>>2838506
you cant
if you are asking here it means you dont have the required skills or knowledge to survive away from the safety of society

>>2838507
>>2838512
Ya sure being pessimistic can help keep things in perspective, but if you're not going to encourage the guy at least a little bit or give him some actual advice then why the fuck even bother posting?

>>2838506
I'm nowhere near where I want to be, but here's a list of things I've done over the past few years that might give you some ideas to start. Keeping in mind, I originally wanted to be a woodland hermit, now I want to start a homestead.
>Landscaping experience to learn to manage tools and different plants/trees etc
>Working for farms or farm internships for whatever you want to learn, many people on sites like WWoof have survivalist experience, is you can parse through their shitty liberal politics.
>Invest in outdoor survival training, programs like BOSS and some in California will teach you literally anything, but you have to pay a good price.
>Invest in outdoor survival books: John Plant's Primitive Technology, SAS survival handbook, and general knowledge on weather and foraging and hunting, etc. Books on homesteading,
>Invest in doing some long term hikes like the PCT or the AT or the CDT, just to get a feel for what you want to do, that way you will be stocked up on food and close to civilization if you fuck anything up.
>Watch a ton of videos of different people online. If you want to be completed disconnected check out like Tom McElroy and related content for good advice, or if you want to still be connected slightly maybe check out ForestAnon or that guy that herds goats in washington, both hobo lifestyle.
My advice is to cut our and outright remove anything you don't want to be distracted by, sell your irrelevant books, sell your gaming console, get a dumbphone, and eliminate as much distractions so that you can focus on gathering the skills for what you really want to do.
It's possible, but it's hard, and it will take a lot of time. But if you are really committed I reckon you can expedite the process by just committing every day

>>2838529
Thank you, graciously, brother.

>>2838507
Stop posting this over and over again

>>2838506
Do what you wanna do for 2 weeks. Then you'll probably think it's enough and go back to normal.

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>>2838555
stop posting "how do I runnaway to da woods cause a fucked up muh life/muy mom's gonna throw me out!" threads and it won't get posted anymore.

>>2838557
If somebody is looking to receive actual advice on how to live a healthier better life, it's our responsibility as men to encourage them to be healthy and responsible as well.
If you're frustrated by the sheer number of threads like this, don't hate the player, hate the game. The reason so many men are lost and trying to find a sense of purpose, particularly through nature, is because 1. it's healthy to pursue nature, and 2. there is very little in the modern world that provides men with a healthy sense of purpose.
It's up to us, and especially (you), to set a better example.

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>>2838506
If you need to remain in the US then Alaska would be best option I think ? Watch documentary called Alone in the Wilderness with dick preonneke and that should give you a pretty good idea of how to do it well. I don’t know what the best place to do this internationally would be maybe Russia or China ?

>>2838664
australia would be the best place, low pop density, low schizo rates, low environmental hazards, high amounts of animals to hunt (kangaroos easily have 120lb of meat on them and rabbits are reasonably abundant)

>>2838506
>I want to quit society and live out in nature.
Why?

>>2838506
find somewhere with steady seasonal work
you can't sustain yourself alone in the woods, so fill the gaps with money you earn seasonally
there is a reason that people are social creatures who have always lived in groups
you can never, ever quit society

>>2838664
he is a cool guy but even he had a friend fly stuff in for him
i don't think alaska is a great place for this
the only bonuses are cheap land and the possibility of extreme isolation, there aren't too many upsides

>t. usually takes winters off to live in a remote shack innawoods

>>2838664
>watch a documentary if a guy knows what he's doing even though you grew up gooning to anime for 20 years and lack the basic fitness and survival instinct to survive in the wilderness
amazing advice

>>2838760
>stay home
That’s the best advice to give to someone like anon.

>>2838760
>>2838774
He can still aquire the skills and train for it in some capacity. Honestly, does the Rabbi pay you to act this shitty?

>>2838784
Think it’s maybe a bit of a red flag, or possibly a complete waste of time to want to start doing something that’s incredibly dependent on initiative and self reliance— and your first fucking step is a two sentence post on a Mongolian rabbit herding message forum??

>>2838800
Where the hell would you start man?
This board has some people with a lot of knowledge on a lot of subjects, a lot of whom have been in OP's position before. Is it really such a stretch to decide to come here for advice on where to begin?
Sure the threads might be repetitive, but threads don't stay up forever and ever, so they have to make a new one.
Unless you guys want to start like a /GreenHorn/ general, where everybody starting off can post in a single thread to get advice. I think that would at least be productive and meet everybodies needs.

>>2838808
Oh I don’t know.. something about his experience level, location, desired biome, budget… etc?
Spoon feeding and coddling has never in the course of human history helped anyone.

>>2838808
>This board has some people with a lot of knowledge on a lot of subjects
lol
LMAO

>>2838529
>>2838616
Respect for trying to help OP and standing up against the demoralizers
>>2838760
>>2838800
>>2838886
You might as well one of those people on the other side, you’re effectively doing their work for them. And you’re acting like you’re not on 4chan too, not gonna let that gay self hatred shit slip by. Nobody wants or needs to hear your whining

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>>2838506
Get a shitty backpack, some clothes, and a green/earth bivy. Then stealth camp and go to churches for food. Works for the homeless.

You can get from place to place by walking or hitching rides on trains.

Or much more difficultly, you can go into the national forests and stealth camp here and there. Food is much harder to find if not impossible. Water is probably easier than being homeless since you don't have to worry about viral contamination as much. And there are animals that will try to eat you so bring a pistol.

Would be easy out west but would also have to contend with much more dangerous fauna.

Where are you located? I’ll train you little one.

