Would you like to live in mountains?
>>2837377It's better to live in a basin or plateau next to the mountains. Easy access to them still and you don't lose out on on modern conveniences. Living in mountains is fun until winter hits then it stops being fun unless your town is large enough to self sustain itself. Constant road closures, avalanches, and other shit really gets old fast unless you're along a major route and the state keeps it cleared promptly
>>2837377not permenently I think. would prefer a small coastal town I think
>>2837377I'd rather live IN mountains, if you feel me.
>>2837393>dwarven sausage fingers typed this postNice try gimlee, son of glorm. Are you going to have my iron shipment or not? Back to work short-stack
>>2837382That's the right play. You get to enjoy outdoor recreation in the mountains without having to deal with the disadvantages first-hand. It's similar to how people west of Cleveland seldom have to deal with snowstorms but will drive east of Cleveland to enjoy winter recreation AFTER the roadways are cleared of snow. Meanwhile eastsiders have to deal with the worst of it first-hand kek.
>>2837377I live i a valley but I am 5 minutes away from the mountains. thats the best.
>>2837408How is the climate different in the same city?
>>2837405That's going in the book.
>>2837382the plateau is rougher than the mountains here - it gets more snow in the winter except up on the highest peaks of the ridge and valleyI do love the plateau but I'm not sure WHERE I want to live cuz it extends longitudinally, and if you are near one part you are far from another - it goes from NY to Alabama.
>>2837377I'm obsessed with mountains, but such tough terrain 24/7 is a bit too much when it comes to both survival and getting old.
>>2837382The Las Vegas valley is at about 2000 feet above sea level.Peak of Mt. Charleston is nearly 12,000 feet and less than an hour drive.I look forward to the collapse of Vegas and it becomes a tourist destination like Vail or something.
>>2837377I live in the mountains
>>2837393based
>>2837377i would love to live in a town like this in a house like in the picture.i plan on trying it out and if it doesnt work for then i'll simply move. at least i can say i attempted.
If you live beside a mountain, you might just end up under it.
>>2837382>It's better to live in a basin or plateau next to the mountains.Basically my setup. We get some snow but nothing compared to the actual mountains and it isn't constant, we have weeks at a time where it's just around freezing but dry, and my city is 100k people and has a Costco etc. so you're not forced to go anywhere far.
>>2837474You live in Bend. Don’t you?
>>2837382>tfw colorado front rangeBe careful what you wish for
>>2837382>>2837490>tfw wasatch front
>>2837490meanwhile I'm here in leadville watching you guys drive 5 hours each direction in bumper to bumper traffic to spend a couple hours per week enjoying the "lifestyle" you moved here for but almost never get to really experience.
>>2837393Based subterranean.
>>2837377I do and I do
>>2837520
>>2837476Near it.
i prefer something more like this
>>2837600The roundabouts are a dead giveaway sisters bro. (Greetings from cottage grove)
>>2837615kek yeah they spam those fucking things like pylons in starcraft. That pic is actually from the new Costco gas station. I'm just outside SE Bend so I have to drive through a million of them to get anywhere in town.
>>2837377I'm moving to PA soon to do just that. Fuck the south, its dead.
>>2837405Thats soin of Gloin you uncultured leaflover
>>2837643Son* god Im dumb
>>2837521I'm sorry, anon.
>>2837645Why?
>>2837521is that shastacola?
>>2837681Mt. Shasta, from McCloud
>>2837377I already live in the mountains. I'd like to live somewhere subtropical tbdesu.
>>2837686Seen any ufos?
>>2837707I have not. I see lots of satellites. I can see the milky way when the sky is clear. I'm far enough away from city lights that it comes out nicely. I've seen "strings" of star link satellites several times. Shooting stars, stars and planets, aircraft with FAA lights. But no, no UFOs. I've heard that they're supposed to be common near Shasta, so I'm a bit surprised and maybe a bit disappointed.
