How many animals (exclude insects for sake of arguments just mammals birds and big conscious animals like that) die from farming grains?I just watched a video of a man get run over by a tractor and he was fine https://m.youtube.com/shorts/lOpklrpjQjI
>>2847804Most of the smarter animals run away since farming equipment is loud, but I did see a snake get turned into a straw bale.
I've never heard the argument leave the mouth of someone who seemed competent. It just feels like a half-assed rebuttal against veganism.
>>2847852Little bit of animal protein won't hurt the cows.
>>2847804The animals that somehow evolved to hide and sit still if spooked so mostly baby deer and hare. It's also more death by getting sliced than rolled over I think.
Oh and of course mice, hamster and birds of prey if they get actively hunted or poisened, pretty sure that's illegal nowadays though. And drones seem to do a decent job watching out for >>2847862 A bigger issue than deaths of some individuals is the loss of weeds/insects and habitat due to intensifying meadow management that leaves certain birds and mammals with less and less areas to breed.
>>2847860Calcium is what cows need so a snake or something small with bones is what the doctor recommended.
>>2847863>Oh and of course mice, hamster and birds of prey if they get actively hunted or poisened, pretty sure that's illegal nowadays though.Birds of prey are protected, rodents are absolutely not. In my state the average number of mice killed per hectare of grain-producing land is 100-200/year, mostly by poison.
>>2847860>>2847873This is in the context of veganism, so yes, more protein will be a problem. They claim that their lifestyle needs to be adopted universally, that it's healthiest, and that it doesn't result in animal death. Veganism is not healthy. "Healthy" vegans rely on highly industrialized and globalized systems in order for them to get healthy nutrition. Meanwhile, omnivores are able to consume a local, low-carbon diet. Finally, there are mammals, birds, and reptiles being crushed by farm implements, but there are a lot more bugs that are getting killed, which runs counter to veganism. These are the same people who rage against red dye and honey. Why aren't they screaming about pesticides and industrial agriculture? It's because veganism is an unattainable delusional ideology. They get upset when an animal is killed, but they are silent when their disruptive ways of living harm animals and the environment in general.
>>2847804If you could see the swaths of the plains of the midwest that are cleared, dug up, and planted, you'd realize how many animals have been displaced and died subsequently.It depresses me everyime I have to drive. Its like a big blanket of nothingness, where there use to be habitable areas for wildlife. I know we need it to feed our exploding population, but Ill be damned if it isn't heart breaking.
>>2848118shit, that is depressing.
>>2848118That's the kicker, we don't. We could feed everyone handily from the land directly around the great lakes alone.Most of the tilled plains are for growing government subsidized corn that just gets thrown away or boiled down into corn syrup that the powers that be constantly find new and exciting ways to poison us with.
>>2848309Man...
>>2848118>>2848309Stop making me hate the modern times anons. I can only take so much.
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>>2848309Fuck. Why are humans so wasteful? We could be restoring prairelands and shiet instead of farming basically ethanol.
>>2848309The conversion efficiency of corn to corn syrup is much better than that of converting corn to meat (especially beef). Corn syrup is unhealthy, but not the calorie shredder that meat and milk production is. Corn production is also extremely land-efficient. Other unnecessary use of land for food purposes is basically anything that is not a staple or a high calorie vegetable.
>>2847804Small European country here. ~26000 square kilometers of agricultutral land altogether, with grain accounting for 41% (~12480 square kilometers).IIRC the figure was around ~2500 yearly. Mostly because does birth their fawns in those grain fields.Friendly isekai john deer runs them over later in the day.
