Weather is starting to get cold and I wanted to get you guys opinion so I figured I'd get the wool general goingWhat's an acceptable blend in your guys experience for /out/ings? I'm looking at getting one of those L.L. Bean birdseye sweaters and it's 80 wool 20 Rayon. Will the rayon be detrimental at all? Anyone have experience?
>>2844162100% merino wool
>>2844164Isn't merino wool not as worm as say lambswool?
>>2844162For /out/ I would sayAcceptable: 60% and upGood: 75% and upGreat: 80-90%Good: 100%Luv me a pure new wool Aran sweater tho.
>>2844162Rayon is a cost saving measure, and not even of the good kind (nylon/polyamide). Imagine if your garment was made of 20% non-durable cotton, that's what it's like. Ok for casual wear (assuming the garment is also 20% cheaper), not what you want for the outdoors.
Roughstuff is back. After the company was bought out by petromax and the old models discontinued, a new investor has bought the brand and now produces slightly modífied versions of the old jacket.https://roughstuff.eu/enThere's tons of companies producing similar garments these days, but roughstuff was the first (I believe).
>>2844168Merino will be warmer.Warmth is determined by garment weight. A 150g fabric (that’s 150 grams per square meter) is considered light weight and for warm weather. Heavier fabric is for cooler weather.Merino fibers are very fine, usually under 18 microns. Lambs wool (assuming it’s generic lambs wool) is closer to 25. It takes a lot more merino fibers to make a fabric of the same weight. It’s like comparing 850fp goose down to 650fp duck down. Two quilts with the same weight will have drastically different temp ratings. 10oz of 850fp is a lot more insulation than 10oz of 650fp.
I’ve found a few things at shopgoodwill. It’s kind of a roll of the dice because you don’t know the condition or if it’s been run through the dryer too many times. Usually you’ll find things like pic related. Not exactly marketed to the outdoors, so there’s no information on garment weight, but it’s 100% merino wool. Size M, so if you bid keep that in mind. Those sweaters are around $100 new, so maybe 80% off after shipping. Ngl they work great for casual wear as well, if they’re not beat to hell already. Outdoor name brands usually sell for a lot more. There’s a 250g 1/4 zip Smartwool sweater in a bidding war right now for $46. Still a good price, plus you know what you’re getting. But it may reach a price where it’s not worth the gamble or not worth buying used.
>>2844162im going paddling around some islands today in full wool under rain gear. the old timers knew it best. wool works so well in northern latitudes, ive tested capsizing in the stuff and its unreal how well it insulates when youre back in the boat even with the wind trying its best to cool you off again.
Anyone got sources for wool button up shirts in europe? I know some overpriced germans and pike brothers cpo. Varusteleka uses reycled "wool". Can't find sources for swanndri in EU. Bison bushcraft is in the UK too.Talking about swanndri... this one german compared several wool shirts for wind- and waterproofness and the swanddri actually performed really poorly.https://bushcraft-germany.com/index.php?thread/2347-wollhemden-vergleich/A US korean war wool shirt let through a mere 1/5 of the wind compared to a swanndri ranger. Pendletons shirts also better than swanndri, despite being substantially lighter.
Ive recently taken the woolpill, and I aim for all my clohing to be 100% wool of some kind, but what's /wcg/'s opinion on socks - both thick and thin. As I understand it the market meta is that pure wool socks are simply too fragile, thick wool socks usually get away with 80% wool, while thinner socks compensate with a lower percentage of wool, usually around 50-60% wool and the rest synthetic. In my experience the 50-60% socks smell a lot after a day, while the 80% ones smell less and air out the smell easier, however would it be worth it to try 100% wool socks? Ive found some thin socks that are 100% with good reviews. In my experience 80% thick socks hold up fine, but does anyone have any experience with 100% socks?
>>2844426>on all levels except physical I am a sheep
>>2844433Born to baa, forced to froth
>>2844426Yes, workwear stores used to be the best place to get 100% work socks for cheap, but they are always thick and coarse. Good for winter use. still worth checking out but since globalism most of the stuff I can find is synthetic Chinese stuff.You have to pay for them, but hiking companies have the best wool socks. HiTec, Smartwool, Wigwam, are some brands to look at.
>>2844440Ill give it a try then, thank you.
>>2844426from what i've heard usually 100% wool socks are less durable and don't really squeeze your feet much (i dont know if that's really a bad thing)the only 100% wool ones i've seen are all like hand knitted by people on etsy or somethingyou probably wanna learn how to darn them too since it's a lot easier and cheaper than buying a new pair
Opinions on blanket pins and wearing a cloak welcome. I’m thinking of going full retard.
>>2844805I saw a cloaked wierdo down a narrow path, he passed me as it curved slightly but a few moments later when the path straightened out he was gone. It was walled on both sides making this pretty much impossible.So yeah, cloaks are ominous things now.
>>2844805blanket pins to make an old school bed roll is based. During the summer months I like camping with just a ground pad and two wool blankets. Using pins to connect the blankets is even better
>>2844162Arctic fag here. Wool is goated with the sauce.My humble opinion is that no amount of synthetic fiber is acceptable in wool garments. Despite the benefits it may offer to the fit and comfort of the item, it will drastically reduce its lifespan. >>2844768This hasn’t been my experience. I have smartwool socks that I’ve heavily used for 5 years that are still in good shape. As long as you are wearing good fitting shoes and aren’t washing/drying them too much, your wool socks should last a long time.
>>2844960aren't all smartwool socks like at least 30% synthetic? when i was looking at socks that's what i saw at least
>>2844960>>2844962Take the darntough pill.
>>2844963but darn tough are exactly the same, are you implying they are 100% wool or that they are just good?
>>2844962Dang I’m a big gay retard I guess. I haven’t paid attention to the label on my smartwool socks for years since I get them free from work. I think they used to be 100% wool but you’re right, they no longer are. I guess mine just last so long because I wear them multiple times between washes and never put them in the dryer. I do make sure all my other base and mid layers are 100% wool.
>>2844965I’m saying they’re good socks and have a lifetime warranty. You want socks that are snug and you’re never going to get that and keep it with 100 percent wool. At least that’s where I’m at. At the very least ditch cotton socks entirely.Fucking life changing.
