>>2833305
Yes of course it is.
Need to buy the land in cash (usually); banks hate bare land loans (pedantic cunts FUCK off. This is largely true, and you know it) - unless you get a normal construction loan (but that implies being “on grid”)
Then you’ll Need to buy a few $10k’s of battery capacity; then solar.(or a generator and a recurring fuel expense.)
Water, septic etc are not cheap (again, you cunty pedantic twats fuck off. You aren’t digging a fucking septic tank and leach field, let alone a well by hand)

Aside from being independently wealthy, about the only realistic way for this is if you’re able to work remotely; build a normal house and incrementally go off grid). But you need income to fund all this. You’re not bootstrapping this via farmers markets and heirloom eggs.

Yes and no. To actually live on land yes, but there are plenty of hobos who live off grid for cheap

>>2833313
>Aside from being independently wealthy, about the only realistic way for this is if you’re able to work remotely
i saved $60k and built a place innawoods. i survive from mowing my neighbors lawn. life is extremely cheap when you dont have any bills but food and weed

>>2833313
>You aren’t digging a fucking septic tank and leach field, let alone a well by hand)
You can't have a sewer system when you're off-grid. Every few years, you need the solids removed. That's not going to happen in the apocalypse. Off-grid to me means shitting in a hand-dug latrine.

>>2833438
Very cool, what’s your setup like? And what state/county?

Here in Oregon you’d need a cert. of occupancy which implies a well, septic, and electrical (not sure desu offhand if they’d issue a variance for diy solar). It’s wild, you can sleep on a sidewalk, or put up a tent on someone else’s land, but fuck you if you try to live on your own.
(I went through the hoops to do a rural build, above board - and it was near endless amounts of red tape and delays). That 60k out here would cover the septic, well, and maybe power situation - and that’s assuming you already owned the land.

>>2833438
post a picture or something similar to your setup. what's your next project?

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>>2833497
im in the ozarks both AR and MO have basically no codes out in the country they say the just let the bank handle that if your building with cash you can do whatever you want. i have line power and am so happy i do, everyone i know with solar doesnt like it because its too expensive to do it right (good enough to run a well) and the batteries only last 5 yrs. if the power goes out i will just live like the olden days. i bought cheap land on a hill and have been carving beds into it (picrel), today i planted a fall crop of green beans. i have tons of wild fruit trees and 15 tame ones. the soil here is extra shitty and requires tons of work but after you get all the rocks out it works ok. it never rains in july so i have to water everyother day for about 4hrs. i grow tons of food and have piles of potatoes and butternut squash all over my house. figuring out a way to store them and cutting firewood are my next projects and also canning tomatoes.

>>2833565
that's really cool. canning seems like it will be a game changer.

>>2833305
>Is off-grid living a wealthy person's hobby?
yes unless you want to live back in feudal times
and not just larp
actually live 24/7 for the rest of your life
no power
no food
no money
nothing gets done unless you do
full hands on work from dawn to dusk
its possible but there is a reason why people leave that life as soon as possible
even slaving away in a call center or begging on the street to afford living in civilization is better

>>2833565
those people who told you that about solar are wrong, it literally doesn't take shit to run a water pump and most things a non-normie uses in an offgrid setup. Normies want to off grid with solar while also wanting shit like electric heating, water heaters, dishwashers, kettles, etc, they're deathly afraid of using propane for anything
Newer LiFePo5 batteries are way more efficient and last longer etc


If you only had a fridge and basic electronics like lights/computers + water pump, you could put together a solar setup for a few grand that would probably run a day or more without sun, with added batteries costing between 500-1000 dollars

>>2833688
My gut tells me that you have no idea what you’re talking about; but okay, what kind of pump are you talking about here? A 240v 3 phase well pump? A 12v RV water pump? Shallow well jet pump? Do tell.

Some anon might listen to that advise and wonder why their inverter melts when the pump kicks on from the surge.

>>2833694
nta but electric pumps are pretty much solved. even an average one has efficiency close to the thermodynamic limit (90-95%) and will last a decade or more
you have to assume the guy that actually wants to live off grid will look at the spec sheet of their pump lol

>>2833694
sour grapes retard trying to reinvent the wheel, i'm not going to spoonfeed you - people in the desert run everything off of solar, their well pump included. I'm really curious now as to how retarded your ''''offgrid''' setup a few miles from town really is.

>durrr melted inverter I got from harbor freight durrrr why comes my lead acid battery died after I left it in the cold dead last winter? durrr idk skeeter
ask your neighbors if they make moonshine lmao dipshit

>>2833688
i live in the homesteading mecca and i know a shitload of people who do solar and ive seen what i said happen with my own eyes. most the solar shit on amazon is junk that doesnt last more than 5 years. the only people happy with their solar spent $40k on a solar company come install top of the line shit. it cost me $425 to have a power pole set and hooked up.

>>2833695
not when you are lifting water 250ft+

>>2833305
>never seen a hobo in his life

You can do practically anything once you leave human standards behind

>>2833438
>mowing lawns

This is by far my least favorite task

I refuse to do it

I would rather be thrown off a cliff than engage in one of humanities largest efforts in futility

Just let it fucking grow, humans and lawn mowing is like beavers and trees, just a fucking absolutely bizarre compulsion and anybody playing a role is fucked in the head for it

>>2833703
i drive his brand new zero turn mower. its based i can mow a couple acres in a couple hrs

>>2833703
>Just let it fucking grow, humans and lawn mowing is like beavers and trees, just a fucking absolutely bizarre compulsion and anybody playing a role is fucked in the head for it
no little trees sprout up and the land will be overtaken by woods. you have to mow it a couple times a year to prevent this from happening, his horses eat that grass and it wont grow if there are trees blocking the sun. have fun in your 15 minute walkable niggercattle feedlot

>>2833697
this is the absolute most retarded shit I have ever seen someone try to claim, you haven't seen shit and you don't know shit lmao yikes, typical American. Willing to bet you're from Missouri or some other shithole and didn't move there. Your neighbors know very little outside of how to make moonshine and fish, most are rich yuppies who spend 40k on a solar system like you say. I've been to plenty of houses around the ozarks that use solar for a lot of shit during summer, you're just a dumb bitch and the people around you are probably too poor or too uneducated (like yourself) to do it otherwise

>>2833705
This is an extremely odd human compulsion that comes seemingly from nowhere and it should not be supported by society.
>>2833704
Creating work out of nowhere is never good, the desires of boomers should stop being respected. Whoever thought about mowing grass was a fucking idiot. It's a curse on the world. You're all nuts. You're acting like ants. You're acting like beavers. Get the fuck out of my species!

>>2833696
Stop assuming every poster is the same person. It was a simple question, no reason to cunt out about it.
Running a well pump off of solar requires a hefty bit of kit is all I was implying.
You salty histrionic woman.

and furthermore the scotch-irish were a mistake

it's my dream to build a small sustainable shack innawoods anon, admittedly I will have water and electricity but I will have back ups of these and a killer garden, I am a carpenter and construction surveyor so Ill be able to build my own tiny home. Finding a nice block with leftover money to build will be the difficult part.

