What's a sleeping bag you recommend?I slept two weeks in Norway this summer with a random 5°C sleeping bag, and it wasn't that warm.I'm planning to go sleep on some mountains this autumn and I want to get comfortable with lower temperatures.
>>2841533What did you wear?
>>2841533bump.what are some good subzero (<32F) sleeping bags that compress to a small size? Im willing to drop 250 bucks at the most but cheaper is obv better
>>2841533For me it's the Paria Outdoors Thermodown 0 Sleeping Bag combined with a Sea to Summit Reactor Sleeping Bag Liner, and a Gossamer Thinlight foam pad.
>>2841701>Gossamer Thinlight foam padGet an actual pad and you won't need a 3lb sleeping bag+linerI did the 0F bag and no pad thing when I was a noob too, it's retarded. With a 3-4R value pad you can actually be comfortable at 30F in a 30F quilt, shocking I know
>>2841582One night temperature dropped to 1°C and i put on basically all i had: thermal pants, long pants, 2 pairs of socks (one normal, one wool), thermal longsleeves, tshirt, fleece jacket, neck cover and a tshirt over my head to keep it from the cold air (the sleeping bag would leave some spots a bit open while i was sleeping).It wasn't that awful but i wish it would have been a bit more comfortable, especially as i want to try camping in the snow.I was using a small inflatable mattress and i'd say it was doing an ok job to keep the cold off the ground
>>2841719Shit, sorry forgot to mention the inflatable sleeping pad. I use the Nemo Tensor Extreme which is VERY overkill for the 0F sleeping bag, but if it works it works.
>>2841737Ah, that makes more senseCarry on /toasty/ anon
>>2841733What mat you used can make a big difference as >>2841719. A plain Jane air mattress often isn't insulated and can be rather cold. You can put a cheap foam pad on top of it for a lot of comfort.Otherwise you'll want a bag that's conservatively rated for whatever temp you are considering. In NA, most people have a 20-30F bag for spring to fall, and a true winter bag. If you are regularly seeing 0 C your bag should be rated for at least -5C comfort.>>2841694Down is only super-compressible insulation. 250 will probably not be enough new for something in 850 fill power but if you check eBay you might get lucky, double so if you are okay with quilts
>>2841733That should have been well enough for a 5°C sleeping bag, odd.
>>2841809>>2841733That's probably the extreme or limit temperature rather than the comfort temperature. Companies are very sneaky with that stuff. Also, if it wasn't EN rated then it's completely meaningless. And I suspect it isn't EN rated considering OP described it as a "random" bag, aka some shit from walmart. I have a non-EN rated sleeping bag rated for 5C but it's extremely uncomfortable for anything below 15C.
>>2841533first you need to understand the ratings, comfort vs. you will survive. Also consider weather can change and get much colder with wind than you anticipated. I had a bag rated for 20f, I thought it was going to be 40f, but it was low 20sf and I froze my ass off and my toes were going numb. At best the bag would have been comfortable at about 50f. I bought a bag rated -20f with down fill. Be sure its large enough, bigger is better than a bit too small especially when its cold. I used to camp a lot, sleeping outside with no tent, sometimes with a tent. Over the years I seemed to have forgot how things work. Also know what type of tent you need to keep the rain/wind off. A sleeping pad for comfort and to help retain heat. It all works together. Its always better to a bag that is too warm, because you can unzip to control heat, then a bag that is too cold because you can't sleep and will be drained the next day, and it can be even colder the next day. I learned to wear the least amount of clothes, but wear warm socks. Others say to wear warm clothes, just figure out what works for you. Also, zippers are very very important. When I was freezing my ass off I zipped the bag up all the way and closed the opening as much as possible to retain heat. When the sun finally came out I was stuck in the back for like 20 minutes because the zipper was stuck and I had limited mobililty in the bag. This would have been a major safety issue if for any reason I need to get out of the bag or tent.
Enlightened Equipment Revelation 10F quilt has worked for me in Norwegian fall and spring. Never wintered there yet. I am part norge and love it out there.
I just spent the night in my 10°C sleeping bag and i had a blanket on top. It went down to -5°C and it was toasty. Get whatever you can afford it's about going out not buying gear, you'll always find a way to make it work.
Got a 10* quilt, overfilled, and a 7 r value rated big agnes sleeping pad. was just in the sierras last week, temps got down to 25*ish and windy and I was so comfy and warm in my tent I had to take my sweats off and just had my boxers and socks on. Also helped having my dog with his dog quilt on under the quilt as well. my friend however was so cold he had to steel my closed cell foam mat I originally brought for my dog (r value of like 2) because the shit he rented broke kek. I don't care if my sleeping bad is a lb heavier and a little bulky, shit is hilariously comfy and I won't have it anyway anymore.