>>2844969Darn Tough socks have been a wool blend for decades because wool blend garments are significantly more durable than 100% wool. Interesting company too. They started in 1978, but were basically going bankrupt in the early 2000’s because they had just been selling comfy wool socks to soccer moms as a lifestyle brand and were being absolutely slaughtered by Asian imports. So in the early 2000’s they did a rebranding, focused on quality/durability and a niche market (outdoor enthusiasts), and backed everything with their lifetime warranty. A decade later they got a military contract and exploded in popularity.
>>2844426>>2844979weird i have worn 100% wool socks for years and they didnt wear out any faster than cotton or whatever other material. im not super keen on wearing plastics on my feet
>>2844960Nigga, you got it the wrong way around. Merinowool especially is fragile so synthetics are added to increase the durability and lifespan
>>2844805Anorak is the weirdest I'll go.
>>2844997It’s true. The softness and heat retention of wool are factors of its individual thread size, but so is durability. Cashmere is softer and warmer than merino garments if the same fabric weight due to having finer fibers, but is less durable because the individual fibers are weaker. Typical retail wool like Shetland and Donegal are scratchier but last forever. Merino took off in popularity because it’s a sweet spot of comfort and durability.
>>2845023That's what I like living in cold climates like Scandinavia, I could wear anoraks and still be normal, unless it's the city, people in the city are weird.
I appreciate all the knowledge in this threadBump for quality
>>2844960>My humble opinion is that no amount of synthetic fiber is acceptable in wool garments. Despite the benefits it may offer to the fit and comfort of the item, it will drastically reduce its lifespan. Based and true. Norwegian fag here, I use wool socks year round. Also wet wool still insulates.>>2844963You call that a sock?
Bought two pairs of clothing made in Yak wool from Nepal. Feels rough as fuck on the skin (so use base layer) but it's the toughest wool I've ever felt, also a more warm than merino. Not sure about breathability though.
>>2845380what socks do you buy norwegiananon?
>>2845417He uses wool knitted from his sisters cunt hair.
>>2845417Do excuse the bad quality photo, my phone camera sucks. Also I am out visiting my brother and his family ATM.The 2 in the middle is 100% wool, the one with white and red is my sister's handy work and the blue one is from a grand aunt, they are a bit too nice for proper outing then I use the big one witch is this one. https://www.felleskjopet.no/hjem-og-fritid/fritidsklaer-og-sko/stroemper-og-sokker/raggsokker-graa-50342935-base/The smal one I usually wear at any time also summer, it is a bit worn tho. I always wear 2 pairs when hiking to never get chafing. They are some kind of Ulvang-socks can't remember. Thay are like 60% wool. The big gray is 80% wool and every farmer, woodsman or outdoor labourer whort his salt have many off these ones.>>2845470This. It also depends a lot on the wool and knitting for how durable they are.
>>2845470how much she sell for?
the only 100% wool socks i see are from random european brands that dont even have an online store
I got a barbour jumper made of 100% lambswool and i'm now wool pilled. Never putting on anything made with synthetic fibers besides socks and shells
whool is extremely itchy I can't wear it!Why tolerate something that hurts when cotton exists?
>>2844162I'd like to get some wool shirts, but I've always found them to be too itchy. Are there options out there that aren't like that?
>>2845577You are weak, your bloodline is weak and before the advent of synthetic insulation you wouldn't have made it through the winter.
>>2845580You could always wear a cotton undershirt next to your skin.
>>2845609This>>2845577Pic related is you
Mohair is best, this one is ridiculous but if you can find a normal sweater it is elite midlayer
>>2844162For me I only go 100% wool if I can I absolutely love Swiss army uniform pieces especially my wool greatcoat
Discovered this wool wash recently. its got lanolin and a bunch of enzymes including lipase (the enzyme that breaks down body oils). I would but it but i still have a bottle of euclan that should last me a couple years at this ratehttps://steamery.us/delicate-laundry-detergent
>>2845577i'm autistic and even i prefer wool. from my experience the itchiness of wool depends on several factors such as:>type of wool (many types of sheep/etc)>how well it's processed>how long you've worn ittry to experiment and use it longer, you never know
>>2845760How important is using wool wash compared to regular detergent?
I can't find fucking shit used. No thrift store has any natural fiber period let alone wool.i just want socks. maybe underwear
>>2845799depending on the detergent it can be bad for the wool. protease enzyme is added to decent detergents to break down protein stains. but wool is made of protein so it will damage the fabric. Even if it doesnt have protease I think its supposed to be not ideal to use regular detergent. Baby shampoo is supposedly a better alternative.
>>2845801>He wants used socks that cannot be washed at high temperature
>>2845822Yeah. I'm poor. Wool is anti bacterial anyway. And there are other ways to get things hot than with water
>>2845824>Wool is anti bacterial anyway.Not anti fungal.
>>2845827Ok. I'm dirty.
>>2845822>>2845827>he needs to wash his wool at super high temps because he got it moldy somehow
i bought a bigass norwegian wool sweater and its too itchyi got owned
>>2845929filtered by kino
>>2845899>He doesn't know of foot fungus
>>2845929Wear a shirt under it ya dingus.
take the vicunia pill picrelbut srsly has anyone here have or used bison or qiviut (think it's musk ox? up in Alaska) wool?over the last couple years i've slowly been switching completely to merino wool for as much clothing as i canwearing a pair of wool denim jeans and a wool cpo shirt rn with a merino wool base layer, sure makes laundry a lot easier and they're so comfy and warm
I've worked in a sporting goods store for a year now, and have access to a very generous discount on wool socks and such. I have a few already but want to build a lifetime supply of fairly thick socks for winter. How many is enough?