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>>2833710
lots of land around this price in arkansas

>built tiny house with no paperwork at all whatsoever
>on land that isnt mine

Because I'm a real American that believes freedom is more than just a nice little word.

By the time I finished building it, I decided I would rather ride my bicycle across the country as a nomad.

My friend lives in it now.

Rules are for gays and women.

>>2833706
good luck bro, hope you have more than your youtube videos if you take the plunge

>>2833711
>that old man's face

I've seen it a trillion fucking times and absolutely all of them are dirtbags

>>2833714
We have to stop letting these people absorb the world like some kind of cancer

They will drink the entire milkshake given the chance

It is in their souls you can't talk them out of it you just have to fucking stop them

>>2833711
I am an Australian anon, I would love a block with a watercourse in it but it would cost crazy money (land is expensive here and decent land is bound in proximity to coast lines)

>>2833718
We have that issue in the southwest. The entire rest of America has white northern european morality white rights, but the southwest has 1800s spanish beaner slave bullshit water rights.

The ranchers, who are usually white, keep this wrong thing going because it benefits them outrageously compared to, you know, everybody else.

>>2833719
white northern european morality water rights*

If you're northern european by ancestry, you know in the deepest part of your soul that no man can own a river

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>>2833719
This blocks location is remote (in the oldest living rain forest on the planet which has survived 2 ice ages) the river next to it would also be fucking teaming with man eating salt water crocodiles

>>2833722
Welp anon, it seems as if you should simply just stop following the rules of society if this is how you are constrained.

I grew up in Appalachia. It is fully natural for me to not follow rules and just do whatever I think is right. It's a better way to live, having seen the rest of America I would have struggled a lot if I didn't have this mental freedom. The developed world is shit. Break free.

>>2833722
>Steve Doble
>that guys face

Yet another greedy grinder of the world, it's quite obvious. I bet he even calls himself a christian and goes to a mega church to help bolster his sale of the planet(this crime is only meant to pay for his food and sex life by the way).

>>2833727
Real estate agents could quite literally disppear over night and it wouldn't make a difference to the world, I mean that sincerely. Tbh I want to live within an hours drive to a big city, but those blocks are too expensive, I could probably find suitable block but it would be like 2.5 hours away driving minimum.
Deal with that when I get there

>>2833713
hit the nail on the head didn't I? lmao t he projection

Mowing lawns is a futile effort for something that is irrational

Therefore I simply cannot bring myself to make money in such a way

It's sad, because it's easy fucking money

But I'd feel niggerbrained the ENTIRE time

>>2833722
920k + 80k hidden fees + 100k for planning/approval + 200k earth works + 100k building a stable foundation in a swamp + 500k+ to actually build a home + its still off grid at the end of the day + tax

>>2833731
OR you just go innawoods and just dont ask permission and stay smart and dont let anybody tell you any different

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>>2833730
eatcheese!,
>>2833698
rainfall,,,happens.,everyear!,just have catch themall., then 12volt,20$ pump.

>>2833735
i know atleast 10 people who came to the ozarks with your attitude and then july and august hit.

>>2833736
sounds like you got it all figured out obviously, gee you should start a youtube channel or something bro you sound so smart and full of wisdom from your *checks notes* time spent in rich /out/ larp land

>>2833737
water access is the most important thing you need, no well is the main cause of a homestead failing. i just got done planting a row of fall beets.

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>>2833736
hada,,,week ofog.,carefull with pressure tank to not run out of water,,,fireplace heat,,,tiny solar lights.,
,,,no internets wasucky!, reading Bible was devine/

>>2833739
why do boomers do this thing where they use commas like periods, but only when putting a bunch in a row like ellipses

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>>2833743
ihold,,,the copywrite for commas,,,getting Rich!
,,all these hillsare YOURS,,,14 daysat atime.,
,Thank YOU for paying me 0.004 penny a year in gibbs.,
,,,have a fresh pic.

>>2833732
thats not what this thread is about

>>2833763
,,,,,,forgot my signature,,,,,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE

MARINES BOOT CAMP CLASS 1967 HOORAH

>>2833940
HEY BILL

HOWS THE OLD BALL AND CHAIN?

DID YOU GET THE CORVETTE WORKING??

HOORAH PARIS ISLAND 67'
RETIRED 68' TWISTED ANKLE

>>2833305
Pretty much. Most of the really cool /out/ shit has significant economic barriers to entry. Equipment, transportation, logistics, etc.

>>2833718
I am also an Ausfag in the same predicament. Looking for land to build a "tiny house" or cabin to live in. Was thinking towards compostable toilet. I live in the Snowy region and even here land is expensive.

>I also would need a primary residential address.
You would have one if you aren't squatting. Off grid people still own their land, dumbass. You can also just get a PO box.

>>2834005
You'll get hunted down by the county government if you list your off-grid cabin as your primary.

>>2834005
In some counties you can't get a mailing address to your house aka a mailbox unless you have a sewer system

no i'm not kidding, I know of trailers in missouri that have to use their neighbors address because they don't have a septic and instead have just a leech field

>>2833313
>You aren’t digging a well by hand
humans have dug wells by hand for millennia. its even easer today. just get a bunch if precast concrete rings, lay them upright on the ground and dig on the inside. keep digging and adding pieces util you hit water. you an make a 15-20m well in a month with 2 people.
theres also very low tech manual drill setups you can weld together yourself. or you get land that has a spring or two.
>septic and leech field
dry composting toilet and greywater filtration beds. just dont shit in your drinking water, problem solved.

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>>2833722
>1M for a piece of river floodplane in the middle of nowhere


are these guys serious?

>Is off-grid living a wealthy person's hobby?
I visited my friend earlier this year, he's been living off-grid for a bit over a year.
Off-grid in the sense of not connected to sewage, water, power or renovation, no road, fairly isolated from other people, and working at becoming as self-sufficient as possible, without complete self-reliance being a goal - he's too pragmatic and fond of the good life for that.
He's not rich by any common understanding of the word, but his priorities are unconventional.
It's a bit of a type-up over several posts, but I'll get to it if anyone is interested.

>>2833735
bacon is that you?

>>2834252
you mean dig down and then dig out sideways u der the ring so it sinks, once its at grohnd level put a ring on top and repeat? You sure shit wont ever get stuck?
Ova here they do wells differently, depe ding on what layer you hit you go with a drill on a very long rod made from sections, or you just pump water down and flush everything out, or a bucket with a valve at the bottom, drop it in and pull it up to get sand, worst is hitting a bigger rock, sometimes 3 claws made from rebar a bit like a whisk help retrieving those. And always keep adding sections of well pipe.

>>2835038
ESL

>>2834797
well anon...tell me more about your sexy friend............. living off grid is just sooooo sexy *siiiiiiiiiiiigh*

>>2833313
Which online degree is easiest to find any remote work

>>2835071
>online degree
lol

/diy/ here

I bought cheap land with cash over a decade ago, took apart a large chunk of a building set to be demolished and have since built a fully permitted, paid for legal off-grid house with septic.