>>2837709Wishing you luck. It's pretty neat when you really can't make sense of the way something's moving in the sky
>>2837382you already know how to get through the winters if you're from there i think the biggest problem is that people are such irredeemable annoying hicks even for a local
>>2837642>PA>mountainsyou picked like the smallest peaks of the appalachians
>>2837788Smart move, most flatlanders want to go straight for the real stuff instead of taking advantage of being able to appreciate any old hill
The mountains around Juneau seem nice.
>>2837687>>2837391i feel like coasts and subtropics are something only lowest common denominator are attracted to
>>2837847Have you ever even been to a coast? It's inspiring staring out at the expanse, doubly so if done from some elevation
>>2837850that's more seafaring most people only like the coasts because they're memed as hedonism centres, beach = party, opportunities to dress scantily and less fluctuations of temps the sky is also an expanse and the stars are more visible up in the mountains
>>2837854lets call it socialization centres
>>2837847Trolling should have at least a tiny bit of effort, come on now.
>>2837788enjoy this 900 ft gorge - courtesy of Pennsylvania>>2837807PA has a fuckton of public land and trails - though many don't lead to anything particularly scenic - but the sheer breadth of public trails in the wilds region is impressive,
>>2837847Depends on the coast IMO. Definitely true of the warm beach kinda places but wild northern coasts are pretty cool, I like those Maine or Alaska kinda places where the mountains turn into sheer cliffs against a cold, unforgiving sea.
>>2837847You have to be 18 to post here
>>2837891i mean those are the kinds of places i'm thinking when coastal places are brought up against being in the mountains yeah sure there are coasts in alaska, siberia and antartica but those people won't have a problem with the mountains
It takes a certain sort of crazy person to live in a place with 20% less oxygen and snow on the ground 10 months out of the year. We drink a lot of booze and spend a lot of time home alone. We know every time we drive somewhere it could turn into a life or death situation. We're comfortable in the woods and wilderness where other people would panic and die. A lot of eccentrics and criminals live in mountain towns, but all of us know how to survive on our own. Very self-sufficient. It's not the sort of place you can just move to and immediately be accepted. The people who've lived here for decades are going to ignore you because we know 99% of you won't stay a year. You can't hack it. Either financially or emotionally or both. A person in the mountains needs to be able to take care of themselves and have enough left over to help others. Most people simply can't do it.
>>2837912>listing financially as first reason for not hacking itOk rugged starlink WFH mountain man
>>2837917fuckin KEK
>>2837912About 10% of people gets light altitude sickness from taking a cable car up to 2000 m where there's 20% less oxygen and that's mostly because cable cars go fast. That means most people would have no problem with oxygen in a village deep into Alps.
>>2837377>Would you like to live in mountains?my grandmother has a house in the Austrian Alps near the Italian / Slovenian borderit's near a little, mostly hotel / tourist, village at ~1200mbut like a 100m food path from the street (and parking), so it feels more remotei go there every winter for a few weeks to Ski, during some vacations to hike or just for a week to work remotelygot 1Gbit fiber like 5y ago, which made it viable to actually work therespend over half a year there during covidI probably inherit it one day (my grandmother literally dislikes or hates every one of my siblings / cousins)but living there is tedioussupermarket is far away, no public transport (outside high season), people / friends are far awayat least no mandatory wood chopping anymore, there's still a wood stove for heating but heat pump can do it as wellit's awesome for a getaway for a month or so though
>>2837917>Ok rugged starlink WFH mountain manmost of us own businesses. We're wealthier than you. We build houses and pave roads. We plow snow and landscape the VRBO's you stay in. You couldn't do what we do. You probably couldn't figure out how to register a business let alone run it.>>2837943a statistically significant number of visitors to my town die from HAPE and HACE
>>2837943>2000 mdouble that, and come see me. Yes, you can survive here. If you're young and healthy. It'll hurt, but it probably won't kill you.Personally I have a chest 20% bigger than normal, and about twice as many red blood cells as normal.
>>2837949Asia or South America?
>>2837949It must be very unhealthy
>>2837953colorado>>2837954>It must be very unhealthyI can run 100 miles in your area without breaking a sweatbut yeah, at my altitude I have strokes and will die a good 20 years younger than you.