>>2844253I'm sure I remember someone saying once that it was some Old Buschraft Trick to buy a size up in a Swanndri bush shirt and boil it to shrink and felt the wool for better weather resistance. I have no idea if that's a good idea or not
>>2846178I took full advantage of the discount. I'm feeling good.I am a big fan of First Lite fingerless wool gloves, but they were not marketed last year and no one has any supply this year. I've been told that they are making improvements and will come out with a new iteration in the future, but I'm looking for a backup pair now. I really like fingerless gloves, but I'm open to finger gloves as well.
did you guys know that sock suspenders/garter belts were a thing? even if you got 100% wool socks theyd probably fall down if you didn't have anything like that to keep them up
>>2846984or you could just get socks with elastic tops and avoid the autistic shit
>>2846986that's just what people did back then, i dont know why you think it was autistic
I've been slowly using more and more wool items over the past few years.Always wore wool socks, then start wearing wool tshirts / base layers and found them much more comfortable in both hot humid weather and cold weather even when they got wet.Last year I realised that what now start hurting on longer hikes wasn't my feet anymore but either between my thighs from wet underwear or the head of my dick would start chaffing from rubbing off my underpants.Switched to merino wool boxers earlier this year and have walked 30+km in humid conditions with no problems.Just don't buy light colours, the lower temperature you wash wool at isn't the best at removing skidmarks
>>2846995>Just don't buy light colours, the lower temperature you wash wool at isn't the best at removing skidmarksposts like these gives me a sense of superiority for having a clean butt
i wish i had a clean butt
>>2845706Wool greatcoats are peak aesthetics and you cannot convince me otherwise.
>>2847235i'd rather not be seen wearing those, my boreal mountain loden anorak is autistic enough
I have a lot of experiencing testing wool>For tops midlayers, here's my 2c of the bestIf you want woven for a good price, go for Great Australian Bushwear (they tend to be oversized) 70/30 woolpoly. About $100 with shipping to US.Alternatively there's Asbell Wool. It tends to run closer to $150 and I don't like the tighter fitting cuffs because you can't roll them up. I get it they are made for archery therefore the fit but that's my opinion.>If you want knit, the best 2 are these:Stanfields 80/20 wool. These run about $80 last I checked. It blends a tougher but loose enough wool to trap heat but breathe. I can't say enough how many wool/other sweaters suck. Either so thick that they don't insulate well or too thin and made for fashion.Another alternative is Petros wool sweaters. These run about $70 last I checked but come from Ukraine. This individual is actually working with the mill and has a few generations of material he is constantly updating to make the best product he can.>wool outerwearIf I went more outerwear, i'd go with a woven>knit #1. The empire wool canvas anorak is pretty good but kinda $$. I also really like Wool gloveralls. You can still find vintage duffle coats like this online that are really nice virgin wool.Swanndri's also good. The fabric is still from NZ last I checked so only the stitching is done in China>socksThe main thing you want is close to 80% wool or higher. I use Darn Tough for the warranty but I kinda like my costco ones too and find them about as warm because DT's tend to be too tight. Darn Tough has a fatter fit company called wide open socks with same warranty but they don't make a winter variant yet.>wool long johnsI find the stanfields 80/20 too scratchy for on skin but the superwool long johns work great for me. Yes 'superwool' means a plastic coating so it can be washed.
>>2847265>my boreal mountain loden anorakHoly based, Anon. Post pics, plz.I've got one of their Roughs and love it. Sewed some elbow patches onto it. Their blankets are awesome, too, although the price got jacked up since I bought mine.
>>2847283>Stanfields sells on EU amazon>Stanfields doesn't sell heavyweight wool on EU amazonUnbelievable how they import shit that everyone sells, but not the good stuff that noone else has.
>>2845706Hey, it looks exactly what I was looking for. A normal looking, long wool coat, without any branding pumping the price.I see it's around 50£. ~70 £ total with delivery. Is it warm enough to use it at winter?
>>2847370Coats like that cost at least 500€ new, the milsurp is a steal.A couple years ago I got two finnish wool blouson jackets from varusteleka, 30€ each. New jackets like that would be 200€ at least. Only the larger one fits me, but I'll keep the smaller one for a few more years and then flip it.
>>2846923I once boiled some random wool fabric that I had made a poncho out of (aka cut a hole). Afterwards it shed like crazy, totally unusable.
On the advice of this thread i went out and bought some merino smartwool thermal underwear. Makes my /out/ job soooo much comfier, and they feel amazingSet me back about 300$CAD, but worth it
>>2847890>300$CADShitballs, Anon. They better be good.>CADDid you know about Taiga Works in Vancouver? They are out of bottoms right now, but their stuff is really nice.https://www.taigaworks.com/collections/merino-wool-underwear
What thread count would you guys recommend for a pullover? In like below freezing weather 0-15 (f) degree range
>new alpaca wool beanie from varustelaka>Fits my giant head>Doesn't make me look like a total autist when out in the cold with the Mrs (my only other cold weather hat is a mink fur ushanka from the 80s)Thank you wool
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>>2848133I’ll have to get one next order I put in.
>Have several wool garments stored over summer>Supposedly tight container>Open today>One pant has a massive hole>A few worms crawling around insideTake care of your wool garments anons, moths can easily destroy them. This was a good pair of pants.
>>2848528damn, rip pants.what kind of containers, if you don't mind me asking?i've got my winter stuff in rubbermaids.
>>2848528anon.. you need lots of cedar and stuff on top of that so the moths think it's stinky wood
>>2848530It was a kind of fabric with plastic stiffeners. I think the problem might be the closure, it was like part zipper, part velcro. Might not have been tight enough... even though I'm pretty sure it was advertized as such.Ah well. The rest of it was untouched, the pants sat all the way down. I'm freezing the rest of it now and buying traps.
>>2848535Will do.I don't think it's so bad. My other bag (full zipper closure) appears untouched, and so does the coat that just hangs in my closet.
what (wool) fabrics are everyone's favorites for outerwear? i've heard twill weaves are pretty common but i'm sure there are many more, and many variations
>>2848758>OuterwearMelton (Broadcloth, Vadmal, Loden, etc.) is probably the most popular. Felted, dense, water and wind resistant, still warming. Tweed is popular with bongs, but it's not felted so inferior. Looks nice though. Honorable mention to wool gabardine, which is densely woven and smooth. Has the best windproofness and can be waterproof as well (the first trench coats were made from it) but is only used in super high priced fashion garments these days. Should make a comeback IMO.More open wool fabrics like felted knit (dunno what it's called in english) or open weaves can be used, but they are not windproof and usually not as durable either. Same counts for normal knits. Those are mid layers, not outer layers.
grails on the army base
>>2848823big bill wool pants
>>2848910>$3.55FUCK
>>2848916I need some big bill pants.