Solar, the hardware I bought used, nee lifepo4 batteries, 5 kw was 1300.
I got certified as an installer and designer for the type of septic plans I had, did all that myself.

last piece is the well, currently run off spring and rainwater right now but good god the misinformation is wild here.
your town doesnt care if you owe money or not. Addresses have to do more with the 911 maps than anything else. Your town zoning administrator is the one to go to.

it isnt easy per se, but its totally possible to go off grid in America with little capital, at least in some places

>>2833305
>Is off-grid living a wealthy person's hobby?
No. It is not expensive. The problem is most peoples inflated standards. People bowadays want this and that and everything and then somehow assume they can have all the same things, off grid innawoods.
Electric fridge, sewage, washing machine, internet, heating, shower, running water, hot water... all those things.
You want to effectively live on-grid, just not next to the other guy, like everyone, and you're lookinv to have what everyone wants but for cheap. Which never exists.
You can live off grid for cheap:
Buy unincorporated land. Preferably with some structure on it. Find shelter in that structure. Find water. Carry water in containers. Scavenge dead wood in the area to heat the structure when really necessary. Dig a hole to shit. Get 1 PV panel to run an electric light and keep your phone charged (you dont really use it anymore, no service anyways). Catch rainwater. Bathe in a natural body of water and wash your clothes there.
Having on-grid anemities off-grid is naturally more expensive than being on grid. After all you need to buy one of everything that townsfolk share. You need an own well, own pump, own power plant, water works, septic and what not.

>>2835397
It really depends on the state and county though.
Oregon for example; you cannot live on your own land without an occupancy permit. But even that withstanding, the barrier is always going to be land prices, and what you can afford in cash. At least 5 acres, legal access.. but check the jurisdictional rules on dwelling. Trying to skirt those rules will eventually fist you.

Cheap land is always cheap for a reason, so your due diligence.

>>2835413
IMO you're confirming my point. Some, like OP, believe living /out/ was expensive becauye of inflated standards or the desire to maintain the standards.
Cheap land is cheap because, like you said, it provides none of the anemities associated with settlements.
You either give up on those or you naturally pay more than you would in a settlement because you're trying to do all of that yourself.
In other words:
Some are essentially thinking: How to live in a rich residential area, without being rich, which is impossible.
Because that is exactly what the rich are doing: Far away enough from your neighbours, the street and peasants to bot be disturbed, enough space for a garden or park ajd your kids to play in safety, close enough to town to get to all the places and have municipal facilities. And so that is what makes land expensive. It's far enough away from others, comes with an expansive lot for a garden, has a road, water, sewage and gas leading up to it. Is close enough to some international airport but not in the approach corridor. And so on.
So yeah is there a cheat code to rich without rich? No.
But living /out/ is not expensive. But you should really have an idea how you are going to get some money in the bank on a regular basis for things you can not or won't produce yourself:
Basic foods like grains and legumes, clothing, tools, bicycle repair, ammo, fishing gear, electric light and such.
That's the hard part in my opinion. Must suck ass to grow old in that setting, get injured one winter, unable to go trapping or hunting, not enough rice, pasta and flour stocked, no money.
So essentially: Living like that also means accepting nature, including things coming to an end unexpectedly and very quickly due to minor events.

>>2835429
Tbh I should have been more specific; potable water.
There’s tons of 5-10 acre plots all over the place, but if the ground water is polluted (parts of Appalachia), 300+ feet deep (west coast, mountain west) - it doesn’t matter how cheap the land is, it’s not going to work (okay okay, rain catchment might work; but man that’s a gamble.. trucking water in is $$$)
Im not super familiar with things outside of Oregon; but seeing these posts about
>buy a few acres
>setup personal slab city
>live happily ever after
Are just painful after a while. Not to be a demoralizing cunt; but if someone is actually going to do this and not just larp - it’s a huge amount of research and planning. But that might be why the ratio of posts:
> I did this
Vs
>it’s so easy , here’s what you do
Are so incredibly lopsided.

>>2833718
>>2833996
Have you considered leaving the hell island you inhabit?

>>2833305
Im going to try for this someday.....

so.... At least in my tiny socialist shithole state....

"mailing address" and "residential address" are associated with DMV stuff and filing taxes, stuff done by boring dry people in state buildings who dont care about little town shit. You can use whatever address you can get enough mail at to meet the dmv threshold and then ride the hell out of a p.o..box for anything else, but tax people and car people do not give a rats ass if you are or arent living in a tiny house.

you gotta keep your town and neighbors happy, which, for most things at least when you start out your gonna be in a grey area.
in my town with no police, theres very little enforcement power the town actually has; sure, theres all the stuff written down, but unless you are doing something outside the lines enough the staties can be called and will respond, civil court is about the other toothiest option- and as a town suing your own taxpayers is not really what they wanna do, its gonna be a huge financial loss maybe resulting in tax foreclosure on the property.

thats very anecdotal, there's a lot backwards about living where I do, but it really is about keeping your neighbors happy and not rocking the boat. as my tinfoil hat neighbors say, they only have the power you give them

>>2835436
My man I'm with you on this. All I am saying is 'offgrid living' is not really a rich mans thing.
I could rephrase it again: A rich man is rich enough to essentially 'live on grid' in an area where others would habe to live off grid.
Off grid living was the de facto standard for the majority of the poorest people and still is for many. And there is a reason why those people, when they see the chance out of that, take it.
It is why you can for example buy cheap chink shit. Because somewhere in china a man was tired of living off grid and decided everything is better, even moving to the city, hot bunking with 10 other guys in a room to work 14 hours a day in a toxic factory.
Yeah maybe a flashy gif with a disclaimer should be made so. it can be posted in threads like this.
I said it up there: You will likely not grow very old and also die very miserably.
If you can generate something of value, say fur, maybe you can sell some of that and get food for the winter and bad days. But as soon as you fall ill youre fucked.

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,,,,,Godelivers LOTS!,
,,just need to gather inthe storm.

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>>2835436
>>2835536
Iihave something semi similar. I have chickens, ducks, getting some sheep soon, I bought 2 water tanks at 7,000 capacity. Use them to collect rainwater, the house pool has 15k gallons in that, My water heaters are all solar, I have a windmill and some solar panels connected to batteries. I got a shipping container full of diesel and gas drums. It's all still a work in process.Take vs time but it's bveen worth every cent. Im dying on that land in 50 ish years lmao.

>>2833313
I want to add that you dod this step by step. Build slowly. Im moderately wealthy but even then I save for good equiment, and spends time working with inefficient itewms (cheap fire starrters etc)
Pace yourself and become familiar with your uqipment well.

>>2833738
thisss We're sourcing from a small river near our home. Put them underground so nothing fucks with them.

>>2835798
second this

Make sure you bring extra tires and pvc tubes for wiring and water breaks. unless you only have galvanized there. If you're out by cokotes get a mini 14 (cheaper) and jjust that and two dogs fixes that problem. Even if you only have c hickens. theyll try and get in there. Kee a good stock of medical suppliese and canned/preserved food and meats. If youre really out there and goign to spend months at a time. Solar power is the way. That gets expensive quckly

I will admit. I have solar but also have a diesel generator that can power everything in the house, heaters, all the tech, fridge, both freezers
HUGE thing for me. For peace of mind.