>>2838916
Or save 100k and life off interest. 3k p.a. are possible, which is enough to not beg for food.

>>2838918
Then run out of money in your 60s, and realize that no one will hire you since there's a 40 year gap in your resume

>>2838911
K, keep wasting your time spoonfeeding retards who can’t even be assed to post a real question. Then when this saaaaame cunty retarded thread is made next week, white knight that one too, and then again the week after that.
Because again, if you are too fucking cunty retarded to realize that if one wants to live a self sufficient lifestyle, if they can’t even do the absolute bare bones amount of research for themselves with all the reference material and reading in the world at their finger tips it’s a COMPLETE waste of time.
Tl;dr they’ve already failed the first test

>>2838919
Taking out 3% a year from your index fund account is very conservatively calculated, your networth will outpace inflation and grow beyond that. In thirty years youre able to withdraw easily 5k p. a. from that, at least as long as shit doesnt hit the fan. Better than slaving away thirty years.

>>2838921
But shit will hit the fan eventually, everyone get old and if your living in the woods your pretty likely to break your ancle or some thing. Plus you'll never be able to support a wife, kids or hobby on that little money

>>2838924
If shit hits the fan working your ass off wont help you either, you will not have had the sweet joy of being free.

>>2838927
True, but it would still be good to have a back up plan like working part time or doing it with other people

>>2838929
Yeah.

>>2838916
>Where are you located? I’ll train you little one.
OP here. I'm in Georgia. I currently pay $800/month rent to live in a house with a few other people in a wooded area, near a park you can walk down, but as far as livable fruits to extract, I don't think there's much over here.

>>2838812
You can still be informative without coddling somebody, just saying
>No don't do anything fuck you you're a retard
Isn't worth typing. Clearly you know some good advice to give, so I don't understand why you're so reluctant to do so. Why even come to this board? Are you Jewish by chance?

>>2838916
This, except be careful Trainhopping, massive legal trouble if you're not careful, and Heroin junkies are always stalking to yards looking for a ride, so be cautious.

>>2838919
He can build a skill set and gain life experience, much more useful then working a shit labor or wagie job that trains you to be a useless little robot.

>>2838920
This thread is designed to gather research and support, as is this board. It's a springboard. Literally just go back to Israel already jesus christ man.

>>2838968
Thank you, brotherman.

How do you carefully trainhop?

Is it easy to find train stations on Google maps and hop aboard?

Does the carefulness lie in staying hidden until you arrive at your destination or does it involve selecting a good train in the first place?

What legal trouble would they realistically slap you with if you can prove you didn't take anything?

>>2838983
>How do you carefully trainhop?
Basic safety: Keep three points of contact at all times (Hands, feet, bottom, etc), keep out of sight, don't ever ride a suicide car, always pick a car that is safe and ideally has some degree of protection (Grainers, shipping container, or specialty cars with open sides), also never ride in a boxcar, if that shit locks you will die before anyone finds you.
>Is it easy to find train stations on Google maps and hop aboard?
Typically you can use google maps on your phone to locate where the train tracks are the most congested, this is typically where the yard is, and where the most trains will stop.
>Does the carefulness lie in staying hidden until you arrive at your destination or does it involve selecting a good train in the first place?
Typically once you're moving you can move around a little and enjoy the scenerie, but you want to be hidden basically whenever somebody might have eyes on you, as they can call the company and notify them to catch you the second the train stops. You want to try to get the right train for where you're going, but it isn't always feasible. Make an educated guess based on what the train looks like, what kind of cargo it has, etc.
>What legal trouble would they realistically slap you with if you can prove you didn't take anything?
I got slapped with a B misdemeanor in North Dakota once, the yard bulls are fucking ass holes and will try to give you felonies but the cops really don't want to have to deal with that shit so they will typically give you something minor and let you fuck off, unless you were caught on it while it was moving, whole different story.
>General Advice
Bring earplugs to protect your ears, a bandana and plenty of food and water (Wet the bandana when going through tunnels to use as a makeshift mask to protect from the smoke that builds up). Avoid the Yard personel, and I would go so far as to say being fit and travelling somewhat light in case you need to run.

>>2838989
>Cont
I don't know if there still are but there was some PDF's you could download back in the day that contained general yard info and where to find a ride, it helped me out in a pinch. Also ask locals, sometimes the local hobos have some train knowledge if they aren't completely insane.
I got pinned on the way up to oregon once with no food and only a little water because the train broke down in the mountains, great day and great view, but also really risky, that's why I recommend supplying yourself just in case.
My only other advice is to just be cautious around the gutter punks. Some of them can be really cool people while others are just generally shitty, and all around they can be very pessimistic and draining people to be around.
Crossing borders you also have to worry about new technology finding you, such as that X-ray machine between Canada and the U.S.
A lot of info, maybe I'm overcomplicating it, the main thing is to be wise, don't hop trains while under the influence of anything (Don't do drugs in the first place).
The trains have the potential to take you to some very beautiful places most people don't see, but if you're not careful it will be more danger then it is worth.

>>2838886
agreed. I’ve never seen anything on this shit hole board that I would consider an expert opinion. Nothing here has ever made me stop and say “oh wow, that sounds like a great idea, I’ve never thought of that.” I’ve seen a lot of the opposite though, as well as a lot of broad, diminutive opinions of entire activities.

If someone is looking for actual, real advice, they’re better off on Reddit.

>>2838989
>>2838990
Absolutely fascinating.

>>2838989
>>2838990
Thank you very much. I hope I can find those pdf's in the archives. Would they be in /out/ archives or /b/ archives?

>>2839010
Yet you keep coming here, fucking retard.
Can you not see how your own posts are indicative of this boards low quality?

