So they've banned all hiking and camping entirely until october 15th in my province in canada to prevent "forest fires" do I just get a stool and a rope what do I even do anymore.
>>2833401I suggest watering the tree of liberty.
>>2833401Saw the news and couldn't believe it. The news story I read just used vague words like you have to stay out of "the woods". Any specifics on what that means? Crown land, provincial/national parks, personal land, the beach?Fucking dystopian.t.albertabro
>>2833401research places to go & fuck around with your kit, i guess
>>2833404truly I am going to but its just annoying cause gas is so expensive your instantly out 100-200 dollars on any trip
>>2833401>banned all hikinghow does this work? you cant just go for a walk?
Steve has quietly been teaching you how to do deal with this for years
>>2833401>banned all hiking and camping entirely until october 15th in my provinceImagine listening to the government
>imagine living in the east Couldn’t be me
>>2833401I thought you were joking.But you're not.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/hiking-ban-vehicles-wildfire-concerns-1.7019695I mean, being from a wild fire prone country, I'm all for banning ATVs and shit on bad months, but banning hiking and fishing?At the same time, we filled our countries with retarded sub-humans, so...understandable. (e.g. yesterday, prime fire season here, fuck huge fires in parts of the country and still some retards that live in my building decided to go make a fire to cook dinner on the abandoned, dried up, full of weeds and leaves piece of land on the other side of the road)Anyway...good luck anon, fines seem to be spicy...>>2833403> Any specifics on what that means? Crown land, provincial/national parks, personal land, the beach?According to the link I posted above:>The rules are in place for provincial Crown land Meanwhile in https://news.novascotia.ca/en/2025/08/05/travel-activities-woods-restricted-prevent-wildfiresit says:>These and other measures are in place on provincial Crown and private land until October 15But I'm sure anon will give you better details since I'm on the other side of the ocean.
The Nova Scotia government has announced it's banning hiking, camping, fishing and use of vehicles such as ATVs in the woods due to an elevated wildfire risk.Camping in campgrounds is still permitted, but trail systems through woods are off-limits under the new rules.The rules are in place for provincial Crown land until Oct. 15 or until weather conditions allow them to be lifted. The fine for violating the ban is $25,000.The public can still access beaches and parks, except for trail systems. Why did everything get so dystopian recently?
>>2833475Because they voted in someone even more tyrannical than Trudeau. Which is why I suggested >>2833402Also, mass import 3rd worlders, don't be surprised when you get 3rd world problems..
>>2833475>You vill live in ze pod and eat ze bugs! >You vill own nosing and you vill be happy!Hmmm....I wonder....
>>2833480I mean, unless someone is willing to a) violate the banb) get finedc) challenge the fineit will never go away
>>2833401very strange and the language is too wishy washy. even if this was in place in bc i would still sneak off anyway. just dont go to the places where normies usually go, is it that hard? surely if you are an /out/ist you know of better spots that wont be a target..anyway its pouring rain here on the west coast so i cannot relate LOL
>>2833491your literally not allowed to be caught driving on a forest road with equipment. There is not only major enforcement around here but every middle to upper class women between 35-and 65 is essentially a cop with this stuff and will call on you.
>>2833505>i dont own a car and walk everywherewalk in. problem solved ;)
>>2833505Get S1 to drop off and pick up at arranged time.
>>2833507what do you think they are just not gonna check me while i'm walking with a backpacking pack on its like 25k on foot to any lake or anything from the river I live on
NOT SO FAST CHUDDIE
>>2833543um fire bans are reasonable, CLOSING THE ENTIRE WOODS is not - unless it is, you know, actually on fire...
>>2833401Just do what you want since that is what the shitskins will do anyway
>>2833401>they've banned all hiking and camping entirely until october 15th in my provinceWhat.
