I fucking hate them to my core. They often buy up land, then totally ban access to the public, even in places where public access was previously legal, with zero explanation about why, while bragging and showing off videos of the beautiful overlooks they would love to arrest you for trespassing to get to on their website. If they DO allow access, there's never any signage, adequate parking, let alone improved trails. They truly do not give a fuck and I imagine them as hateful boomers who pat themselves on the back "oh the land is protected now!" as they ban access. It might as well be private land. It has all been logged already.
>>2851127Based retard.The Nature Conservancy leased a huge stretch of private land near me and opened it to the public for walking and fishing. They're the only reason the land is even accessible to the public now and they shake down the landowners to ensure everyone has 24/7 unrestricted access. My volunteer org works with them a little bit and they're great to deal with.
>>2851131there's many more examples where their control only leads to access restrictions
>>2851132Name 7
just go on their website and for tennessee alone you can see the following listed as "closed":https://www.nature.org/en-us/about-us/where-we-work/united-states/tennessee/tennessee-places-we-protect/6 on that list aloneplus https://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/upper-shavers-fork-preserve/you need to get permission to hikehttps://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/ice-mountain-preserve/you need a tour to hikehttps://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/greenland-gap-preserve/technically no access restrictions but they don't maintain it at all, no signage, no bridge over the water crossing, they used to have a trail in the 1950s up until 2011ish that they abandoned https://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/bottom-creek-gorge/you can't really get the best view of the waterfall without violating the rules
>>2851127I live in the Great Plains and this is one of the few organizations that gives a shit about restoring the prairie ecosystem. I like them.
>>2851135They're the only organization I've seen that has managed to get ranchers to allow public access to their ag land. To put it in perspective, the only other entity I've seen successfully separate ranchers from ag land, is the state. And only when it wins an eminent domain case.
>>2851134>REEEEEEEEEEE, why can't I tramp all over a delicate ecosystem to get the best shot for my insta?
>>2851134Your post is so retardedly consumerist it almost glows
>>2851166its not as if this is virgin landmost of it has been fully timbered before - it is pre-trodand most of these places allowed visitors to some extent before the Nature Conservancy bought the landI'm not trying to destroy anything, leave trash etc. I just want to be able to park legally and hike sunrise to sunset without weird restrictions.
>>2851169Its sounds like you can park and hike legally with no permission at the biggest one but you are a trail bitch.
>>2851241I gave multiple examples where that's not the case.
>>2851127Would you prefer the land to be bought by real estate developers?
>>2851656No, I think it should be owned by a private-public partnership and they should build way more fucking parking and fix the trails up. Put donation boxes everywhere. Put links (qr codes) to where you can donate online. Put ads up at the trailhead or even along the trail. But no gates, and you should be able to enter 1 hour before sunrise and leave 1 hour after sunset. The American obsession with making you be places at ultra specific hours even when they are outside drives me insane. Not that it matters, in this particular case you just aren't supposed to be on this land at all. And the funny part is the overlook itself IS on public land, but to get to it, you have to cross over nature conservancy land, so that's illegal. And they've never once thought HMM maybe we should amend this policy so people can access a beautiful 180 degree overlook that used to be accessible to the public and popular.
>>2851656Yes I want to own it. Obviously.
>>2851134All of that area is accessible if you have a gun, anon
I am pretty sure they only buy private land. All nature conservancy spots near me are nice as hell. Boo hoo you have to pay 5 dollars admission get a job. Would you rather it be a strip mall? shut up
>>2851818>Boo hoo you have to pay 5 dollars admissionI don't think Nature Conservancy spots ever charge money. Also, I think this was somehow privately owned but it was basically open to the public and in any event I think trespassing was pretty darn common 50 years ago. I mean, people were accessing this overlook in the early 2000s and before, but then NC buys the land, and issues some statement saying they will preserve access for hikers - nah - completely banned, closed to the public.
>>2851830>in any event I think trespassing was pretty darn common 50 years agoSo keep trespassing?Is the NC really gonna pursue it?
>>2852022>Is the NC really gonna pursue it?I am highly risk averse and don't want to end up in a jail in the south i feel like people somehow got extra-territorial the last 50 years and have no room for compromise
>>2851830What was the property?
>>2852025scott's gulf/caney fork tnhttps://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/bridgestone-nature-reserve-at-chestnut-mountain/
>>2852027you just make this thread or did you send them an email atleast semi politely asking why its restricted.