>>2838506
Highways along forests are good places to scavenge. When I was homeless I'd drag roadkill into the woods, butcher with an old hatchet and knife. A well built fire can dry out what you can't eat. Jerky is rather easy to make, and pemmican too if you don't mind staying in place for a few days. Where I live in America you can camp in the wilderness for around 10 days before needing to vacate that site. I'd bury provisions underneath large rocks or unique trees, and come back months later. I had a lot of failures but I survived three winters like this.

>>2839091
Any stories or other experiences?

>>2838714
>low environmental hazards
Dude

>>2839108
its true
australia isnt just a desert, and there isnt a single wild animal that can kill you before you can kill it. there are many places that stay between 0 and 30 degrees all day all night all year and there are many many rivers across the country. you can also pan in a fair few of those rivers and fund what you need to buy

>>2839106
Get physical copies of books with info on local edible species, and maps as well. Do some basic research on wilderness laws. Learn some basic survival skills like making shelter. I had a small tent starting out but lost it after 18 months. Soap can be made from rendered animal fat and ashes, and ashes themselves can be used with water to removed oils and grease from the body if you're desperate to get clean.

>>2839056
The first step in improving anything is pointing out its faults. I’m here to call out retards and have a few laughs along the way.

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>>2838616
>If somebody is looking to receive actual advice
this isn't happening in these threads son.

>>2839116
>>2839215
>These threads suck because nobody gives good advice, this board is worthless
>*Proceeds to make worthless posts that don't give any genuine advice*
Gee you guys sure are enlightened.

>>2839232
no one in these is looking for real advice in good faith, they want an idle fantasy circle jerk.

>>2838934
>I'm in Georgia. I currently pay $800/month rent
That much rent in eastern europe? What are you renting, a palace?

>>2838506
>I want to quit society and live out in nature.
Like every other edgy kid?
>Where can I do this
Wherever there's nature, and you can "quit society" without getting the cops after you. As long as you don't mind paying taxes and having some interaction (selling produce or hosting tourists, everywhere.
>how should I prepare
Depends on what exactly you want to do. Farming? Hunting / Trapping? Animal husbandry?
Where / what climate?
Can you afford land, or do you maybe have land you can freely use (commonwealth crown lands, for example are supposedly legal to use for homesteading - didn't check myself though, since I'm elsewhere)?

But since you apparently didn't realize those questions were relevant, I assume you're starting from zero. In that case, start with
>cooking your own food
>keeping food stores (canning, salting, fermenting etc - you shouldn't need to go shopping more than once a week, or once a month if you don't buy your meat.)
>maintaining steel tools, mending clothing
>basic first aid
All of those you'll need no matter what you do in the end. The rest depends on your specific plans, for example, I'm keeping bees and chickens, have two fruit orchards, and around 5000m2 garden land. Soon I'll also get my hunting license, and start renting rooms to tourists. All of those need specific knowledge, that'd be useless if I was trapping in the yukon territory, for example. Yet both allow you to live without wageslaving, or ahving to conform to society beyond selling produce and showing guests where the guest house and the parking spots are.

>>2839251
Joking aside, you think I could find somewhere to live cheaper than that?

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>>2839289
The rulers of the planet don't want you to know this but you can live outside for free, nobody pays rent on the bushes outside, I have slept in 487 bushes

>>2839305
How do you avoid trouble this way?
What belongings do you have, and how do you carry them and protect them?

If you can answer comfortably, without self-doxxing, what state do you live in, and are you close to a city? Where do you buy/gather essentials like food and water?

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>>2839353
Avoid trouble by not being a piece of shit and moving along before you've overstayed a welcome

Belongings required to live like a hobo comfortably include a backpack and a sleeping bag + tarp. When it rains sleep inna doorway or far off inna bushes with a tarp, inna park up inna rafters picture related etc, when it doesn't rain sleep inna bushes sometimes in comical spots

I've done it in all states west of the Mississippi and many East of it, there is no 'quitting society' but there is 'surfing on top skimming off the excess'. To get food you apply for food stamps and buy a hotpocket at the gas station every now and then inbetween dumpstering for food, otherwise you can do the real bum shit and fly a sign asking for food and you'll get loaded down with it - I have literally never had to fly a sign for food in 10 years, it's always been for money for weed or some other shit

I don't give a shit about doxxing myself it's a small traveling world but I don't give a shit at this point, lemme just plug some writing about my early time as a hobo if you want a short read about it, shoutout to my maladapative daydreaming anons we're all gunna make it
deadlit.substack.com

>>2839361
>To get food you apply for food stamps
Any advice applying for foodstamps?
If it's different state by state, do you have advice for Georgia, and/or know which states it's the easiest? I imagine if I want it in an easier state, I'll have to go through the paperwork of changing my state citizenship or something.

>>2839361
>deadlit.substack.com
Thanks. I'll be sure to read through this.

You reminded me this exists:
https://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com

>>2839361
>otherwise you can do the real bum shit and fly a sign asking for food and you'll get loaded down with it
Thank you very much. I will keep this in mind.
Does it make sense to maintain my gym membership and shower on a regular basis, or are people more likely to give food to the dissheveled?

>>2839353
It's better to travel with the seasons then be land locked, that way you don't get completely shit on in a given season. You can do it anywhere, look up stealth camping, avoid homebums who do drugs and are insane (Some are a good type of crazy)
States with more homeless assistance are cool if you wanna be a bumb, but I've known a few guys who own a bike and do a 9-5 and just save money in the bank, shower at gyms, and camp wherever they want.
Sounds like a bad time, but it's actually really fun if you get a good set up. Don't be lazy, find work, keep yourself healthy, maybe invest in a bank account so you don't have to worry about theft, and you can save up a ton of cash.

