A or B?
Southwest is bestwest
....B?I mean, unless you like brown-orange deserts, I guess.
>>2848406The anon who takes photos of his anime doll everywhere is more qualified to give an opinion than anyone else on this board so I will defer to him/her/it.
>>2848408I'm not American but I'd like to visit Yellowstone or Grand Canyon
Nobody here loved deciduous trees more than I Do!bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
Which has more national parks? Which has more national forest land? Which has more glaciers? Which has higher peaks? Which has volcanoes? Which one has both tundra and deserts?No hate to B, I think every biome is beautiful, but in my book it's not even close.
>>2848406A, just because of the PNW rain forests, which are 1 of I think 4 of its type in the entire world.
>>2848406Most of the US and doesn't have deserts. Kinda obvious. B.
>>2848421Oblivious argument.By this logic, the Driftless Area in Wisconsin, which is the only of its kind in the entire world, outranks your temperate rainforest.Microclimates of miniature deserts and porous hills filled with permanent ice that are 20 degrees colder than the surrounding area and filled with living fossil species from hundreds of millions of years ago. There is NOTHING in A but the Pacific Northwest, Yosemite, and the Sequoia National Forest.You could spend your lifetime going from biome to biome in B and never see them all. Any tards choosing A are doing so purely from ignorance.
>>2848423>There is NOTHING in A but the Pacific Northwest, Yosemite, and the Sequoia National Forest.Are you really this retarded?You forgot the Redwoods, Mohave desert, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Glacier....the biggest designated wilderness areas in the lower 48, the largest intact ecosystem in the lower 48, abundant wildlife found now where else in the lower 48, all the canyon lands in Utah, the CA/OR/WA coasts etc....but sure the driftless are has nice bluffs lol
>>2848429>We've got desert, desert, desert, and desert, you stupid chud
>>2848406>Texas, Florida, New York, the entire east coast, Appalachia, the best real estate in the Caribbean Vs>California that's literally it ????
>>2848431Yeah, if you ignore anything other than California for some reason, you're only left with California
The retard eastoid who can only say muh deserts is here to ruin the thread. A clears B and it's not really close.
>>2848436You don't even have water features.
>>2848438What do you call it when I piss on your face? I thought that was a water feature.
>>2848439How can you pee, Mr. Anderson...when you have no water to drink?
>posting a 11 year old graphic>of c*lifornia Anyone who replies to this retard is just getting trolled by a mongoloid.
>>2848441>Tries to pretend California isn't constantly in a state of begging for water alms just because I posted the 2014 editionPathetic.
>>2848406Alaska is in A so the answer is A. Everything else is irrelevant.
>>2848406A has more biome diversity.
>>2848442California doesn't beg for water. They just openly steal it from other states. Weren't they working on a supposed pipeline to carry water from the Great Lakes to California?
>>2848449>Weren't theyno.
>>2848430>cant read>derps out sperg
>>2848438>Tens of Thousands of rivers, lakes and waterfalls in the WestWhy are you so gay?
>>2848453>Uhm ackshyually there are some water molecules in our half-continent sized desert.
>>2848451Yes. >>2848453>posts some contaminated slop mud That's an L.
>>2848456>Yes.no>boiling water is mud>some of the most fascinating geologic features on the planet>That's an L.and thats Tard tier cope lol. sperg out with nonsense all you want but that will not change the fact that the west mogs the east and You are still retarded lmao
>>2848459>doubling down L.
>>2848454>continent sized desert.you are correct. the entire Western half of the US is a desert. you would hate it. never come.
>>2848460>gets BTFO>cant rebut>doubles down on copeyou are really bad at this lol
>>2848461Obviously I do hate it. Alaska excepted. But too late, I've already come and I left a 1 star review.
>>2848464>I do hate it.Hate is the sign of a weak intellect and moral depravity. You seem quite ignorant.
>>2848462That's still an L.
>>2848465Hate is a healthy and necessary evolutionary adapted gifted to based mammals to store short term anger as long term emotionless eradication protocols of things that we now hate. Only a mental infant would talk shit about one of our most glorious and advanced emotional adaptations. Perhaps you should share your incorrect opinions on ribbit dot com?
>>2848467adaptation*
>>2848467>defending his own retardation>new levels of copelol
>>2848466nope. its not. but you wouldnt understand. you are not smart enough. its over your head.
>>2848470>When a shark hits you with an opinion so fish brained that you just gotta hit them with the mammalian stare
>>2848472How do you respond to this without sounding mad?
>>2848473Why are you mad? is that from getting BTFO or is it from the overall level of ignorance and retardation eating away at you?