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>>2834252
>dug wells by hand for millennia.
And 1 in 5 children never lived to the age of 3.
Shallow wells like youre talking about are pathogen vectors and have caused more deaths than war.
There's a reason theyre either no longer used or highly regulated in first world countries.

Pic related is a Sand Point (currently sitting on the porch of my cabin innawoods). You drive it down with about 27 feet of pipe for a hand pump.

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>>2835889
And here's the pump for it.

I have a 220 foot deep well with a 1/2hp pump.
The sand point and hand pump are for powerfailures and apocalyptic scenarios, I've been meaning to get it installed but been busy.

So to answer everyone's questions- yes an off-grid cabin can be done but its expensive and/or takes a lot of work.
I bought 20 acres and a few years later bought the 20 adjoining acres.
It took me years to get it livable (because im not rich). For longer than I care to admit I was shitting in a bucket and carting 20 gallons of water jugs a day (filled up at a friend's house in town) just to flush the toilet and water some saplings.

>>2833305
Basically, you’re not allowed to exist unless the state and the banks can leech money from you for the privilege.

>>2835892
>flush toilet
>without plumbing

??? flushed it into your leech field? why not just shit inna trench inna woods?

>>2837039
I compressed it a little because I get tired of posting 5 page blogs.

I started with a cabin, no utilities.
Had to build as my wageslaving allowed.
Almost froze to death the first winter when it was 17°F (no heating, didn't have insulation yet, just 2x4 stud walls and external siding).
Got electricity.
Shitting in bucket but atleast not in the dark.
Got septic.
Shitting in toilet but no running water.
Got well.

Cabin was about $10k when i moved in with another $10k to finish out.
Electricity: $900
Septic: $2,000 but covid fucked PVC prices and the same system from same installer is $5k today.
Well: $9k- 220 feet deep, water at 120 feet, 1/2hp pump sitting at 170 feet. 100 gallon steel expansion tank. Well rated at about 100 gallon per minute (available water, not what the small pump is capable of). Delicious water which is nice because I've been on property with sulfur issues.

I found the property on landandfarm.com.
It was one of those "no money down, no credit check, owner financed" deals.
Speculator bought an old farm that was being sold off for back taxes. It was overgrown with pines and they logged it, made back some money then cut it into parcels. I was recently lucky enough to buy an adjoining parcel when another buyer got bored with it.

>>2833735
Where in Smith Valley, Nevada, is this?

>>2833305
Yes, Maggie Mae Fish did a video about it a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIcnCaVsYFI
Most of the "Off-grid" influencers are wealthy and or connected (like that one dude in the video having a fucking construction firm where he can siphon workers from or whatever), with only a very few being open about the fact that what enables their off-grid lifestyle is having huge swafts of money.
Unrelated but: They also tend to only show the "romantic" parts of off grid living. Rarely do you see someone waist deep in shit trying to deal with their waste system, ya know?

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>>2837096
yesterday,,,neighbors did 20 mule team!,
,,,totaly forgot PICS?,,the Joy wasoverwelming.,
,imagine,,,,20.

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>>2833728
I mean, they're just a stupid middle man. The real problem is with people being allowed to own land and homes, there's about 640 thousand hoemless people in the US, and depending on whose statistic you use, about 12 to 15+ million vacant homes. So depending on which stats are correct, every homeless person could be given 15 to 24 homes, and we'd still have vacant homes. But no, people would rather leave these homes empty, waiting for profit, rather than distributing it to people who need them. Why is that allowed? I'm not even against the concept of owning a home. But why should any human on earth be allowed to own more homes than he personally lives in? I'd imagine that'd result in being able to own a home for under a million dollars again real quick.

>>2837127
Lol.
I have 3 houses.
Live in #1, vacation in #2, rent #3.
I'll bet you have netflix and xbox subscriptions. I'll also bet you've seen more than 2 Hollywood capeshits in the theater this year.

Thats why you live in an apparent and will never own a home. Because you have zero fiscal discipline.
Stay poor.
It pays my bills.

>>2837141
It will be good when people like you own nothing

The ladder pullers of the world thinking they are smart for being the first to be cowards

You will merely have done it all for nothing

>>2837145
Youre a lazy piece of shit.
That's why you have nothing.
I was born poor. Ive never inherited a God damn thing. Everything I have i worked my ass off for and EARNED.

Stop playing video games and spending your wagie paycheck on plastic trash.
Take that Christmas bonus to an antique store and by a nice vintage dining room table.
Start planning your life instead of wasting it.

>>2837204
>I rent out a house
>Youre a lazy piece of shit
>worked and EARNED
KEK delusional faggot leech

>>2837261
>bought a house with money I worked my ass off for.
>fixed it up
>lived in it
>saved more money by not spending my paycheck on funkopops.
>bought another house (1907 build) and restored it after work instead of playing COD.
>move into house #2 after 3 years of blood and sweat.
>rent #1 do dumbfuck loser like you to pay off credit cards i used to build #2

Stay poor.
Stay mad.
Fucking loser.

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>>2837083
>Electricity: $900
Lavish!,
,,my laptop uses 8 watts,,,,and hasitsown batteries.,router adds 7.,panels cost 105$ for 200 watts,,7 hours a day sunlight in winter= way over 1000 watts.,
,,old system of 500 watts on Overcast day,under 4 inchsnowas producing 50watts?,sweet.
,,so,ya lavishowoff.,,,nice.

>>2837427
>way over 1000 watts.,
Oh wow, you can run a refrigerator. Or a microwave. Just not both at the same time. Or anything else at the same time.

>>2837431
That’s kind of the compromise you make with trying to go off grid.
What kind of modern conveniences are you willing to cut back on, or completely do without?
(That said, if you exclude heating and a clothes dryer, that would be enough for lights, router, non-gaming pc, tv etc. solar is pretty cheap, storage is coming down in price as well)

>>2837459
>willing to cut back on, or completely do without?
Im not living without A/C when its 100 degrees.
My smallest welder is 240v@19amps. Might as well just kill me now if I cant weld.
Another part of self sufficient means having a deep freezer as well as a nor.al fridge.

Im glad that solar is getting a little bettwr but still comes up a little shy between number of panels needed and battery price/maintenance.

https://livingenergyfarm.org/energy/

This family in Virginia has been using what is coined as a "DC micro grid" since 2012 without any generators or fuel. Everything they run on the farm is converted to utilize DC electric. They claim the monetary cost is reduced something like 80 to 90% for the solar system compared to traditional systems converting to AC

Storage and batteries are the main expense when going solar but panels themselves are actually pretty cheap especially if you buy surplus.

Their fridge is like a chest freezer so the cold sinks to the bottom and it generates what they need throughout the day and stays cold over night without any further current until the next day.

All of the tools, workshop, vehicles, & the grain mill etc runs throughout the day while the sun is shining with what they call "day light drive". For lighting and mobile phones at night, they use some nickel-iron batteries which are resilient from shorting out and long lasting (decades if maintained)

Solar thermal heating and a focus on efficient insulation etc.

They said every major appliance can be purchased as or converted to DC with a little knowledge

Just check out the website there is a ton of information on their processes they cover everything.