>>2839361
Based, but I would recommend ways to do this without relying on stamps and handouts like a nigger, way easier to keep a low profile.
Drugs is also a bad call, you want to keep yourself healthy in that lifestyle.

>>2839362
Fuck stamps, invest in a good quality smart phone and apply for temp jobs, craigslist work, etc. Play your cards right and you can save up for your own property, it's cheap in many places.

>>2839367
If you want to be respectable, keep a low profile, and find good work, you should shower regularly and groom yourself. Turn your backpack into a system, if you hitchhike you can ask for work, especially from farmers.
Living on handouts you will never accumulate anything, you'll always be like that, and never have the funds you need in an emergency.
There is a reason this lifestyle has a low mortality rate, people are not smart enough to make the most of it.

>>2839383
Thank you VERY much, Anon!
>apply for temp jobs, craigslist work, etc.
What jobs should I be searching for?
>Play your cards right and you can save up for your own property, it's cheap in many places.
What places should I be looking for real estate in?

>>2839384
>>2839384
Finding normal work is for people who can't figure out how to make money otherwise. Living like a bum and trying to also live a normal life is dumb as shit. Spend every waking moment working on your own hustle and making art and eventually you will figure it out enough to become your own person working for yourself. This guy is just speaking in empty platitudes and made up shit, dumb ass hustle culture shit but translated into a hobo lifestyle for some retarded reason. Don't bother, as an able bodied male figuring out food is going to be literally the least of your problems. Don't bother with getting a regular job unless you're just saving to invest, if you're really going to get a job get a temp job like setting up and tearing down at trade shows because it's casual and they expect you to not stick around. Durrr don't take from duh taxpayers durrrr what a stupid facetious retarded dipshit good golem thing to fucking say, you realize Apple owes more in back taxes than you will ever pay in taxes in your entire fucking life many times over? Durrr be a hobo but durr also you must contirbute to da system durrr for fucks sake I hate the anarchist kids as much as the next guy but you're just as bad

I've lived almost every way there is to be homeless except in a shelter, I've worked odd jobs while saving, lived without any money or foodstamps and honestly it's easy as fuck. The only thing you need money for when you're homeless is drugs and whatever you're saving for like a car. Oh, a down payment on an apartment? Don't be fucking stupid. Go outside and meet people, eventually you'll find someone who will give you a job and let you stay in the back shed for free or for the work you do. Stop being so boxed in and definitely don't listen to people who tell you DUDE LIVE EXACTLY LIKE A NORMAL STOICMAXXING NORMIE BUT LIKE HOMELESS LOL

>>2839367
>>2839362
continuing, Food Stamps is a federal program that receives more and more restrictions every year. Some states and cities have even tougher requirements, you should only use them early on until you get your footing and figure out how easily it is to feed yourself from everything that everyone tosses out. It's not really too much harder to do it in some states than others, what it really depends on is the person doing your case. Typically going to a big city will get you shoved through without too many questions, if you were really going to just up and move somewhere like a hobo you should start with going outside where you live now and then moving further south with your thumb out. There is no such thing as state citizenship and if there is, it's a dumb grey area. When you move to a new state, you're now a resident. The end. If you're homeless in that state, you're now a homeless resident in that state. I don't really know how it works but you won't get any gruff for having an out of state license when you go in to a different state for benefits

You should probably stop giving a shit about how you look because people will target you if you look like you've got money, keep yourself clean enough but don't look like a tourist. I really don't know what the fuck this other guy is talking about, really speaks like a guy who spent a few months homeless and it scared him back into the rat race forever. DUDE RESPECTABLE HOBO SERIOUSLY PEOPLE WILL LIKE YOU IF YOU ARE CLEAN lmao yeah dude totally spoken like someone who has never been homeless and clean as fuck. You're not hiding.

>>2839385
>normal work is for people who can't figure out how to make money otherwise.
>"Don't get a normal job, just panhandle and engage in impractical hobbies like art, that way you can make money from being a public nuisance rather then a contributing member of a civilization."
Modern civilization sucks, that's no excuse to be a complete bum.
I'm speaking from experience of living off stamps and being a traveling, it's shitty, you will have no self respect unless you just ignore objective reality, and you will have little to no cash for anything.
Your mentality is literal gutter punk trash, who sit around and do heroin because they think nothing matters. Your nihilism does not excuse your ignorance.
I've met plenty of people who used this lifestyle to save money, be healthy, and be active. Food is a concern, especially because it is more expensive nowadays.
>The only thing you need money for when you're homeless is drugs
You played yourself, you absolute trash human being.
>Don't work hard but drugs is okay
No one is telling him to take out a loan or do that other stupid shit, but if you're not encouraging him to actually work hard or strive for something that isn't your ability to play a shitty guitar then you are setting him up to be a failure like you are.

>>2839387
>I'm homeless therefor I must be a shitty nihilist with no personal principles who lives on handouts.
This is the rationalization of somebody who is so engrossed in this lifestyle you gatekeeper it and justify it as somehow more virtuous then it really is.
When your body starts to break down and your ability to take care of yourself falls apart, all you will have is your drug use and your shitty attitude.
The only person here hiding is you, hiding from the truth of the way you choose to live.
Encouraging the worst in human beings is never the answer.