>>2837948My friend I wouldn't trust you with building a fire, everything you've posted screams white-collar transplant larp
No. I just got back from a trip to the mountains. My state, which is rated very low for /out/, is by far my preference.
>>2837377I do. It sucks.
>>2837958Walked em like a dog
>>2837886I mean I live in PA, so i'm aware. Granted I'm in Western PA which i'd argue is worse than cental/eastern for /out/. Regardless it doesn't even compare to WV, VA or NY. If your goal is walking in the woods then yeah PA is pretty much a great place, but i'd never recommend it for people looking for "mountains"
>>2837958Usually when we send search and rescue out to save a tourist it's someone like yourself. overconfident. Incapable of taking advice or heeding warnings
I want to live deliciously
>>2837382The mountain forests of Colorado are more beautiful than the arid open valleys, but I agree with your premise that they are much less inhabitable. Picrel is one of the trails in my mountain (valley) town.
>>2837949Living at altitude and enduring the mountain weather definitely makes a person more hardy than living in some balmy lowland climate. I've ascended as high as 4500 meters with no issues. Picrel Sierra Negra, Puebla, Mexico. 15000' elevation.
>>2838061>We we we weYeah sure buddy, nobody actually from anywhere and not desperate to be perceived as a member of the in-crowd does this
>>2838124>nobody actually from anywhere and not desperate to be perceived as a member of the in-crowd does thisI am telling you there is no "in-crowd."you won't last here because you're not mentally or financially fit to survive without the support of others. That's literally the opposite of an in-crowd.
>>2838088>I've ascended as high as 4500 meters with no issues.altitude is weird. We have a certain percentage of people that have lived here for their entire lives that suddenly get sick and have to leave. I've been here 35 years and could develop severe altitude sickness at any time and have to leave.
>>2838130>I am telling you there is no "in-crowd.">here's how WE treat outsiders>here's what WE do (ALL business owners, VRBOlords, yknow normal mountain man stuff) >YOU can't hack itFlatlander caught mountain madness huh
>>2838132"We" are not a homogenous group of like-minded people."We" are loners, looneys, drunks, and criminals, most of whom have nowhere else to go. The only real common denominator is that we're extremely self-reliant.
>>2838133What's the monthly from your trust fund
>>2838061>>2838130>>2838133I'm going to be real with you. I'm on a SAR team with multiple MRA accreditations. MANY of our calls are people like you.I understand that you won't understand any of that. You need to stop, sit down, think.You need to do better.
>>2837954There are actually studies that moderate elevation (about 1800-3000m, roughly 20-31% thinner air pressure) can actually extend human lifespan by a small but statistically significant percentage, based upon atmospheric pressure and mice longevity. The best overall elevation is about 2000m (eg Flagstaff, AZ life expectancy of 83.8 years for non-hispanic whites in average to above average income neighborhoods, these neighborhoods are not near the college). Both hypobaric and hyperbaric environments to a certain extent can have health benefits. The issue in many mountain towns is that there is widespread economic destitution, lack of affordable comfortable housing, and poor social habits which can contribute to earlier than normal deaths.
>>2838135I've never heard of a local getting rescued. I've seen thousands of outsiders though.>>2838143I don't doubt that socioeconomic factors in the mountains kill people, I've seen it first hand lots of times. But just from a straight physiological standpoint we have much thicker blood leading to strokes and heart failure as well as normal stuff like pulmonary edema and other lung problems. We also have a much higher cancer risk from greater exposure to sunlight. The lack of oxygen results in lower birth weights and all the complications that go with that. There's a lot of health risks that arise directly from living in the mountains.I live significantly higher than "1800-3000m" though. And that's a significantly different range of altitudes when it comes to human health. I don't know anything about lower altitudes, but above 10k feet I expect lives are much shorter except in cases like the Andes or Himalaya where people have been living there for thousands of years.
>>2838143there's also a question of whether our suicide and substance abuse rates arise from our climate and altitude. Similar climates in alaska or russia tend to have the same problems, and I think it's fair to say depression and substance abuse are heightened just by the climate and length of the days. Though undoubtedly other factors such as lack of jobs and entertainment as well as being dead-end towns that attract people in crisis contribute to poor outcomes.