>>2848758Tweed Norfolk jacket, heavier weight fabric the better. The modern tweed wool is often teflon coated or something too.
gyat damn
I live in interior Alaska and wear wool most of the time. I wear a wool beanie basically 9 months out of the year only abandoning it in the heat of summer and wool socks year round. During the fall I wear a wool button up or heavy flannel wool CPO or mackinaw style jacket. Wool gloves are the best. They're warm, dry reasonably quickly, and can be repaired to a degree when they get thrashed grabbing alders and devil's club. When I'm fishing or out on a skiff, I wear a wool sweater underneath my Grundens. It keeps me warmer than my fleece. The only issue is making sure not to get it fishy when gutting and cleaning as it takes more care when washing. In winter I wear merino base layers with a shetland or worsted wool sweater as a midlayer and wool hunting pants. When it gets significantly cold I layer up thick wool socks with a felted wool liner in mukluks. I always hunt in wool sometimes covered by tin cloth pants or a canvas anorak with a fur ruff. Its quiet, warm, sheds water reasonably well, and dries out quickly when wet so that even mild exertion coupled with wind can return damp wool to an almost bone-dry state. Luv me wool. Simple as.
wool is life
>>2844426They're rather durable in my experience but I've only used some. I can't vouch for them but there's a company that specializes in making merino wool tshirts that also makes merino wool socks and all of their products come with a lifetime warranty so I assume if they really did wear out you could either get a new pair or your money back. They're pricey though
>>2844970There's army surplus 100% wool socks that are tight but they usually only have size 14 available and they're going to be basically knee high and a bit uncomfortable but hot dark are they toasty warm
>>2845577If its cold wear a button up underneath, if it's warm wear a mesh body suit
>>2845764This is true. I've got wool trousers that were rather itchy when I got them but after close to a year of almost daily wear they aren't itchy at all anymore.
>>2845801eBay, Anon. Don't buy them all and make me regret telling you.
>>2845822You can wash them at a high temperature but not in a washing machine. If you're going to be a trad Chad you're going to have to go all the way and simmer them in a cauldron over a roaring fire. It's the agitation and sudden temperature change that triggers the determination and shrinkage.> t. Just read through a knitting forum about dying wool in boiling water.
>>2846178I don't know but I'm going to say 300
>>2846987I always wondered why guys in old school stuff had those. Honestly, I think it would be better if it just buttoned or something.
>>2849351It was these >>2848910Dang that's a nice deal.
Just managed to thrift a 100% shetland sweater for $6. If it's real traditional shetland I don't know, but so far it feels fantastic. It says "made in Korea" if that matters.
>>2849407Okay scratch that, it's obviously not real. But damn it was worth it.
>>2849408hey a wool sweater is a wool sweater regardless who knitted it
Anyone buy from Asbell? Prices look good for made in US.
>>2849454I've got a couple of their wool bandanas and they are very nice material. I have no idea about the fit of the clothing, though. I wouldn't feel leery about ordering something from them based on what I've seen.
>>2849131where do you get mukluks? who makes ones that aren't fashion/souvenir quality?
>>2849462For white people mukluks, lots of people in town like the Seiger mukluks. They use some sort of rubber compound on the bottom. There’s also he green canvas Air Force mukluks which you can pair with the fleece and felted wool inserts. Both of these can be repaired using shredded tire. Some people also use bama boots but I feel like they don’t let my feet breathe enough. For quality traditional mukluks, the best thing to do is shell out the money for a local native person to make you a custom pair using whatever materials you want: sealskin, moose or caribou leather, wolverine, wolf or fox fur, whatever.
Is Woolpower worth it? Or is it a big meme?
>>2849567Thanks for the reply. I'm assuming you have the traditional kind then? My understanding is that these are really only effective footwear in "dry cold" conditions, is that right?
>>2849614I also want to know. It looks comfy.
>>2849614Got their base layers. They don't itch, they're larger than their sizing says, and you want to get their bottoms that has a """stretch wasteline""". They're so smooth I can barely feel them. Don't know about their durability for I just got them.
What are some good wool options for pants? I essentially just want jeans or chinos, but with the benefits of wool.
>>2849614I've yet to see a poor review of woolpower. It's well constructed, it's durable, it's made in sweden by a family owned company. The military uses it. The main problem with it is price. Their frottee stuff is basically without competitor, but for the lite stuff and many accessories there should be better options available.
>>2849651They're called dress pants. Try thrifting if you don't want to spend the money.Alternatively you can wear melton, but you will have to buy new (or milsurp, but it's all dried up). It's quite a bit warmer too.
>>2849651Johnson Woolen Mills looks pretty good. They don’t offer everything in 36” inseams so I haven’t tried them.
>>2849657dress pants might be nice, but not sure they're so suited for /out/, they would look a little too silly I feel, but i'm not sure
>>2849670>they would look a little too silly I feelWho cares what they look like? You'd need the more substantial ones of course. But yeah, dress pants are literally meant to be worn day to day, just like jeans or chinos. Why wouldn't they work outdoors?
>>2844162Woolrich used to be good. not sure now i havent bought anything form woolrich for a long time. just looked at their website the other day and it all looks like gay euvo-euro yuppy hipster trash modeled stuff.Ive got at least one Woolrich jacket that i've had for nearly twenty years.can only wear it in the fall/winter. not year round. so.its very sturdy and an old rusty favorite
>>2844253>"testing" wool shirts for how windproof they areThat's how you know they're competent. >>2844768My experience has been the exact opposite, blends have been more frail for me. Still have my pure merino wool socks from when I was a teen in the scouts. >>2846987They tied a string over the sock just below the knee and folded the fabric over. >>2848528If you don't want to use synthetic repellents you can buy pure camphor blocs. Just don't pull them out of the plastic, make and incision, wrap it in a rag and put it in a relatively enclosed container next to the wool. The container does not need to be sealed, some ventilation might be desirable. Camphor, however, does not kill the insect. Need pure wool trousers, who has experience with these? >https://www.johnsonwoolenmills.com/collections/mens-pants>https://borealmountainanoraks.com/products/bma-100-wool-pantsI like the bibs. >>2848916The pure ones are only available with that plaid pattern, right?