>>2839384
Craigslist has all kinds of people looking for day labor, you can also fly a sign that says "Looking for work."
There are temp agencies and online website but they pretty much suck, I think the best thing you can do is learn how to network and connect with the local community wherever you go; don't be afraid to put yourself out there.
You can get cheap land in undesirable areas for a few grand (Deserts) met some people who did that after traveling for awhile. But if you want to cultivate it it will take more work and money to invest in.
I would focus more right now on acquiring practical skills, learning how to use tools, learning different trades, and saving money. The more you have, the better your options will be.
Learning how to budget is also important, you don't have to be some big yuppie investor to know that spending money just because you have it is a losing mentality.
Invest your time and money in experiences that will help you grow as a person.
It isn't an all or nothing game like this nihilist hobo guy is making it out to be, you get to construct the life you want to live. The virtue of where you're at right now is you get to reflect on what you want your life to look like, and find out how to live a life true to your values.
Reflect on what you value as a person, what rules you live by, what is most important to you.
Above all else, practice discipline, avoid drugs and alcohol as it will obviously fuck up your life/health, commit to working hard every day, not working hard for somebody else or for shitty jobs and a shitty society you don't agree with; work hard for yourself, so you can live how you want to live.
A lot of it might sound cliche, but you'll come to find that which is generally true is often the best thing to place your faith in.
>P.S.
Check out Wwoof and other farm internship/work programs. You may find a few like minded people, get some good skills, and if you're a hard worker they will typically bring you all full time.

>>2839518
>>2839517

You're the one making it an all or nothing game, literally telling him to live like a normie while homeless. How does he get a job while he's moving from town to town? Oh, he should stay in one place like a homebum? You're a joke man, calling me a gatekeeper when you're literally sitting here saying there's only homeless dirty crustpunks and clean cut wageslaves who seek to please everyone around because oh god maybe I'll offend someone if I'm dirty and homeless lmao

You typed all this shit but the more you type the more it looks like you're just a basic bitch who has studied this shit for years, you have no experience at all and you're just making it up from the position of someone who thinks they've got it all figured out. You're telling this anon what you would do if you did it, not what you've done. Shut the fuck up with your empty bullshit or make some real statements about what you've done. I've lived both the way you describe and like a dirty bum, your way is retarded and nobody will like you when you're homeless no matter how hard you try to please them. You're addicted to this shitty society that you claim to dislike, your first sentence is entirely cope about how much you dislike your position within it.

Let's hear when and how you were homeless, I've been out here for over 10 years. When did you live off stamps and travel? For a month when you were 21? Everything you said might as well be retarded copypasta from some retard that studies these threads and thinks he has it all figured out (which is exactly what it was)

>single mother with 4 kids
>work part time job that takes so little out in taxes that I get 3x back at tax time
>receive section 8 housing, cash and food assistance, dozens of free healthcare appointments every month, free daycare, thousands of dollars a month in welfare
>mfw some good golem says the vagabond who sleeps inna bushes and takes $190 a month in foodstamps is just the worst human being out to exploit society


Haha wait until you find out about my cousin who doesn't work at all and gets neet benefits, you treat him like he's normal when you see him at the movie theater but you recoil in disgust as the backpacking hobo. Curious.

>>2839524
>Just be a lazy ass and get food stamps
Is this idea really so complex that you need multiple posts to properly explain it?

>How does he get a job while he's moving from town to town?
I listed a few ideas in the previous post: Fly a sign, apply for farm internships, ask around, hell there are season farm jobs that take in traveling folk all over the country, North Dakota and Michigan both has some options, some require you to have a vehicle, but others are willing to work with you. Shop around.
>oh god maybe I'll offend someone if I'm dirty and homeless lmao
The only person you're offending is yourself, have some decency and actually take care of yourself. You don't have to be some yuppie that invests a ton of time and money into cosmetics, just, take a fucking shower? Shave? Try to keep your clothes clean? You mentioned not wanting to get robbed, you can look like a decent person and also avoid shitty people anon.
>basic bitch who has studied this shit for years
I've hitchhiked off and on since I was 19, I've train hopped, but it kinda sucks. I travelled around in my vehicle for awhile, I did farm internships. Hitchhiking through the midwest I picked up some work and got to work with farmers. Some shitty motels even hire you for cleaning, dishwashing, etc.
Lately I've been investing my money in savings for buying land and the equipment I'll need to start a permaculture set up. I hiked the CT last year and have been practicing bushcraft like crazy after an old hobo friend told me he failed the AT. Next year I'll be doing the PCT.
I also know a lot of tricks to preserve produce and get food while backpacking.
You don't have to respect my perspective, but you're way far off in saying it isn't grounded in anything.

>>2838506
Become a woman and start posting naked thumbnails to your videos. Otherwise you'll be just a homeless guy living in the woods

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>No dude I was totally homeless but there's no way to get food besides handouts and working a normie job.

>Money is literally everything bro, without money how are you going to buy shit to distract you from how your life sucks? bro please just work a job, there's no way you could ever be happy without working. Money is the only thing that will bring you happiness, and the only way you will be able to get food. Seriously bro, I was homeless, for realsies.

>>2839524
>>2839526
>cont
>fucking post size is killing me
>You're telling this anon what you would do
I'm trying to give him ideas based on what I've done and what I've seen work. I've met plenty of punks out there with your mentality, and right now they're still out there, and will likely die before ever reaching the age of 30. When your body starts to deteriorate you begin to rethink the path you've chosen Anon.
>your way is retarded
Met this one dude in Oregon, name was Chuck I believe. He was homeless but worked in the fish processing plants, was saving up to buy some cheap property in Maine. I'm not the only one, so I'm sorry you don't have better examples of successful people.
>For a month
A few months, didn't sit well. I've done it off and on like I said, moved back In with roommates and saved up, went back out and travelled. Maybe I've had better opportunities then you, but that doesn't change the fact that I've worked hard and learned from the people I met.
Your mentality is completely fucked man, and you owe it to yourself to put in a greater effort at improving your life.
Or don't, never try to achieve anything for yourself, just keep doing the same exact thing and die this way. Nobody will care, like you said:
>nobody will like you when you're homeless no matter how hard you try to please them.