>>2838143and of course there are literally hundreds of studies linking low oxygen and depression. And hundreds more linking lack of sunlight and depression. Both significant problems at altitude.
>>2838143There's also a selection bias in that people who can't survive at altitude don't stay there. It's a fairly large number of people and that number goes up the higher you go and the longer you stay there.
>>2838155anecdotal evidence of this-I work in heavy industry at altitudes ranging from 12.5k-13.5k feet with companies that hire thousands of people from all over the world every year.of those new hires, it takes an average of 5 days to acclimate to that altitude. About 1 in 20 will fail to acclimate and be sent home. About 1 in 500 will end up in the hospital fighting for their lives, and will never be able to go back that high again.
>>2838156Approximately 0.3% of workers that live at those altitudes for over a decade will develop HAPE or HACE, often after spending most of their lives there without problems. Those people don't tend to die at altitude, we ship them to lower elevations and they usually recover. They don't live in the mountains after that though. They're selected out of our mortality rates because they can't live here ever again.
Two bots arguing using AI search results......
>>2838143Then there's the fact that people at high altitudes are usually treated for things like hypoxia and Seasonal Affective Disorder, so improved health outcomes at altitude might simply reflect the fact that most people wind up on supplemental oxygen and UV therapy and perhaps have higher oxygen and sunlight levels than anywhere else because of that.
>>2838160>Two bots arguing using AI search results......yeah, because nobody on 4chan lives in the mountains and has a better than 8th grade educationthat would be crazy.
>>2837377The plus side of living in the mountains is I bought a house on land here 24 years ago for $100k US and now it's worth well over a million. So I effectively got paid $50k per year just to live here on top of what I earned working.The downside to that is if I sell the house there's nowhere else I'd want to live that costs less.
>>2837912>snow on the ground 10 months out of the year.maybe like 3
>>2838164What have your property taxes done in that period? Im on F2 (basically zoned light use forest land) and while our property taxes are super low; being in a blue state (Oregon) they could go parabolic at any time to fund illegals having litters of goblinas and funding programs to teach retards to play fetch.It’s a ticking time bomb.
>>2837377Not really. The mountains are heaven outside tourist season - May, June and September, October. If the weather is good. Chances are 50/50.July and August are hell. Foreigners and idiots galore, telling you what to do, how to drive, where to walk, how to behave in the "dangerous" mountains. You tolerate them because they make you money.Then you have the wet months. Can be anywhere from September to December and March to May. Nothing but endless rain or melting snow. With nothing to do, no place to visit and a house that smells like fungus.First snow is fantastic. So is hunting and skiing. Until the outsiders show up around Christmas and in February. They make us money so we pretend we like you. I mean them.In between there's utter boredom. We hate you.
>>2838233I thought you were leaving 4chan>>>>>>>
>>283815612.5k seems to be kind of a "magic number," it's the legal limit for flying an airplane without some kind of supplemental oxygen as well. I assume that number came from some kind of research that found that enough of the population couldn't handle it.
>>2838202where I live it snows 12 months out of the year but only stays on the ground between October and May or June.>>2838203>What have your property taxes done in that period?Gone from a few hundred dollars per year to a few thousand. Currently I owe about $5k per year. I pay by escrow though so all I see is my mortgage payment went up a couple hundred a month.>>2838245Yeah I'm not sure what it is about 12.5. It's just above timberline in my area. I've noticed it's high enough that I personally never get completely used to it. I'm fine doing physical labor at 11k, but when I go up another thousand or two I start getting visual disturbances and classic hypoxia symptoms during exertion. I'd guess you're right regarding how it was chosen as a cutoff.
>>2838233I like the tourists but I hate the vehicle traffic. Travel times double in the summer, and what used to be a fun drive through the mountains turns into an annoying crawl staring at somebody's bumper for hours.
