IMHO Aragorn would be way better off with a crossbow than a short bow. Short selfbow is practically useless in an individual combat, and crossbow is both more accurate and more powerful for hunting but can be just as compact if well designed. Name other instances where wrong choice of /out/ equipment was promoted shamelessly in media.
>>2833759>can be more powerful but more compactNot in the year 500 of whenever the rough era of lotr is set. Also he’s a hunter on the move, he probably doesn’t want to be carrying around a goat foot lever or ratchet system.And even if it was technologically possible to make a smaller and more powerful crossbow in that era; that would just mean it would have fuck tons of bow force meaning that it would need special infrastructure to restring (anyone with a compound bow or serious weight crossbow would be able to talk about this)Compare that to a normal bow:>shoots just fine>kills just fine (just be a good shot bro, look what Legolas does)>hunts just fine (just sneak good lmao)>more versatile, lighter, easier to restringAs for the thread question; if they’d taken a bow to the camp in the movie Midsommer (instead of just a bunch of crying) it would have been a totally different story
>>2833764no, you just put a bow in a square slot like they do in africa
>>2833764>he probably doesn’t want to be carrying around a goat foot lever or ratchet system.a hand spanned crossbow can easily be made several times heavier than any bow, let alone a flimsy shortbow, without being more difficult to use.>>2833759movie producers love bows as weapons for women and "survivalists" because of implications that bows are easier to use than melee weapons, don't require strength and pass as an improvised weapon. of course none of those are true but the stereotype is so entrenched that it persists. on the other hand crossbows are depicted as either miniature or absolutely massive high tech weapons that are used by mercenaries/assasins or professional soldiers, stereotyped as a weapon of a sort of rogue who carries lots of specialized tools, gimmicks and doodads and is always well prepared and tricky. the class of more grounded and basic crossbows is almost entirely absent.>>2833766that one is for throwing lightweight poison needles, not bolts but medieval crossbows these copy the trigger from could be made completely out of wood and rope and remain very potent hunting tools or even weapons shooting proper bolts.t. /k/rossbow eggspert
>>2833772>that one is for throwing lightweight poison needles,I know, I just used it as an example of how simple a take-down construction can be. also that nigga above never heard about bastard nocks
>>2833759A crossbow has more weight and is more annoying to carry. A good archer also can get of 5+ arrows in the same time a crossbow has reloaded for a second bolt. And aragorn had like 90 years of practice with elfs to teach him.
>>2833772not to prod, but is the picrel your own?
>>2833778no, copied it from one of the forums, i'm not a great woodworker myself and can't really order one made so i just have a typical sporting one
>>2833776In the real world traveling logistics, and not "I'll walk for 15 days over open country with my trusted sword&blanket combo", a crossbow stock is just a club you put with your other stuff. Surely a gun is also more cumbersome than a skinny wooden stick, but I'd still prefer the gun.
>>2833794A club with an annoying T piece on top. A bow can just be wrapped into a bundle. Youre not running down a pack of orcs for 10 days with that. A modern gun is much better than a bow, which is why you'd prefer that now, but Aragorn wouldn't have that option on would he. The real big advantage of crossbows was that you could hand them out to some noob civilians, show them how to load it and point it at stuff and could expect them to have a fairly good chance of hitting something and taking down a much better trained and equiped man, while getting a good archer able to use a warbow took years of training.
>>2833801>A club with an annoying T piece on top.just take it apart bro. as for the difference over a shortbow, crossbow is both more powerful and more accurate. try both and you'll see for yourself
>>2833806Great, now when you need it you gotta fiddle with it even longer to put it back together, string it then load it. And again skill with something more minimal > gear faggingLook at the comanche wars. Horsemen with short bows gave colonists armed with guns a really fucking hard time, because they were incredibly accurate and had a much higher fire rate. They had to invent 6 shot revolvers to even the odds.
>>2833759I haven't read the book yet (starting it soon) but iirc from the movie he fought exclusively with a sword, so wouldn't it make sense if he carried a self bow for hunting food?