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>>2839526
>>2839529

Post some pictures then lmao make up more shit dude, it's funny you automatically assume I'm a crustpunk

I guarantee I've lived an insane adventure life and worked my ass off twice as much as you but you're still here assuming all this shit just because I'm telling someone they don't have to work their ass off to survive. You're a bitch addicted to society and you refuse to acknowledge it. If anon loves nature he could live like a homebum on the edge of the city and literally survive forever like Uncle Ted. You're just total bullshit all around man. What does anon need a job for, money? What does he need money for? Oh, he has to save and invest for his future while working a dead end job for someone who only hired him because he was a hobo. All of this shit you're saying and not a single bit of real evidence that you know what the fuck you're talking about. Explain what he needs a job for, why he needs money?

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>no dude you don't understand I lived like a homeless traveler for months and even hopped trains but I didn't take any pictures
>I mean I did take some pictures but i'm not gunna dox myself bro cmon

>>2839528
>>2839530
>>2839531
You are dependent on the society, the industry that you so adamantly hate. If it goes down, you go down, and thus you are inextricably tied to it, I would even go so far as to call you an extension of it.
>What does anon need a job for, money?
Skills, experience, learning how the world works, learning how to be self sufficient if he wants to be.
I've worked:
>Landscaping
>Disaster Relief
>Farm works, mostly with orchards, but a little bit of everything
>Carpentry
>Painting
>Hospitality
You name it. Job hopping for the money is one thing, but the experiences I've gained have helped me work towards what I want to do long term.
More than anything, it's the integrity to say that I earned it myself. That food that you scavenge doesn't just come from nowhere.
Men have always toiled, your ancestors toiled tirelessly for you to even be here. And while I agree that modern society is fucked, and not worth bending over backwards for, that doesn't mean you can forgo the necessity of work.
Someone somewhere has to put in the effort, and when one day they stop or the system collapses, you won't have anything to show for.
You'll be a tertiary consumer if anything, still living off the scraps, only there will be less scraps to go around.
I don't deny you've probably had great adventures, but aimless wandering proves your own nature is unscrupulous. To overcome the essence of you, I want to commit myself towards achieving something meaningful, providing for people, and learning how to be a better person.
Somebodies got to put in the work, and I'm going to do it for me, not for you or anybody else.

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>yeah man I've been there, I've done that (for a few months)
> I'm still obsessed with money
>I mean yeah I already had my family connections and previous life that I just went back to but I definitely was homeless for a few months
>Yeah man I totally hopped trains but it wasn't very fun (despite what literally every person who has ever hopped a train says)
>yeah man I worked on farms doin farm work, for farmers. you might have heard of it, it's called farm work. Special work that requires seasonal laborers at specific farms called farms, where they harvest farms and other farms. Did I mention beets? Nah, it was just a farm. I totally have been a homeless traveler by the way.

>No, I can't post a single picture of a camp spot, my backpack setup, a picture from a train showing off beautiful countryside in far off nature that people don't get to see
>Did I mention how important money is? I was homeless by the way

>>2839532
>dude you have to work for your bread
>Okay so you got your bread but you have to want more things! Invest in your future bro!

This is why I know you've never done any of this shit you're claiming. You're telling these people who have no reason to live that they need to be super ubermen and improve. These people in these maladaptive daydreaming cycles looking to escape from society are looking for reasons to live and this stupid shit you're saying is basic bitch work on yourself bro pull yourself up by your bootstraps bro you have to stick it out for society bro bullshit that everyone else is selling. Your reason to live is to make money and '''''improve''''' yourself aka make money so you can blow it on stupid pleasures, because you can't picture helping without working a 9-5 and contributing is only possible by spending money.

I have made a positive difference in many lives and continue to do so, you're sitting here saying I can't do any of that because I don't think working your ass off and trying to make everyone around you happy while you travel around living like a hobo is how it should be done - speaking from real experience. You continue to assume the most absurd shit and refuse to acknowledge that you have been wrong every step of the way. After hitchhiking over a year and working odd jobs I saved and bought an RV with my partner I met on the road, that was almost 10 years ago now. Oh, when I hit 30 ill regret the life? Bitch, I'm mid 30s by now and everyone around me wants to know how I do it.

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>you didn't earn that food that was thrown away to be wasted
>you're a bad person for eating it instead of making sure it was wasted, what would your ancestors think??
>Lmao you surf on society but I noticed you're also inside of it so if it ever goes down you're totally fucked mr hobo, unlike me, mr jack of all trades who has it all figured out

Come back anon, I want to hear more about how biking a few miles over to the dumpster to get these things and then taking them back to my camp isn't 'working for my bread' or somehow exploiting society in some seriously harmful way. Tell me more about how I haven't learned anything in the decade I've been doing this, picture related I didn't put it together and wire it or anything while working at north america's largest sports and recreation show. People like you are a dime a dozen, ran back to mom's couch and figured your life out which turns out, revolves around money and being a good ''''contributing''''' member of society by spending money, your only measure of value.