>>2838245The other thing I notice is that there's plenty of houses in the 11k-12k range but essentially nobody living year round above 12k. Part of that is climate, the weather is bad above 12. Part of it is lack of building sites and roads. But I suspect a lot of it is just that it hurts to do anything that high and the risk of severe illness goes way up.though between ski areas, mines, and forest service trails that need maintained, there's a shitload of people that work above 12k every day.
>>2838202I guess you've never spent time in/around actual mountains? The mountains I live next to had snowfalls until late June (pic related, from June 21) and still have snow on them right now, and they're only 8-9k ft, it's no surprise that there'd be snow on the ground all year at 11k+.
>>2838258He might be closer to the equator or the coast also. Where I'm at we always get snow on Halloween, usually several feet. We get snow over spring break, again often several feet. It usually snows on the fourth of july here. The only months we don't get regular snow are august and september, but even then light snow storms are still possible. In the months when we don't get much snow we get hail. Sometimes several feet of hail on the ground. Couple years back we got hit with 3 feet of hail in a single fast storm in July. It took 2 days to melt off.we have amazing snowboarding and skiing though. You can ride year round but it gets a bit crusty in the summer.
>>2838258what is this the fucking ice age what are you on top of a literal glacier or greenland or the poleswhatever happened to greenhouse effect
>>2838278apparently at higher altitudes the air is thinner so it doesn't insulate as well and it gets colder.It's weird. What was god thinking?then there's this thing called a rain shadow, which causes all the moisture in the air to fall out as it goes over a mountain range, so mountains are not only really cold, but often very wet. It's probably magic. In some places it'll be like 90 degrees F on the plains and a couple miles away there's snow on the mountains.
>>2838282that's fresh after a rain and trust me that snow is not staying around unless it's winters
>>2837377I already do, it's comfy as shit when it's not fucking on fire.
>>2838298It's on fire right now bro :(
>>2838258>>2838278If you live in a true mountainous area snow can fall every month of the year. t. lived in the Sierras
>>2838304not my part (for now)
>>2838283>>2838283>that snow is not staying around unless it's wintersI took this in July, and as I said in an earlier post these mountains aren't even that high and I'm not that far north. The other anon's pic is probably early spring but a decent amount of snow can absolutely stick around for a while. Like I said before, it's almost September and there's still a significant amount on the mountains where I am, and a lot of the high elevation trails here don't even open until late June/early July and probably still have some snow patches around them too.
>>2838305Yeah I can believe it. We get like 3-4 months where there's almost no chance here in the Southern Cascades but the other months absolutely get mountain snow and we can get it here in town anywhere from late Sep to early May. >>2838304Are you where I am? We've got one NW of us and another SW of us and the winds are almost always westerly here so we're fucked. I've got a campout next weekend like 5mi from one of them and I'm worried it's gonna get canceled or be a smoky nightmare because of it.
>>2838313yeah but definitely not 12 months of snow precipitation because it does thin out even completely in warmer years if not it would be a solid block of ice
>>2837377Looks dope.
>>2838337My area gets snow 12 months out of the year but it melts immediately in the summer.we say, "we got snow but it didn't stick."Usually it's in the morning but sometimes it's during the day. In the summer it melts off as soon as the sun comes out. Temperatures in the summer vary from right at freezing to highs of about 80F.I've never seen it go over 80 degrees in the summer here. That's about as hot as it ever gets where I live. When it hits 80 degrees I'm sweating and dying because I'm used to much colder weather. It takes me a few weeks at lower altitudes to get used to the heat. On the flip side we get really cold in winter. -15F is normal and I've seen temperatures much lower. We hit -35F a few days every winter. Cold enough to destroy vehicles and kill livestock and pets.
>>2838337>>2838344the winters are no joke in the mountains. I have a fairly small house but it costs me $350 per month to heat in the winter. And that's low. A lot of houses cost more than $500 per month to heat in the winter, and winter is most of the year.