>>2848472He won't responda that
>>2848477its best not to feed the retards
>>2848423Well the OP just says "A or B" it doesn't come with a list of qualifiers or whatever, so I would assume it comes down to personal preference. For me, A fits my personal preference. I live in B. It sucks.
>>2848476he wont respond to that
It's way easier to get away from everything in the eastern forests. All you have to do is go, like, 1/10 of a mile into the woods and you'll be in complete solitude. In the wide open west, you can be seen for miles even if you're nowhere near a hiking trail or road. It makes backcountry navigation 100x easier but sucks for privacy.
>>2848406nonsensical arbitrary choice that only serves to distract from the fact that the U.S is an amazing /out/ country in its entirety. This is a non-argument that only serves to entertain retards who don't actually enjoy the outdoors.
>>2848497What a limpwristed answer. It's obviously A.
>>2848431Honestly california on its own vs the rest of the usa is debatable. It has everything.
>>2848495>there are no forests out westDo you really believe that or have you just never been out west?Its easier to get away from everything out west cuz there are fewer people per mile and more space.
>>2848440updated
>>2848498I applaud your emphatic dedication to a culture war that does not exist.
>>2848515I have the same photo but mine isn't as nice. I recall it was really hard to get the whole bridge in the shot but this was years ago maybe before I had an ultra-wide option on my phone. And the pano mode just distorted it - but again I couldn't do panoramas on optical zoom. I really need to get back to New River Gorge. There's also a middling overlook nearby at Twin Falls State Park (the falls are the main - and worthy attraction) I wanna do and I have yet to get to the bottom of Brush Creek Falls and I wanna revisit the falls of Holly River State Park. Have you been to Beauty Mountain? I thought it was just as nice as Diamond Point, and a shorter walk to boot. Can we talk about nice places to hike in the East? Might as well use the thread for some good...
>>2848515tall bridges are nice
>>2848534blurry
A all day, baby. Deserts, beaches, woods, mountains, tropical forests (OP's map includes Hawaii, too).I might be a little bias, because I love the desert, but even so, it's no contest.
We got ponderosa, we got scraggly half dead junipers, and one time I even saw a mesquite!
>>2848511>>2848512How do you even compete with these? The east coast just doesn't have it, IMO.
>>2848566>How do you compete with rocks and sand?>Meanwhile, an average suburb in BThere is more beauty in a single county of B than in all of A combined.
>>2848568There is plenty of that on the west coast.
>>2848571This whole thread is Zendaya vs Random Checkout Girl
>>2848406A, not even close. High Sierra, the whole Cascade Range (Northern Cascades + lone volcanoes), Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Zion, Joshua Tree, Natural Bridges, Crater Lake, Arches, Yellowstone, Tetton, Glacier. No to mention Denali and Mauna Kea etc.Appalachians are boring.t. eurofag
>>2848568>look, we have a tree>meanwhile in CaliforniaThis is the problem. East is a nice place for a weekend trip but west is truly impressive. It's like comparing my local bogs and hills to Annapurna circuit. They're both enjoyable but one is clearly more impressive.
>>2848568The east coast is nice for certain things but it just doesnt have what it takes for /out/.
>>2848645>>2848643I think of this dude I watch on youtube, Tucker Gott, who flies around on his paramotor. The retard left new jersey and went to arizona or something and now all his videos are just brown desert. New Jersey gets shit on but it was a lush green paradise with infinite variety and much more aesthetic and had four seasons. You westsuckers point to anamalous areas like the sequoias or yellowstone but you don't live anywhere near them. That's a vacation, it's not where you actually are. Whereas every county east of the rockies has interesting and beautiful things and actually has foliage.
Both. Duh
>>2848653Tbh I'm just not reading all that.
>>2848653shh don't tell them we're already literally full af
>>2848653>Whereas every county east of the rockies has interesting and beautiful things and actually has foliage.this is /out/ ya dingus
>>2848406Deep down I know the answer is A. But I love ND, SD, MN, and the UP. A included these four areas I would go for A any day of the week. I always drew the split west of the Mississippi. Anything east of the Mississippi is just trash. Not enough public land. I do love the everglades and swamps of louisana but the human pop density is insane. Not enough land to enjoy.
>>2848672Yes and B has trees and water and seasons, whereas A does not.
>>2848653>New Jersey>infinite varietylol>don't live anywhere near themI live 45 minutes from Yellowstone....and in between here and there, my county has parts of 2 national forests encompassing millions of acres of public land and multiple designated wilderness areas... I live 5 minutes from a NF trailhead and 20 minutes from a recreation area with dozens of trails, creeks, lakes, waterfalls etc...but im sure New Jersey is nice.
>>2848685You're a lying cunt.