Its definitely interesting.

>>2837697
Ass

>>2833305
i rent and am building an off grid cabin. the trick is to build it to the size that doesn't require permits. also what is a PO box or your parents address.

>>2835043
(Sorry for the late reply, I was occupied with some things)
I visited a dear friend this summer, and he lives very well off the grid(ish).
He bought a small old farm (abandoned just after the war) on an island. Really just the main house, everything else was for shit: Pastures overgrown and full of rocks fallen down from the surrounding mountains, old barn had a tree growing through it, other buildings had plain fallen over from wind and rot.
House wasn't much either, old and worn down, but it kept the rain and most of the wind out. In clear language, it was a fucking dump, and he got it for a pittance, on the sole condition that if he ever change his mind and sell it, that the woman who sold it to him would have the option to buy it back.
Heating and cooking was done with a beautifully incongruous modern and shiny Thermorossi wood range, a supremely gucci piece of equipment he bought and installed with no small trouble - Had to knock out part of an interior wall - because he is very fond of cooking and eating well.
We installed two solar panels and a battery bank last year, which is enough to power a small refrigerator/freezer (about mid-thigh height), a few lights (used sparingly, could probably be replaced with battery powered lanterns), charge electronics as needed - phone, torch/headlamp, GPS collars for his sheep (20) and cattle (4), and supposedly also for a small washing machine he had just bought. And one of those small projectors you can cast your phone to. Of course there's also a small generator, for the dark winter months.
Shitting was done in an outhouse, water drawn from a nearby river, only refuse to take out was plastic and what glass and metal he couldn't use for canning or storage.

1/3

>>2837761
As I wrote, he has his livestock, and though he has let his sheep go empty one year while he got settled, he was looking to get them bred this year. The cows, he wasn't sure about, but they'll eventually make good eating anyway.
His vegetables and potatoes were coming along nicely after his soil improvement efforts of last year, and should be ready for the harvest.
He has his tractor he can drive along the shore to get to the town centre whenever there's a spring tide if he has anything big to pick up, otherwise it was walking three kilometres out of a valley, over a ridge and along a pasture to get to the nearest road, where he has a cheap little ATV parked for getting to and fro. I packed in four BiBs of wine, twelve kilos of dog food and three bottles of liquor from the mainland, plus some groceries and the clothes and toiletries I needed when I came to visit.
He would himself make the trip a few days of the week, working when he was needed in a factory, or to go fishing on his boat, not surprisingly also an old disreputable-looking thing without many modern conveniences, but it has an economical, simple, and reliable engine, and it stayed afloat, as it should. We fished for saithe and haddock, set crab pots and got some royal good meals out of that, and I dove for scallops and found a few. What we didn't use ourselves, we just sold at the quay, or packed and froze in a freezer he had standing in a friend's barn in exchange for some of yesteryear's lamb meat.
Overall, he bartered for a lot of conveniences and goods, which I thought was really clever as a stopgap until he got settled with his own means of dealing with it.

2/3

>>2837762
Of course, he's not entirely self-sufficient.
Instead of trying to mow the steep sides of the valley for winter feed, he buys it, with the very good reasoning that the equipment he needs to mow and bale the hay costs more money and bother than he could ever hope of earning back.
Instead of cutting and planting trees for firewood, he buys it, with the very good reasoning that the few sparse trees around him won't keep him warm for long, so instead he just buys a few thousand litre bags of wood a few times a year and drives them up to the farm when he can get them with his tractor.
Fresh food, any drink other than water, dry goods, petrol for the generator and ATV, diesel for the boat and tractor(...) he still buys, but with some planning ahead it's no big deal.
Still, he lives without any close neighbours, doing what he wants, with living costs so low that he doesn't need to worry about getting by, only working when he needs a little extra money, and he has excellent meat and fish to eat.
Despite his relaxed relationship with cleanliness and personal hygiene, he is a genuinely intelligent man, well educated and experienced in agriculture and with many clever ideas about synergies between the fishery and farming, and with no qualms about proving it with himself as test subject.
I was surprised to see how well he was doing, but the takeaway is that you don't need a lot to *live* off-grid. It's only if you want to live in the same high style and comfort as you do on-grid, with running water, plenty of electricity, fast internet, shitting indoors(...), or if you want to be entirely self-sufficient (grain, meat, veg, dairy, eggs, feed, firewood...), that it gets difficult and/or expensive.
His devil-may-care attitude was just to get out there, start living, and figure out the rest as he went, and it seems to work.

3/3

>>2837261
Falling for the most obvious bait on the planet

>>2837763
>running water
That’s actually pretty dam easy at least.
>some kind of holding tank
>pump (even a 12v rv pump is fine)
>pressure tank
That’s literally it.
And actually North Star makes a 7gpm 12v pump that is more than sufficient; used mine for a few years on my irrigation system. It was driving a few drip irrigation stations at about 25’ of rise, and 100’ of total run.
For a small dwelling with a tap or two and a shower, you wouldn’t even need a pressure tank at that point (built in pressure switch)

>>2839511
Your theory only works if someone with a truck brings you water.
Your holding tank doesn't magically fill up.
An 8 minute shower burned up 30 gallons, 1 load of laundry used 50 gallons.
You rinsed the sink after dinner? There's another gallon.
Washed your hands after taking a shit? There's another gallon.
That 50 gallon rain barrel thats fed from your rain gutters is gone in a day. Now theres no rain in the forecast for a week.
Oh... you want to plant some apple saplings?!
Nope.
They died because its summer and didn't rain enough.
>t. Actually have an "off grid" cabin (started off grid) i built a decade ago and it takes a shitload of money and effort even with municipal power and a well.

>>2839576
I should have made it more clear.
>running water
Ya sure- maybe today but not tomorrow.
And if it runs year round that means it has e. coli and God knows what else in it.
So now you have to have 100% full time water treatment or youre going to get sick and die from brushing your teeth.
>b-b-but mankind has been drinking from streams for 60,000 years.
And the life expectancy was 30 and 3 out of 5 children never lived to 5 years old.

>>2839577
I know man, I know. Wife and I live on some land with a well that has about 150x the safe levels of arsenic. For the first couple of years we had water tricked out, was about $280 every 40 days for 2800g or so.

Since then we’ve developed a few of the surface seeps for drinking water. Skies way, way down in august, but so far we’ve made it through without needing a delivery.
The filtration/treatment setup we’re using consists of:
>calcite tank (water had a pH of 5.4, now it’s about 6.9)
>50mic spin down for sediment
>20, 10,5,1 micron filters in sequence
>UV lamps
From there it goes into a staging tank were an oz or so if bleach is added per 500g of filtered water. Then it’s drained into our main potable water tanks and into the house via jet pump.
All told it was ~2100 for the parts; but it’s paid for itself.

I was just saying that setting up running water in an off grid house isn’t that hard. Provided of course you have water, which is a prerequisite imo.
Relying on trucked water is not feasible or reliable enough to consider long term.

>>2839578
Pardon the dumb autocorrect typos, phone posting on the shitter is not without its risks.