>>2833809>Look at the comanche wars. Horsemen with short bows gave colonists armed with guns a really fucking hard time, because they were incredibly accurate and had a much higher fire rate. They had to invent 6 shot revolvers to even the odds.Similarly, Steppe archers were a serious problem up until the invention of repeating rifles
>>2833809you are mixing apples and oranges. comanches were zerging almost equallly numerous opponents while riding horses . one footman with a shortbow is basically useless in a conflict. in hunting however, which is very slow and deliberate, and if feeding only one person so it makes more sense to shoot small animals, a crossbow is a way better option. or are you saying that crossbows are so clumsy they were never used in hunting? I'd just like to remind you, that in whole of Europe's history, the heyday of the longbow was hardly even a hundred years, while the crossbow lasted for more than five hundred.
>>2833810he only has a half-broken sword in the books, no bow at all, and I believe they rely on supplies carried by a pony. no apples picked in a barren heathland
>>2833811tbf, they also usually had very advanced laminated recurve bows. But the same principle, just with more penetration power. >>2833812Im saying it's stupid to take a crossbow to constantly walk hundreds of miles across half a continent, especially if youre a good shot with a bow. No shit crossbows were popular for european farmers to go into the bush and bag a rabbit. They went out to get dinner, not to track gollum up the anduin valley.
>>2833817>Im saying it's stupid to take a crossbow to constantly walk hundreds of miles across half a continent, especially if youre a good shot with a bow.It's just you who's stupid. Unless you're on a horseback you're simply subhuman to choose a bow over a crossbow for any reason or purpose.
>>2833809You got laughed out of /k/ for your idotic fantasies about horse archers, yet instead of actually moving on you shit up other boards with your drivel. Why does 4chan attact all the obsessive mentally ill trash so much?
>>2833841untrained peasant spotted>>2833844kek, imagine going to /k/
>>2833847>imagine going to /k/Imagine going to /k/ after being laughed at and BTFO from it repeatedly. Is there a more pathetic, lowly behavior than this?
>>2833806>orcs are coming over the hill!>ok just lemmie get my pack out and do some ikea assembly real quick>>2833766>just carry another block of wood bro
>>2833772People like bows because they’re elegant and take a lot of practice to become skilled, while crossbows are viewed as guns that shoot arrows. Most audiences like the idea of a hero learning to become an expert with a difficult weapon as it implies dedication and expertise. Legolas used a bow and no one in the thread complains about that.Also the lotr is pretty anti tech; the bad guys are the ones running factories, it wouldn’t make sense to give a romantic brooding hero a weapon that has its basis in mass production.
>>2833841Aragon should have been a drone pilot and Legolas should have sat in Mirkwood firing ICBMs
>>283390310 goblin archers would off an unarmoured Aragorn in a second if it ever came to that. contrary to popular belief, bows are not used by one against many, they are used by many against one
>>2833759he was an ultralight hiker. gotta save thouse ounces.
>>2833905>Also the lotr is pretty anti tech; the bad guys are the ones running factories, it wouldn’t make sense to give a romantic brooding hero a weapon that has its basis in mass production.but that's a meme. crossbows can be just as backwoods as any wooden bow, while composite bows are basically always made on a large scale in specialized workshops, no matter how slick and sexy
>>2833911I bet Narsil actually broke from batonning
>crossbows are heavy, bows are light and shietok hear me out: balealic slinger aragorn>ultralight>ammo can be picked off the ground>can make your own sling from any rope>incredibly lethal
>>2834000rabbit stick is infinitely better at close ranges
>>2833759>IMHO Aragorn would be way better off with a crossbow than a short bowskill issue, southron
>>2833772even a 40-50lb bow (average hunting weight) is gonna be significantly more powerful and effective than any crossbow you can possibly span by hand. draw length = power stroke, 26-30 inch draw on a bow is gonna be several times more powerful than any crossbow that is light enough to be hand spanned 6 inches or so. work = force x distance use your fucking brain mr eggspertt. guy who actually spends his time making and shooting wooden selfbows and crossbows
>>2834103again apples and oranges. Aragorn's short bow is no longer than a crossbow prod, only weaker and more erratic without a proper anchor point. it's really a toy. it can be argued quite easily that a foldable crossbow is also more portable than a single piece modern recurve or a classic longbow. imagine Haldir running around with his 2m stick, one hand constantly occupied. horrible
>>2834109nah, with a good stave of wood and good tiller you can get a lot of bend. better bowyers than me have gotten 26 inches of draw length out of bows as short as 38 inches nock to nock, there's also a wide range of natives that hunted with short bows. I know more than you
>>2834103>even a 40-50lb bow (average hunting weight) is gonna be significantly more powerful and effective than any crossbow you can possibly span by hand.wrong>26-30 inch draw on a bow22 inches is the extreme limit for a shortbow like that>any crossbow that is light enough to be hand spanned 200+lbs easily>6 inches or sonot only is this number bullshit that only applies to super heavy crossbows and is irrelevant to light ones but it is also the power stroke rather than draw length, making a completely inaccurate and dishonest comparison.the only activity you spend time on is making up lies and sucking miles of dick
>>2834114>there's also a wide range of natives that hunted with short bowsthere are natives that hunt with poison blowdarts. this doesn't make a blowgun as powerful as a hunting bow or crossbow. you only know enough to deceive unaware people.