>>2848685Not that anon but I lived in Golden, Colorado for years and absolutely love the Rockies. But he's right. Any random spot in the East is far prettier than 90% of the West. Although I'd say the division is at the Mississippi River. I'm in Jersey right now. And yes I've been to Washington, Oregon and California.
>>2848674>But I love ND, SD, MN, and the UP.>all places that are sparsely populated, in the whitest part of the countryHuh.
>>2848689>coping this hardlol. Im sorry if getting BTFO enrages you but its true lol. >>2848690>Not that anon but I lived in Goldenoh your THAT anon who bitched because he was afraid to drive his car up a forest service road lol. I dont respect your opinion. >>2848690>But he's rightNo. He's not.
>>2848694The odds of someone in this podink thread living within 45 minutes of yellowstone is less than 1%.The odds of an anon lying on the internet to try to win an argument and defend m'lady west's honor is nearly 100%You're a lying faggot. There is no question about it.>>Industrial Shithole New Jersey will mog the entire West forever.<<Pic related.
>>2848696>You're a lying faggot. There is no question about it.>enraged seething cope continuessorry billy....you still wrong lol.
>>2848694>oh your THAT anon who bitched because he was afraid to drive his car up a forest service road lol. I dont respect your opinion. I'm not. It shouldn't be a surprise to you that there is more than one person on an outdoors board from the front range
>>2848696Kek. Now this is some grade A cope.>west coast anons can't live anywhere near national parks because I say soI live 45 minutes from a different national park btw.
>>2848715Butte is 2.5 hours away from Yellowstone.Idaho Falls is 1.75 hours away from Yellowstone.Those are not large towns by any means and they're the largest towns anywhere close to Yellowstone which is Bumfuck, Nowhere.0.00000000000% odds anon was not lying.You're probably lying too, and your silence is deafening on how superior a random spot I clicked on google maps for New Jersey was to anything in your entire state.I am claiming total victory for B. Total A-fag Death has been achieved.
>>2848718A shitty swamp is something seen from the side of the highway in my state, nobody would even bat an eye at anything that looked like that. Also you assuming that everyone in the West has to live in a city just confirms you have cityoid brain rot and actually do not go outside.This board should have IDs to show that you've posted over 50 times in this thread seething about the West, hardly you can claim victory over something that lives so rent free in your head.
>>2848694Damn that is pretty. Yuros could never
>>2848718>they're the largest towns anywhere close to YellowstoneBillings is larger than Butte and closer>no one lives in Bozeman or Livingston or Cody or Rigby or Rexburg- everyone has to be a city dweller because I amand there you have it. A fine example of ignorant eastoid cope LOLI get to go to Yellowstone several times year, especially in the shoulder and off seasons. sucks to be you I guess lol
>>2848718>ButteBozeman is bigger than Butte you stupid cunt
Most people don't get it at all.>The West 90% shitty badlands 10% incredible beauty that blows anything in the East tf out>The EastGenerally very nice, pretty and lush everywhere It's that simple.If you disagree you're just denying obvious reality.
>>2848727lol. How do you respond to this without sounding mad?
>>2848733>90% shitty badlandsthats an exxageration and over simplification. the Rockies alone take up more then 10% of "the west" unless you consider them "badlands" lol. What the West lacks in deciduos trees it makes up for in a variety of landscapes, biomes, fauna etc...Besides whats so shitty about badlands? lol
>>2848738Anon.. it's in the name..
>>2848740>cant answer>derps out copelol. good one anon. you should get out more
>>2848738>What the West lacks in deciduous treesat least we've reached the point where you can outright acknowledge it
>>2848743lol yes. there are more leaves in the east. you win the category for most leaves. the West wins every other category by far lol
>>2848696I dropped the google earth guy in 4 random places in the west (left) and 4 random places in the east (right). For me the east won by a nose thanks to the old farm.
>>2848745I wish I could give you a tour of the best deciduous gorges in the East. I could change your mind. There's canyons for days here.
Someone make an autistic thread with a strawpoll of the top out states and we'll average the answer to settle this once and for all.
>>2848747im happy for you anon
>>2848742your an intentional retard okay
>>2848406A bc more states have legal weed so we can get stoned and go camping
>>2848749We already know CA is the best /out/ state. It's not the best /k/ state or the best /pol/state but those are different things.
>>2848753maine easily btfo's CA, have you seen mt katahdin. all your brand new barely been on earth for hundreds of millions of years mountains out west can literally kick rocks.