>>2849631I have some handmade traditional ones now that a friend gave me for helping him with a few projects, but I used the green canvas airforce mukluks before. They did just fine for multiple seasons down to about -20 or -30 while moving. Also yes you are correct. These are only effective for dry cold. They rely on loft, are not waterproof, and need to be dry in order to vent heat and wick sweat when you're moving.
>>2849651woven wool pants like gabardine or wool twill
>>2849735Ive bought cedar wood pellets and splashed some cedar oil onto them too. The contents of the infected box are in the freezer. The rest of my wool was unaffected, but I put the pellets around there.
thoughts on superwash wool? It seems that basically all modern wool uses superwash wool, with a lot of it essentially being covered in polyamide resin, even if it is described as 100% wool. I haven't tried vintage wool, but I still find A LOT of benefits with wool over things like polyester, and to me the overall affects of the treatments seem minimal on the good properties of wool.
>>2850021>all modern wool uses superwashNot quite, I got a new British jersey and a Norwegian-made jumper that I don't think are treated since you can smell a very faint sheep odour on them, which would be eliminated with such treatment. I avoid all the plastic I can, superwash only has drawbacks if you're already washing your wool by hand.
>>2850021I don't see the problem with superwash wool. It's clear that the anti odor properties of wool are retained with it, it's more durable, it can be washed. I only wash wool in wool cycle still, but it's nice to have the option in case something gets really soiled.
>>2849407Nice I got a half lambswool half cashmere sweater for my upcoming Christmas trip for $20. It's a shade of red that's not very flattering but it's a nice sweater.
>>2849670People used to go /out/ in them before they invented all of those other pants. Heck the guys who first visited Antarctica were dressed in them with a lady in a Victorian dress with a hoop skirt. The trick if you're really having trouble is to go for the Sportsman look and sew leather patches on them. Usually it's the blazer with leather on the elbows and shoulders but you could put some on the knees and/or rump.
>>2849735Haven't tried either but I would get the 100% wool one it will work and be worth it. Don't bother with the first if you're going to get a mixed one get from Revival Vintage they're fancier, more traditional, and cheaper.
>>2850209I've found that basically all dress pants don't feature a gusset though, which I feel like is pretty important for a man, all my current pants have them. Maybe I could just try adding a gusset?
>>2850223Properly tailored suit wool trousers are the single most comfortable lower garment I've tried, including gusseted trousers. What gusseted trousers do you use? >>2850209It all depends on fabric and construction, one can still find proper hunting suits suitable for outdoor sports but they cost as much as dress ones.
>>2850229Current gusseted trousers are Lululemon ABC pants, they're very comfortable, and I've worn nothing but them for over a year, but a couple days ago it got a hole at back of the gusset at the stitch, easily repaired though. Want to move away from synthetics though. I will try to thrift some wool dress pants soon, any advice?
>>2850223Yeah I'd go for it
>>2850259Bring a flashlight and thoroughly check the whole garment for moth holes against the light , check especially under folds of fabric.
>>2850259Anon there is Big Bill, Johnson Woolen Mills, and surplus.
>>2844963The best hiking socks money can buy, but cold compared to real wool socks.
>>2849631Cold conditions are dry, if it's not dry, then it's mild.
>>2850379I loaded up on some slightly oversized surplus extreme cold weather Darn Tough socks. They are pretty warm, and perfect as a second layer sock.
>>2850405Yeah, they are quite amazing, I use mine right now, but it's only -16 degrees today, had -23 yesterday, and will probably see -30 before christmas.For those colder days, thick heavy wool socks is the only correct choice.
Not quite an /out/ question, but I'm looking for cardigans. Wool would be great, but other materials are fine too. I just need another sweater with buttons.
>>2851028https://en.zalando.de/men/?q=cardigan>3087 itemsYeah.Don't worry though anon, I'm sure some anon will sing the praises of some cardigan he happens to have, so you'll get out of your decision paralysis yet.All I can say is: a cardigan should be new wool and max 20% nylon/polyamide. No polyester, absolutely no acrylic, no recycled wool. Merino is optional if you have baby skin.
>>2851036Actually, I do have some experience. Try outdoorknitwear/niffi. They make a good wooly pully from medium coarse wool, if their cardigans are similar they should be pretty good.
>>2851028aran.com
Frens, I am well provisioned in the means of woolen socks, jumpers, underlayers and typical wooly garments, however I am at an absolute loss finding a good pair of wool trousers for going /out/. UK-based, and we as a nation have a proud tradition of milling woolen working mens clothing (think tweed), however it seems nigh on impossible in this day and age to find a pair of trousers that are both woolen and practical in the sense of rambling and camping in the outdoors.
>>2851471>First Lite Obsidian FoundryNot entirely wool, but as a wool maniac I think the Obsidian do great. It's my go-to for every season. Currently on good sale.>SwissLink Classic Wool Cargo Pants100% wool.>Särmä TST Woolshell PantsDon't own these two but they peaked my interest.
>>2851471Frankly, just go with varusteleka woolshell. For 70/30 recycled wool they're kinda overpriced, but they're reinforced at the right points and you can easily order and return them.I know of some german and austrian loden pants that use much higher quality wool, at similar prices. Try jagdfieber and bekla. These have the best climatic performance, but they are not the most durable. That one probably goes to english fabrics like thornproof tweed or cavalry twill, which I suggest you also check.
>>2851479Great shout on the cavalry twill, I had no idea that was a wool fabric; thought it was usually a cotton weave.
>>2851473>>2851479Looks like Decathlon do something quite similar to the Varusteleka pants at a fraction of the cost. Their wool blend seems fairly similar too. Shame the Swedish M39 stuff isn't available for pennies anymore, should have bought some when I had the chance a few years back.
What thinner pure wool socks are available in the EU?
>>2851479I just bought their 70% wool 30% polyamid blanket shirt and it's my favorite clothing piece ever. I'm real bummed for the fact I can't use it in the summer.>>2851487As a Swede I've been looking non-stop for M39 pants, and all that's left are sizes for skeletons. Not even Scandinavian surplus stores could save me.
