I think I wouldn't go for a mountain with death rate above 1/500
>>284517599/100 as long as I'm the one
>>2845175Why would I care about the death rate? It'd be so stupid to judge the safety of something based purely on death rate because so many die to avoidable stupid mistakes and skew the numbers. Not to mention the popularity of a mountain will also skew it. If a mountain is only ever climbed by professionals and psychos then it may have a low death rate but be very dangerous. A mountain accessible by plebs may be easy but have a high death rate due to said unprepared plebs.Just don't make stupid mistakes like the people who die do. Be your own judge of risk, if you don't want to risk crossing the headcrush rockfall on suicide mountain then don't do it. If you can do that then any remaining death is up to chance. I can't control chance so why worry.
>>2845313>Be your own judge of risk,That's a bit of a catch because while you can think rationally here, when you're up on the mountain, between the thin air and being goaded by every hardship you went through up to that point, making bad decisions becomes quite easy even for the most rational thinker. That's where being a seasoned climber with lots of experience comes in, as it can help override the malfunctioning part of the brain that's trying, and failing, to make a realistic assessment of the risk of continuing on.
>>2845313>If a mountain is only ever climbed by professionals and psychos then it may have a low death rate but be very dangerous. A mountain accessible by plebs may be easy but have a high death rate due to said unprepared plebs.Everest changed was climbed by proffessionals and it had high death rate. Now it's mostly climbed by people with too much money but the death rate is lower.
>>2845317That's because most people go with a guide holding their hand the entire time.
>>2845313>It'd be so stupid to judge the safety of something based purely on death rateEverest is about a 1% death rate.There are many mountains that are 25%+. Everest has become a theme park.1 in 500 is 0.2%For comparison, timber logging as a profession has about a 0.1% death rate and roofers are at about 0.05%
>>2845349I always found it interesting that the sherpas that have climbed Everest hundreds of times are never listed in any records.
>>2845355Do you also find it interesting that they lived next to these mountains for literally all of history and NEVER thought to climb the fucking things until George Mallory came across the fucking world to do it?
>>2845175Lower than that recent Matterhorn solo by le billionaire youtube chalk man. Watching his retarded sketch up and down that convinced me to never set foot on it as a 'lol what are crampons' tard like him could end my life at any moment.
>>2845357Even more interesting is that Kilimanjaro, a reasonably simple climb, was never summited until Europeans arrived. Pre-contact, a few tribes had legends of chiefs who tried to go up to the "home of the gods" but turned back when encountering "cold that burns". None of the legends come close to alleging that one of them actually made it to the top.
>>2845366>>2845357>>2845355Very interesting frens
>>2845357I've heard that before poeple climbed Mont Blanc, they didn't consider mountains attractions. Some mountains were sacred but most of them were simply obstacles.>>2845366Kilimanjaro is only easy if you>know what acclimatization is>have encountered temperatures below freezing before>wear clothesI guess Africans had none of that
>>2845175The places I hike see a death every few years with many thousands of visits per year. I'm up for something riskier though. Katahdin and Washington I think are toughest tier I'd be interested in attempting. I did 12 miles 4k feet elevation gain today so I think those are good goals
>>2845449I’ve done katahdin and Washington both in the past year, both in winter I’d recommend a guide if you have any reservations about your abilities. They are relatively inexpensive compared to bigger mountains, and can give you a great summit shot while making sure things don’t go sideways. That OR live close enough where you can keep an eye on weather and strike on days it doesn’t look terrible They are challenging but doable. Went 2 for 2 on summits with no real formal mountain experience prior
>>2845496Are those mountains as dangerous as Americans think they are? Slavs do comparably sized mountains in underwear.
>>2845516It’s not the size it’s the weather. Summit of Washington can be worse than the top of Everest. Katahdin is pretty remote, also has bad weather, so if anything goes wrong there’s high risk there. Both those mountains are more difficult than many 14ers in Colorado for that reason. If you get a blue bird day (in this case anything with less than 25 mph winds and greater than 10 degrees wind chill) it takes the difficulty down drastically. Fair warning is like with most mountains that weather can turn on a dimeThat all being said, the high kill count of those mountains is in part due to people underestimating them based on size and attracting a lot of recreational hikers. Washington has a parking lot at its base, katahdin is at the beginning / end of the Appalachian trail. You can summit both with pretty minimal to no glacier experience and formal climbing experience, and in a single day. You need the right gear , but it’s a better training ground than testing ground if that makes sense
>>284517540%
>>2845496Damn winter summits thats pretty badass. You have a good point recommending a guide. I'm still a few years away from even planning for it I need a few winter seasons of experience and some practice next hiking season in the Adirondacks. It's not an endeavor I take lightly.
>>2845584If you go guided then you likely need less experience than you think. What’s more key at that point is the gear, which they should provide you a list and do checks to make sure you have what you need so you won’t kill yourself, and fitness level - that is non negotiable and might take a while to build toThe people I’ve done these trips with that do endurance training (distance running, cycling , even rucking) all fare very well. The guys who go to the gym 4x a week to do a bro split lifting routine and whose cardio consists of a beer softball / volleyball league and the occasional 3 mile jog at a 8:45 pace almost always come in cocky and get absolutely destroyed before the halfway point In the year prior to a winter Katahdin summit I was in good enough cardio shape to do a 3 hour marathon, yet doing a day climb of that mountain was still the most physically challenging endeavor of my life.
>>2845175it's always 50/50, either you die or you don't
>>2845357They dont even have birth certificates.>mom, when was i born?>in the summer son....Its quite possible Everest was conquered many times over but the only records were campfire stories.
>>2845516The average elevation of ski resorts in the Alps is around 5,000 feet.Thats the elevation of Denver.Las Vegas is at about 2,000 feet.Mt. Charleston is about a 45 minute drive away and the ski lodge at the base of the slopes is at about 8,000 feet and the peak is about 12,000 feet. People hike to the peak in the office season to photograph butterflies.My point being that just elevation is kind of misleading.
