Best way to /out/ in winter is ski touring. Prove me Wrong>most efficient form of mountain transport >Fun as fuck on the downhill>Cost of touring setup and avy gear keeps the poors out>High fitness and skill requirements keep the /in/lets out>Faster, easier and more fun that snowshoes on the way up>Powder skiing on the way down>No trails needed to get up the mountain, meters of snow cover all bush and vegation so you can pick whatever path you want>no rock fall >snowpacks are incredibly complex and interesting to learn about >spatial distribution of snowpack variability in mountains makes for constant intellectual game of knowing where risky/bad snow is and avoiding those areas>like hiking, but with way more thinking, and more independance>great workout>powder skiingWhy the fuck don't you ski tour anon? Don't tell me you're a flatlander...
I pity those who never learned to ski/
>>2845062>Why the fuck don't you ski tour anon? Don't tell me you're a flatlander...I do
>>2845065How do you like that tent for winter camping? I've been told they aren't really waterproof.I'm partial to pyramid tarps like the megalite, tons of room with 2 people and I can excavate the snow inside to make cold sinks, chairs, shelves etc. Downside is no floor obviously.
What stove do I get for melting snow? Is liquid fuel the only way?
>>2845067I've had it in rainstorms. Water does not soak through the tent and make things inside wet, but it does take a decent amount of time to dry out afterwards if there is no sun.The primary benefit of it is that it is ultralight but also has multiple strong guylines built in that makes it able to handle extreme wind with no issue. I've had it in winds up to 80mph without problems.
>>2845070You don't need liquid fuel unless it is very cold. Like below 0F. Other typical gas canisters should work fine.
Rate my quiver bros>>2845072Disagree. Melting snow just takes a ton of fuel and the liquid fuel stoves start to become more weight efficient than canister stoves as fuel loads get bigger. For short trips, cooking for max 2 people in warm temps canisters are nice, but for extended trips, melting snow or cooking for multiple people liquid stoves are still the go to. Plus with liquid fuel you don't have annoying half empty canisters that you don't want to take out again, but can't throw out. >>2845070MSR Dragonfly is the best, but heavier than the Whisperlite, which is basically unchanged for decades (bc it just works).
Show me your best tracks from last season boys
>>2845062>Best way to /out/ in winter is ski touring>Prove me Wronghere ya go
>>2845246>BBBRRAP BRAP BRAP >BRRRRAAPP>VVVRRROOOM VRRROOM >So much noise that it's all you can hear even on the other side of the valleyNo thanks, I like nature.
>>2845250Just offer them a case of beer, and point towards a thinly iced lake. It's Canada's #1 from of natural selection.
>>2845062I gave this old dad a ride once and he talked my ear off about how orgasmic skiing was. Tried it a few times and never really creamed my pants. I must be a masochistic retard though because I much prefer spending my winters climbing
>>2845070msr reactor, middle pot volume (1.7L i think?), alpine bomb modification or a cup that fits a canister and then fill it with hot piss.
>>2845492bro taking the gameboy camera touring
>>2845193Two years ago in Cortina Italy. I miss it so much.
>>2845074Nice skis but wtf are those pants.
>>2845062>>2845062I tour a lot in the winter. Looking to get into multi day stuff and done some sniw caves but I have a hard time finding people to go with. How do you spend the long night? How do you be comfy around camp when sitting on snow for hours is not advisable? Can multi day touring ever be comfy?
>>2845538snow caves not worth it most of the time. They take forever to dig, and you'll get wet digging it in. When well built they're super warm, but you need a deep ~3m/9 foot snowpack to even build them in the first place. A pyramid tarp sets up fast, and because it has no floor you can just dig into the snow and still get shelves, seats, cold sinks, etc>How dyou you be comfy at camp in snow for hours4 season shelter, -20 rated bag, inflatable mattress, lots of fuel and food.Best way to spend the long night is to be cuddling your gfCandle is a nice touch too but you need to have some way of holding it. I drilled a couple holes in an old can and hang it down from the cieling of my pyramid tarp below the centerpole. Gives nice light for the long dark hours and provides a suprising amount of warmth.