>>2839576

I am not him, but I am off-grid, no well.
I have one side of my roof (32 feet) guttered. I get about a 55 gallon barrel every inch of rain.
I use a tractor to bring it up the hill, where I have 3 275 gallon totes.
one goes to the outdoor shower
one goes to the house
one goes to the garage

Since I put the gutters up, none of the three have ever been dry.
I do not do laundry at home. My toilet is a regular 1.6 gallon/flush toilet

one person, paying attention, doesnt need water trucked in. your habits are wasteful

>>2839629
>wasteful
Romans had running water for even the plebs 2,000 years ago.
You've devolved into a hunter gatherer state.

I can take a 30 minute shower after a long day.
I can plant 100 saplings and nurture them.
Youre literally at the mercy of nature whereas I have conquered it.

>>2839629
Not to nitpick, but why no transfer pump at least? Carting 55g of water up a hill repeatedly seems like a cumulative waste of time and money

WTF does "off grid" even mean these days?

>>2839646
Anything from trust fund influencers to first world subsistence farmers
But generally, no mains electricity

>>2839646
its pretty obvious what it means. not being connected to public electricity, water and sewage lines. off the grid.

>>2833305
>Is off-grid living a wealthy person's hobby?
This or an extrem poorfag persons survival. There are people that lived deep off grid for decades without a residential adress or anyone besides some foresters knowing they even exist.

>>2839641

Maybe in time, but
Driving up a hill with a barrel in the bucket of the tractor I already have seems far simpler than running power and a pump from the bottom of the hill to the top.
Ovet time, I may set something up for when my batteries are full for the extra power the panels catch, but thats not needed, just something to do

>>2839646

Same thing it always has
there's the power grid, that connects all the ratepayers or customers who are tied into it.

if you arent connected to the power grid, you are "off-grid"

are you children so out of it this wasnt clear?

>>2839660
I went through 100 gallons watering pecan and apple saplings today.
Your efforts are wasted on trivial tasks.
Running a tractor up a hill day after day is no different than the rat trap of cubicle wagie life.
You could be spending that energy on improving your property, not being stuck just making it "work".

>>2839660
I mean… it’s as simple as a harbor freight pump and a garden hose.
But you don’t get to feel all rustic and such using those city slicker machines. How many hours a year would that save you, or gallons of diesel? Time you could spend on more important tasks.
Penny wise, pound foolish so to speak.

>>2839660
why dont you just put up a cheap roof up at yor storage tanks?
firewood or storage shed, a roof for some bee hives or a chicken coop, whatever else you could use there, doesn't need to be fancy. should at least cut down on your trips, depending how big it is.

>>2839577
The life expectancy was thirty because of high infant mortality, not because the average adult only lived to 30, you moron.
Do you really think humans were dropping like flies because every drink they took out of a river was a gamble with their lives?

Having running water and power-tools and tractors seems a bit indulgent to me - there should be a better term for it than "off-grid." Most of you ITT who are "living the life" are just posers - modern life with a different coat of paint.

>>2839705
“Off grid” gets conflated with the concept of self reliance and freedom; but if you’re still having to work for a salary to pay for food, fuel, equipment, etc — yes you’re right. It’s rural living with a few extra steps.
I’ve got a few acres and tons of forest adjacent to my land.. but I’ve got a mortgage, and bills too. Still beats living in town though.

>>2839704
>life expectancy =/= average lifespan
You illiterate dumbfuck.

>>2839704
Cholera has probably killed more people in history than everything else combined.
That said if you got past age 5 or so, and didn’t die giving birth, you could expect to live into your 70s. Cancer and heart disease were almost unheard of.

>>2839712
(I was wrong. Disregard cholera. Whoops. Midwit moment)

>>2839705
>>2839708
Most off-grid and preppers have this mentality that theyre living the Amish life in defiance of some cosmic modernity lifestyle when in reality theyre combining both worlds and benefiting from neither.

Dude hauling water up a hill with a tractor is a glaring example. Thats literally what slaves did 2,000 years ago. And actually just 200 years ago. Well, they still do it in Africa.
>for the record, the Amish have million-dollar combines they use to stay competitive. But they still teach the knowledge to not be reliant on them.

I have a place innawoods.
Im hooked to the grid because im not retarded.
I have rain barrels fed by gutters as well as a hand pump ala Little House on the Prairie.
And I have a 220ft deep well with a 1/2hp pump.
Its a comfortable little cabin that doesnt become a full time job to "function" as a comfortable little cabin.

>>2839683

dude there's a chip on your shoulder I dont get.

I dont associate the cost of the tractor with running water trips, I have it because I'm effective as hell.
It's a 19 horse diesel. Ive owned it 2 years, and filled the 3.9 gallon tank with diesel twice. It came with a full tank. Off road diesel around here is 3.50/gallon.
You do the math, jackwad, it's pretty cheap to run for water. I maintain a private road for 3 people with tractors once every other year when it washes out so we dont have to hire out grading and dumb shit

im glad you havs 100 trees and want to work to pay a truck to haul fucking water.
It rains where I live, and Im not dumb

eat shit for being such a douche, hope bugs and fungus get your trees.

>>2839705

your trolling
modern life with a different coat of paint doesnt contradict in any way with better than your life.

thats the point
if you live in bumfuck, and have a choice, its funny to laugh at you cucks who financed solar or who have a power bill and shit on us.

i grew up in a house with no AC because it was "too expensive"

i very much enjoy my ac. I run it a lot.

>>2839708

meant to quote this guy with the last post

but ohh, sorry for having a tractor.
off-grid was a choice, because being your own power utility is better.

do you not get that that can be real? If something breaks, I dont need to pay for a lineman, the truck or any of it? Thats just me?

you wouldnt want that if you could? for like... 3500?

>>2839892
Huh? Out needs poster IDs.
Using your damn tractor to haul 55g drums of water up a hill is just stupid anon. I don’t doubt you have a tractor or some solar generating capacity. But stubborn refusal to use the right tool for job is a special kind of retardation I don’t get.
>step one: cheap ass transfer pump
>step two: garden hose from pump to uphill tank
>step 3: turn on pump
Grats, no more unnecessary wear and tear on an expensive tractor, no wasted fuel etc.
(Fwiw while I am on grid, I run a lot of our 120v load through an inverter charger with some battery backup with the option to use our generator if needed. Power outages don’t really matter too much

>>2839896
He thinks you are me.
But I was trying to figure out a few things.

Does he lift a full 55 gallon drum onto the trailer every trip? Thats like 460 pounds.
Does he just tip it and pour it? Connect some fittings/hoses and gravity feed?
Or does he have a pump to transfer it once its at the top of the hill? (Lol).
No matter how you look at it, its a massive time sink on par with cavemen spending all day just gathering enough food to survive until tomorrow.

do you guys think i can siphon water out of my well? the water is 150' down but i have a big hill that drops that much over a span of 600'. i was going to just make a pond if it works. i was going to use 1/2" or 3/4" pex probably

>>2839949
No, I don’t think you can; the pressure needed to suck a column of water that high would vaporize it. If I’m not mistaken the highest you can move water like that is about 60’ (obviously look that up to confirm).
You need a pump to push water up from that depth

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>>2839950
>obviously look that up to confirm
im glad i did because youre retarded.