>>2843459At zero humidity, right? Even then... 15°C below the comfort temp is a fucking lot.
>>2843260agree, spend the money once on a top shelf bag also get 20d outer fabric and 10d inner as you will lose feathers otherwise. >>2844647ultralightfags never cease to amaze me. You want durable shit, comfy then fucking light in that order. What good is a piece of fucking equipment if it breaks what good is a piece of equipment if its not comfy and then you get the lightest shit you can afford. Synthetic bags are really cheap 950 or so grams for a 20 degree bag at $250, get a sleeping pad that wont fucking pop with 70d bottom, i mean its just amazing how many fucking dudes get these ultralight sleeping pads overblow them and they pop. Ask me "heyyy man? you got any sleeping pad patches??? broooo" Of course i was there once, but learned my lesson pretty fucking quickly also always underfill your sleeping pad
Another pro tip is to boil water and seal it in bottles such as nalgenes , wrap it in a hiking sock, and throw them into the bottom of your sleeping bag. They will stay warm for hours and in morning have some ready water. Obviously the seal needs to be perfect but slept outdoors in 5 degrees weather in Maine last winter on a Katahdin summit trip and this helped
>>2841533Honestly for hunting, car camping, and rockhounding, I just use a Teton flannel bag. I know it's fake flannel but it works really well. >>2844654With the right tent and pads it's definitely possible.
>>2844879I stand by the hot water bottle in a sock trick
some years ago i took a road trip through some of colorado, bit of a southern route, started up through pagosa springs, then went up to gunnison, around to montrose, back down to durango before going back down to new mexicoanyways think i was in gunnison at an outdoors store that had a bunch of sleeping bags on somethin like a 20 or 30% discount, so i found the warmest i could find, think it's a north face rated for -20 deg. Fhave used it for years and it's kept me plenty warm, keep it in my car in case there's ever a night im stuck away from the house or just wanna take a camping trip
>>2847585nice blog no one asked.
if I want to put together three bags to cover four seasons in most of the US what ratings should I get? 0, 20, 50?0, 30, 50?
>>2847602I'd do 0, 30, and 50 or replace the 50 with a blanket. Just ordered a new 0° bag for winter. I was cold in the 20° bag even in the 30's, going to sell or give it away to friends. Both the 0 and 30 are Marmot.
I grabbed a cheap Carinthia Defence 4. It's perfect for spring and fall here in my country, but I'd go for Defence 6 during winter.
>>2847619If I may add, my Marmot sleeping bag works perfectly fine while in the comfort temperature range stated in its specs, and I freeze easily when out.Although, my model is no longer in production so I cant attest for the current generation products.
>>2847596hey no problem dude, yknow that reminds me while i was on that trip i stopped at the bbq place in pagosa springs, it was horrible! those guys really need to head down to texas and learn a thing or two before calling themselves a bbq joint, LOL!anyways, to make a long story short, when i was down in santa fe i met a buddy in town and we went up the mountain to find some primitive camping spotsnow, even though it was the last weekend of the ski season it was still pretty dang hard to find a camping spot. what a dilemma! luckily though we found a couple slots next to some guys who were there for the season. they were from albuqurque but for the season they come up and camp while working the ski valley. sounds like a cool gig!
for me it's the Teton
>>2841533I just can't sleep in a mummy style bag. My feet and lower legs get too cramped. What's a good rectangular shaped bag? Probably doesn't need to be really cold rated as I'm in Texas, but I want one bag to rule them all.
>>2847927I'm not familiar with Texan weather but what I like to do in the summer is to just use a proper wool blanket, I sleep so much better not having to deal with a sleeping bag and its easier to regulate body temp if the temps go up or down.
>>2841533So I am that guy today, the guy who asks:Which one is really small and light, but also really warm for winter? I need something that will fit into the paracord strapping on the top of my bag.
I bought a Sea to Summit Ascent Down but since I have broad shoulders it feels thight, but I guess it will happen no matter the sleeping bag unless is a custom one
>>2847954I suspect for what you're asking anything under $2k is a meme
Anybody know if Kelty brand sleeping bags are any good? I saw one at a resale shop yesterday, I've been thinking about going back and grabbing it
>>2847954Malachowski is goat for warm and small since they use the best goose downsif you are a poorfag like me their ultralight series is good enoughbut if you want the best of the best spent twice the money for the last 10% with their super ultralight
>>2841694>good subzero (<32F) >sleeping bags that compress to a small size? >Im willing to drop 250 bucks pick two and only two
>>2847954Exped makes good down bags and has tight cut and highly compressible bags for Alpinists.