>>2848752So its funny I was driving to Pennsylvania to hike - and along the way I saw multiple billboards telling you not to drive while highand then I go hiking in Tennessee - and its all ads for weed - and not even the legal kind? I dunno what the legal situation is in TN but they were advertising Delta-9 which is the federally illegal chemical (Delta-8 and others are state by state) and advertising drinks with cannabis in them "so good its almost illegal" So maybe the legal situation is much harsher in Georgia and Alabama cuz this is a part of TN that borders those and maybe weed stores don't exist there but are somehow allowed in TN. I bring my own from home, never ventured into a dispensary out of state but I guess I should.
>>2848755>maine easily btfo's CAno
>>2848511petrified forest in this is so fucking funnyi got no dog in this fight but lmao
>>2848755>have you seen mt katahdinhave you seen fucking Yosemite
>>2848554>biodiversity highest in areas most impacted by human settlement in much of the southeast and northeast
>>2848749We've done this before, 7 times in fact, we've become increasingly efficent at it, the only >8 rated states are in the West.
>>2848768Petrified Forest is one of my favorite national parks but you have to be a real /out/ist to appreciate it. They didn't even use the most beautiful parts of the park for that picture either.
>>2848786are you him? the arizona autist of legend?
>>2848794No? I think the Grand Canyon is kind of a crock so that probably automatically excludes me from being an Arizona autist. It is a cool state though. I've only ever spent the majority of my trips in Phoenix, but driving from Phoenix to Petrified Forest and from Phoenix to Saguaro was pretty awesome. I liked it so much I did it again when I got stuck in Phoenix on a layover earlier this year.
>>2848755bait.
>>2848723>Yuros could neverWhat are you Implying?
>>2848723there are many unique locations were have nothing alike in europe, but this not it. don't get me wrong, I love all landscapes, but central rockies and appalachians aren't that impressive for me really, we indeed do have shit like that at home. but stuff like high sierra, mt. hood/rainier/shasta/etc., arches or grand canyon are something out of this world for me.
>>2848759>>2848769>>2848796cope.yes i've seen yosemite I understand 100 million year old formations are interesting to you but i'm only interested in geological formations that are closer to 300-400 million years old.
>>2848863>yes i've seen yosemiteOkay and? Am I supposed to be impressed?
>>2848863>muh agetypical appalacope.
>>2848863Everything in Australia must be beautiful to you then, there are rocks over a billion years old there.
>>2848554Marge, I thought tree diversity matters? Why are so many of the tourist draws like Acadia, The Whites, Adirondacks, Catskills, Everglades, etc in the lowest areas of diversity?
>>2848867Yes the Uluru is one of the most interesting rock formations on earth and is the most interesting thing in all of Australia to me.
>>2848863There are rocks in the northern rockies that are 3-3.5 billion yrs old
>>2848864he won't responda that
>>2848755
>>2848406B, this isn't even a contest. B has TX BBQ, Louisiana Creole or Cajun or whatever, specifically Black people BBQ in Missippi and Georgia and shit, specifically White people BBQ in the Carolinas and Virginias. You also have much of the Midwest and the entirety of New England with their stupid accents and nice seafood.
>>2848894Yes there are older rocks in yosemite region as well, i'm talking about the age of the formation.
>>2848804>visible habitationactually disgusting
>>2848568>posts housesHere on the west coast we actually like to go outside of the suburbs
>>2848878It's called Ayer's Rock you liberal sissy boy
>>2848936uluru sounds cooler. simple as.
>>2848937>ooga booga uluru dont walk on my sacred rock white dog
I live in Central California. Been to the south many times, specifically Florida. Driven coast to coast and back. Florida could have been beautiful maybe 70 years ago before it was all developed. My mother in law has a ranch out there and it's a little slice of paradise with some big beautiful oak trees, green grass and a little swamp but outside of it they are developing new towns everywhere and it just feels like it's becoming an endless sprawl similar to Southern California. Seems very hard to find beaches that are undeveloped and wild with natural dunes. Tennessee and Kentucky are beautiful but nothing that blew me away. Just nice places. They seem like they would be cozy. I think if I lived there I would get bored quickly though. I don't have much to say about anywhere else in the south that I've seen, just a lot of flat swamp and those tall, straight pine trees that look like they are well adapted to that kind of climate.I clearly prefer the West coast. And don't get me wrong, it's not all great. I try to avoid going south of Ventura County. There are some crazy spots like Joshua Tree NP (if you don't mind crowds) but it's mostly urban sprawl or totally inhospitable desert. I love the desert but the desert in that region is too desolate for my tastes.Never been to the North-East. The areas that are not developed, like northern NY, New Hampshire or Maine look spectacular. Would love to see that part of the country one day.
>>2848938alright lets set aside our differences on the name everyone knows the chinks are why you can't walk on it anymore.