>>2833759bro, crossbows are like liddaly the sign of industrialization. [spoiler] yes yes i know romans and earlier had crossbows and they all did engage in what tolkien would have foolishly described as "the machination of the wonder of divine nature" or some shit
>>2834114sure thing honey. I'm a bowyer too and you are talking crap. good luck with the finger pinch at that ridiculous ratio, not to mention stacking
>>2834116there is an obvious correlation between draw length and power stroke I shouldn't have to explain this to you but I'm convinced this is bait at this point. You using meters is all I needed to know that you don't go out and you have never hunted. Nobody hand spans a 200+ lb wooden prod. Enjoy your european urban hellscape nogunz /k/ommando
>>2834114>there's also a wide range of natives that hunted with short bowswhat they hunted and how they hunted is vastly different from how a single person would hunt. e.g. they would hunt from numerous blinds simultaneously, all of them the single same deer to feed the whole village, or shoot buffalo from horseback. native tactics are goblin tactics
>>2834118they are literally used by pygmies in the african jungle and in indochina. your mind is overflowing with memes
>>2834120>Nobody hand spans a 200+ lb wooden prod.https://youtu.be/EjDnHU9LQII?feature=sharedcall your mommy to wipe your nose. this retard is wasting our time
>>2834123Guys why didn’t Aragorn use a crossbow that he has to sit down and use his legs to span?! It’s so much more utilitarian
>>2834125in a real situation, it is. sitting also makes your shots more stable, your silhouette is smaller, and it takes less movement to shoot, drawing on an animal is the hardest part
you guys have watched too many action movies. a real ranger is like a snake sitting under a rock, patient and invisible
>>2834120>there is an obvious correlation between draw length and power stroke I shouldn't have to explain thisyou directly compared draw length to power stroke to promote your bullshit and you deserve to be shit on for this. you didn't talk about correlation, you deliberately misrepresented the numbers for your fallacious talking point. you're a disgusting slime and the only thing you learned from your crack whore mother is how to lie to people, yet you even fail at that.>ou using meters is all I needed to know that you don't go out and you have never huntedwrong on both accounts, double nigger.>Enjoy your european urban hellscape nogunz /k/ommandoyou're the laughingstock of /k/, the bottom bitch and the dumpster diver that gets shit on every time you try to peddle your bullshit. talk shit when you stop being a pathetic mentally ill bitch shilling the same disproven lie over and over like a seething shitskin hoping you get a pass someday unnoticed.
>>2834118industrialization? really?
>>2834175stop seething post guns post successful hunts
>>2834204will you livestream killing yourself if i do? of course not, you've never kept to your word in your entire shitskin life.
>>2834204This isn’t >>>/k/, tourist. Post the outdoors.
>>2833759You're overvaluing technological sophistication and penetrating power. If your shortbow breaks, you can easily make a new one in a day. If your crossbow breaks you're fucked unless you carry spare parts. You're also discounting his familiarity, amount of practice and mastery of technique. He'd shoot daily just to eat. Most of his targets are going to be either unarmoured game or (in most combat situations) lightly armoured goblins and orcs. Finally, you're forgetting that the bow isn't his only weapon and it's not a vidya game where you don't have other skills to enhance your loadout opportunistically. He has a two-handed sword for things it's ineffective against. He can also make spears for throwing/reach thrusting with minimum effort.