>>2847602In the south, id say 30/50. Otherwise 20/40. Really it comes down to shoulder season and if it's consistently near freezing I'd go lower to account for extra factor like wind and humidity levels, elevation, etc. 0/20/40 is a common range and it generally holds unless your weather is mild. >>2847927One bag? Western mountaineering has one or 2 semi rectangular bags. I think one is a hoodless 25F which would probably fit the bill. Down bag will last a long time.>>2847966Assuming yours is the 62in shoulder width?Rei I think has a few bags that have a wide cut, including their own. Up to 74inches. Western Mountaineering and Feathered Friends have bags with wide cuts at 67 or 69 inches for some. If not getting a custom quilt or hoodless bag in a very large width is easy peezy if you swing that way.
>>2848065>Assuming yours is the 62in shoulder widthYeah, forgot to mention that, didn't go for the long version since the regular one felt too long already.
>>2847976I went ahead and bought the sleeping bag, but the previous owner tore the tag off. How can I tell what degree a sleeping bag is made for if it doesn't have the tags, and the color scheme doesn't match anything I see online?
>>2848631With down it's almost directly correlated to the loft height on the top of the bag. Synthetic it's very hard to guess. You might just have to get creative by searching. You could also check the overall weight and compare it to older kelty bags
If you can find one online, I've used the Slumberjack Boundry 0F for the better part of a decade and never got cold once. That includes exposed camping in a hammock at 25 degrees. It's a bit thicker than something like an ultralight but will definitely keep you much warmer - it's squash down in a compression bag and fit in the bottom of a overland pack.
How is 800g white duck feather for frosty/winter camps?I just ordered this one, the "Jungle King 800g white duck feather" winter bag, rated for use down to -10. Only 3.3lb means it's lighter than my shitty naturehike spring/summer one. I paid $70 for it in your money with delivery.I've been getting very sound sleep out there in the trees, but I've been awake at night from the chills, then to keeping the stove alive. Or sleeping hunched up to stay warm and drifting off in the early morning as the temperature improves. This in itself is a kind of stoic existence, shivering away the night time hours full of existential thoughts, it seems to build some spirit. But the time came to get something made for the job without paying twice as much. I just hope I can sleep naked inside even on a frosty night, that would be super comfy.
>>2841533MacPac still does good sleeping bags at a sensible price. Pretty standard gear in NZ. $nzd so halve it for USD. https://www.macpac.co.nz/outdoor-equipment/sleeping-gear/sleeping-bags?start=24&sz=12
>>2850308bro that looks like a scam, it way too cheap. compare it to any other -10 bag from a western brand
>>2850962It's not a western brand it's from chinese ali amazon. The weight seems right, 1500 grams, I actually paid $56 when converted. Remember it's duck feather and not goose, the Chinese eat a shit ton of it too so I'm betting those crafty little guys don't let me down and that it is yet another excellent purchase. Everything has been cheap as chips and extra well made.
>>2850973well I'm looking forward to your review when you receive it, but i would be surprised if it's actually -10. at least, i bet it's worse in terms of how easy it absorbs water, down loses warming power very fast if it gets wet, and good bags do special treatment or something on the feathersi looked at chink bags last year or so and i remember naturehike for example is similar to any western brand for most things (sleeping bags, backpacks, tents) that's why i'm scepticalalso it says 0c Comfortable Online Temperature in your picture, whatever that is. and look at the scale in pic related, maybe it's just false advertisement and you bought a 0c bag, not -10. but let us know when you receive it, maybe i'm wrong
>>2851082>well I'm looking forward to your review when you receive itYes I'll review it.The picture of the bag is from a thinner bag of the same brand/type, they are just too lazy to photo the green one that mine will arrive in. When it arrives in a few days I'll go lay down inside it in the harsh cold and post the results. If it's anything like the other stuff I've got then there will be no issues with the description.
>>2847903You are a great story teller. Albuquerque no less.
I don't use either a sleeping bag or a sleeping mat. I just sleep on the forest floor on my poncho.This is what I wear at night, it is sufficient for freezing temps100% Cotton T-Shirt100% Woolen T-shirt100% Woolen Sweater100% Woolen Sweater100% Woolen PonchoWoolen Long JohnsSheepskin PantsWoolen PantsMilitary sheepskin-lined overcoat (those things north-koreans wear)Woolen Balaclava (ski mask)Woolen CapRaccoondog-fur UshankaRabbitskin sleeves on my lower arm (keeps it airtight)Sheepfur Gloves Woolen Shooting MittensWoolen socks (x2)SandalsI just go lie down on the ground, I don't have a tent, I have a canvas soviet poncho to lay under me in case the ground is wet
>>2851611Oh, I forgot one item, also a minkfur coat.