>>2851541The Blanket Shirt looks amazing, but back then I chose the Woolshell Jacket because of the armpit ventilation.
>>2851471https://origopro.com/en/product/karu-loden-wool-pants/https://micklagaard.com/en-us/collections/trousersBoth make the Varustreleka pants look cheap. See if you can buy Big Bill pants from any of their Canadian retailers.
https://sasta.com/collections/wool-trousers-for-menCodet from Canada
>>2851587>840 g/square meterWell that's impre...>20% RayonWHY>>2851588>65 % Recycled wool, 30 % Polyester, 5 % Other fibersJagdhund uses 95% sheep, 5% alpaca. That's the good stuff.https://w.grube.de/p/jagdhund-herren-lodenhose-gamsleiten-2/725841/?qc=10346241#itemId=7258414654Jagdfieber and Bekla use 100% sheep.https://www.jagdfieber.com/tag/lodenhose/https://shop.trachtenmode-versand.com/de/herrenbekleidung/hosen/lange-hosen>>2851486Whipcord is another similar fabric.Frankly, those tightly-woven wool fabrics (gabardine too) are underappreciated these days. They're like an all-natural replacement for polycotton, more durable and windproof and less warm than melton.
>>2851596>WHYThat was the deal breaker for me as well. Went with the Boreal Mountain Anorak instead.
>>2851486>>2851596I would absolutely love to get my hands on some woven wool fabric. Everywhere I look locally for wool online, I find either suiting fabrics or just yarn. Where are you supposed to buy old school wool fabrics from?The impression I got was that since synthetics took over the market there was simply no economically viable way to make old school wool anymore.
>>2844186>Luv me a pure new wool Aran sweater thoIf only there was a single person on the planet making them in tall sizes. I'm tempted to gain 100 pounds just to make buying clothes easier since they only make clothes for tall people if you're also a disgusting fat fuck.
>>2851604Apparently they use surplus fabric. And they claim the rayon is "extremely durable" (which rayon usually isn't). I know that armies used to blend their wool with rayon, but I don't know why sweden would do that postwar (americans and finns for example used nylon instead). Ah well.>>2851605I can give you like ten sources for german loden, but that's not what you're after, is it? I think tight-woven wools like gabardine or such are simply not that much better than cotton or polycotton in most use cases. You can barely even see the difference. Melton has a unique look and unique properties that keep it afloat both in fashion and outdoors.
Ordered some alpaca socks from Hollow. Hope they’re good.
>>2851596>>2851604Rayon is pure cellulose. >>2851609Rayon is durable, just not as a pure external layer. It's normally used as a silk surrogate, especially as a jacket and trousers liner. It's a nice material. Micklagaard seems to have stopped using surplus fabric, look at the reviews. People have started complaining about the quality.
Also germs need to stop spamming their dogshit loden everywhere. It's crap, and it's not like it's hard to find.
>>2851728>The durability and appearance retention of regular viscose rayons are low, especially when wet; also, rayon has the lowest elastic recovery of any fiber. However, HWM rayon (high-wet-modulus rayon) is much stronger and exhibits higher durability and appearance retention. Recommended care for regular viscose rayon is dry-cleaning only. HWM rayon can be machine-washed.[37]:83Well who knows what they used in that fabric.>>2851729Loden is the finest wool fabric on this side of the channel and you will not convince me otherwise.
>>2851729Cordings has loden coats and I think they know a bit more about wool fabrics than you do.
>>2851730I have 30 years old used trousers and jacket with their liners intact. It's durable for its purpose. Like I said, it's used as a silk surrogate. >>2851731Anon, you're not going to hike in that kek. Why are germs so emotional about their loden? That's something you'd only wear if you stood three hours in a hunting stand in the drizzle, and even there we have better now. It must be terrible for sports.
>>2851733The only one emotional is the one calling it dogshit crap probably without ever wearing it. Loden is the same as swedish vadmal or english broadcloth (melton is apparently a bit different but similar). And it's been popular for centuries for a reason.>Anon, you're not going to hike in that kek.Plenty of soldiers did just that. They have somewhat less movement range for the legs, but for most hikers it wouldn't be a problem. The real problem is they're too expensive.
>>2851736L M F A O
>>2851729I got the BMA loden>doesn't itch for me>stiff>not as cozy as other wool>more durable>more wind resistant>more water resistant>breaths lessI use it for hiking Scandinavian winters (approx -15 to -40 celcius), so it works great for wind and both walking and standing still (1-3 wool sweaters+200gsm wool base-layer). Depending on how high psychical activity I have, I might need to take it off, just like any other winter layering. So from my late season experience, loden works great when used correctly. Don't know how cold it gets for Germans, and the only water I get is from melted snow on my shoulders. For fall-autumn I prefer my Särmä 70/30 wool/polyamid anorak so I wont drown in sweat.
>>2851738Yes, that's what I expected. I'd much rather work with a string vest, wool shirt, windbreaker and add a down jacket when still. Or a lighter wool shirt instead of the windbreaker like those Swanndris. Is the germ right? I thought wadmal was different from germanese loden.
>>2851737>Loden greatcoat from cordings, 1200€>Reproduction greatcoat from Nestof, 170€The duality of greatcoats. I do assume the latter is made from 50/50 recycled "wool" or something like that, but still.
someone send me $6000 for this fur coat and i will post nudes of me snow bathing
>>2851790Are you a female with a nice ass?
>>2851790You could make your own out of sheepskin for a fraction of the price. Still disappointed I didn't get more of those beautiful, long and thick wooled sheepskins from Ikea when they were 50 or 60 eurorinos 14 years ago.
>>2851802I checked and they seem to be still available. 50 euros a large sheepskin, which at least back then were very high quality. I'm not sure if that can be beaten. Captcha: GRATS
>>2851802Mfw it will never again be cold enough to wear these in central europe
>>2851736Those greatcoats were not just coats. They were also pseudo sleeping bags and pseudo shelters. You were not necessarily going to get a tent or bedding for the night. You just slept in your clothes.
>>2851807It has never been, bubba. That's made for the Russian military stationed near the arctic... This thread is for people who go outside for sport, larpers need to stop posting retarded shit.