>>2848950For me I truly find once people see a real violent ocean like the atlantic off Maine they just forget about the west coast
>>2848953I'm sure it's incredible but I think if we're going to compare the violence of the ocean then Northern California might come out on top. I've personally seen 25ft waves north of San Francisco.
>>2848863The canyons of the colorado have rocks 300-400 million years old
>>2848922sir, this is an /out/ board, not /ck/
>>2848922>>2848963There is a point though, the /out/ quality has to include the post-trip food options and only in the south can you get an all you can eat country buffet for less than 15 bucks. Its more than that just for a burger in california
>>2848953>a real violent ocean like the atlanticim confused. You dont think the Pacific (the largest ocean on the planet) gets violent? One of the biggest waves ever ridden was 100+ft at Mavericks last yr just south of SF. How can you make comments about something you've never actually seen?
>>2849048>I'm confused This is the passive aggressive phrase redditers always use at the start or their postsAnd no I didn't read the rest of what you said or the post you were responding to
>>2848863>i'm only interested in geological formations that are closer to 300-400 million years old.this formation is 360-410 million yrs old with lots of devonian fossils to be found on it.
>>2848955>>2849048record for rogue waves is the atlantic, try again pacific pussies.
>>2849056That is clean af i'll have to add it to my list of things in A of desire. also based OC as well, from my brief research I assume your in Colorado in the San Juan's, I'll have to check it out if I ever get up to visit my buddy.
>peak bagger rocky mountain faggots when you tell them to try enjoying the majestic bio diversity of the ancient Appalachian mountains
>>2849099>fresh milk enjoying faggots when you tell then to try enjoying the delicious bacteria diversity of the ancient 4 months old milk
>>2848406The mountain tops in B are accessible by wheeled vehicles, making mountain climbing accessible to all ability types, very modern and progressive.
>>2849095>I assume your in Colorado in the San Juan'snope. thats beartooth butte in MT.
>>2849093>acktushullyThe those aren't "rogue" waves you retard. They are known breaks with consistent big waves. And yes, Nazere in Portugal is probably the biggest break....but the claim was that the Pacific ocean was not "violent" which is a nonsensical claim based on spite and retardation.
>>2848408Yeah looks very brown to me
>>2849093That's... not a good thing, anon.
>>2848408see>>2848750what about green deserts?
>>2849228>>2849231the whole point is that its more dangerousThe Atlantic ocean 323 documented international shipwrecksThe Pacific Ocean 158The Atlantic is the more violent dangerous ocean and anything you write is cope.
>>2848755>KarahdinMogged by Mt. Shasta alone and that's just one Cascade peak.
>>2849240>the whole point is that its more dangerous>The Atlantic is the more violent dangerous oceanAgain, that's not a good thing.
>>2849244I literally started this point by saying the atlantic is a more violent ocean and people argued with me saying the pacific is more violent and now your telling me thats not a good thing. it doesn't matter if its good for your usecase its what the argument is about you fucking retard.
Oceans are boring. Would you guys please shut the fuck up?
>>2849245>I literally started this point by saying the atlantic is a more violent oceanAnd?
>>2849247IMO they're /out/ for people that don't actually want to go /out/
>>2849240>The Pacific Ocean 158Pacific ocean has over 3000 documented shipwrecksyou retardeven AI says you a fucking retard: Neither ocean is consistently more violent; both the Atlantic and the Pacific have rough sections that vary by location and season. The Atlantic is often considered more dangerous due to its high-traffic northern routes and frequent, powerful storms like those in the North Atlantic. However, the Pacific has the "Roaring Forties," "Furious Fifties," and "Roaring Sixties"—extremely rough, wind-swept latitudes in the Southern Hemisphere—which can produce some of the world's most brutal seas.
>>2849263Holy shit fuck off
>>2849266>is wrong>seetheslol
>>2849268No not him. Oceans are boring.
>>2849269How would you know?
>>2849227now thats purdy!
>>2849272He won't respond
>>2849263Am him, I don't count anything involving combat.
>>2849227>in MT.gonna aktchully myself as its in WY. the road dips into wy for 10-15 miles
>>2849303>anything involving combat.US Navy lost multiple ships to weather/rough seas in the Pacific during ww2even still...this has nothing to do with combathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_of_the_Pacific
>>2849315he's scrambling for a response, give him a few hours
>>2849315They were navigating for the express purpose of combat and not attempting to safely travel the oceans.
>>2849315
>>2849318>they werent trying to not sink...and that makes the seas less violent? piss poor reasoning there billy>>2849319cool. now adjust for number of ships that traveled during that same time frame. What percentage of ships were lost to rough seas? for each ocean? Which ocean has had more traffic over that same time frame? Your trying to quantify some vague notion of "violent" seas. Its retarded. Its even more retarded to suggest the Pacific isnt as violent. Go spend a winter in the Gulf of Alaska.