>>2833401thank god /out/ is still open
>>2833611remember when they barricaded parking lots to prevent people from hiking during covid
>>2833612I remember clown world pics like this
>>2833401while you're waiting you could come to Boston and help vacuum up some of this toxic smoke
>>2833401Hello fren. They cant ticket me if they dont know how to get to me thru the old growth forest and blackberry vines. Fishcops will 100% get lost if they try
>>2833422fucking based
>>2833475>The fine for violating the ban is $25,000. CAD or Rupees?
Disregard the "ban" you fucking goy cattle slave
>>2833401lol what a cuck nation
>>2833543why does everyone think gaslighting works? It really doesn't.
>>2833475>$25,000 ban for walking>fireworks are OK, as long as you bribe usCanada is Loonie Toons these days.
>>2833818It's not enough to just ignore, you have to combat. All the people with fake vaxpasses didn't do shit, but the Canadian truckers got everything dropped within weeks.
>>2833401You East Coast cucks vote Liberal literally every single election. Are you really surprised that you're finally going full commie? What did you think would happen when you give a Liberal government limitless power for decades?
Embrace tradition. I haven't seen traveling the waterways banned.
I heard they are intentionally starting fires and they don’t want you out there catching them actually burning the trees themselves.
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FUG>>>/wsg/5943207
Is this mental illness or is it being paid?
>>2833818Have you looked at the amount of the fine?It's clearly made to be a great deterrent.Sure, you might not get caught, you probably won't get caught, but if you are caught...do you have CAD$25k (USD$18k, 15k €) just laying around for a fine you got because you wanted to go shit innawoods?Yeah, I personally wouldn't really risk it.>>2833827It works just fine. People are dumb and getting dumber.
>>2833947top paid bottom mental illness
>>2833617I'd heem the fuck outta them if I saw that. they wouldn't even see it coming
>>2833852giving the clown show in my usa a run for its money kek
All HIKING???Hiking is a human right thats fucking insane I would start throwing bricks through peoples windows. What the fuck is going on in Canada?
>>2834061they're based retards
>>2833412I want an explanation on this too. How is this legitimately enforceable? Anything that can't be enforced isn't a law.
>>2833927Yeah this happened last time there was a outdoors/woods ban in nova scoita a few years ago. The government burned people off their land. Anyone that could afford to rebuild got their property tax reassessed at 10× what it was before and forced to sell.
>>2833947The NS/Halifax subreddits are home to the most pathetic bootlickers I've ever seen. They will reflexively side with the govt on all matters, they worship authority. This hiking ban is a fucking joke, I have zero qualms about breaking it but all the places I like to go require a long drive/parking lot to be feasible to access. Literally robbing us of half of the two measly summer months we get in this dogshit country.
>>2833947>Can we all just remember a time when people were reasonable?
>>2833877its literally a prog consev gov rn my man.
>>2833489You just got one. A retired Canadian Armed Forces officer, Jeff Evely, deliberately violated Nova Scotia's ban on entering the woods and was fined $28,872.50
>>2834427ROFL!!You can't be both progressive and conservative, they're opposite positions! Maybe that's your guy's problem! You don't even have a proper language anymore, you're too deep into 1984!
>>2833927The Australia and California megafires a few years ago were also entirely started by arsonists, ironically pro-environment activists and academics to "attract attention" to "climate change". Today around 90-95% of western USA wildfires are started by humans, either by accident or on purpose. Historically it used to be the other way around, nature used to start 90% of wildfires, now its humans. This leads to the false assumption that fires are becoming more prevalent naturally, when actually they have been declining in natural occurrence since 1900 while human started fires have exploded in occurrence.
>>2833474>and private landthe fuck? they'll fine you for camping on someone's land with permission?
>>2833475Authoritarians went wild during the pandemic and most of the public applauded them loudly. Governments now know they can get away with pretty much anything and only a tiny fraction will feebly complain. Even today most people will say "well, yeah, but the pandemic was different" to justify their going along with enabling authoritarianism.