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>>2839533
>>2839536
I own a flip phone and I haven't taken pictures of myself or what I do in years as a matter of personal principle. As the tribes believed, pictures capture and confine an essence of spirit.
Once again, you're critical of modern life, yet you enjoy the fruits of modern labor, i.e. a phone.
I'm just curious what you plan to do when your bodies start shutting down? What will you rely on then? You're 30, that's great, but what happens if you don't have a community to support you if you get some kind of critical injury?
Your alternative to modern living is to basically sit around and do drugs, you have no skills, no abilities, you've spent your time doing nothing.
The more disciplined approach is the most fruitful, and I'm not saying you have to work your life away, as clearly I do not.
I started exploring alternatives because I hate modernity as much as anyone else, but let's be honest man, the most successful people are the ones that Worked, which is not contingent on money or society, they worked hard and did something productive to become who they wanted to be.
There is more to life than money and shitty art/drugs.
You look at the entire history of human endeavor, do you think our ancestors achieved anything by just sitting around?
Yes, maybe they worked less at some rare time, which is exactly what I've been trying to get at, but they still worked hard nonetheless, they worked tirelessly, hunted and toiled day and night.
>I saved and bought an RV with my partner I met on the road, that was almost 10 years ago now.
So, you've basically proved what I've been trying to say?
I never said work your life away, but I did say to work and acquire skills and experiences. You've clearly put in some degree of work, but your entire lifestyle is only maintainable by your reliance on the things you hate, at that point if you don't reconceptualize your point of view you prove a most basic hypocrisy about yourself.

>>2839537
The food you eat from dumpsters is almost invariably riddled in Goyslop. Artificial preservatives, sneed oils, and other petroleum derivatives.
'm not as sufficient as I'd like to be, but I keep learning new things, reading new books, meeting new people, pursuing new jobs and interests. I want to feel like I actually earned what I consume, I want to eventually grow my own food, raise my own livestock. That is the goal I've been working towards, and you don't have to agree with it, but in the way I want to do it it requires money, not just for land, but for land in a geographically secure location, and be able to support not only a partner but maybe some kids.
I'm not saying relying on handouts is bad, but do you really want to do that for the rest of your life? I use money to work towards never having to use money again, or as little of it as possible.
If you don't have any goals or aspirations beyond sitting around doing drugs and making shitty art in private, don't let me stop you, but don't think I'm going to let you claim moral superiority by just running around barely getting by.
I'm probably wrong about a lot, I don't know you, and you don't know me either. We probably agree on a lot of things, but when it comes to hard work we are totally at odds.
I've got goals that being a complete bum cannot help me achieve, that's all there is to it.

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>>2839540
lol yeah sit around and do drugs, I'd call you a facetious idiot but you're not smart enough to be facetious in this moment

I already said what he should do, spend 100% of his time working on his own art and his own interests. Fuck middle manning a job to live, just live. You like living in the woods? Go live in the woods. You like playing guitar? Go play guitar. You like rocks? Go dig up rocks(Me btw, god I love how much you assume despite me being 100% right about you and you being 100% wrong)
You assume i'm just sitting around instead of doing shit and networking, honestly you assume so fucking much while knowing so fucking little and you speak as though you're SUCH a fucking authority on the entire thing it's like you're the most American basic bitch available on /out/

Oh you've got a flip phone how convenient you're such an epic stoic bro lmfao jesus well anyway here's a picture of the dry room I designed for a 16 million dollar grow facility while I was working one of the specific odd jobs I can talk about (unlike you, who keeps just making shit up). They hired me because of my experience out west working on random grows when I was hitchhiking and the experience I put together at various other enterprises, but I didn't actually work a job for almost the first year I hitchhiked AND I didn't have food stamps.

Oh, even while working at these jobs I'm eligible for food stamps because I'm still technically fucking homeless, weird innit? Bro you're so far out of your element you need to realize you're not a temporarily inconvenienced millionaire and you were never a hobo and can't speak like an authority about either. I've shot guns with the CFO of Monster Energy (Mark Hall) in the desert, visited his house and went out to drink with him. Yeah bro I'm a total piece of shit doing drugs and drinking lol. You can check out my substack above and see I'm basically the complete opposite, but continue to be wrong for the lurkers it's going great

>>2839542
>bro but what if the sky falls? What then?
We're done here

>>2839543
>>2839545
>Pot Smoking deadbeat
Guess we are done here. No sense in reasoning with a degenerate drug addict.

>>2839548
lel yeah I gave an eighth to Mark, he was gunna buy it but I felt kind of silly selling him the small bag. I wouldn't really call him a degenerate drug addict though he liked to drink. Oh, you meant me? After you've been wrong every step of the way, after you lied about hopping trains, ended your dumb fuck shit with 'DUDE CHECK OUT WWOOF LOL' holy shit yeah basic bitch shit dude check out overland firefighting and the peace corps too Lel wait until you find out how many kids I've got you poor fool, don't worry bro i'm sure you'll pass on your superior genes after you reinvent the wheel

>>2839555
Selling drugs is as bad as doing them yourself, that's all the proof I need to know you are a degenerate who lacks principles.

>>2839561
Alright man we get it you're an unfun know it all loser who is scared of the world and can't even run off like Ted McCandless, the thread is for people quitting society not those trying to cope about why they're stuck in it (you)

>>2839561
You can say what you want and those are your opinions but I can at least say I'm not a liar which is pretty much universally agreed upon as being unprincipled so whatever bub project more

>>2839562
>Unfun
Petty dopamine hits don't justify forgoing objective morality, maybe if there were less people like you the world wouldn't be such shit.
And as this board often states, Chris Candyass was a retard, who bit off way more then he can chew. It's great advice to encourage somebody to go out and free themselves from society, but you fail to provide an actual way they can do this efficiently and not fuck up and die like that retard. Simply quitting and not knowing jack shit on how to actually survive is a great way for someone to get killed because they don't know how to do anything. Obviously they will have to figure a lot out on their own, but we should at least encourage them on some ways to more effectively transition between modern living and what he wants to do.