>>2851791for 6k i'd be anything you want babe
>>2851802nta but those look to be buffalo coats. one of my uncle has one. they are heavy as fuck.
Recommend me some pure wool, non-merino liner socks.
>62cm noggin>Buy beanie size large>Too smallThe one I have is ultra stretchy, which means the wind just goes right through when I wear it.
>>2851918kek>>2851954may get one some day, those things are based as fuck
>>2852269They also try to squeeze off your head. Best fitting beanie is the camo (commando?) beanie at Varustreleka.
Does anybody have recommendations for wool pants that won't wear out quickly? Mine keep wearing out at the knees and inseam.
>>2852385What wool trousers are you using?
>>2852395Don't remember the specific model, but they are Icebreaker pants.
>>2852385Several militaries use woolpower long johns, but I would guess other long johns with high synthetic content are similar. Stanfields makes heavyweight wool with coarser fibres, which should be durable as well. Make sure they're large enough or there will be extra friction.For trousers, look for coarse wool and high synthetic content, but also fabric reinforcements (many wool trousers are reinforced at the knees and the seat). The Särmä TST Wollshell Trousers are a good start.
>>2852282Was considering it, but my mom will knit me one.
>>2851730Loden is the only fabric I would climb over a good Tweed to get to. Fantastic stuff but quite stiff and heavy. Amazing in snow.I'm usually a Harris or Shetland Tweed fag but I snaffled some Jagdfieber trousers and am very impressed.
>>2852868Felted wool fabric is a good idea for the outdoors, simple as. That's why basically every wool wearing culture used it.
>>2852868I would have tweed or any Brit fabric over gay germ loden anytime. Wish gabardine sportswear actually apt for sports was easier to find.
>>2852912isnt britain half indian now? what's so good about them?
>>2852930Nothing (well, not compared to other first world fabrics, these days at least). The guy just hates everything german with a passion if you didn't notice. Tweed is an unfelted fabric, so inferior in most respects to loden or similar fabrics except looks and sometimes durability (thornproof tweed). Gabardine is a very dense worsted weave, which makes it absolutely windproof, durable and water repellent, but not warm. It can be used in shell garments (traditional trench coats were made from gabardine) but is not commonly used at this point, probably because it is really expensive.
>>2852961You can still find those US WW2 wool gabardine overcoats for a decent price, not sure how they wear though https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160473305424?_skw=wool+gabardine+us&itmmeta=01KC2JG4J6BGRFK193J8CZTZP3&hash=item255cf45150:g:u5MAAOSwLYBf4Mhx&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1eV9NmD%2FX2O9aiClnvuW2iZTZgOZfX%2BpTv4o1Yygg1JZIJw86i7Zb0bUPKO3hW3Bv2TrYL9siEjYEK7pAWclFatUVev%2FkGiCq5GuCJWc0YfIA%2B3UDDzaJENu2X3LHA0YzpJTTfOeg8tOXX8WUhQPZtg9%2FxdAZFuwO7Oy9yzx2wt%2B87IM22iXfXL66v2N82EsoZRFuJZpWK8M4TtErc%2BHXPKY8jFQYqDyRkijO6f%2Fq0jVco7c39I93j13MQOmCWhYAo%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6TJwNLgZg
>>2852961>The guy just hates everything german with a passion Indeed I do, and for good reason. Germs have no outdoors, know nothing about outdoors, do not really go outdoors and should be region banned from the board. >Tweed is an unfelted fabric, so inferiorNonsense. Loden is a thick, dense and extremely heavy fabric, that like I explained so many times before is simply unsuitable for any demanding activity -like outdoor sports- due to, surprise surprise being heavy, not breathable, way too hot and not even really windproof nor waterproof. It's like wearing a blanket. Gabardine was developed because loden is simply dogshit at doing anything. >but not warmThank god we have kr/out experts explaining us that wool isn't warm. Is there really something like five guys on the whole board that are not obese larpers? Who would suggest a loden greatcoat for outdoor sports LMFAO, no one but fat germs playing pretend use that rubbish. Ask yourselves why. This is a thread about wool, not loden. Please stop spamming that dogshit.
>Loden King>https://voca.ro/1m3wqQqu7RRg
>>2853011>Germs have no outdoorsAs opposed to what, England? Where the countryside is almost exclusively privatized by large land owners, soil is degraded and forrests grazed due to centuries of intensive sheep cultivation and the right to roam (walk, cycle, ride horses, camp or paddle — on nearly all rural land) is virtually non existant?
>>2853011>Germs have no outdoors, know nothing about outdoors, do not really go outdoors and should be region banned from the board.Yeah, I rest my case. Why do I even still engage with this mindset.>not breathable and not even really windproofWatch out, german fabrics break the laws of physics.Anyway. Loden exists in different thicknesses (though the traditional Loden was meant for alpine regions and is comparably heavy.) The heavy stuff is suitable only for deep winter, or standing/sitting still like hunters do (which is still /out/, mind you). It's breathable nonetheless. The lighter stuff is for whatever warmer conditions or exerting activities. If it's too warm for the light loden (like the roughstuff I posted earlier in this thread) you don't need a jacket either. The only real disadvantage with loden is that it's indeed not totally windproof. The lighter stuff especially, though this also makes for great breathability. It's a bit like wearing a fleece as outer layer. Many people do that, but only in not too windy conditions. Heavier loden has good windproofness. If you really want the full windproofness in mild cold, I would go with a gabardine shell. They're just generally unavailable and unaffordable.Protip: If the existence of germany triggers you, you can go with melton or mackinaw wool, which is very similar.
>>2853032Unironically, yes. >>2853037>You don't need a jacket You don't even go out, what are you giving advice for you dolt? That's not how it works. You always dress so that you're cold when you start, you'll still need protection from the elements. You can't do that with lhogden. It's definitely not breathable compared to any sports fabric. Are you autistic? Nobody gives a damn if you like the stuff, you don't need to justify your retarded ideas to me. Stop spamming the damn thread.