>>2839951
Scroll down.
10m/30’. I looked it up too after the fact. Your screen shot starts to go into the limiting factor.

>>2833438
>mowing lawns
All people I know who have a rural house with some land just call a local sheep farmer in to let the cattle graze.

>>2839951
Retard.

>>2839956
really? everyone i know doesnt want shit all over their lawn and lots dont even have their lawn fenced in. do the people you know utilize a shepard or do they throw up a hotwire fence or what?

>>2839956
>sheep
>cattle
Which is it anon? Goats?

>>2839955
Correct.
And thats minus whatever height you have the hand pump mounted at.
So if its 3 feet off the ground you can only pull from about 27 feet below the surface, regardless of pipe diameter or pump design/size. Its just physics.

>>2839949
That math doesnt work out for an aquifier. Your water table would look like a bell curve.

>>2839941

the tractor lives at the top of the hill so its not stolen

barrel in bucket, chain around front of barrel

~60 second trip up the hill when you are done using the tractor for whatever you were using it for

shut tractor off, crack valve, walk away

hate on notractor faggots.

>>2840208

two barrels, one lives at the top, one at the bottom. if you arent an ape of an operator, you can just ease the lip under the barrel.

the idea that an eighties 19h diesel tractor burns an appreciable amount of fuel or experiences measurable wear and tear from what I describe shows how out of touch you retards are.

"on par with a caveman"
right
i have the tractor, you are playing with a garden hose. Im the caveman.

i think you're a retard on the internet

>>2840209
You’re arguing with like 3 different anons.
Anyways, good luck!

>>2840209
>me grug
>grug carry water
>grug no need hose magic

>>2840210

nah, im more just not hitting reply on the right post just not giving a fuck

i forgot that this is in a nutshell why i stopped coming to /out/. it should be fun, but unlike the other boards there's a disconnect between being actually outside and posting on imageboards that ruins this that other boards arent affected by.

like, when you are talking /diy/ stuff, you can actually be doing stuff and advancing projects. on /o/, when you talk about bikes and cars, you actually are being into bikes and cars.

on /out/, when you talk about simply living, with no debt, the ability to save $500/week working an easy job you will get the world in a tizzy because you have the audacity to move a barrel with a tractor, rather than get a pump that's capable of 50' lift, ~150 prolly feet of hose, GETTING POWER to your pump, which you have conveniently ignored... like, its fucking dumb to even try here.

posting here is fundamentally not /out/, so the true nature of this board is the inherent contrary ugliness of /b/ with blue board creativity.

you people are losers

in addition, i have a pump inline before my water heater for my shower wired to a battery, 100w panel, and small charge controller. The tractor moves the barrel because it's easier.

It actually kinda feels like you've made it and are doing things the easy way to juat burn a single drop of off road diesel and lift a 450 lb barrel rather than wire up a hillbilly fuckin water pump setup next to my driveway and run hundreds of feet of hose.
again, thats what people who cant afford a tractor do.

>>2833305
>The only way to make it work off-grid is if you already have a real home.
Not true. Get a PO Box, live in the county, not city limits. Your jackbooted Nazi regulations may vay. Hell, people live in cars and cities try to outlaw that.

>>2840318
>unlike the other boards there's a disconnect between being actually outside
"Unlike" /k/ where <50% even own guns? Or /o/ where people ride the bus? You can still participate, even if you are not Danial Boone, daily trapping and fishing for dinner.

>>2839511
Thanks for the tip, I'll bring it up with him and see if we don't do something about it as next year's project.
Do you need to make any provisions for winter frosts, other than having the pump somewhere it won't freeze to pieces?

>>2840321
The amount of cope is off the charts.
You have an ancient $1,200 tractor. Wow, so impressive.
You waste time and effort on repetitive an menial tasks. Thats literally African tier.
And if youre actually able to complete it in 60 seconds like you claim then you have a shit ass water collection system that doesnt filter out biological or environmental pollutants.

>>2840368

you post on the internet posturing that 1200 dollars gets you a tractor with a loader and size enough to move around full 55 gallon barrels.

fuckin retarded, you are

>>2840323

thats the thing though, doesnt need to be everyone, a rising tide raises all ships.

here though? 0% of posters are actually enjoying the outside-the closest you can be is probably phoneposting somewhere wild, but even then, everyone has to admit pulling out a phone to check 4chan is the least /out/ thing one could do at the time.

so it sinks to the lowest common denominator here... if there is a value to what happens here through actual relevant content being posted in high quality posts among the ... other stuff that makes 4chan 4chan, it's least likely to happen here.

>>2833712
>decided I would rather ride my bicycle across the country as a nomad.
Been slowly deciding to try this. Can you describe your experience thus far? How do you support yourself? Been thinking about learning a trade like welding so I could manage something like this.

>>2840460
I literally just sold a 19hp Mitsubishi tractor for $1,200, dumbfuck.

Youre a clueless fucking urnanite moron that watched some reality TV show and decided to go out and buy land and has absolutely no idea what youre doing.
You've turned the most fundamental aspect of modern infrastructure into a daily task that our ancestors mastered 2,000 years ago.
Youve failed at the most basic criteria of homesteading.

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>>2840462
>0% of posters are actually enjoying the outside
Does your statistic include me? I was a heavy /out/ poster yrs ago, pic rel. In fact, /out/ was my homeboard. I live in the 3rd highest visited NP state, 2nd highest hiking destination in the, can reach my nearest trailhead in 5min, and my shooting spot in a 10min drive. I have 40acres with a log cabin, haul water and lived OTG for 3 yrs. I know how that life style will change you and your life, and recommend it to anyone. Unlike /k/ I own guns, unlike /o/, I don't ride the bus and unlike your estimation, founded in cynicism, I go /out/, was a SAR member for the county and solo most, in not all, hikes and overnights. But enough effort posting, I care to convince, flex or influence nobody. I will say your "0%" figure is flat wrong. And from a quick scan can find several threads with op doing thier /out/ thing.

>>2840483
>Youre a clueless fucking urnanite moron that watched some reality TV show and decided to go out and buy land and has absolutely no idea what youre doing.
At least he's doing it. Everyone starts dumb and hopefully gets better at "it", whatever it is. Criticizing someone's novice abilities does not make you a better person.

>>2840318
Anon.. you PUSH the water uphill via the transfer pump. A simple 12v harbor freight pump is up for the task. You already have power at the collection point, no?
The garden hose was an example, poly tubing would of course be better.
Of course do as you will, but at least try to understand the problem and that other solutions exist.

>>2840486
The issue is that he thinks what he has going on is the final solution.
Hes at the first stage of survival and touting it as some grand achievement. And hes been doing it for years. He has made it very clear he has no intention of doing anything differently.
I make advancements on my acreage monthly.
Hes clueless and is sharing bad information.

>>2840492
>Hes at the first stage of survival and touting it as some grand achievement.
Classic rookie mistake.
>Hes clueless and is sharing bad information.
Buyer beware, anyone getting anything free from the internet should use caution. Perhaps you don't give people enough credit to know this? Otoh,
>there is a sucker born every minute
I'm not taking personal responsibility for the world's idiots, but do have sympathy for them.
>>2840484
>>2840486

>>2840494
>have sympathy for them.
No.
Bad information causes needless suffering for the next guy at best, injury or death at the worst.
Idiocracy should not be tolerated. By humoring inept people youre doing a disservice to them and anyone who follows.