>>2839563
>Moral Relativism
I'm not a liar either, evident by the fact that I don't use personal preference to overlook objective morality. You encourage people to do shitty things, that is the sign of your character.
>Projection
Now you're a pseud on top of it, unfortunately that isn't an actual argument.

>>2838506
Lel another one

>>2839564
You've done nothing but lie and misrepresent yourself the entire time. A total liar, probably some complete autist. I suspect you're probably just something like a simple, fat spear diving fisher from Florida.

You are 200% terminally online and this is why you will never pass on your (Superior no doubt) genetics, nor actually go homestead and live off grid like you are implying the only correct way to live is (hint: I could live that life tomorrow if I wanted) it's funny how you started this shit flinging by trying to say I was the one making a false dichotomy and it's actually you lel. Pseud, you lack the argumentative capacity to call anyone a pseud. Just look at how many times you've tried to strawman and ad hominem. A total joke, terminally online joke. Dont let the spooky druggies get you next time you go to Safeway

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>>2839566
>I suspect you're probably just something like a simple, fat spear diving fisher from Florida.
That would be kind of based ngl. But it's clear that I am the fish because I keep taking the bait.
Kinda overplayed your hand there when you said I was using ad homonyms when you've been using them the whole time.

>>2839567
This is why Jessica divorced you

>"A flea once said to an ox, "How comes it that a big strong fellow like you is content to serve mankind, and do all their hard work for them, while I, who am no bigger than you see, live on their bodies and drink my fill of their blood, and never do a stroke for it all?" To which the ox replied, "Men are very kind to me, and so I am grateful to them. They feed and house me well, and every now and then they show their fondness for me by patting me on the head and neck." "They'd pat me, too," said the flee, "if I let them. But I take good care they don't, or there would be nothing left of me."
>Aesops Fables: The Flea and the Ox

>>2838757
not OP but when you want to kill yourself sometimes you try to think of alternatives and that's how you end up with retarded ideas like bugging out innawoods. It's to drown the little voice of reason telling you that you want to kill yourself for a good reason and the reason is that it's over and you have no other choices except dying, either true death or death by disintegration of your identity e.g. jew pills or becoming a redditor or terminal porn addict or just a druggie or alcoholic.
That's why some people have these stupid ideas they know they're hopeless like "I'll learn new skills and try changing" or "I'll just leave and start a new life" when you're like a 30 year old dropout with no real skills and credentials that give you an actual job and it's fucking over and you know it.
just making a guess haha

>>2839846
Never too late to make a positive change in your life.
Ethics triumphs petty notions of "Making it," if you're say, for example, a piece of shit who encourages wrongdoing in others, it's not to late to make better choices and encouraging decency in the world.
If more people entertained wild notions of simply acting like good people and making morally good choices, their lifestyle wouldn't matter fuck one. But it is a radical choice these days to make a genuine effort to be a healthy moral person, so I see how immoral people would misconstrue that as impossible.
>Freemasons are all pedophiles.

>>2838506
I could eat that whole bag right now.

>>2838506
Pack some food and water in your van. Cannabis too, if you smoke. Then head into the woods and see how long you can handle it.

>>2838506
You got a discord? We can discuss this. There's a lot of learning to be done beforehand.

>>2838664
>maybe Russia or China ?
>living free in russia or china
Wut?

>>2840228
He might run out in this orfer
>weed
>food
>water
Then he's done. Unless he can purify and forage and grow, right?

>>2838714
Australia is full of deadly spiders, snakes, as well as Indians and Chinese who arrived in the last 15 years and now make up 50% of the population.
90% of it is an inhospitable desert.

Why does /out/ always promote the worst places to go live in ? It's always Canada or Alaska. And then you expect people to hunt or farm. You need hundred of thousands to afford land.

I've been to tropical places where you can just grab mangoes and coconuts off the ground because nobody picks them up. And I don't need a passport to go to these places. Even the rain is warm there

>>2838529
I wouldn't try to spend so much money on books, I would go for the principal works since there is now a glut of wilderness survival books meant to rob you of money. Just look around forums for specific categories for the best works pertaining to topics of: bushcraft, foraging, navigating, tying knots, etc., and don't buy a book extra on that specific topic and work with that to garner experience. You can very easily waste hours, hundreds of dollars or multiple gigabytes of storage on various manuals and books when it would better suite you to find and read just one to retrieve a first principles understanding so that you can extrapolate and problem solve something without referring to an exterior source. It is a trap of any hobby or activity to want it to be perfect the first time or not at all, you need to fail multiple times in order to learn, it is best to do this in a controlled environment first until you have the experience to do as you intend.

>>2839846
This is what career criminality is for.

>>2841517
What do you mean?

>>2842678
What do you think?

>>2839846
>30 year old
>it's fucking over
This isn't even remotely true. You are the crab bucket.

>>2840334
>Then he's done.
Then he heads back into town to resupply. This isn't rocket appliances.

>but that's not...
That's how everyone living alone in the woods do it. Some rely more on forage, hunt and grow, but everyone living alone in the woods relies on civilisation.

To think somebody is going to google "how do I live off the land" and actually pull it off without years of practice is pure fantasy.

It occurs to me that /out/ should write a copy pasta or something about "quitting" society. These threads are so common it's kinda pathetic

>>2838506
>Where can I do this
nature
>how should I prepare?
just go

>>2838886
>>2839010
samefag

I kind of want to to the same but I have no money saved, I do have a 10k credit card though. I was thinking of ways I could turn my credit card into cash and I thought about buying 10k worth of gold and then selling it back to a different gold merchant for cash. I expect I would probably lose like 1-2k in the transaction but then I would have enough money to last months of roaming and living out.

Is there any reason this wouldnt work.