>>2853072>Complains about spam while spamming AI slopLook in the mirror every once in a while.>It's definitely not breathable compared to any sports fabric.Only if that sports fabric is fleece or something. Also what are you comparing wool to modern synthetics for? Nobody who's in any way serious about the outdoors wears wool except maybe some merino base layers. It's obsolete, expensive, heavy, slow drying. People who wear wool do it because they want to wear wool or at least natural fibres. Loden is an option for that. No more, no less.>Nobody gives a damn if you like the stuffDude you're positively triggered by me, or others, liking the stuff.
>>2853079Looks like the based rudeboys once again struck you right in the ass. >>2853079>Fleece>Breathable>Complain about wool in the wool threadYou're just pretending to be a moron. I don't think it's working as intended. Why do you keep coming here lecturing people who actually do the things you dream about? Have some humility, we all can see through your crap.
>>2846159I have several pairs of bison wool socks from the Buffalo Wool Company. I like them a lot, and plan to get more once there's a restock in my size. 10/10 recommend.
>>2853240How does bison compare to sheep wool? Anyone tried yak?
>>2852978it's too bad the linings of those coats are always polyester or something, i hate how stinky plastic gets, at least you can remove iti wouldn't buy one because i dont want to look like a ww2 nerd but they're very cool
My step daughter has a sweat allergy. She says she can't wear coats anymore or she gets overheated and her skin breaks out. She's been wearing regular hoodies and being cold. I was thinking of getting her 3 of these to help her out. A greater wool blend would be expensive and if I got only one for $60 she'd have to wear it until spring. She's an adult and has a husband so this is just a courtesy to try to help and show that maybe I still give a shit about her despite previous issues. She didn't ask for anything or even tell me but I'm not looking for interpersonal relationship advice, just insight into wool blends and undershirts. I don't know about shirts, but since I switched to wool blend socks my feet problems have all not disappeared so I'm a believer in the material.
>>2854125Dude that's a rayon/acrylic shirt with about as much wool as spandex.Wool (actualy wool, not 8% wool) is decent at managing sweat generally. Something about absorbing it without feeling cold. Of course cotton also absorbs sweat (and feels somewhat cold, but that doesn't seem to be the problem). If absorbed sweat in cotton causes her problems, but absorbed sweat in wool doesn't, a pure wool undershirt might be useful, or a wool/cotton blend. Synthetics are right out, and I don't really know about rayon but it's cotton adjacent so might be similar. Since this is supposed to be a gift, I'd go for a single good wool/cotton shirt as a sort of experiment. If it helps her, she can buy more of the same kind herself.
>>2854127Thank you for responding.I ordered a different one with sightly more wool. Because it's cheaper and I can get 4 of them. If that doesn't work, I can return at least the other 3 and buy a single one. The issue is one is none. She's got 2 tiny kids and a dog. She was always having issues. We used to have to buy specific detergent so she wouldn't break out. Forget about spicy food. I've personally been using the amazon poly underlayers for work since they are cheap and I need 5 if I only want to wash once a week. They work okay and I'd rather have wool, but I didn't want to spend hundreds of dollars on stuff my job will ruin. I may reconsider that now that I think about it. How long can you get away with using the same wool underlayers? I work anywhere from 8 to 16 hours a day.
>>2854208>How long can you get away with using the same wool underlayers? In normal use up to three or four days, outdoors about a week. You should wear them on rotation and air them in between uses. Woollen overgarments don't require frequent washes if rotated and aired regularly, maybe a couple times per season. I'd rather have a single quality garment. 8% is nothing, it's likely to be recycled wool which has a shorter fiber. I don't recommend purchasing on Aliexpress but if your budget is limited they can have the best price/quality ratio. This costed me 20 euros when I bought it, pure new Australian merino wool, good quality. >aliexpress.com/item/1005007931084899.htmlMake sure it's pure, new wool. Do some searching especially in the recommended product section and you'll find bargains. It's best to buy wool in the hot season, prices can be lower.
>>2854208Depending on where you are located you may be able to buy Isobaa branded stuff. They are made in china, but as far as value for a 100 percent wool shirt is concerned Isobaa are a pretty good deal. I dont know the ins and outs on how they process the wool and if the fibres are coated with synthetics or not (relates to the superwash discussion above). Maybe other anons know.
>>2854293Cucked by tariffs, unfortunately. >>2854261I think for that price plus shipping I can just find some Carhartt wool on sale here. If the chinesium doesn't work I'll look around for something like that.
Does anyone know of any good store that sell commando sweaters in EU? I was checking out some military surplus stores, but I don't like how some of them look and those that I do like, they don't have in my size.Something like this: https://www.gomilitar.eu/products/original-belgian-military-commando-pullover-warm-knitted-wool-sweater-green-new.
>>2854410Import them from outdoorknitwear in the uk. Or search for wooly pully, some models are being imported already.
>>2854419Thanks for the suggestion anon, I'll check it out.
>>2851471Ended up getting myself a pair of British army no.2 trousers. Advertised as 80% wool but seems the pair they sent is of an older pattern and made of 100% wool, so thats a win. Seem pretty comfy so far, and for only £14 I'm not too bothered about partaking in any sort of /out/ pursuit with them. Must be the absolute rock bottom price one can get a quality wool garment at really.
She came over and is testing the 9% wool shirts now. She says it's comfortable and hasn't broken out. We're in a hot kitchen and she's wearing it (long sleeves) and says she's not sweaty. I know 100% would be better, but at 25% the price I can get her four and that should get her through the winter. Allegedly she has a coat. It's a stupid situation, but she didn't ask for help and she's been cold and gotten sick. I had to do something. (There's a huge sub plot about repairing her relationship with her mother but this is bloggery enough already.)
>>2854745for the record anon, wool doesn't really make you sweat less, it just takes the sweat off your skini really recommend less clothing and more wool anyway if the moisture wicking is the main reason you're buying it, you can usually wash the stuff less than typical clothes, but im not sure with the whole sweat thingi think some synthetics are also good at moisture wicking but i forgot because i dont wear them lol
>>2854757It seems to be working and it turns out she has no actual coat so I bought her one. I was misled. I thought she couldn't wear one but that she didn't. Long story. I dropped $140 on her. She's better off now. Maybe she won't get sick so easily again.
>>2845577Just wear a soft merino shirt under it. Eventually you’ll get used to it and not even notice.