>>2833827>Apart from the massacres, deaths and famines for which communism was responsible, the worst thing about the system was the official lying: that is to say the lying in which everyone was forced to take part, by repetition, assent or failure to contradict. I came to the conclusion that the purpose of propaganda in communist countries was not to persuade, much less to inform, but to humiliate and emasculate. In this sense, the less true it was, the less it corresponded in any way to reality, the better; the more it contradicted the experience of the persons to whom it was directed, the more docile, self-despising for their failure to protest, and impotent they became.
>>2834481It's something called "Red Tory" which means they're control freaks but don't want the government to pay for the programs it enacts.
>>2833543Russia should just annex Canada at this point.
>>2834427>>2834516Yeah sure and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a real democracy.
>>2834514As if most people here don't blindly worship "muh private property". You all got what you wanted.
Import the third world, get third world policies. Truly insane that you are not mass protesting this, but I Canucks are really that subservient.
>>2833451Isn't BC even more liberal?
>>2834739Are you implying that Canada is comprised of just BC and "The East"?
>>2834485>This leads to the false assumption that fires are becoming more prevalent naturally,The Indians of the southwest would routinely set fire to pinion&juniper country just before moving on to new locations. They'd come back two years later and find lush meadows and grass lands. If anything, we're failing the ecosystem that humans and fire have been Integral to foe over 20 thousand years.
>>2833451>imagine thinking youre toughyou wont do shit airsoft boy
yea I'm just not sure I understand it man. pic related is basically a terrorist now
>>2834868The fuel load on the continent is also a lot higher than it naturally should be. A century of aggressive fire control has turned our forests into tinder boxes, because the fuel that should have been burning regularly hasn't had a chance to.
>>2834515This is why politicians are horrified if you demand they "Stop Lying".Lies are so central to their existence they panic if you demand that they stop lying.
>>2833451guns are for guys with small dicks
>>2834868>>2835001The SW Canadian zone forests take 300-600 years to fully recover from a single stand burning event. The ancient SW during both the little ice age (significantly colder and drier, c1300-1850 AD) and the Viking warm period (c800-1250 AD), experienced mostly small surface fires that avoided huge stand burns and canopy burns. The Juniper Pinyon "forest" takes as long or longer than the Canadian zone Ponderosa forest to fully recover. The deforestation rate of the modern period is higher than at any other time in the region in the current era, this is primarily due to human started massive canopy burning fires. The Canadian zone Ponderosa-White Oak forests of Arizona have existed continuously for over 10,000 years with minimal interference from humans (less than 50,000 human in the entire region for millennia), including through the Roman and Viking warm periods which were actually slightly warmer than today (200m higher tree line). Additionally, the conversion of forest to grassland actually dries out the local climate leading to desertification, even permanently. Even though the soils are rich and the elevation is sufficient for Canadian zone Ponderosa and White Oak forest to establish itself again, the climate is now too dry for those trees in areas that were wiped out by human activity and megafires. Studies have found that the ancient fires of the SW US were mostly ground and undergrowth burns of lower intensity, this is because the fuel loads were built up over decades without human interference and when a natural fire was started the fire mostly stayed on the ground where fuel was plentiful. This is exactly opposite of the modern (since 1900) firefighting strategy, which completely clears ground fuels and undergrowth, removing nutrients from the soil cycle and drying out the soil, and most importantly, giving fires more chance to shoot up the trees and burn stands completely (which takes at least 300 years for the forest to recover from).
