but you can set up a proper tarp too, of ourse).>opening up the zipper a bit and sticking my head out defeats the purpose of it being this fancy goytex crap thats waterproofWhy would it? the rest of your body is still protected from the elements. Only having to cover your head with something else means you can get away with a regular sized poncho even in a rainstorm, where otherwise, you'd need a 4x4 tarp to stay dry. That difference reduces the bulk of your shelter to around 1/5, and suddenly, you can carry everything you need in a haversack or a small alice, instead of a full-size pack.>and lets all the crawlies in aswellLet me tell you the gospel of carinthia...Seriously, the Tropen is worth it simply for the bug net. Unlike the snugpak jungle bag, the carinthia actually closes properly.>>2832486Maybe read the post you're replying to next time?
>>2833674Well how do you change out of your hiking clothes if it’s raining?
just get one of the waterproof military bivys
>>2832247Used 3 trash bags and a blue tarp for long enough to be able to tell you it works perfectly fine. Fine weather:Pitch tarp just in case. Lay bags on ground. Protects your sleeping bag.Bad weather:Bottom end of sleeping bag goes into trashbag 1, seam on second trashbag is cut open completely, goes around the middle of the sleeping bag third trashbag has literally a hole for face. You know where this goes. Keeps your sleeping bag dry from whatever rain might splash under tarp and still protected from ground. Pads are for loosers.Make sure to get out of that as soon as rain stops, take the time to vent your bag under tarp if you wake up like that. Tool fallacy is just looking for excuses. When the mailman brings you your bivy you'll put that in the corner and repeat the cycle of 'soon I will... if only I had...'Go hardwre store get universal tarp, sleeping bag, polyester string, maybe a pad and trashbags. 50€ for everytjing and go out.
>>2832247these are for faggots who think tents are gay but are too much of a pussy to use a tarp because of creepy crawlies
>>2832310All of those tent manufacturers are genuinely based and make gear that works in extreme weather conditions, not only on amerilard designated camping grounds with wifi and snac vending machines>>2832247The Hilleberg Akto is literally cheaper, and will get you a lot more in return when you eventually sell it second-hand as stealth camping is a meme. And if you do some real hiking you will have an amazing tent
>>2834443Ok, let’s follow the conversation.>”Europeans can’t into regular tents”>list of mountaineering and expedition tents that certainly don’t qualify as “regular,” and don’t fit OP’s needs so they’re not germane to the conversation>it’s funny because Europeans aren’t fucking clueless on this and always out themselves as LARP faggots>”oh but those are great in X-Treme weather”Try to keep up next time.
>>2832360Most of the US has a climate similar to the Middle East and 'stan' countries, i.e. warm and mild climate.Most of Europe, except the Mediterranean, has more in common with Alaska in terms of climate, and so you have to pay 600$-1500$ for a good nylon tent to work all 4 seasons.The Dyneema stuff that works on the Appalachian Trail would probably get you killed if you tried using it in Alaska, so the same goes for the deep forests and mountains of (northern) Europe.
>>2834447You can admit that you have only ever done glam camping at this pointThe """regular""" tents you talk about are junk summer tents for camping grounds
>>2834448>Most of the US has a climate similar to the Middle East and 'stan' countries, i.e. warm and mild climate.>Most of Europe, except the Mediterranean, has more in common with Alaska in terms of climateWhat in the reddit spacing amd I reading ?
>>2832247Aussie dollar cheaper for you eurotrashhttps://altongoods.com/products/walkabout-swag
>>2834451>there’s nothing in between an Ozark Trails tent from Walmart and a 4 season tent designed for extreme snow loads and high windsAnd it comes back around to Europeans being clueless. Please tell us more about the blizzard expeditions you’re doing in August. >>2834448Holy shit, lol!
>>2832255>>2832310Why are Americans so obsessed with Europeans?
>>2832247Just buy a Lanshan off Amazon and thank me later.
>>2833680>take off clothes>slip into sleeping bag>pull on another set of underwear>sleep>dress inside the sleeping bag if it's still rainingIt's not that hard. Why do you think milspec sleeping bags are so big?>>2836975Why wouldn't they be? gotta have something to aspire to, right?
Don't fall for the bivy meme. You're stuck in your sarcophagus if it keeps raining and can't do shit. Bring a cheap and light 1-man tent. There are a number of chinkshit cheapo tents that are surprisingly good.
>>2837055Theorycrafting
>>2837049The classic trekking pole tent confuses and enrages the Eurolarper.
>>2832255It’s just this board. Go to any normie platform were people know what they’re doing and you see a lot more Trekker Tent, Bonfus, and Sayamid (or whatever it is; I think they’re French, or maybe Italian). Pic rel is made by Trekker Tent. They’re a British company. It’s £185, so pretty affordable.
>>2834448The fuck are you talking about? The upper third of the continental US is colder than anywhere in Europe except Scandinavia and Russia and most of the rest is about on par with central Europe, only the southernmost areas are warmer than most of Europe.
>>2834448>The Dyneema stuff that works on the Appalachian Trail would probably get you killed if you tried using it in Alaska, so the same goes for the deep forests and mountains of (northern) Europe.You consider it some kind of Xtreme survival situation require expedition gear while people in the US go hammock camping when it’s -40°F/-40°C just for fun. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CTuGJgka1qc
>>2832335Tunnel tents are fairly common in Norway, for being easier to pitch in wind, and typically having bigger vestibules to store gear out of the rain, or so you can do your cooking out of the weather. If the weather is fine you can usually open up the shorter end to have a nice covered outside area.Not going to go deeper into the pros and cons of them compared to other types of tents, but it's a proven and well-functioning type of tent, otherwise they wouldn't still be making them.I will say that most people buy very overbuilt tents for the camping they do. Likely it started with a good intention about going out in the autumn or winter before people realised that there aren't very many public holidays in that part of the year, and so the tent doesn't get used too often by your average Joe Blow. I don't imagine that's a problem exclusive to Europeans.That the tent manufacturers pay heed to the feedback the power users who actually use their tents in foul weather is something I can only see as positive.Don't mean to be fueling the shit-flinging that's going on, just trying to elucidate why someone might want a tunnel tent.For the record I'm very happy with my American dome tent, and I don't see myself replacing that anytime soon, since I do most of my camping in the 3 seasons.
