I want to go on a 4-5 day tent hike anywhere in the Alps. I’d like a place that’s not overcrowded and doesn’t require walking under cable cars or crossing busy streets.A day dedicated to a peak with some scrambling or easy climbing would be cool too.I'm not necessarily looking for concrete routes, but more so advice on how to plan a trip like this. I can't find anything that fits my requirements.I live in Switzerland, but ironically it seems like a terrible place for a multi day hike like this.
>>2840131I don't know how it is in europe, but I find an interesting spot that I want to visit. Lookup the trails that lead to that spot and then just go to the trailheads and do them. It's that shrimple. Can also just use tools like Natural Atlas and just scan entire regions for trails and see what looks interesting based on where they lead.
>>2840131Please start with day hikes to get a feeling for your own performance first. Otherwise you won't know what's possible for you in a day. That's something you can do perfectly in Switzerland, since you're not dependent on overnight accommodations.Use tools like Outdooractive to find the right tour for you. As a beginner, I'd stay below 2500m peaks and 100m of elevation gain per kilometer of distance (averaged), and below 600 meters elevation gain overall.You will notice that a hike like this will require a couple of days of recovery in the beginning, making your original undertaking pretty unrealistic for you at first. You'd just be another person in need of help from overstrained mountain rescuers.For multi-day tours I'd recommend Austria, South-Tyrol, Northern Italy or Slovenia. But come and all again when you've done enough tours.
Anone here >>2840185 is right : starty with day hikes before you try to do several days with camping and climbing.It's important that you know your own performance and limits on each portion before you embark on something longer that you might not be able to easily bail out of.Look for a trail (there's a whole bunch in Switzerland. Unless you're in Geneva, you can start from any town and branch out from there. I've done it a bunch in the Neuchatel canton) and walk that. It will give you a first idea of your pace, of whether your are faster or slower than the typical estimates. This way you can then try to be more ambitions, maybe plan your own routes now that you know how much distance you can cover in a given day.Do the same with climbing. Start with single events, so to speak. It's all a good way to see exactly what gear you need and what you don't need.Once you've done all that, if you want to plan for several days then take everything into account and assume you'll do worse than your usual averages. It's safer to undershoot than to overshoot and to finish your hike earlier than planned rather than later.I'd recommend crossing into France too because while wild camping is technically not allowed, it's generally tolerated. If you're not visible from a highway or a busy district road, you won't have any problem because nobody will even spot you and evenf if spotted nobody will care.
>>2840143Tried that a bunch of times. Usually when I pick a spot I can build a route for 1 or 2 days. Then it reaches a point where you have to either see civilization again, or go through very difficult terrain or a glacier, which I don't want to do this time because I'm bringing people who haven't done this before (also I don't want to shell out for crampons).>>2840185>>2840191I'm not a beginner. I've been on longer (7+ days) as well as some demanding high altitude hikes up to 5000m.However, I have only planned one myself once before. It was a short 3 day hike in Switzerland and we had to cross a road in the middle, which I hated.>>2840191Yes, France was the original plan. I wanted to go somewhere in the Écrins because it doesn't have a ton of tourists like the mont blanc region. But I still can't find a good route, because it looks like anything interesting requires a car to reach.
>>2840131>pick one spot you want to goThat's the hard part if you're a tourist cuck. if you're a based homeland enjoyer, it's just "where haven't I been the last few months?)>know what distance you can cover in a dayIf you don't know, assume 15-20km, that's what a regular fatso can do with a pack. Once you're somewhat fit, it quickly turns to 30-40km, and if you're willing to push yourself and embrace the suck, you can do around 60km for a few days. But anything above 30km/day doesn#t really leave you time for anything but walking, getting water, setting camp and sleeping.>look what's around your goal within a day's hikeCamping spots, mostly. two of those will be your first two waypoints (two, because you don't want your main goal to be the last point you reach - you might be short on time by then - or the first point, when you're still in your normal frame of mind).>for every waypoint, repeat the above, picking one more spot>repeat until the number of waypoints equals the numbers of nights you want to spend>within half a day's march from the first and last waypoints, look for access to public transport or road access for pickup from friends or relatives, or select your waypoints so they form a circle with a parking spot betwen the first and last point.Or, if you're based, select them so the circle includes yur home.That's the route. Once you know that, you pick what specific gear to bring. general gear should be considered from the beginning (don't enter the alps if you don't have good boots and a pack, don't plan for climbing if you don't have the gear etc), but by now, you know if you'll camp in the woods, where you can set up a hammock, or somewhere you'll be sleeping on the ground, for example.Finally, buy food supplies, refresh your FAK, check your flares and phone are in working condition, notify someone of your route (for multi-day trips, some hotels offer a service where they'll initiate a search if you don't show up), and start.
>>2840131Mate I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you need to ask, you either need more experience, or to go with someone more experienced.
>>2840271Nah, there wouldn't be any point in going with someone more experienced (again) because it doesn't teach me how to plan the hike.
>>2840195if you are entirely unable to use a car how can you expect to hike somewhere without tons of roads and civilization everywhere. One of your requirements is a train or bus station lmao. Yes using MASS transport it will be hard to get away from the masses
>>2840280In Europe, the public transport network is much more developed than in the US. Just because some regional bus takes you to a place doesn't necessarily mean it's sprawling with tourists.Still, fair point.
>>2840195>it doesn't have a ton of tourists like the mont blanc region. You're not avoiding tourists in the Alps, especially if you go in summer and in a national park>it looks like anything interesting requires a car to reach.Iirc there are bus lines that run in the tourist season for the hikersYou should just call the local tourist office of wherever you wanna go desu, they'll know better than a random anon