>>2849321You've brought nothing to the table except cope. The atlantic has rogue waves almost twice as big and my initial shipwreck number was using a fixed era but you ignored it with a historical number.
>>2849322My brother in Christ I hope you have a better response than that. That one was a total misstep.
>>2849250Depends where you are. If you live in a city that's true, if you live in a rural area by the coast that's not true.
>>2849322>derping this hardlol
>>2848406B, obviously. Even assuming I had the ability to fast travel for free between the Pacific region, Alaska, Hawaii, and the islands I'd rather have the Midwest and Florida than that.
Telling that the line has to be put that far west to even make it debatable. If it was at the actual middle or the traditional mississippi the east would stand no chance
>>2849111>glass of milk vs a delicious aged cheeseGreat comparison actually, thanks
>>2848653trvke
>>2848406If I made a tier list of every single state, every single B state would be above an A state except Vermont, which would be only better than Arizona and Oregon.
>>2848922Food is better on the West Coast Best Coast THOUGHPicrel was taken on Christmas, by the way
>>2849392California has better everything than every other state except for pizza and barbecue
>>2849344Rather juat have California than all that
>>2849415California, Washington, Utah, and Colorado are S tier /out/ states for me
>>2848408The Midwest and Southeast are dumpster states for outdoorsy shit compared to the rest, so it's really the Northeast vs. the PNW, the West, and Southwest, which is no contest.
>>2849423t. has never hiked in the southeastalso, been meaning to check out the midwest maybe next summer when its too hot in the southeast honestly, by late may its too hot to enjoy the southeast, its very pretty, but it gets too hot to enjoy hiking
>>2848406>>2849392 (Me)Sorry, typo.>>2849422Agree.If I made a tier list of every single state for /out/, A clears.SUtah, California, Washington, ColoradoAMontana, Wyoming, AlaskaBVermont, Idaho, NevadaCArizona, New Mexico, OregonDMaine, New Hampshire, New YorkFThe Rest
>>2849424I'm talking like higher altitude Southeast, like Lake Tahoe and the Sangre de Cristo Mountains.The Midwest gets really hot too, and it's really flat. I'm from here, and it's pretty, but there's not much hiking, skiing, or mountainbiking. If you like beachgoing, the Great Lakes are actually amazing for that, but that's about it.
>>2849428Oh my God yes. Southwestern Michigan beaches are such a hidden gem in the US.
>>2849428I don't really care that much about lakes or beaches and they don't really show up well in photographsI mostly like gorges and I bet the midwest has SOMETHING, I am fine with "mini-gorges"
>>2849430The Midwest has no topography whatsoever. Completely flat. Pictured here is one of our bigger "valleys" outside of Dubuque, Iowa.
>>2849431I bet there's some little gorges in Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Michigan. I mean, they have them in Ohio.
>>2849430>The Great Lakes don't photograph welllmao
>>2849432I am telling you that that is what the big "valleys" in every Midwest state looks like. You can Google like Minnehaha Falls (Minnesota, pictures) or Devil's Lake (Wisconsin). Those are the most popular hiking spots around here if you're dead set on it
>>2849422California and Utah for sure. colorado was pretty meh and no one knows how to drive over there. Never been to the pnw, but it's probably too rainy. They also don't know how to fuckin drive
>>2848408>nooo California's a desert!!!
>>2849432>>2849434The driftless area is known as "bluff country" not really gorges per se but nice river bottoms in a sea of farmland. this is MN
>>2849432>>2849434Further north the St. Croix river is very scenic
>>2849432>>2849434..and even further north you get more traditional gorges like Vermilion gorge in the north woods of MN
>>2849433It's telling that you couldn't post your own photo.
>>2849469Where the Driftless intersects the Mississippi River is the most impressive part of the Midwest, from Dubuque to La Crosse. The Driftless is defined by sharp river gorges where rivers have been carving the landscape uninterrupted by the last glaciation eventsNot sure you can call it a gorge but the view of the river and being able to see cliffs in Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota all at once from atop Grandad Bluff in La Crosse is a Top Five view in the Midwest
>>2849501>Grandad Bluff in La Crosse is a Top Five view in the Midwestok ill add that to my listcan I get the rest of the top five please?
>>2849427>Maine, New Hampshire, New YorkJust say you've never been man. there is no way you've been in MAINE and put it as a D lmao
>>2849502HmmI can give you a Top Five water views in the Driftless Area but I haven't seen enough of the Midwest to fill out a Midwest Top Five>Grandad Bluff in La Crosse, Wisconsin>The Wisconsin Dells, as seen from an amphibious Duck vehicle>The Wisconsin River in Spring Green, Wisconsin>The waterfalls in Decorah, Iowa>Sabula, Iowa, the only town located on an island in the Mississippi
>>2849503New York has nothing to offer and the entire states is just a polluted urban shithole. Don't come. Stay in Texas, California and Fl*rida.