>>2840503
>By humoring inept people youre doing a disservice to them and anyone who follows.
I am not my brother's keeper. I have spent my whole life regarding my own safety, happiness, and development. Outside of my family or loved ones, I do not take authority or responsibility for others and will not accept your projection of the same upon me. Nor would I expect strangers to feel, muchless presume, authority over me. If you want to tell me to (ex.) "take more water", your message is heard, but don't insist that I listen past the first time. Your concern is noted, but your presumption of authority is rejected outright.

>>2840492

dude thats your assumption thats fucked up. i never said it was the best. i've said it is easy, quick, and cheap if you have the tractor, which I do. you freak the fuck out at this.

Well is probably this spring, maaaybe Nov if I get my shit together. I see no reason to run power down to the driveway, obtain hoses and a pump rig it all together from now till winter, then clean it all up again to do what the tractor already does great at... all to hopefully be a moot point by June or July at the latest

He's just trying to get a rise I think, but if so it literally is pretending to be retarded and calling it trolling.

I got septic complete, no debt, going into my third winter and havent paid a power bill since 2021.
I move water in the bucket of a tractor.

You be the judge on how I'm doing, if im retarded or a novice.
The appraised value of what Im doing has gone up 10x over what the original purchase price was.

I pointed out I do have the hardware to rig up differently if I want to this, and he tried to imply i dont understand pumps push.

theres not power to where the barrel gets rain, so his 12v pump is gonna need a battery lugged to it, generator running next to it, or 50 feet of extension cord permanently on the ground from the house, or a panel, controller and wire devoted only to it, all solutions which I dont like. I store the tractor up the hill, which to clarify is a single switchback on an old logging road, and somehow moving the barrel up with the tractor is caveman to him

whether trolling or whatever, my assessment is the same as it has been

fuckin retarded, he is

>>2840672
>You be the judge on how I'm doing, if im retarded or a novice.
Yes.
You've spent 3 years moving water with a tractor.
You got into this without a plan or understanding of what you were undertaking. The fact that you're STILL just like "ill keep using the tractor to move water because (someday) ill have a well" is blatant evidence that youre more on the retarded side than a pure novice. A novice with a brain would have realized years ago (literally) that the tractor is a waste of time and effort. And this is only one aspect of your situation that you've mentioned. Chances are theres another 50 like it.
And the fact that you dont even have a planned date for a well, its just "maybe in a couple.months, maybe in a year..." and yet youre content with the tractor is troubling and the odds are it will be another 2-3 years before you get a well just because complacency is a bitch and you've invited her into your life.

I dont wish you ill will but people.
like you have to be shown the error in their ways before they'll make a change. Im not going to coddle you with "oh cool man, ya that works, rock on" kumbaya bullshit.

And I hope you've actually gotten a quote for a well and aren't just at the "I've heard it runs about X amoumt" stage.
Mine cost me $9k, and that was with a 10% friend discount. And my water table is easy to hit. Another friend out west was looking at $50k (depth) and another friend up north spent almost $30k (rock).

Good luck but I really think you need to take a step back and look at what other people see, theres atleast 3 people mentioning your need for a pump itt.

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>>2840682
>oh cool man, ya that works, rock on!

>>2840682

i honestly wanna make room for you,
but you are a faggot


I live in mountains that would break you
the tree work I do for power bring you to your knees.
the rain I get would make you weep
you cannot understand what you refuse to

you retarded faggot
of course you truck water
otherwise you'd die
you did say back there you are still grid-tied no?
you're a colossal faggot

your numbers arent accurate, but im not gonna correct you

>>2840682

again, not gonna go too far because of how far youve doubled down on gargling cock

but where I live would break you.
neighbors well dug last year was 525 ft. for northeast arsenic water.
9k?
cute
faggot.
like i said, saving 500 a week, early next spring is likely.
i cant beleive how big of a fag you are
fuckin flatlander desert bovine excrement

>>2840462
Reddit is in ironically much better for out
R/homesteading
R/permaculture
R/wilderness backpacking
R/ultralight
Etc
Just ignore the compulsory weekly threads about
>as a solo female...
>menstrual help...
>as a black lesbian ...
And there's ten times as many knowledgeable posters. While you still get cunts that will descend upon you for any heresy, they rarely commit to a weekslong troll off like this place.
Also way fewer complete tards since they get downvoted and banned eventually. Just have to deal with a massive conformity circle jerk instead. Pick a poison.

>>2840492
Nobody cares.
Everyone figures out their own system.
Nobody is listening to one random guy on the internet as their sole source of info.
He has his system, why do you care so much. Just tell him once and move on. Dragged this thread down sperging over water barrels in an angry loop.

Anyway, my thoughts on
>>2833305
Primarily you need either
>remote job
>sufficient passive income
>a YouTube channel
>19th century standards
>live near a town you can work in and as such have access to the grid just opt not to because some odd hangup
To make it work.
Regardless, most people are better served being on grid and just living minimalistically, which is exactly what 99% of people who are interested in #slowliving actually do.

>>2840718
>Just ignore the compulsory weekly threads about
>>as a solo female...
>>menstrual help...
>>as a black lesbian ...
Wierd, I am.now obsessed with a solo, black, menstruating female hiker. But, knowing my luck, she will probably be eaten by a bear. Black bear, of course.

>>2840710
I think I broke the troglodyte.
5 paragraphs of ramblings and he hasnt proven a single thing i said as inaccurate.
Must have struck a nerve.

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>>2840734
>proven

>>2840718

that was my thought

no reason this thread had to become about how I move water, other than the inherent shittiness of /out/

>>2840734

dude you are the broken one.
I set my phone down for the night.

able to do things like, function for 12 hours without 4chan

fuckin wild thought, huh?

>>2840738

you absolutely waste more time being awful here than I do moving water. this board moves slow, don't expect immediate replies.

>>2840774
>I set my phone down for the night.
Lol.
>type out long winded ranting blog post.
>come back a half hour later and post a second long winded ranting blog post even though nobody has replied to the first one, or even posted in the thread.
Talk about some white knuckle seethe posting.
>never refute any of the critiques about your shit setup being shit.
What a fucking loser.
And whats the point of leaving your thermometer in the sun? Are you that stupid you dont even know how they work?

>>2840682
You come across as a complete faggot. The anon you're picking a fight with should run you over with his tractor.

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>>2840888

>>2840776

that thermometer picture isnt me. I live in the mountains,

you are still just a retard on the internet.
i'll check in again tomorrow morning to see... what I can inspire in the world.

have fun till then, you fuckin retarded faggot

>>2840888
I actually bought land, cleared it, built a cabin, installed a well, planted an orchard and can enjoy a hot shower at the end of the day.
The other dumbfuck African Zulu tier caveman is larping as a survivalist but cant figure out how to move water.
Brazilian favellas have better infrastructure than his home. Just think about that piece of reality for a moment.