>>2838344>Cold enough to destroy vehicles and kill livestock and pets.another interesting thing about the high mountains, most of the large animals like deer and elk leave during the winter. They go lower because they can't survive the temperatures and can't find food with all the snow on the ground. Animals that survive year round here live under the snow during the winter. Most of them are small, mice and voles and weasels and squirrels and marmots. Bears survive at high altitudes but they hibernate here. Mountain lions and foxes and coyotes fuck off to lower places. Oddly enough we have a few reptiles that survive our winters. Tiger salamanders and boreal toads and western terrestrial garter snakes. I think they both burrow below the frost line during the fall. Which is amazing since the frost line here is almost 12 feet down. Some reptiles survive here as eggs during the winter. We get spring peepers, frogs that live for a few months in the summer, lay eggs, and then die.
>>2838347we get the usual assortment of insects in the summertime, but afaik there's only one arthropod that's active in the winter. We get snow fleas, a type of springtail that can survive in freezing temperatures. All the other bugs and spiders either head inside my house in the fall or die. Or go dormant for the winter.
>>2838344theres urban sprawl and cars everywhere the streams and waterfalls are drying it's not a stranded mountain pass that has snow all year god
>>2838349I live on a mountain pass that has snow all year, yes.There's always patches of snow somewhere above timberline in Colorado, all summer long.you're right about urban sprawl though. I'm over 100 miles from the nearest real city. But when I moved here I had 2 neighbors and now I have closer to 200rich people from california have been moving to the colorado mountains for a long time, and they're building houses all over.
>>2838349If you're talking about Lassen or Shasta or Hood I don't know. I grew up around those mountains but I left as a kid and never went back. My guess is they're getting built up just like Colorado is.
>>2837377No, because that's where landslides happen. Give me sone nice flat ground please.
>>2838351Not sure about hood, but Lassen and Shasta are both melted except for their glaciers right now. Which is typical for this time of year.
>>2838467they don't have glaciers, they have patches of snow that never melt
>>2838475No, they have glaciers, which is why it doesn't melt
>>2838467>>2838475>>2838479Lassen doesn't have any glaciers. Shasta does. Come on, guys. This was literally a ten second Google search.
>>2838467I'm kinda surprised, Bachelor and the Sisters still have a bunch on them, more than just the glaciers.
>>2838479what are glaciers made of?do you believe they magically form because god puts ice on mountains?glaciers are snow that doesn't melt in the summer. That's all.
>>2838495Glaciers are made of years of compacted snow and ice. Not all snow that doesn't melt from year to year is a glacier. There is a difference. >>2838481>Lassen doesn't have any glaciers.>Come on, guys. This was literally a ten second Google search.>Everything on the internet is true. Just trust everything on WikipediaI can see it from my house. There is a glacier running down Lassen. I don't know where you read that there isn't but there is.
>>2838491I can see Lassen and Shasta from my house. I cannot see Hood, that's why I don't know about that one. I'm not saying that there are or aren't just that I don't know.
>>2838491>>2838503*Shasta does have a little cap, so I guess not ALL gone, but pretty much.
>>2838503Yeah I'm just saying I'm surprised it's all gone from Shasta since it's part of the same range, not that much further south, and way taller.
>>2838502>Not all snow that doesn't melt from year to year is a glacier.then the snow you see on Lassen isn't a glacier
Hawaii has been cool. Mountains, rainforest, cactus, reef, waterfalls, lava tubes, cliffs, and all on each little island.
>>2837416Lake effect snow creates a snow belt on one side of the city.
Yes, I hear the call of the mountain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w2m-TeLi6I
>>2840706mountains* plural, shitskin
I live in the mountains
>>2837416nta, but we have a similar situation here in Bend, the city is only like 7mi long but the elevation difference along with the layout of the mountains to the west (where most of the weather comes from) means that there's a radical difference in weather between ends of the city, the south where I live can get 2-3x as much snow as the north end of town. (As evidenced by this pic, I took it when I was moving into the current house and the same storm only dropped like 3-4" at my previous place at the north end of town.)
>>2840743Oh, I should say that the pic was taken the next morning, and it didn't snow overnight. It was way deeper when I got there.
>>2840744I was born and raised in Salem and moved to Bend for a while. It was weird getting snow. I think I saw snow twice in 10 years in Salemagain, not a huge difference in elevation between Salem and Bend, but completely different climates.