>>2834287>If your shortbow breaks, you can easily make a new one in a day. If your crossbow breaks you're fucked unless you carry spare partsa crossbow is infinitely less likely to break because it cannot be owerdrawn, unlike a crappy bow without a real anchor, and then you make an even crappier unseasoned green short bow. not to mention arrow vs bolt logistics and expendability, a blunt bolt fletched with a piece of bark is 10 times cheaper than a tiny arrow delicately matched to the bow, and both are equally easy to loose in the brush, only the bolt hits harder and with more accuracy
>>2834292Hadzas use long-ass arrows exactly for this reason, they are easier to find and retrieve if they get stuck, and can be recycled if only the tip breaks. but that's a different game altogether. if you are improvising a bow it's way better to improvise a longbow, perhaps carry only arrows around
>>2834000sounds like the weapon of a hobbit
>>2833759Short bow is better and you have no idea what you are talking about you retarded pseud
>>2833772>a hand spanned crossbow can easily be made several times heavier than any bow, let alone a flimsy shortbow, without being more difficult to use.holy fuck you braindead subhuman lmao
>>2834103you are right but really shouldn't waste your time arguing with these subhumans bro>>2834116>making up lies and sucking miles of dickthat's your specialization from what I see
>>2833776>A crossbow has more weight and is more annoying to carrypretty much this, crossbows are one of the pieces of weaponry which is harder to carry around. Not because of the weight, but because of the shape- Modern crossbows are specially bad because they all have pistol grips which makes them taller too.
>>2834000>need to train for 10 years everyday to hit shit
You shorties are NGMI. Ishi was an expert shortbow user and out in the wild he couldn't sustain himself without the rest of his tribe, even in the game and fish rich land like northern California. When they found him by the coral he was emaciated and fully submissive, you'll end up the same.
>>2833905>bows ... take a lot of practice to become skilledLiterally not. Have you retards ever used a lightweight bow? It is very simple and you're hitting 18in targets at 20yd by the fourth attempt.>it takes some skillSlingers had lots of time to practice hucking rocks with a leather pouch on a string.
>>2835385>>2835386>the faggot crawls back to samefag and seethein the olden days bitches like these were stoned to death.
>>2833759The overwhelming majority of hunters throughout human history have used bows. They work fine.
>>2833766>>2833772>afticaSo they're accurate, crossbows are for orcs
>>2836098by that logic he should carry an M4 since this is what white people currently use.
>>2833914kekGimli's axe saved them from cold soaking every meal
>>2836101>soakingWere they Mormon?
>>2833759he would have been even better if he were real
>>2833766I'm confused - how does this fire?
>>2836131there's a notch for the string and a pin that pushes it out connected to the lever on the bottomsee >>2834176
>>2835792they work fine in a communal effort hunting larger animals, and opportunistically for the smaller but that is never the basis and failure is not critical. that's the whole point of this thread. projectile weapons as such are not the best choice really, but for the sake of discussion let's just keep it at that. in fact fishing would be the most logical choice for an individual, I believe that's how they do it in SIberia. nobody bothers with hunting, they just throw a small net across the stream, check in the morning and pick up food. a net packs very compact and is not shot out and in need of constant replacement, like projectiles of any sort are
>>2836131it's upside down, that picture shows trigger at the top. this pic is similar to how it works
>>2835792The overwhelming majority of peaole throughout history were lucky to make it to 30 years old. After watching 3 out of 5 of their children die before they hit 10 years old.
>>2835524He sounds like an unbased injun. Why didnt he fish or just have the eagle drop him off a sandwhich?
>>2837143And they would have lived to 75 if they’d had a crossbow from birth?
I always hated crossbows...
>>2835511Luckily for him Aragorn is like 100 years old and descends from super-human numenorians.
>>2833764>hunter on the movesomeone doesjt into lotr lorehe's quite literally apart of a group of rangers that protect the shire in secret because they cant protect themselves