>>2848431Oregon and Washington arem much better than california
>>2849512Why is Zoar Valley so fucked? >cannot legally see any of the actual overlooks just go down to the river>build a trail at the most scenic part, don't clear any trees at any point so there's any view - no view at all - build a fence around the whole trail that you would need to hop to get to the actual view>instead of putting up railings or improving the surface or adding caution signs they just ban the main overlookI drove three hours each way to see it and I just hopped the fence so I wouldn't come away with no pictures at allsame deal at Treman State Park - to get to the bottom of the main waterfall - you have to rock hop and it's illegalwhat an evil nanny stateand the 30 mph village speed limits are absurd too the speed limit changes every few thousand feet
>>2849515Yes I said don't come
>>2848653I lived in the Willamette Valley 25 years so speak for yourself our nature was amazing. Ironically I moved to new jersey and I enjoy plenty of its nature but it's very hard to act like it lives up to the PNW. I try to convince myself constantly that east coast nature is just as good but it's hard
>>2849516I ran out of time for Watkins Glen and I want to come back in the summer and do the shuttle so I only have to do the steps downhill. I also want to go back to Tug Hill, that was an interesting area. I tried hiking in Tug Hill Canyon and got filtered by the late summer bugs - never been in a buggier place in my life. I want to go back and see Whetstone Gulf though - I guess you have to go in winter to get any real views into the gorge though. NY is not so great about maintaining their overlooks. New York isn't my favorite hiking place - and the popular stuff is thoroughly overrun by jeets - but it is colder in the summer.
>>2849515sounds like you should post hand.
>>2849230nice dog
>>2849415who is this semon demon?
>>2849503>>2849427 (Me)I just went to Portland, Bar Harbor, and Acadia this year. Are we really going to put Acadia on the same level as like Mt. Hood or Crater Lake, which sit in the tier above? Absolute insanity.
>>2849414Food is definitely not better on the west coast. For starters you can't even get good pizza on the west coast. The /out/ing is better though and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.
>>2849600You didn't even see the appalachian mountain range that exists in maine why are you comparing the non mountainous features of maine to mountainous features. I also am just a huge fan of rugged coastal of which you can only find in the US in Maine otherwise you must enter Canada.
>>2849616Brugly, you don't have mountains. Full stop.
>>2849617Your mountains are literally 0 year old babies with no definition, come over here and see a mountain with age and experience.
>>2849427vermont is way too high, you’re trippin
>>2849619My house is at a higher elevation than the hills you idolize so much. That's pretty embarrassing.
>>2849616>rugged coastal of which you can only find in the US in MaineYou sure about that?
>>2849616>rugged coastal of which you can only find in the US in MaineAre you sure about that?
>>2849629>>2849628>>2849627Pacific is a cope ocean we were over that further up in the thread
>>2849616gaddamn you atarded TF
>>2849630>exposes his own ignorance>biggest ocean in the world is copelol. sure thing johhny. The first picture is minnesota you absolute retard.
>>2849624Stowe, Jay Peak, and Smuggler's Notch beg to differ
>>2849435>Never been to the pnw, but it's probably too rainy.Only on the west side of the Cascades. Once you get 100-150mi from the coast it's much drier, more like inland CA or the High Plains states depending on where you go. Pic is just outside Bend, right on the border of literal high desert and the dry pine forests on the backside of the Cascades.
>>2849653 #All east coast ski resorts are mogged by any C tier local resort in the Rockies.
>>2848406A for sure. I like a lot of things about the East Coast but you just can't beat the vast amount of public land or the serious alpine terrain available in the West. >>2848653>You westsuckers point to anamalous areas like the sequoias or yellowstone but you don't live anywhere near them. That's a vacation, it's not where you actually are. Whereas every county east of the rockies has interesting and beautiful things and actually has foliage.As the other anon says, speak for yourself. I'm literally walking distance from a national forest, less than an hour or so drive from pristine mountain lakes and forests, true above the treeline alpine terrain with glaciers and everything, volcanic hellscapes, multiple varieties of desert, and more, and day trip distance from Crater Lake, much lusher forests, some of the most fertile farmland in the country, picturesque coast, and more. There's so much variety packed into Central Oregon alone that I kept being reminded of a vidya map when I first moved here because it felt unrealistic for such diversity to exist in such a small area. On top of that, a ton of the land in question is BLM or state forest land where you can basically do whatever you want too - shoot guns, camp wherever, ride bikes or 4x4s all over, hunt and fish, and so on, along with all the normal /out/ shit.