>>2845246Foul behavior
>>2845751A 9' snowpack is pretty wasy where I'm from but yeah, I wouldn't dig a cave for skiing unless I'm going to spend 3 or more nights in it. I wish the gf would come with me but she doesn't like thrilling sports and doesn't like being cold. She is part of the reason I am asking, wondering if there is any good way to just hand out around camp but it really doesn't sound like it. I've found a couple hot springs with skiing nearby but they are long ass drives away and I don't know how warm they will be in winter and beta for skiing near them doesn't seem to exist
>>2845062Need crampons for my 350 mm boots for skimo. Any recommendations, /out/?
>>2845952If you really want to be warm you could always carry a hot tent and camp in the woods. That is heavy and niche though.
>>2845062Boarding is way more fun in powder, loser!
>>2845976I also have big boots. Get the Petzl hybrid ones with the cord tensioner. You can adapt the cord to basically any size.
High alpine touring last season, hoping to get some hut to hut tours in Itsly next year
>>2845062>Best way to /out/ is ski touring.FTFY, HTH, HAND
>>2845062Most fat fucks on /out/ would probably die of a heart attack if they had to tour up a mountain.
>>2845062So, I cross country ski a lot in the mnts. Always with touring skis; wider with metal edges but still bicambered and efficient at kick and glide...but I hate going down hill. I usually crash and burn. Are their alpine back country touring skiis with the emphasis on touring- where maybe they had fish scales so you didnt have to skin up at the slighest incline? All I wanna do is x-country ski but be able to lock my heel when I come to a hill. any suggestions?
>>2845062I want to go back
Skied a lot when I was younger and less poor. Tour'd a bit and had big dreams of being a guide or some bullshit but after I done my knee in I ended up giving it up. Its bonkers fun though, I think id be pretty broken now If I carried on anyway, but I regret not doing some ski trips since then.
>>2845976>>2846248Seconding the petzl ones with the cord, I have the irvis hybrid (steel frontpoints, aluminum backpoints) and a 330mm boot. The cord they come with stock isn't long enough for your boot so you'll need to buy an extra length of cord and tie em together. Petzl sells the cord by itself if you need to do this>>2846236admittedly, looks fun as fuck in steep and deep powder, but boarding is objectively a slower less efficient form of travel. I don't envy slowboarders whenever I see them flopping all over the place splitskiing the flats or spilling on icy skintrack without edges. >>2846249beauty
>>2846700>admittedly, looks fun as fuck in steep and deep powder, but boarding is objectively a slower less efficient form of travel. I don't envy slowboarders whenever I see them flopping all over the place splitskiing the flats or spilling on icy skintrack without edges.As a splitboarder I can confirm it's fun as fuck in steep and deep. But you're right it's much more inconvenient than skiis; transitioning the board and bindings takes me ten minutes and is kind of annoying in deep power. Then I watch ski tourers rip their skins off without taking off their skiis. All newer splits have edges on the inside and most bindings can fit crampons if it's icy so if they're flailing around they just suck.
I've only ever resort skiiedthis is probably a stupid question but how do you know there isn't a rock under a soft patch of snow that's gonna totally fuck your shit up
>>2847253you don't it doesyou walk back to the car from there
>>2846560if you're still lurking anon, look into classic telemark stuff... originally the gear was almost indistinguishable from what you're describing. You can find somewhat heavier, more rigid 3-pin bindings, and while it's not heel "locking" per se they will also accept removable cables which tighten your boot down into the ski even more. I don't know where you like to go but it sounds similar to me, I use 3-pin and have regular nordic boots as well as some asolo tele boots I got off ebay for ~$50. The rigidity of the tele boots alone had me going down logging roads I was crashing on before, and adding more of a "tele turn" and some pole planting got me carving which on edgeless xc skis makes me feel like a boss (I can do some regular alpine already)I can't actually rec picrel book since I just ordered it but maybe check it out.
>>2845067This looks like the Wapta icefield. Have you done the traverse? Every report I've read people use the huts but you seem to be using a tent. Do you need some kind of permit to do this? I want to do the traverse but would rather use a tent than huts.