>>2835273Cont.Additionally, almost all of the largest North America megafires since 1800, were started by humans on purpose or by accident (most on purpose). Including the midwestern and Oregon super megafires that burned tens of millions of acres over relatively short periods. The frequency of wildfires in modern times is higher than ancient times and the intensity or severity of the burns are significantly higher regionally. Western old growth takes over twice as long as some deciduous eastern forests to recover from a stand burning or total replacement event. Another factor is that the Juniper Pinyon forests in the SW are encroaching upon and replacing older Ponderosa-White Oak forests because of human activity, Juniper-Pinyon forests create a locally drier climate, and grasslands create an even direr climate than the Juniper "forests( they are actually shrubs, the only real Juniper "tree" form is Deppeana). You can see this desertification effect in areas of Arizona that were deforested (Ponderosa-Oak forests) in the 1900s and replaced by grasslands and Juniper shrublands that get half to 3/4ths as much precipitation as nearby Ponderosa-Oak forest areas, this creates a feedback loop where it become too dry for the Ponderosas and Oaks to recolonize those former forest areas now because Juniper has replaced them and the climate is drier in those areas now. Junipers can survive on half of the annual precipitation of Ponderosas at the same elevations, leading to Juniper replacing the Ponderosa forests and drying the area out longterm. Ancient fires were predominantly short term (within 50-100 years frequency), and predominantly low intensity (ground fuel burns). Modern fires are predominantly moderate frequency (gaining due to humans starting them often), and high intensity (stand replacement events, takes 300 years to recover from), megafires are also significantly more frequent now than previously even when the climate was warmer and drier.
>>2835274Cont.Another thing to note is that some areas (namely wetlands, riparian forests, and canyon forests) have not burned in over 200 years and this is natural for these areas. A human started stand burning fire in these areas takes longer than 500 years to fully recover. The Ponderosa-Oak forests of the SW US have existed continuously for over 10,000 years. During the LGM they were at lower elevations than today however as places above about 2000m elevation were Aspen and Spruce Taiga and parkland similar to modern NWT, Canada. In order to slow or stop deforestation from these massive stand burns you need a multifold strategy.1. Perform low intensity undergrowth burns, in the SW these areas burned only once (1 low intensity burn) in 50 or so years in ancient times. Even a once in 15-25 years prescribed burn can be ok for some areas. 2.Reforest the edges of the eroding edges of the forest and massively destroyed stand burned and replaced areas by planting the native forest species (in the SW, these are predominantly Ponderosa and White Oak, but also Maple, Sycamore, Alder, Deppeana Juniper, and Spruce/Fir). You can also expand forests areas from their edges into areas that used to be forest but are now Juniper scrub and grassland, this will improve climate conditions locally and help the real forest reclaim its old holds. 3. Raise awareness so retards don't accidentally cause huge stand burns that could take 500 years to recover from as often, and also raise the punishment for negligence of companies/corporations (eg power line or equipment fires) and for anarchists/arsonists.4. Restore wetlands and riparian areas, and stop allowing grazing in the actual forest and wetland zones, there are tens of thousands of sq miles of open grassland to graze them on.
>>2835277>stop allowing grazing in the actual forestwouldn't grazing help reduce the ground fuel? why keep them out of forests?
>>2835288They annihilate riparian zones and springs (drier soils and less retention, more turbid water, more chaotic flows ie flash floods and erosion, destroy biodiversity creating a feedback loop that makes the area drier and less and less productive), dry out the soil (compaction/disturbance, devegetation, fast nutrient cycling vs the natural slow cycling, reduction or destruction of spring productivity, destruction of vegetative and mycological and bacteria diversity), increase the growth rates of undergrowth (taller less diverse undergrowth after grazing, more prone to drier soils and crown fires), trample and eat the majority of saplings (way worse than any number of deer or elk could) which blocks an important forest replacement and expansion function, and destroys soil bacteria and mycology balance (another feedback loop leading to drier and less productive and sicker forests).
>>2833401suddenly, and for no reason at all the arrogant stealth camping bros went vevy quiet
>>2833401Start an uprising and put an end to all politicians
if i was canadian i would kill myself
>>2833401And only now did I, as a non Canadian, find out that Nova Scotia barely has wildfires worth mentioning, at least in the last 10 years (with 2023 being a complete aberration).I ask again, what the fuck?
>>2835924I mean, if it were a province that year after year after year found itself fustigated by enormous wildfires, sure, I could understand the idea, go full retard and see if something changes. Fair enough.But no.