>>2849664Lmao, Heavenly, Vail, and Keystone get BTFO'd by like Smuggler's Notch, Stowe, and Sugarloaf if you actually like steeps and difficult skiing.
>>2849676Front 4 & Birthday Bowl @ Stowe >> Mott & Killebrew @ Heavenly
>>2849676Lol no chance eastoid.
>>2849676Heavenly isn't in the Rockies you dork
>>2849628>>2849629Northern coastal California is the most beautiful place on earth
>>2849694I've been there. you haven't been where I'm from.
>>2849414>Food is better on the West CoastBut that's all A really has and you're clearly mostly talking about California but the Gulf Coast with its Latinxs and Asians has a lot of the same stuff. Not to say that y'all are slouches but I do disagree with your opinion.
>>2849695>I've been thereYou haven't. Driving the 1 doesn't count.
>>2849695That looks beautiful too, where is it?
>>2849696>LatinxsYou. Back. Now.
>>2848406neither, this country is a shithole either side
>>2849704Cape Breton Highlands
>>2849690Tell me you're bad at skiing/boarding without directly telling me you can't ski/board. I'm a westoid if you must know.>>2849693Some of the most technical skiing in the country is in the Cascades and Sierras (ex. Crystal & Kirkwood), so having a conversation about steeps without mentioning the West Coast is stupid.
>>2849676Fuck Vail.
>>2849742Terrain size, vertical and steepness is pathetic in the east. Woahh one 40 degree pitch that goes for 300 feet holy shit! I grew up in the east and rode all the shitty mountains there.
>>2849743Why
>>2849793They kill local resort identity for corporate slop, fire locals to replace with J1s, they force you into buying a pass because a lift ticket for $300, they don't care about overcrowding and ruining their product, just hitting their quarterly sales projections.The mega passes ruin every resort they buy.
>>2849791I'll take 500 good acres over 5,000 bad ones. Just look at Park City as an example of 7,300 acres of the most bland, uninteresting skiing terrain in the west.>B-b-but what about 9,990 and Jupiter?They're never open because of Vail and even when they are they're not that interesting.
>>2849797 (cont.)>>2849791The east has some unreal slackcountry lines. If you look at like net trail steepness, Vail is beat by Smugg's, Whiteface, and Jay despite their much smaller footprints.
>>2849797>park cityNobody who can actually ski goes there, it's a normalnigger containment zone. The only worthwhile Vail owned product in Colorado is CB. And I know you didn't bring up east coast sidecountry to compare with west coast sidecountry.
>>2849801If you open it up to Epic partnered resorts, they do have Telluride too.As for side country, some resorts (like the aforementioned Telluride) have some unreal sidecountry, but I still maintain that good east coast resort >> bad west resort.
>>2849430> But what about Instagram Yeah, you're from California
>>2849505Don't give them ideas Anon
>>2849696It depends on what kind of food you like. Yeah you can get weird Mexican and Asian stuff out the wazoo but there isn't anywhere to get a boneless rib sandwich or mashed potatoes.
>>2848499Florida and Hawaii are better beach states.
>>2850198I want places to go in the heat of mid-summer!
>>2850228K E K, Michigan and Wisconsin are not places you want to be in mid summer.
>>2848727what happened here?
>>2850283even the northerny parts? what do I do? crossing into canada is fraught with peril and risk of arrest
>>2850558Its no better in canada, just the further north you go the smaller the window of bug hell is. As is the window of non frozen hell.
>>2850564hmm am I really stuck competing at the few eastern high elevation spots to avoid the worst of the heat? I mean, NY state has been a bit cooler than elsewhere in summer - I've had coolish but humid days but I fear the tourist traps of New England, and I don't do the western mountains.
>>2850566go the north shore of lake superior. its rarely hot and even when it is the water is still 50°f lol
>>2850569lakes don't photograph well, i prefer gorges and waterfalls and rolling hills
>>2850591>lakes don't photograph well,lol. seems like terrible cope>i prefer gorges and waterfalls and rolling hillsThe North Shore of MN is one of the most scenic places in the country with dozens of water falls and gorges as rivers drop off the highlands to the biggest freshwater lake in the world. https://northshoreexplorermn.com/guide-to-north-shore-rivers-waterfalls/
>>2850651>and gorgeslets see theminb4 actually there's no way to get a good view of them without a drone
>>2849804>the best east coast resort is slightly better than the worst west resortsand your point is...?
>>2849616>>2849627>>2849628>>2849629>>2849695You are forgetting the most rugged coast included in A.