>>2852028Well, I sent the land manager of the adjacent WMA an email asking if a particular overlook could be accessed, and he said no, because you would have to cross Nature Conservancy land that's not open to the public. I suppose I could ask the Nature Conservancy why, but I have a feeling I am just going to get some terse, boilerplate answer about "habitat restoration".I wouldn't really care but it seems like there's a beautiful overlook with a 180 degree view https://www.flickr.com/photos/cavertim/3032533761/that people used to visit, but I can't even figure out WHERE it is, and I've dealt with Nature Conservancy before, and imho when they buy land they want the animals to enjoy it, they are anti-human for the most part. This gorge is one of the prettiest in TN, and it's my understanding there are multiple overlooks that have access issues but at one point may have been casually enjoyed by locals.
>>2852023>I am highly risk averse>I am a little bitchFtfyLook, mate, I don't mean to be rude but if you want to access some land and it's not someone's individual property or a family farm then just fucking do it. In the unlikely event that you run into someone who gives you grief then politely apologise, explain that you must've got turned around and fuck off.
>>2852034Its ok, be rude, this fat fuck fills this board with his whining and I'm tired of it
>>2851168This statement makes no sense. What does consumerism have to do with a glowie? Nothing. You dumb faggot.
>>2851657
They're called the Nature Conservancy, not the Recreation Conservancy you dingbat
>>2852027There is one trail open in the reserve. They will open it entirely to the public at some point and likely donate it to the State of TN. It was owned by Bridgestone tire company- would you rather have it as a corporate retreat and closed entirely to the public for ever? cuz that was their plan before the TNC convinced them otherwise. You should be applauding their restoration efforts rathert than whining like a bitch.its only 5000+ acres in an area with 70,000+ accessible acres...https://www.chattanoogan.com/2023/4/27/468154/TDEC-Nature-Conservancy-Open-Dry-Creek.aspx
>>2852107my understanding is it never was a corporate retreat, just a planned one, and it would only need to be a TINY fraction of the huge ass property just as an easement to let hikers through to see an overlookto be fair, the overlook may have other issues like terrain or a crappy trail but those could be fixed too if they cared >You should be applauding their restoration effortslolthere's multiple overlooks that seem totally inaccessible unless you trespassmultiple overlooks that are closed much of the winter (possibly, they don't even clearly list closure dates on their website - I can't figure it out), and one waterfall that used to have a road right to it but now is an arduous 9 mi trail with a lot of elevation gain such that they have a helipad on site for rescues but THAT trail is open 365 - though camping is by reservation only everything is so halfassed in america it drives me insane it could be so wonderful and easyclearly marked overlooks, roads leading as close as possible to them, clearing brush obstructing them, etc.
>>2852110>overlooks!!!1
>>2852111I like standing above gorges and looking down and having a clear view. Also, it's clear at least at one point most of these places were enjoyed by the public. I think access has declined in many cases over the past 100 years.
>>2852110>Place is saved from development forever>is open to the public with plans to open more access>still whinging about overlooks.you are insufferable.
>>2852110>clearly marked overlooks, roads leading as close as possible to themYou should head out west anon. Lots of overlooks out there.
>>2851132There's a reason for that.C O N S E R V A T I O NMany areas they bought were over used.By limiting access it allows flora and fauna to rebuild.
>>2851127>totally ban access to the public>the land is protected now!Yep.
>>2852140dang. thats nutty
>>2852142anon, almost the entirety of the eastern us was clear-cut loggedthe fungal balance has been permanently fucked up by taking the trees and then burning the soil (they left the twigs and sawdust which then caught fire)they could easily allow an easement and JUST let people through the areas that provide views - it is a huge parcel of land and you wouldn't need to go in most of it just to see this overlookthe nature conservancy is incompetent boomers, and anti-human, they preserve land for the animals to enjoy and for boomers to feel good about themselves for doing that
>>2852427you "wouldn't need to go in most of it" to spread pathogens and disease either. they are restricting access for a reason.>>2852142anon is right.enough with your entitled nigger bullshit.
Sounds pretty based. Some (most) places shouldn't be accessible. If you saw the state of the most popular trail by me you would agree. They would have to restore the soil and close that shit down for like 5 years just to let some vegetation grow back.
>>2851127OP is a retard. Nature conservancy has purchased, protected, and opened access to numerous amazing places in Michigan’s UP.
>>2851127I just wanna let you know buddy I saw these people on the street the other day and debated about accosting them on behalf of an autist on this image board. Your propaganda is working
>>2851657Jfc. This ass blasted dumb bitch wants to put ads up along hiking trails. Can we just delete this stupid fucking thread and move on? OP is clearly not of sound mind and he does not deserve a platform to babble his unfounded nonsense.
>>2851127>muh parkingjust walk nigga or ride a bike you lazy cunt