>>2835924>>2835926Canada seems to be making the leap from nanny state to evil stepmother state.
>>2833401this is coming for BC and Alberta as well in the near future. RCMP and wild life officers will enforce it when they can but there's too much land to cover out here.
Have any of you stopped saying "me me me" long enough to realize this could be a good thing? What covid tourist will risk $25k to go on a hike? If it is successful and prolonged, lots of people will lose interest and we could be able to have some peace and quiet /out/ for once. Not too mention maybe we should give the woods a breather. Still, without doing any research, I'm curious if logging companies will also be beholden to these rules.
>>2836074>curious if companies will also be beholden to these rulesof course not lmao
>>2835273>which completely clears ground fuels and undergrowth>giving fires more chance to shoot up the trees and burn stands completelyok anon, now take a break and think for a moment what a bs you just wrote
>>2835924>>2835926>>2835934It was a ridiculous overreach they got away with last time because everyone here is a whipped pussy, so they'll push it farther and farther because that's what authoritarians do.
>they
>>2833401Listen goy, forest fires cant happen after oct 15th (the science changed) so get back in your fucking pod and wait.
>>2833545This was before when we could trust people to have any semblance of fire safety when it comes to camping.
>>2833401>So they've banned all hiking and camping entirely until october 15th in my province in canada to prevent "forest fires" do I just get a stool and a rope >what do I even do anymore.You grab or make a prohibited firearm and go out into the woods anyways and LARP as a stalker in the zone dodging the military and Monolith. Thanks to the RCMP and their bullshit you are not a mere hiker anymore, you are now a survivalist. Make the most of your situation and have fun.
>>2834616>Russia should just annex Canada at this point.Wrong. Canada is rightfully American land.
>>2833401I've travelled in Nova Scotia many times, gone to some of the best remote spots I've been in Canada there. There are some really beautiful places in there. And I cannot tell you how much I hate Nova Scotians, actually basically everyone from Atlantic Canada (and the west coast too). I've never had such vivid images in my mind of killing people than in Atlantic Canada. They are by far the dumbest, most self-assured, pearl clutching slow driving fucking FAGGOTS in the country, assuming we avoid talking about British Columbia. (Some leeway given to the old fishermen and guys who work the docks, who can be cool even though their IQ is fucking zero a lot of the time.) I'm born and raised very rural, very small place in northern Ontario. I understand that rural people are fucking retards in general, and they are very protective of their thing, but Atlantic Canada actually seems to be completely convinced that their history and rural communities are completely and utterly unique in every way, in spite of the fact that they check every single cliche I've encountered in every small place in this country. If Nova Scotia was a throat I would strangle it - which really does suck, because I adore the province's geography.>>2836061It's coming for every province, but Quebec will be next during this next summer's fire (paid arson) season. >>2833555Checked and fucking fact.>>2833489You have no concept of Canadian law. Someone else pointed out that Jeff Evely is challenging his intentional fine in court - he's going to lose. During the pandemic, one of the authors of the Charter brought a challenge to the higher courts that there were Charter violations around restriction of movement. They told him to fuck himself. This is not a real country.
>>2833451wow i had never noticed how bigger guns just have a small handgun hidden in them :D wow
>>2837338>Nova ScotiaWhat kind of cliches are we talk here anon? I’ve long thought about moving to NS specifically for its outdoors and I’m curious to know opinions on the locals
>>2834065>Anything that can't be enforced isn't a law.Fucking this.Just go stealth camping and bring with you more gas cans than usual since you gotta avoid making smoke. If nobody enforces shit, you're good.
>>2838455nta but I was there 20 years ago, and alcohol was forbidden to be sold on Sundays.
>>2834391>Shoplift $4.5k, sell it>Pay $1000 fine>Profit $3.5kGenius.
>>2834895She's wearing an airsoft bulletproof vest
>>2833401Buy a guitar and practice bluegrass
>>2838522I've been practicing this in day z
